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edlynette@cs.com 12-03-2019 08:43 AM

No ethanol for me
 
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Originally Posted by tibbetts (Post 1698639)
I find that my Mercedes runs better and gets better Mileage with ethanol free gas, Remember that Ethanol collects water.

Ethanol is a corrosive

Ethanol does not stay in suspension with gas, it separates like oil and vinegar dressing

Ethanol has a specific gravity heavier than gas, so it sinks to the bottom of the tank. Gas station tanks have no stirring mechanism, so ethanol sinks to the bottom. Guess where the fuel pick up is.

Ethanol has less BTUs than gas - 30%

Ethanol is the great American scam

Distributors pay $0.52 a gallon,. How much do you pay at the pump??

stevebales 12-03-2019 08:54 AM

Wawa
 
WAWA has it on the two end pump islands

biker1 12-03-2019 08:56 AM

Not exactly.

Gasoline with ethanol will only experience phase separation if it has absorbed a "fair" amount of water. Otherwise it is well mixed.

I don't claim to fully understand the economics of gasoline refining and distributing but the last time I looked the commodity price for ethanol was about $1.50 per gallon.

While ethanol does contain less energy than gasoline it has the positive effect of burning cleaner than pure gasoline and is also an effective octane booster.

If you are unhappy with the outrageously low cost of gasoline in this country (compared with a good chunk of the rest of the world) you can certainly buy an electric car and an electric golf cart.


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Originally Posted by edlynette@cs.com (Post 1698791)
Ethanol is a corrosive

Ethanol does not stay in suspension with gas, it separates like oil and vinegar dressing

Ethanol has a specific gravity heavier than gas, so it sinks to the bottom of the tank. Gas station tanks have no stirring mechanism, so ethanol sinks to the bottom. Guess where the fuel pick up is.

Ethanol has less BTUs than gas - 30%

Ethanol is the great American scam

Distributors pay $0.52 a gallon,. How much do you pay at the pump??


OhioBuckeye 12-03-2019 09:37 AM

Why all the questions about Ethanol? Usually someone will ask about something when there’s an issue. Don’t understand all the concern! I work for Ford Mo. Co. for 38 yrs. in the Dyno Lab & we burned 100’s of gal. of gas a week & I never heard one bad thing about Ethanol except is it was hard on Throttle Bodies & Injectors. But never was a concern! Not criticizing anybody just was wondering because there’s not a concern.

dewilson58 12-03-2019 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OhioBuckeye (Post 1698817)
Why all the questions about Ethanol? Usually someone will ask about something when there’s an issue. Don’t understand all the concern! I work for Ford Mo. Co. for 38 yrs. in the Dyno Lab & we burned 100’s of gal. of gas a week & I never heard one bad thing about Ethanol except is it was hard on Throttle Bodies & Injectors. But never was a concern! Not criticizing anybody just was wondering because there’s not a concern.




The OP: Just purchased my first new gas powered Yamaha. Looking for opinions on gas.

Rickg 12-03-2019 10:29 AM

My two cents
 
Not to be overly critical but. A golf cart costs about 1/3 of most new cars and most people just fuel up where ever they happen to buy gas. I haven’t heard of a golf cart developing engine issues due to fuel with 10% ethanol. I have 7500 miles on my cart and haven’t experience any issues. I say if it burns use it. NOW, I have a different attitude when it comes to my cars that have a MUCH higher value. Just my two cents😎

Nucky 12-03-2019 11:29 AM

OP, did you ever hear of the old saying Pay Me Now Or Pay Me Later? I don't think any of the advice you have been offered is wrong.

I used The Villages Gas except for when I have to get rid of the Regular Gas I bought for our Generator. It was a total of 18 gallons. The Cart ran exactly the same as

it did with the Big Bucks Gas. Our Cart is a Yamaha 2016 with a Garberator (Kidding). I think I'm going to go back to the Big Bucks Gas. It's worth it for peace of mind.

People proved their case for regular gas for sure.

OhioBuckeye 12-03-2019 04:06 PM

Ohiobuckeye
 
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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1698820)
The OP: Just purchased my first new gas powered Yamaha. Looking for opinions on gas.

