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Originally Posted by KeepingItReal
If you are saying that the Bible is not true and any pope would agree with Hawkins that there is no God then things are worse than previously thought. I do not believe any denomination should be dabbling in such things, science cannot ever explain or replace required faith to find and serve God. So many have wavered on doctrine trying to adjust to current situations but God has not and does not change. The pope then and now are just mortal men and have the same limitations and problems as any other man. They live and die just like the rest. I am not Catholic and will take my personal experience and the written word of King David, King Solomon, Moses, and the apostles inspired of God. No one needs another to intercede with God for them. We pray directly to God and we receive our answers the same way. God called preachers to preach the gospel to the lost and when they are convicted of the sin of unbelief it is between them and God from that point. Others can pray for them but they have to find him on their own.
Hawkins can believe whatever he wants as I cannot and would not try to force anything I believe upon anyone but I will explain why I believe as I do. I will not sit by and let his opinion be perceived as fact at least not for me.
Hawkins has made an ill informed statement which he cannot prove that basically nullifies anyones belief in God and this was wrong. He may believe what he says but he has no proof and has no right to say this. He can say he believes it all he wants. It is hard to understand why the Vatican would associate with anyone so vile they would make such a statement.
Hawkins should have better spent his time trying to find a cure for his own ailment which would have benefitted many others. This would have required real research that could have been proven and carried a risk of failure rather than indulging in just his speculations which cannot be proven.
Psalms 14:1
King James Version of Psalms 14:1.
The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God. They are corrupt, they have done abominable works, there is none that doeth good.
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Keeping It Real:
Now here is where I get lost. The pope is mortal and just like any other man can have the same limitations and problems. I assume because preachers, rabbis inman are also mortal they have limitations and problems like any other man? And if they are mortal and can error then from the very first man who by worth of mouth passed down stories of the bible (Torah) (Koran) to other men who eventually recorded them can they too be in error? Those believers base the accuracy of the bible on faith that the bible is inspired by God and directed by God to be an accounting of his works and deeds and that of his instruction on man must live.
Likewise science is based on faith that a theory can be proven and that when proven it supports a scientist position but science is never settled and new discoveries only destroy old beliefs
Faith is internal its a stirring, a craving within us and based on our philosophical and psychological profiles carries us to our pre-determined genetic destinations. That is why some people are Catholics, some Jews some Morons, some prefer silent prayer while others prefer shouting out the gospel in song, some bow to the east.
It is all very complicated and so I continue to read, to listen and to analysis what clergy, scientist believers non-believers have to say but I keep coming back to that same point we are all mortal men and we error