Ron, i have gone over every post on this thread and cannot find out what your ka ka or do do dilemma is all about! sounds like there's a story there!! i happen to know that our miss kitty is doing a good deed for another friend who needed a ride to the ER! it really is good to have friends when you need them! it is good to see the happy repartee among the newbies here. can't wait for the do do story!