This thread is illustrative of a number of things.
First like politicians people of differing philosophies will seldom agree and if there on the fringe of said philosophy they will never agree.
Secondly , by its very nature, it is an easier argument to mouth all or nothing and to otherwise berate people of belief .
Third some people are still afraid of Christians because of the commitment it requires.
Fourth: non-believers argue not separation of church and state but destruction of the Christian religion and perhaps with some, all religion. Those pseudo-intellectuals feel superior to believers but in my humble view intellectualize themselves into irrelevance and betray themselves as did
Madalyn O' Hair who demonstrated her bitterness and hatred for Christians
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