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rsibole 10-28-2023 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by GoingSouth (Post 2268815)
Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

#1- Any new golf cart will probably last longer than you
#2- The Villages golf cart sales dealership sells so many carts they are the only ones to get the latest and best configurations
#3- Even if you pay $1,000 more over ten years of expected use (most people believe they will live another ten years regardless of how old they are) the cost is minimal
And, #4- Yamaha Gas

Note: Buying used from an individual would be a last resort - “if it sounds too good to be true, it isn’t “

TomSpasm 10-28-2023 12:13 PM

I've always thought that if any of my friends with a gas cart drove my electric cart for a week, when getting back in there's, they would quickly decide they needed an electric cart.

I paid 4K for a 4 year old Club Car DS in early 2012. Most of my neighbors bought new Yamahas that they have already replaced. Mine runs just the same way it did when I bought it...fantastic.

One caveat I'll grant, my wife and I are small people, if we weighed 375 lbs combined, the electric cart would not drive as nicely and I might prefer gas.

DrMack 10-28-2023 01:28 PM

Same
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2268836)
Bought a new gas Yamaha last January from Country Village Power in Webster, FL and am very happy with the decision.

We are having a cart delivered from the same place. Did you have any issues on delivery? We are so excited. Riding in the golf cart is one of joys of moving into TV.

mntlblok 10-28-2023 01:36 PM

Gas
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2268836)
Bought a new gas Yamaha last January from Country Village Power in Webster, FL and am very happy with the decision.

We did the same in May.

Went through a couple of electric carts during my time living in a golf community in Savannah. Was very surprised to learn that most Villages carts are gas, as there had been none where we lived before.

Not finding any downsides here to the gas Yamaha. Worn out batteries were a pain - even for those who remembered to add water on a timely basis. :-)

easeonby 10-28-2023 02:10 PM

Golf Carts
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingSouth (Post 2268815)
Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

For the Villages the Yamaha gas golf cart is the best way to go. Electric Lithium battery carts just stop moving when battery get low, no warning.

tophcfa 10-28-2023 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrMack (Post 2269175)
We are having a cart delivered from the same place. Did you have any issues on delivery? We are so excited. Riding in the golf cart is one of joys of moving into TV.

No problem with the delivery, and they came back to the house after I put 30 hours on the cart and did a free oil change (I paid a $5 up-charge for Amsoil) and checked and adjusted everything as needed. When the cart was about 2 months old, I had a problem with the headlight switch and they came to our house a couple days later and put in a new headlight/blinker control assembly. The cart now has 150 hours on it without any issues and we love it. We would definitely use them again and highly recommend them. Enjoy your new Quietech : )

Marmaduke 10-28-2023 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by mrf0151 (Post 2268838)
Everyone likes a quieter cart so when we moved here almost 20 years ago, we got a Club 4 battery electric. It was wonderful until the batteries got a couple years on them and then the range dropped off some. With the new lithium batteries there seems to be many positives as they are supposed to last longer and give much better range. However, the jury is really out on these lithium electric carts because they do not have a long track record.
The only cart out there right now with over 2 decades plus of track record is the Yamaha gas.
With the best ride and handling and steering of all carts and the indestructible Yamaha motor, it is the safe bet. By the way, the Yamaha gas is now almost as quiet as an electric cart.

I think your answer is very helpful. Nice!
We bought a lithium battery operated cart from Cart World and it is FANTASTIC.
Friends critique us because they hear that those batteries can catch fire. We do not care. No noise, no maintenance beyond an annual physical. 8 year lithium battery warrenty.

Marmaduke 10-28-2023 04:38 PM

Actually, we do care about the controversy over lithium batteries, but we charge it and unplug it right away.
It charges very quickly and we don't leave it plugged in for hours beyond a full charge.

Jerrysherry 10-28-2023 04:50 PM

I have electric Carts for over 20+yrs.now I have Lithium Battery, just love quiet ride, no gas fumes not loud !

Dlpdo 10-28-2023 05:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrf0151 (Post 2268838)
Everyone likes a quieter cart so when we moved here almost 20 years ago, we got a Club 4 battery electric. It was wonderful until the batteries got a couple years on them and then the range dropped off some. With the new lithium batteries there seems to be many positives as they are supposed to last longer and give much better range. However, the jury is really out on these lithium electric carts because they do not have a long track record.
The only cart out there right now with over 2 decades plus of track record is the Yamaha gas.
With the best ride and handling and steering of all carts and the indestructible Yamaha motor, it is the safe bet. By the way, the Yamaha gas is now almost as quiet as an electric cart.

