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Originally Posted by kittygilchrist
I wonder what will happen to Snowden now?
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He should be welcomed home as a hero...
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Originally Posted by Cisco Kid
This ruling will merely be ignored.
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Yes, I agree, they'll make a lot of speeches about how they'll "change this or that" which will amount to "sound and fury signifying nothing". Nothing of significance will change...in fact, the changes will probably be MORE invasive than before.
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Originally Posted by Bucco
Not sure if your intent is to discuss Snowden or the NSA program. I assume from your phrase "privacy invasion" that you oppose the program.
I support the program under the assumptions we have in place the proper oversight.
The world has changed....I said in the thread on China landing on the moon, we are allowing eroding in this country, and in this case in the name of privacy. The judge said in his ruling, and I am paraphrasing, that he saw no evidence of a plot foiled. I see no evidence of someone innocent being harmed, and in an age that is based on electronic everything, I....just me..am not prepared to allow my country to allow anyone to keep pecking at our structure until we are not even viable.
I recall the freedoms we gave up during WW2 to insure the maintenance of our country, and have a real problem understanding anyone who does not put their country first.
I think this is a necessary program....only change would be a bit more transparent concerning our oversight.
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Proper oversight? By whom?
How would you like "some guy" watching, listening to everything you do? That's basically what's happening now. Everywhere we go, we're recorded, all conversations and emails and even these posts, are recorded.
We started giving up freedoms a long long time ago. The Civil War took a bunch, WWI and II more, every time "something" happens, we lose more. There's always going to be "something" happening. You can't achieve complete security...never...
Put the "country" first? Really? I don't see that happening by our "leaders", they put their sponsors first...always. What IS "our country" anyway? It's not the government. Put the people first? Spying on their every communication isn't putting them first.
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Originally Posted by kittygilchrist
My intent was to find out what people think about another fine mess in the USA...
Here's what the judge said:
“I cannot imagine a more ‘indiscriminate’ and ‘arbitrary invasion’ than this systematic and high tech collection and retention of personal data on virtually every single citizen for purposes of querying and analyzing it without prior judicial approval,” said Leon, a judge on the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia. “Surely, such a program infringes on ‘that degree of privacy’ that the founders enshrined in the Fourth Amendment.” (Washington post)
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The USA has become a stinking heap of messes...brought to us by "our leaders". They have NO right to spy and listen to us. They collect EVERYTHING.
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Originally Posted by Taltarzac725
It seems like a necessary invasion of privacy to prevent more attacks like 9/11 and the like. The Founding Fathers never envisioned planes flying into skyscrapers, the Internet, phone services, men in space, and many many other things.
It should be ignored IMHO.
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Oh yes...9-11, the catch all for anything they want to do.
They keep you in fear, so they can get your permission to "protect" you.
Is "freedom", "privacy" an archaic notion? Something we can't have any more? That's the impression I get from your post.
This entire program is so wrong on so many levels and we wouldn't know anything about it if Snowden didn't talk about it.