[BobnBev]

Originally Posted by Bucco

I try to respond to anything addressed to me, whether good or bad, whether I am correct or not and thus will try here. I wish you did the same, as you seem to exclude things from your responses and simply pick and choose which is your right, but a message board is for sharing thoughts and I enjoy reading everyones. I actually witnessed first hand the solicitation of young men to join in learning how to beat the system in Tampa....how to defraud the IRS and never ever worry about working.

I looked up NO stats before thus will accept what you say....and I am sure now you can say you told me so, but I still believe your posting this is either just to show how smart you are or some sort of okay for the punks who do stuff like this....I dont know and actually dont care.

I still feel the same way about what is happening in this country. We (well not all we) seem to come up with an excuse and it IS and excuse about poverty,etc as some sort of excuse for these things.....obviously, that is a factor but we in this country are never going to have a dialogue as long as we excuse adults for their killing by discussing their bank account or lack of.

I will not bore you with my stats on poverty....I mean what I lived through...I am sure you do not care......but never...ever would I think of that as an excuse for anything. Poverty is what you and others bring up always, but the breakdown in the family (but then again, you might say that is not fair..they are this or that) is another reason. A problem never to be solved until we face it without all the reasons and just look for solutions.

Sorry for the lecture and thanks again for the crime stats.

To try and stay on the thread.....I, certainly, and I do not think that society should feel guilty about punks like these.....I,and I do not think society caused whatever their problems are. I am not sure what you think did but would like to hear...you obviously think poverty was one major reason and do not because also in Tampa, I saw many very poor families that had strong bonds and ties and made sure the kids had discipline and stressed education and working to them...and they were doing pretty good (I can PM someday and tell you of the black guy who made it to Tampa Tech ON HIS OWN (private school) and has a great future.....great family he had...poorer than you can ever imagine.

Anyway, disagreeing is fine...I no longer intend to blame crimes like this on society and political things.

BRAVO!!! BRAVO!!!