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Originally Posted by onslowe
Gee Whillikers! I can't find my original 2100 year old copy of the 'Palestine Post' with the headline "Tomb Vacant! Centurions Stumped!" Guess mom threw it out with my '50's baseball player cards. Gee, no sense in arguing anymore, I can't play 'show and tell!'
No reason to bring up the Dead Sea Scrolls, and the Son of God scroll in particular. Probably written by 'religious people' and we all know about them.
I'll just forget about this thread and curl up with a good ol' Dan Brown book. He tells it like it really is, by gum.
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You'd think that SOMEONE would deem it important enough to document... The people involved perhaps? You'd think they'd find SOMEONE to write some of this down...if nothing else to insure they didn't forget anything. After all, it's God talking, you should write it down.. I certainly would.
If you're going to base your entire life on something, I'd expect you'd want more than someones "word". Or is that just the skeptic in me?
The scrolls are Jewish and say NOTHING about Jesus. So why bring them up?
I just want you to know something about what you believe so fervently in. What you THINK you know isn't necessarily so. You owe it to yourself to be informed if you're going to give so much of yourself to something. I'm not trying to drive you from your faith but I do want you to know the other side of what you're told. There's a lot of misinformation spread around out there...
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Originally Posted by rubicon
This thread is illustrative of a number of things.
First like politicians people of differing philosophies will seldom agree and if there on the fringe of said philosophy they will never agree.
Secondly , by its very nature, it is an easier argument to mouth all or nothing and to otherwise berate people of belief .
Third some people are still afraid of Christians because of the commitment it requires.
Fourth: non-believers argue not separation of church and state but destruction of the Christian religion and perhaps with some, all religion. Those pseudo-intellectuals feel superior to believers but in my humble view intellectualize themselves into irrelevance and betray themselves as did
Madalyn O' Hair who demonstrated her bitterness and hatred for Christians
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There are Christians, they believe THEY are the ONLY way to heavenly bliss, everyone else is wrong and "will see" when judgement comes. There are Muslims, they believe THEY are the ONLY way to heavenly bliss, everyone else is wrong and "will see" when judgement comes. There are Jews, they believe THEY are the ONLY way to heavenly bliss, everyone else is wrong and "will see" when judgement comes. There are Hindi who believe THEY are the only way to nirvana. There are Buddhists who believe They have the only answers. Pagans have their thoughts. Wiccans, Spiritualists, Native Americans, even Atheists...ALL believe only they KNOW. The trouble is...only one is correct.
We may never agree but did you give the other side a chance?
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Originally Posted by graciegirl
Boy Howdy and love to Rubicon and Onslowe who can keep their humor and patience. When I grow up I want to be just like them.
Blessings too.
And I can't help being myself, questioning, hoping, watching and hopefully learning. And yes praying because most of the time, I believe.
Please close this thread. It is very disturbing and ugly to me and I imagine to the majority of readers. This did not begin as a question of the separation of Church and State. It began as a question of whether the end justified the means in this issue of folks from another part of the country coming to the Bible belt and stirring things up, I believe maliciously.
I don't have a problem with the separation of Church and State. I have a huge problem with viciousness and meanness for no good reason.
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Who is being vicious?
If a discussion "is very disturbing and ugly to me" then why don't you simply not click on it? Have the willpower to just move on never reading it again...just pass it by. Is censorship or banning a discussion you're personally "uncomfortable with" the answer? Really? NOT discussing important issues is why things are the way they are.