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bcsnave 08-16-2023 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Annie66 (Post 2245971)
Hmmmmm. This one got off track real fast. The question was: does anyone know the cause of the fire? It was a simple yes or no.
NO..I do not

bcsnave 08-16-2023 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by pokeefe45@aol.com (Post 2245943)
I'm thinking about putting a second ice box in the garage-anyone selling one?
Also-Read the article below (there are dozens of them from all spectrums of news organizations). I'm working on a patent for a gas powered Iphone. Will let everyone know when I get it.
Child labour behind smart phone and electric car batteries.

Can I get in on the IPO?

dtennent 08-16-2023 09:18 AM
I am guessing the person driving the cart was reading TOTV on their phone with all of the flame wars about electric vs. gas vehicles. The phone erupted in flames and they dropped the phone. The cart caught on fire and the rest is history.

Bill14564 08-16-2023 09:30 AM
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Originally Posted by Bilyclub (Post 2246122)
I see a drivetrain and an axle ? Where's a muffler. Yamaha's exhaust is a lot of plastic that goes out the bottom.
If you see a drivetrain then I'm pretty sure you see a gas cart. Electric carts have no drivetrain, the electric motor is attached to the rear end at the axle itself.

I can't make out either an engine or an electric motor in this picture. One of the two has to be there.

UpNorth 08-16-2023 10:28 AM
Back in the day, we used to argue Ford vs Chevy. Today it's Gas vs Electric.

Rzepecki 08-16-2023 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2245574)
Why does this Gas vs Electric nonsense continue in The Villages?

Gas golf carts are legacy products and you probably won't be able to buy a new one, in another 3 or 4 years.

Electric Golf Carts have an 82% Market Share in the USA and a 64% Global Market Share.

They are demonstrably cleaner, more efficient, more convenient, need less maintenance, quieter and more comfortable. Gas carts have been banned by most so-called "golf cart communities" around the country.

Defending, advocating and even using a gasoline power golf cart, is no different than saying you have no use for a refrigerator, because your Ice Box works perfectly fine. Gasoline carts are dinosaurs and no amount desk pounding is going to change that.
We’ll, that’s one opinion.

TonyM 08-16-2023 01:03 PM
Just to clarify
 
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2245638)
So 40% of the electricity that goes into my cart was produced by renewables or nuclear. (or is it a 40% chance?) and only 60% might come from fossil fuels. What percentage of the fuel for the gas carts come from fossil fuels?

Additionally, my fuel cost per mile with the electric cart is about $0.01 while the fuel cost per mile for the gas is $0.07. Given the large difference, there must be a large gain in efficiency in either burning fossil fuels to generate electricity or in using electricity to power the cart. Either way, I seem to use significantly less oil with the electric cart, even considering the oil used for generation.
Are you considering the cost of replacing the batteries in your calculations?

Bill14564 08-16-2023 01:10 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyM (Post 2246249)
Are you considering the cost of replacing the batteries in your calculations?
Clearly, my calculations concern fossil fuel usage. You already know the answer to your question.

But just as clearly, you are trying to make a point. No, I didn't consider the cost replacing the batteries just as I didn't consider the cost of rebuilding/repairing the gasoline engine. With all the moving parts, the engine rebuild/repair is more likely than the need for new batteries.

While I have seen golf carts advertised that are 15 years old, I suspect I will be replacing both of mine before that. With a ten year (or maybe 8 year) warranty on the batteries, they ought to last as long as the cart does.

The only reason I might replace the batteries is if new technology comes out that doubles the range. I might upgrade to something like that if it becomes available.

Bilyclub 08-16-2023 01:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2246154)
If you see a drivetrain then I'm pretty sure you see a gas cart. Electric carts have no drivetrain, the electric motor is attached to the rear end at the axle itself.

I can't make out either an engine or an electric motor in this picture. One of the two has to be there.
I've never been under an electric cart, but that blackened round thing could be a electric motor.

bcsnave 08-16-2023 01:20 PM
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Clearly, my calculations concern fossil fuel usage. You already know the answer to your question.

But just as clearly, you are trying to make a point. No, I didn't consider the cost replacing the batteries just as I didn't consider the cost of rebuilding/repairing the gasoline engine. With all the moving parts, the engine rebuild/repair is more likely than the need for new batteries.

While I have seen golf carts advertised that are 15 years old, I suspect I will be replacing both of mine before that. With a ten year (or maybe 8 year) warranty on the batteries, they ought to last as long as the cart does.

The only reason I might replace the batteries is if new technology comes out that doubles the range. I might upgrade to something like that if it becomes available.
Batteries...batteries...good for the environment...

Bill14564 08-16-2023 02:12 PM
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Originally Posted by bcsnave (Post 2246257)
Batteries...batteries...good for the environment...
Looks like a stack of lead-acid batteries. The kind that is used alongside a gasoline engine and needs to be replaced every five years or so.

bcsnave 08-16-2023 02:33 PM
FORE! Improper charging of golf carts can lead to fumes and fire
 
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FORE! Improper charging of golf carts can lead to fumes and fire | NFPA

And hey .....these folks chose electric, in life we have choices

Topspinmo 08-16-2023 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by RichR. (Post 2245956)
:1rotfl: Because gas don't burn!

Normally is use for combustion. Electricity don’t burn either it combusts then burns.

Topspinmo 08-16-2023 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2246281)
Looks like a stack of lead-acid batteries. The kind that is used alongside a gasoline engine and needs to be replaced every five years or so.

So you’re saying lithium ion better for environment. How do we know that. Lead acid batteries can be recycled some, byproduct disaster for the environment.

Topspinmo 08-16-2023 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2246252)
Clearly, my calculations concern fossil fuel usage. You already know the answer to your question.

But just as clearly, you are trying to make a point. No, I didn't consider the cost replacing the batteries just as I didn't consider the cost of rebuilding/repairing the gasoline engine. With all the moving parts, the engine rebuild/repair is more likely than the need for new batteries.

While I have seen golf carts advertised that are 15 years old, I suspect I will be replacing both of mine before that. With a ten year (or maybe 8 year) warranty on the batteries, they ought to last as long as the cart does.

The only reason I might replace the batteries is if new technology comes out that doubles the range. I might upgrade to something like that if it becomes available.

I have never worn out gasoline engine in anything I’ve owned, but I know where the dipstick is and know when to change oil. On the other hand I’ve replace lots of batteries over the years. I had to buy lithium Ion for tools, they only have so many recharges in them before the loose volts.


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