[eweissenbach]

I can't answer your question, but it reminded me of a time years ago, when we went to a dealership to look at used cars for my son. I told the salesperson what I wanted, in general, and that I would pay a maximum of $5000. He took us to a Toyota corolla and asked my son if he would like to drive it? I asked how much they were asking for it and he said the asking price was $7500. I said "either you weren't listening to me, or your prices are so ridiculously inflated that you could sell a car for 2/3 what you are asking; either way I don't want to do business with you". We got in my car, went across the street to a Saturn dealer who had no-haggle pricing policy and bought a used Buick Skyhawk within minutes. Some of these car sales operations don't deserve to stay in business.