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Old 08-10-2014, 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Suzi View Post
I have been concerned enough for the last week or so, that I decided that I would learn as much as possible. First I began going over the histories of WWII, Korea and the Vietnam conflicts - what started it all, what provoked us to enter the conflicts and then the outcomes. Then I superficially went over the wars about religion throughout mankind - like the Romans, as an example. I tried to catorgise them into "original " instigators, who else entered the conflicts and why and outcomes and unintended consequences. I'm still working this out in my head but the picture is getting clearer. The posts that many have provided have helped greatly in my understanding. Each poster has come forth with an opinion based on life experiences and those are very valuable to contribute. If you have been in the armed services, you contribute concerns to national defense. Many who are Christians have empathy for the defenseless copts.
Their concerns are based on passivisivim and "we should all get along and tolerate each others differences". Intelectuals are of the opinion that we can "think" our way out of this, a peaceful discourse if you will. People with wealth and power think war is an opportunity to gain more of the same. Politicians don't say too much for fear it could reflect on their re-election. The media is there for every sound byte and depending on the party they are affilated with, will slant the news their direction. Whats really good for us as a country is illusive. Not that anything I may finally believe will have any bearing on what our government may or may not do, I should have some opinions formed soon. I feel myself beginning to lean in a direction that is a bit uncomfortable for me. So, I'm entering new territory for thought. Everyones posts have been very thought provoking. Real interest from very learnned people who have shared their life experiences and opinions. I am beginning to think that there may be only one answer - and if thats the case, we better make sure its for the right reasons and not look back - not second guess our choice and just suffer the consequences. But the American people will need to be dealt with honestly. We all will need "frank" answers to our questions. No boloney about PC, no dancing about important issues or special agreements, contracts, and money to prop-up other entities. NO MORE muslim immigration. And our allies need to be on board or they can consider themselves off the Christmas list. We have become so wishy-washy, so PC that we aren't even allowed to call our enemies our enemies. Thats whats "hogwash". Call it what it is and then do something about it until its done. AND THEN KEEP OUR NOSE OUT OF OTHER COUNTRIES BUSINESS.

Good post. You covered most of the bases in your investigation. I might offer a few things that, in my opinion, color or change the hue at least of some of the insights based on history.

We now live in a very small world. Of course the actual size isnt changed but the speed of travel and communications has made us all very close to the entire world. Thus, a threat during the time of Korea, WW2, Vietnam or back when the old religious wars were being fought is multiplied by hundreds and in my opinion cannot be compared.

Next, we have the threat of weapons beyond comparison. IF in fact, ISIS, for example is as vicious as they appear and if they , in fact, are determined, as they say, to wave their flag over our WH, do we not think they will work toward obtaining nuclear weapons of other weapons that can destroy so very many people suddenly ? Of course they are and if you look around the region at who lurks there.....people and actual governments who are sworn to destroy us and whomever our allies might be.

Now add our very porous border, especially in the southwest. There are reports of folks being stopped trying to enter this country posing as Central Americans but actually being from the middle east. Most have been stopped, but the word MOST bothers me.

NOBODY, not just the one who say it because it is politically correct, but NOBODY wants to kill other human beings...NOBODY wants others to suffer.
EXCEPT, it seems those who daily make threats to do such things and are actually succeeding. I have watched in great horror at what has happened in Syria....children literally gunned down in the streets and nobody has done anything to my knowledge. THAT was and is a humanatarian crisis before this one.

I applaud the President for getting involved and I hope it has an "end game" not founded on any political gain or public opinion poll. Those public opinion polls will change faster than a heartbeat with JUST ONE action in our borders.


Just adding this from today's USA TODAY....

"The Islamic State is metastasizing much the same way al Qaeda did, but on an accelerated timeline. Bin Laden's network grew in the 1990s by recruiting foreign fighters who had battled the Red Army in Afghanistan in the 1980s. The Islamic State has developed its own deep bench of transnational terror talent, recruiting from countries throughout the Middle East, Europe, and even the United States. Franchises are reportedly opening in Libya and Tunisia. The North African terror conglomerate Al-Qaeda in the Islamic Maghreb (AQIM) has aligned with IS. Nigerian Boko Haram leader Abubakar Shekau has sworn allegiance to al-Baghdadi, as has Abu Sayaaf leader Isnilon Hapilon in the Philippines. The Islamic State currently controls more fighters, more territory, and has a vaster alliance system than al-Qaeda ever did."


http://www.usatoday.com/story/opinio...lumn/13622585/

Not quite the JV team we thought !!