It is great to have a real good discussion on a subject in TOTV's with few "attempts to be funny or nasty". Joerocker I pretty much agree with your note. In another case one would suggest that to read a book by Schermer may indicate the person is "anti religion" let me assure I am not. When I was in College I was an assistant pastor at a church to help pay my way through school. Of course I am no longer near being a Pastor but I do believe in religion and although I am not sure mine is the absolute "truth" it is good enough to have me have some basis for good living. Again thanks for the intelligent and meaningful dialoge.