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Originally Posted by BarryRX
While I agree with you on certain points, namely that there have been unintended consequences of affirmative action (AA). Those consequences may be a sense of entitlement by those on the receiving end of "AA" or it may also be a sense of shame (do I deserve this job or did I just get it so the diversity numbers look ok to the EEOC). However, the point I was trying to make was to disagree with Pat Buchanan when he says that white people are the only ones it is legal to discriminate against. What I was trying to say, and perhaps said poorly, is that AA has been an effective (if imperfect) tool to try and correct hundreds of years of injustices. That is not the same as discriminating against the Caucasian race, though there is no doubt that individuals have suffered. Now, just because I feel that it has outlived its usefulness does not mean it has. Its just my opinion from how I view the world. I am sure that there are black people out there that still believe we are a racist society. That's just how they see it from the viewpoint of their life experiences. I have not seen anything one way or the other that validates that we still need AA or validates that we don't need it. I just have my opinion, just as you have yours. I think to validate it, we would have to agree on some measurement to gauge it's effectiveness. Perhaps the growth of a black middle class or median income or something else that I am not smart enough to think of.
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We are still not far away from each other.
Buchanan's comment to me was sarcasm.....I do not believe, or at least I dont think, he meant them seriously and to the letter.
I think, and this is based on my minimum exposure that most black people think we live in a racist society...no doubt about that. And maybe they are right...however....
And this is also to please the moderator
but needed...
The entire point was that as long as race is politicized as it is, and boy is it we will NEVER have a real conversation about race....we find it impossible without getting into politics, etc. I still think as long as we go on like this, white people will feel guilty and blacks will feel wronged and it doesnt matter who is correct.
Maybe I am looking for idealistic things but I know that it will TAKE MUCH TIME.....and the more we play these political games the longer it will take.
Saw Mayor Nutter of Philadelphia with the Mayor of New Orleans yesterday and they have started an organization....and I cannot remember the name....but they both seemed to agree (Nutter is black and New Orleans mayor is white) that FIRST....FIRST stop the violence before even discussing race.
It is tough.....I sill believe politics has insured how long this animosity continues...I sill believe that in my heart.