"what the market will bare"
 

[QUOTE=jimbo2012;511413]Interesting is the price difference at TV and outside the bubble, Yamaha's are $5,000 else where (gas or elec same) and $7,000 here for gas, Elec $8,000:$:

Now why is there that kinda difference?




Because people will pay for the convenience of buying locally.

So I take it you own an electric cart. Good for you. it's personal preference. How long have you had ele? and have you ever had a gas cart?
Before you try and give advice get the facts straight don't put info out there that's as one sided as a used car salesmans data. I know changing ones oil isn't for everyone I happen to like to do it. I've NEVER spilled any either I put an old paint roller pan under the cart you can't miss that.

Disposing of oil, getting gas it's the least I could do I'm retired I have nothing to do most days but recreate.

Carbon foot print? Please my "other" vehicle is a 6,000 pound 450 horsepower diesel.

convenience $5000 vs $7 or $8000, $3,000 isn't convenience, that's highway robbery.

convenience might be a 10% pop in price not 50%

No one is forcing them to buy . They must perceive some value that influences their decision. It could be convenience, reputation, or several other considerations that are not important to others.

I ordered a 2012 1/2 EFI but had not asked for it to be made or shipped because I am not there yet. Got a call yesterday that the 2013's are coming out so changed it to a 2013 for hardly any more $$$ at all. Just thought I would share they are on their way. I am told the depreciationb on the 2012 would be about $500 as the new model is coming out for 2013.

That's the cart my husband plans to buy in 3 weeks. Are you buying from the store in Lake Sumter?

Both brands are good. Personally I like Club Car and bought mine from Grandpa and Grandma Buggies on north 441 just north of 42. They are really "fine" people to deal with.

I would think that club car would be the better one because of having a oil pump.Would think engine would last longer.With yamaha and its system I would think lubing motor at higher rpm's might be a problem.maybe frank could respond.

Efi
 

Fuel injection is not new, but is new to Golf carts. I went with a carburetor. I never buy the 1st model year of a car and not willing to buy the 1st model fuel injection. Time will tell !:gc:

In the splash lubrication system, a dipper or slinger splashes oil through the internal parts of the engine. Oil is also splashed up to the valve mechanism.

No oil filter

In force-feed lubrication, pressure forces oil around the engine. In a wet-sump system, oil is kept in the sump ready for the next use. In a dry sump system, oil falls to the bottom of the engine and a scavenge pump sends it to an oil tank.

They both work on these small motors, can't say better or not, but pump pressure makes more sense and I like the oil filtered.

Yes I bought from Joel at the store in The Villages and he is a riot to deal with. And very patient.

Huh!
 

Pennies on the dollar and I will have the new Factory released Solar Panel to increase range and battery life. And did I catch you sucking fuel form your neighbors car? That was me un pluggin a coke machine!:police:

Fumes
 

What you smell is Raw Oxides of Nitrogen which leads to respiratory problems and or Raw unburned Hydro Carbons ( wasted Gas ) The Pop Bang ya all get in the tunnells letting off the gas. Carbs governor tampered with with no decel valve sucking to much raw fuel into the intake. Cannot burn it all bang bang and out the tail pipe into the face of the following cart goes the noxious emissions.

Cart was NOT designed to be rodded and driven like TV consumer does. And while most of you get on my case I talk with sales at Yamaha. Who laugh and say your right but why should we build a Villager Cart. You are nothing but a drop in the bucket of world wide Gas Cart sales. Ohhhhhh OH maybe we goofed! Hey come buy our new fuel injected Cart. They are getting closer to compliance.

Remember you cannot smell Carbon Monoxide. Just kinda kills ya quick!

Run
 

E-15 Ethanol is coming . Run do not WALK away from a carb cart. Fuel injection is the way to go. Why they came out with it. Why NASCAR is using it. Yes them Carbs are gone! Carb Parts and engine performance cannot survive on e-15 + with a Carb system anymore. Unless you can get pure fuels at $4.75 a Gallon

Facts
 

Lets take you truck to the EPA lab in West Virginia and run it on a Dyno. We had this discusssion before, Your Diesel is more clean at 55 mph steady state speed in closed loop than the single cylinder Yamaha Carb cart is a 20.

A lawn mower produces more emission than a new Corvette BMW or Mustang Shelby. Are you ASE certified in emissions and engine performance? Are you a certified Automotive Technician/Diesel or Alternative Fuel Specialists?

I will agree people should drive both for a day or so before making a decision. It's a personal choice .

I'm still curious you own an electric cart? And I'm one of those odd balls that could not care about my carbon footprint really. Just me I could care less.

I agree with the last poster. There is no reason to keep a gas can in the garage, not that there is anything wrong with that. The gas carts will go 125 to 150 miles on one tankful. If in that distance u r not near a gas station, that is quite a feat. I fill my cart every two to three weeks and always go to a gas station. In short, getting gas is no problem at all.

Gas Carts
 

My 2004 pickup and a whole lot of fuel injected cars will not run on E15. The last estimate I heard was 20k gas golf carts in TV. 99% not fuel injection. I guess we will all have to replace them. A good way to stimulate the economy!:what:

I have never come across anyone that would say that, wow.

Question is why not?

You don't have to drive both for a day - just ride in both for a while. That tuned me straight to electic.