DEWILSON, what kind of gas I used what gas I needed at the time I needed it. Ethanol was the least of my worries. I had a 2013 Yamaha & traded it in on a 2018 Yamaha & never once had an issue with it & I had 26,000 miles on it. So use whatever kind of gas you want!

Rollie 12-05-2019 05:23 AM

Picked up my new Yamaha yesterday. While checking it out I noticed a sticker on the gas tank. E5-E10, I guess that kind of answers my question.

Rollie

FenneyGuy 12-05-2019 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by npwalters (Post 1698490)
Exactly. BTW, you can get ethanol free gas at the new Wawa (near Lowes) for about 40 cents per gallon more than regular. Much cheaper than Villages Carts.

Many Marathons have ethanol free gas as well.

anothersteve 12-05-2019 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rollie (Post 1699324)
Picked up my new Yamaha yesterday. While checking it out I noticed a sticker on the gas tank. E5-E10, I guess that kind of answers my question.

Rollie

Yep. See post #4

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Originally Posted by anothersteve (Post 1698374)
If it's a new cart look on the gas tank or the gas cap. If there is a sticker that says either E10 or E5 you can use regular pump gas.
Steve


davefin 12-05-2019 02:55 PM

Ethanol free gasoline is NOT necessary, in any engine, in this climate. PERIOD!

John_W 12-05-2019 04:07 PM

I bought a new Yamaha gas cart in 2011 and used regular ethanol gas until the Marathon Station on 466A opened in August 2014. I thought I would try the ethanol free gas one time to see if it improved performance.

That week I played 18 holes at Belle Glade which is about 4 miles from my home off St. Charles. I picked up my neighbor and we drove to the course, played a round and then as soon as we exited the parking lot the cart died. I could get the cart to go but only at about 4 mph if I held the choke out with one hand and drove the cart. We made it back in 60 minutes, it's normally about 20-25 minutes.

The next day I called Willie Wilcoxin who I've had service my cart since the beginning. He came out and said that ethanol builds up like crud in the carburetor and fuel lines and when you put in the clean gas all that crud loosens up. He flushed everything out and charged me $70.

Ever since then I've stayed with the Ethanol Free because this is going to be my last cart and I want to last as long as I can, and it has clean lines and a carburetor and I do get slightly better mileage. Also I only drive my cart when I play golf, so I use a 5 gallon can and that will normally last two months. So it's not that big an expense.

biker1 12-05-2019 04:18 PM

An older golf cart with a carburetor that is not used much may benefit from ethanol-free fuel. I run ethanol-free fuel in my carbureted yard tools - sometimes they sit for awhile. Fuel injected golf carts, however, that are used regularly are fine with 10% ethanol fuel. You don't need ethanol-free fuel in your fuel injected car. Any increase in gas mileage with ethanol-free gas would be limited to 3% (the energy difference) - difficult to measure and certainly not worth the 30% higher cost. I have 20K miles on my fuel injected golf cart with 10% ethanol fuel with no issues and 50+ miles per gallon.

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Originally Posted by John_W (Post 1699555)
I bought a new Yamaha gas cart in 2011 and used regular ethanol gas until the Marathon Station on 466A opened in August 2014. I thought I would try the ethanol free gas one time to see if it improved performance.

That week I played 18 holes at Belle Glade which is about 4 miles from my home off St. Charles. I picked up my neighbor and we drove to the course, played a round and then as soon as we exited the parking lot the cart died. I could get the cart to go but only at about 4 mph if I held the choke out with one hand and drove the cart. We made it back in 60 minutes, it's normally about 20-25 minutes.

The next day I called Willie Wilcoxin who I've had service my cart since the beginning. He came out and said that ethanol builds up like crud in the carburetor and fuel lines and when you put in the clean gas all that crud loosens up. He flushed everything out and charged me $70.

Ever since then I've stayed with the Ethanol Free because this is going to be my last cart and I want to last as long as I can, and it has clean lines and a carburetor and I do get slightly better mileage. Also I only drive my cart when I play golf, so I use a 5 gallon can and that will normally last two months. So it's not that big an expense.



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