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Originally Posted by rubicon
Hi dillywho: Let me preface my remarks by explaining that to me to suggest that if someone doesn't like it they should move is not a cogent argument, its an emotional reaction. Secondly, I am perplex by people who seem to defend the reputation of the Developer. Now going down your list:
1) do we have a retirement community or has it turned into a vacation destination?
2) As to its history you would have to apply the "What did they know"and "when did they know it". so it depends on when someone moved here and what transpired before they arrived?
3) you don't see a problem with the Developer paying the check for the one person who has the responsibility for protecting our interest? I mean you don't see this as a "conflict of interests"?
4) I strongly suggest that you read the Notice of Proposed Issue #1, #2, #3 filed by the IRS .
5) The ACC was a result of the Amenity settlement that was suppose to give residents freedom to decide on how to spend amenities. Janet Tutt and others aligned with the developer sit on that council. I am not saying it is right or wrong, in fact I believe some of the decision coming from the ACC are not well thought out. But I won't manage from beneath because I do not know what they are dealing with
6) This lawsuit was settled but why was it sealed and why didn't the residents north of 466 have an opportunity to hear the proposals before they settled. It was styled a class action and residents were told the suit was going to be settled and if they want to opt out they had to file on their own behalf. Did the plaintiff lawyers settle this suit too quickly? Ask yourself why would the developer make an offer only after 15 months? As to precedent how can we ever have one because the settlement was settled for that reason among others. Had the plaintiffs in this case made it more difficult for the POA or residents in the future t bring suit against the Developer? We simply don't know
7) You know my feeling about telling people to move. What are we not getting. I suggest residents begin with understanding the financial statements and follow through with daily transactions. I mean we don't know what we don't know.
I have a good feeling about Janet Tutt but business is business and far too many residents ignore the business goings on here
Personal Best Regards
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First, let me say thank you for taking the time to respond to my post. Let's get one thing out of the way first. Please read my post again because I stated that I am not telling anyone to leave. Quite the contrary. I merely asked why someone would stay if they were so unhappy, dissatisfied, and bothered by what they signed on for. Some, if not most, of the issues that have been brought out are old and general knowledge, so do people not do any research beforehand? There are no bones made about how The Villages operates.
What I'm about to say is and isn't along the same lines, so please don't be offended. I am noticing more and more that people are moving here and then immediately want to start changing things to what "they are accustomed to back home". They don't like this, they don't like that, etc. Once again, do they not check it out first? Everything is not about what I like/don't like, you like/don't like, etc. That's why there is so much here....something for everyone. We knew when we moved here that there are no fences, no hedges above a certain height allowed, pet limits, etc., and accepted it.
Don't know who remembers, but Sumter One came about because our county taxes were being used everywhere in the county but here, because there was no representation for our part of the county. I don't see that being the case with the Developer because we do benefit from our own monies and always have. Maybe not like some would prefer, but we do reap the benefits.
I agree with your question about whether this is still a retirement community or more a vacation destination. I have seen it evolving since I've been here into more of a vacation spot for people who have no family or friends here. I don't like that. Maybe the hope is that they will like it and move here, but I don't really see that happening because so many are young families.
This is already too long, but as to the lawsuit, I agree with a lot of what you were saying about the lack of transparency. I don't agree with some getting personal settlements, either. I don't agree with some of the decisions made by the "Board (AAC)", but some good has come out of all of it. They were not refused by the Developer to do anything about the cart paths, but patches only were in the offing. Once the AAC was established, new paths were constructed. Much better.
As for the IRS, if their case were as strong as they would have others believe, it would not still be a lingering issue. This is only the 3rd or 4th time for this fight.
Thanks again for engaging me. We may not see completely eye-to-eye, but you and I both have some valid points. I do love discussions.