Does that mean you were shocked in to it? :a20:

Carbon Footprint
 

I am in the process of buying a Electric, I am torn between the quality of a Tomberlin and the New EZGO AC motor. As a tech teacher I buy form the bottom up. When Tomberlin had it LSV store open last year I would go over out back and look at the carts from the bottom up. I buy from the technicial side and vehicle constrution not how pretty it is or what famcy wheels are on it.

Now to be honest Tomberlin is in some trouble. I am not geeting feed back and response from the company like a year ago. That said I will buy the best I can where there is the best service and technicians. 95% of people buy a car or MC or Boat from the showroom. If you cannot go out back and bond with the service manager and talk with the technicians to see and hear their perspectives then you are sory ( Ignorant ) to the total operation of the business. Sales Sells- Service RETAINS CUSTOMERS!

Now I will have a electric cart. And now I do not wear a tied dyed shirt where mandels smoke weed and go out back and hug trees. I'm not into that carbon tracking. If you want to really get into that debate you start the Carbon Footprints from - the Oil Well- to Wheels to recycle yard . All vehicles follow that rule. Trains Planes Boats Cars Trucks etc.

I DO CARE ABOUT MY LUNGS! And the lungs of others that have to inhale second hand exhaust fumes from gas carts. The argument is it is no different tha, ( Another Post's ) a non smoker having to sit next to a smoker and inhale second hand fumes. And yes I quit but did smoke for over 15 years. No Halo on my head!

Some of us unfortunaltey have acquired Asthma conditionz that quickly worsens when Hydro Carbon Un burned Gas and patially burned Gas exhause is inhaled. There have been posts about a woman who visiting youn grand child became ill in the tunnells. And I suck it up and keep my mouth shut on the streets because most people just are not technicians and do not know or quite frankly care.

But if I can convince one person who is thinking of a clean quite electric cart that will work for them then I have done my part to save the lungs of others.

Technology is a wonderful thing. 5 years ago if I inhaled the particulates from a Diesel/Car tailpipe I would be dead. Today you can stand at the tail pipe and live.

Electric carts have gone through growing pains. They will evolve and get better with time. If the Yamaha Gas Carts would embrace the same technology as their Motorcyles Boat and RV engines then we would not be having this discussion. I would conside a Gas cart.

But as I said we are runing around the Villages with 1940 technology. They work they move us they last they are reliable. However they belch pollution.

Not back to my other duties- Reviewing the final chapters for a Automotive on-line text books new Hybrid Car Chapter. And yes I own a Prius. Soon a Plug in Prius. Then there is the Harley! Thats another story

What ever you buy, be sure that it is Villages ready. Without those enhancements, you WILL NOT be happy.

Reflash
 

It should run on it if a reflash program is made for the computer. Testing in Fla and other states has shown that currently we are using concentrations of ethanol all over the board. From 12-30% depending on the station remaining fuel in storage and the delivery system.

Many of my service technician friends are testing fuel concentrations to diag driveability problems

To ease your mind the new pumps will have selector controls that will allow older vehicles to use e-10 and flex fuel vehicles can use anything up to e-85

It was easy for them to make the fuel a nightmare for the infrastructure and the people with older vehicles. In NY all of a suddend this year we are seeing non-ethanol preminium at certain stations. You pay more for it.

Ethanol keeps the cost of our Gas down $1.00 or more. It's all a nightmare for the consumer.

I agree.

We purchased a used gas Yamaha four years ago. It is a four seater all facing front. It is still just fine.

The carts you see stranded or being towed are usually electric. But they are quiet and don't emit fumes.

It still is a highly personal choice. All we had to go on was our experince with the ones we used playing golf for forty years..... But here you need a dependable cart that can go for long distances.

Down Sized

I will be joining you on the Hill Side on Harston in Amelia in November. By then I will check with you to see how your choice worked out.

Looking forward to joining THE VILLAGE PEOPLE .

Take Care and safe travels

Jack

The general from people that I've spoken to is that Club Car makes the best electric and Yamaha makes the best gas cart.

What kind of upgrade did they do and what did it cost? I would love to get 60 miles on a charge.

Ezgo
 

Ezgo has the largest engine! 13hp engine! which has more hp! lower rpms! best fuel economy of the the others!
:spoken::spoken:

New (2012-1/2) fuel injected Yamaha Drive is 38% more fuel efficent than previous models.

some have suggested it gets 60 plus miles per gallon. I know I have to fill it every two months.
It depends on what your needs are. The convenience of knowing you can drive to any course play 18 and make it home is reassuring. (My golfing partners say if you go to Nancy Lopez (for example) make sure you have a full charge.

You may want to read the recent post regarding Tomberlin.

Par cars are recognized as having 60 to 80 range (and really BIG WHEELS)
THE 80 mile range should do the trick if you are interest in electric only vehicles.

Bill, we would never have anything but a Yamaha Gas Cart. We were also told the 2007 and up Yamaha Gas Carts have the brake system built into the transmission so the brakes never have to be replaced.

I have a 12 year old Yamaha gas and I change the oil twice a year, one quart of Mobile 1 each time, annual cost $13. I don't think you could outlast the engine (Kawasaki or Yamaha) for either model. I like the gas (vs electric) cheaper and I can go 3 to 4 hundered miles before I need to get to the station. I could drive to Daytona and back (twice) without getting gas!

I agree with all the previous posters. With proper maintenance, they are generally bullet proof and will run trouble free for years. If you find a used one that you feel is "the one", I would suggest bringing it to a mechanic for an inspection. May cost you some money, but well spent up front.