No one.....absolutely no one....knows how many illegals are in this country. If you see any figures presented...by anyone...interest groups, Congress etc.....it's simply a guess. But I can tell you, having seen with my own eyes...while working on a projects in El Paso and Del Rio, TX...hundreds....hundreds...of illegals walking....chit-chatting with each other.....some nodding hello to me....as they crossed the border....no fences to climb there folks....and no Border Patrol in sight. And that was in 1996. Hmmmm, 12MM illegals.....sure...I believe that....in TX, NM and CA alone....you bet. Adding-in the rest of the U.S.....I can't imagine. But, 30MM is certainly believable to me. The borders south and north are sieves and a serious security risk. We got figure out a way to secure the borders that is both practical and cost effective and then figure out what to do with those that are already here.