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Happy Snowbird 01-26-2024 09:18 AM

Why wouldn't you want seatbelts in a vehicle with basically no protection? Our golf carts don't move until everyone is buckled. Read the accidents where occupant(s) are thrown out.

Indydealmaker 01-26-2024 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 2294448)
Traffic laws are ONLY enforceable for golf cart lanes that are a physical part of the public roadways but the stop signs & speed limits in store parking lots, HOA’s and private property like the MMP's are not legally enforceable pursuant to Florida Statute 316.006. This was confirmed to me by a Captain of the Wildwood Police Department who stated, "The Wildwood Police Department does not have enforcement for traffic on the multi-modal paths, which are strictly on the Village's property."
Therefore, traffic laws including stop signs, speed limits, & seat belt laws, on the multi-modal paths are not enforceable.

Important to note that street legal carts are not allowed on multi-modal paths. So, a mute point. But, for golf carts, a multi-modal cannot generally be reached without use of public roads. So, speed capability will be enforceable.

Bill14564 01-26-2024 09:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 2294950)
Important to note that street legal carts are not allowed on multi-modal paths. So, a mute point. But, for golf carts, a multi-modal cannot generally be reached without use of public roads. So, speed capability will be enforceable.

Where did you get that idea?

Indydealmaker 01-26-2024 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2294953)
Where did you get that idea?

Street legals are legally Low Speed Vehicles. Vehicles are not allowed on multi-modal paths per The Villages website.

NoMo50 01-26-2024 09:44 AM

We have seat belts in both of our carts, and wouldn't think of not using them. I have personal knowledge of 4 golf cart wrecks where the driver and passenger were not wearing seat belts. These 4 crashes had the following in common: 1. All were single cart crashes involving colliding with a fixed object. 2. All were relatively slow speed crashes, well under 20mpn. 3. All involved the driver and/or passenger being ejected from the golf cart. 4. All resulted in serious head trauma to the victim, requiring hospitalization.

There are no doubt countless other examples. We are all adults here, and certainly free to make our own choices. I choose being safe.

Boffin 01-26-2024 10:01 AM

Enforceable?
 
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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 2294950)
Important to note that street legal carts are not allowed on multi-modal paths. So, a mute point. But, for golf carts, a multi-modal cannot generally be reached without use of public roads. So, speed capability will be enforceable.

Unless there is a memorandum of agreement in place between the owner, in this case the Villages, and the policing agency wherein the owner agrees to allow the policing agency access for the purpose of enforcement.

Also, there is a difference between capable of more than 20 mph and doing more than 20 mph. E.g. going downhill capable of 20 mph and doing 23 mph.

Bill14564 01-26-2024 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Indydealmaker (Post 2294962)
Street legals are legally Low Speed Vehicles. Vehicles are not allowed on multi-modal paths per The Villages website.

Legally, golf carts are vehicles as well. Street-legal golf carts (or low-speed vehicles) are still golf carts. Both are allowed on the MMPs.

From the Florida Statutes (emphasis added):

Section 316: GOLF CART.—A motor vehicle designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes.

Section 320:
“Golf cart” means a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.

“Low-speed vehicle” means any four-wheeled vehicle whose top speed is greater than 20 miles per hour but not greater than 25 miles per hour, including, but not limited to, neighborhood electric vehicles.

From a July 2010 Memorandum from District Council to the District Manager concerning Multi-Modal Path usage:

Although, a golf cart can be made "street legal" upon meeting certain statutory operational and safety requirements allowing it be operated upon certain public roads it is my opinion that a street legal golf cart is still a "golf cart" for purposes of the D.O.s and is authorized by the D.O.s to utilize the paths. The D.O.s expressly allow golf carts on the districts' paths and do not make a distinction between street legal and non-street legal.

And

In view of the forgoing, a strong argument and fair interpretation of the intent of the D.O.s is that LS V's are a type of vehicle that fit within the definition of "golf cart" for purposes of establishing the permitted uses of the multi-modal paths.

nn0wheremann 01-26-2024 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by MplsPete (Post 2294426)
Searching images, I see very few with seat belts.
This website suggests you must have them, if top speed is over 20: https://streetlegalgolfcartrentals.c...ar-a-seatbelt/
(During our Lifestyle Visit, we did not have belts.)

I installed a set on my “turf legal” golf cart. Get the airline style with the buckle in the middle.
If the device you drive goes more than 20 mph, it is not a golf cart, but is a Low Speed Vehicle and you need a lot more than seatbelts to be “street legal”. Ask any Sheriff’s deputy.

Rzepecki 01-26-2024 12:09 PM

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Originally Posted by MplsPete (Post 2294426)
Searching images, I see very few with seat belts.
This website suggests you must have them, if top speed is over 20: https://streetlegalgolfcartrentals.c...ar-a-seatbelt/
(During our Lifestyle Visit, we did not have belts.)

Too many one golf cart accidents here because drivers are distracted. The problem is when you hit something, you get thrown from the cart, hit your head and most likely die. If you wear a seatbelt, you may get scraped up, but it’s unlikely you’ll hit your head.

ehonour 01-26-2024 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 2294448)
Traffic laws are ONLY enforceable for golf cart lanes that are a physical part of the public roadways but the stop signs & speed limits in store parking lots, HOA’s and private property like the MMP's are not legally enforceable pursuant to Florida Statute 316.006. This was confirmed to me by a Captain of the Wildwood Police Department who stated, "The Wildwood Police Department does not have enforcement for traffic on the multi-modal paths, which are strictly on the Village's property."
Therefore, traffic laws including stop signs, speed limits, & seat belt laws, on the multi-modal paths are not enforceable.

All true. However, if on the way to that MMP you drive on a neighborhood street, or in the golf cart lane of a secondary street, then you are indeed subject to the laws. The local police have issued tickets for failure to stop at a stop sign, speeding (i.e, over 20mph), and operating a non-licensed Low Speed Vehicle (i.e. for operating a normal golf cart over 20mph, thereby proving that it is subject to the LSV requirements). That last one can get rather expensive.

Dexterconfetti 01-26-2024 12:51 PM

Three point Seat belt (shoulder loop). Do not want to be tossed. Always buckled.

OrangeBlossomBaby 01-26-2024 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Dexterconfetti (Post 2295112)
Three point Seat belt (shoulder loop). Do not want to be tossed. Always buckled.

Most golf carts don't have frames that will support a shoulder belt.

Topspinmo 01-27-2024 02:14 AM

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Originally Posted by bowlingal (Post 2294884)
people die in golf cart accidents. This is a no brainer. Do you want to live or die?


People die in all forms accidents, but I agree it’s safer and reduces chances of bad injuries.

Chi-Town 01-27-2024 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Garywt (Post 2294433)
Some carts have them and others do not. We do not have them on either of our carts. When buying new if they are not already installed it is easy to have them put in. They certainly are not required and the speed limit is 20 mph.

Just curious, why do you not have them?

Normal 01-27-2024 09:41 AM

Life’s Double Standard’s
 
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Originally Posted by MplsPete (Post 2294426)
Searching images, I see very few with seat belts.
This website suggests you must have them, if top speed is over 20: https://streetlegalgolfcartrentals.c...ar-a-seatbelt/
(During our Lifestyle Visit, we did not have belts.)

We do have seatbelts on our cart. That said, we have used them likely less than a dozen times?

I ponder on the need. Do motorcycles have seat belts? Would I rather be tethered to a cart if I was hit by a truck? The seat belt issue kind of goes with the double standards of society’s laws. Like I can ride a bicycle almost anywhere even on the main road, but I can’t drive my golf cart there.


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