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Originally Posted by Rags123

OK....AS an attorney you probably like to have structured discussions, as do I.

Thus, let me begin by quoting YOU...

"People behave differently when their survival is on the line. Very few Americans can really comprehend that unless they have been in a combat zone. I have never been in a combat zone but did volunteer with Veterans of Foreign Wars Hospital for a year of weekends in 1977-1978 so I did get a first hand look at the long term effects of combat in people in their 90s but also much younger.

The very violent actions of Muslims like those in ISIS usually come from combat zones. I personally do not know what I would do when presented with such a situation. I doubt if few really do unless they have had extensive military training to deal with the fear, stress, and deprivations."

Now that is exactly what YOU typed. To me, that sounds like you are making excuses for folks who have had those horrific experiences. To me, that sounded like, assuming you were discussing any anti Muslim feelings, a REASON for their actions.

I can find no reason and all I said was that other folks, many many many, have had the same experiences and NOT become violent.

Now, I did not put those words in your mouth, nor that position. Those are YOUR words taken from YOUR post. If I misread them, feel free to correct me and explain what I did misread.

I made NO generalizations about Muslims at any time in my post. I simply said that the reasons you cited are NO EXCUSE. NONE. Not for killing other people.

To me, when you offer an excuse for folks as you did, that is not exactly supporting terrorists...I agree. However, we are discussing cold blooded killers and I can find NO excuse, reason or whatever for that kind of behavior. I DID serve in a war zone and still feel this way.

Now, I really take offense to your comment about "playing dirty" and hope you will explain that. I am working with your comments only....and not sure what you mean by "you people". Of what group do you put me in ? That might also need a bit of an explanation.

Please reply. I do not "play dirty".....I am not part of a "people" organization...I simply tried to make a point that NO MATTER THE ENVIRONMENT, THEY ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THEIR ACTIONS. And that many others have been in the same environment.

To me, these people have no REASON, EXCUSE, JUSTIFICATION, DEFENSE for killing other people. To me it is that simple. Perhaps in your legal mind, you just automatically find some defense for any behavior. I, right or wrong, do not think that way when it comes to killing other people in an affirmative way. I added the affirmative way so it is not turned around on me about self defense, etc.

If you seek to kill other people in an agressive manner, there are no excuses. Especially considering the who and how in this case.

Do people grow up in a environment that is scary and frightening and conducive to bad behavior....yes, and many overcome and certainly would rather be killed for not killing than to kill.

That is not exactly what I typed. You left out a few sentences.

What I was saying was that the fear many have is about actions by ISIS who are people for the most part in combat zones.

There have been many generalizations on this thread about all Muslims acting in such a manner as those who do atrocious things in war time settings. Some Muslim in the Villages is not acting or thinking along the same line as Muslim extremists who are in war zones. They are probably thinking about prayers, their kids and parents, work, their pets, shopping, football games, etc. and hardly contemplate the actions of ISIS in Syria unless they are reading the paper or looking at the TV set. I will bet that many of these Muslims are appalled by what is going on in the name of Muslims as committed by the fiends in ISIS.

What I had written was about the Middle East and Muslims in war zones --

I have said nothing about my politics towards the Middle East. There is definitely a quickness on the part of Muslims in the Middle East to go to violence to make points but we are not talking about that really but about some guy who beheaded a woman in Oklahoma who had converted to Islam in prison probably to survive in a gang culture where belonging to a group keeps you from being raped. Or, raped less. I did represent prisoners at the Minnesota Correctional Facility in Stillwater for 18 months or so as a Student Attorney at the University of Minnesota Law School.

People behave differently when their survival is on the line. Very few Americans can really comprehend that unless they have been in a combat zone. I have never been in a combat zone but did volunteer with Veterans of Foreign Wars Hospital for a year of weekends in 1977-1978 so I did get a first hand look at the long term effects of combat in people in their 90s but also much younger.

The very violent actions of Muslims like those in ISIS usually come from combat zones. I personally do not know what I would do when presented with such a situation. I doubt if few really do unless they have had extensive military training to deal with the fear, stress, and deprivations.