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Originally Posted by DAWN MARIE
Well I'm certainly not going to argue or debate with you Don. You've got your mind made up. Not much I'm going to do about that.
One thing I do know...is truth always prevails. It's like cream. It will always come to the top eventually. keep searching.
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Whom has their "mind made up"? I'm just telling you what "I" have found in my studies. I wondered for years..."what am I missing? Why does everyone else believe?" I've found through MY study that I'm missing nothing. Truth always rises to the top? Really? Where? The world is full of lies. Institutional lies go on forever...
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Originally Posted by Carl in Tampa
Alas, Don dismisses all scholarship and evidence that does not conform to his prejudices.
He chooses to ignore all writings by the church fathers who were of the generation following the Apostles and who received their instruction from the Apostles, who were eyewitnesses to the acts, miracles, death and resurrection of Jesus. These include Clement of Rome, Ignatius of Antioch and Polycarp of Smyrna.
Don is more intent on winning an argument than on seeking truth.
He also made a remark comparing the authenticity of Apostolic writings to someone today writing about someone from the 60s. When I point out how many people have recently written about Jack Kennedy he attempts to obfuscate by getting into conspiracy theories about the assassination. The assassination is irrelevant to the fact that many people who knew Kennedy well have written histories about his life, just as people who knew Jesus have written about Jesus.
"And as for those who do not receive you, as you go out from that city, shake the dust off your feet as a testimony against them.”
Luke 9:5
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No, I've dismissed "scholorship" done by those with "skin in the game". I've looked to those outside the religion for other answers. More honest answers.
Can you deny anything I've said? DID Josephus write more than that one little paragraph "about Jesus"? No. Are there any other writings by people OUTSIDE Christianity about Jesus? No. If you have something FROM THAT TIME, show me. Most scholors say the people named as the writers of the books...Mark, John, Mathew, etc. were NOT the ones who actually wrote them. Though your "Christian bible scholor" won't admit it.
Show me the Roman records of the trial of Jesus. Show me the record of his crucifiction. Show me anything written about him by someone other than a follower.
You keep bringing up Kennedy...why? Kennedy was the president, of course people wrote about him. Why didn't all kinds of people write about Jesus if he was so important at the time?
I have QUESTIONS not answers. I'm just stating what isn't true about what you are saying. You people have all the answers, you peoplea are SURE about what you believe. My question is why? There's nothing to bac it up except things written WELL after the fact by people with an interest in promoting what THEY say.
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Originally Posted by Parker
I love debate. It is so informative, on a variety of levels. Keep it going, politely please.
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I'm trying...I'm trying.
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Originally Posted by tucson
And Proverbs 18:2 tell us that, "Fools have no interest in understanding; they only want to air their own opinions".......
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Actually, "fools" have no opinion of their own and rely on others to tell them what to think...