Just for info the Yamaha gas is no where near a quiet as the electric carts. They have been using lithium batteries in cars since before 2010 with great success. I thinks that should be an adequate track record.

photo1902 10-28-2023 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by srswans (Post 2268949)
Be careful buying used gas if it isn’t a Yamaha QT2 - the older gas carts are quite noxious - never back it in lest you pollute the entire garage and even the house. The people you pass will hate you too.

Don’t be a drama queen

jimjamuser 10-28-2023 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrf0151 (Post 2268838)
Everyone likes a quieter cart so when we moved here almost 20 years ago, we got a Club 4 battery electric. It was wonderful until the batteries got a couple years on them and then the range dropped off some. With the new lithium batteries there seems to be many positives as they are supposed to last longer and give much better range. However, the jury is really out on these lithium electric carts because they do not have a long track record.
The only cart out there right now with over 2 decades plus of track record is the Yamaha gas.
With the best ride and handling and steering of all carts and the indestructible Yamaha motor, it is the safe bet. By the way, the Yamaha gas is now almost as quiet as an electric cart.

Most older gas golf carts are noisier than most cars and trucks. That is stupid crazy to me. Put a good muffler on those older ones!

jimjamuser 10-28-2023 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by villagetinker (Post 2268892)
I agree with above, do not jump immediately into a new cart. Get a nice used one, get to know the villages which is now around 70 square miles, and over 20 miles North to South. Electric GC have some range limitations you may need to consider, and time required to recharge, gas typically can go 200 to 250 miles on a full tank and few minutes to "recharge". The newest Yamaha quietech are actually very nice, we have one and we can hold a conversation at normal voice levels and any speed. Yes, all of the gas golf carts have some odor, which you will typically never smell unless you are backing up, you will smell OTHER gas carts.
My point, get a gas cart use it for a few weeks or months to get an idea of what you actually Need/want, then either keep the cart you picked up or going with something different.

All the older gas golf carts smell after they have gone by your location. It has to be unhealthy to breathe in those pathetic gases. Cars and trucks with much larger motors have much less smell. And not to mention the effect on the upper atmosphere layer.

jimjamuser 10-28-2023 07:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Windguy (Post 2268957)
Yes, I paid a little over $4K to replace my lead-acid batteries with three lithium ones. They are good for 13 miles each (totaling 39 miles). BUT, they are warranted for 10 years and any problems will be fixed for no charge, so please quit quoting the 5-8 years to scare people away from electric.

Yes instead of scaring people away from electric golf carts, there should be a rule to ONLY allow electric in The Villages. Oh, I forgot......that would be progressive and we would NEVER want that. Never be at the forefront of progress.

jimjamuser 10-28-2023 07:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Altawood (Post 2268980)
The price of a new Yamaha is beyond ridiculous when compared to an automobile and the engineering/design is tailored to a vehicle for driving 18 holes in a day, not 10-15 at 20+ mph.
The Gas carts do have a history, one of noise and smell. In addition, the gas carts require yearly maintenance while the EV do not. They are quieter, smoother and handle just as well. The operating cost of the EV is less also. While the Gas carts can go 2x-miles on a tank, the EV’s can’t make half of that, but then you don’t have to visit the gas station with the EV. Just plug it in when you return home and you’re full by morning at a cost of $0.60 or $0.01 per mile.

I have never heard of a course or village that requires participants to use gas carts, but know of many that require electric.
Having said all that, do NOT buy an EV that uses lead-acid batteries. Only lithium.
The above is my opinion and there are plenty of dissenters. Enjoy your time in The Villages.

An electric golf cart helps keep DOWN the earth's temperatures. Less upper atmosphere HEAT reflection. Anyone notice the record temperatures here in Florida this summer? Gas golf carts put out a lot of smoke and pollution, especially the older ones!

coleprice 10-28-2023 09:35 PM

Star Electric Cart has been GREAT!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingSouth (Post 2268815)
Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

We bought a STAR electric Cart that has 8 Lead-Cell Batteries. We have about an 80 mile range, but our range reduced to about 50 miles after 5 years, prior to replacing the original batteries. It has been very reliable, plus there's no nasty smells that gas carts emit and it's quiet. The NEW Yamaha carts are very clean burning and quiet, but they're much more expensive than a used electric STAR or Club Golf cart. As far as convenience is concerned, I plug my electric cart into a 120V outlet at night, after use. Never have to make a trip to buy gas and no need to store hazardous gas at home.

wamley 10-29-2023 08:07 AM

Difficult to get parts for anything related to the litium battery if you have trouble. Comes from China and can take months.

Bill14564 10-29-2023 08:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wamley (Post 2269356)
Difficult to get parts for anything related to the litium battery if you have trouble. Comes from China and can take months.

There are no parts related to the lithium battery.

OrangeBlossomBaby 10-29-2023 08:46 AM

A few things keep me from being interested in E-carts:
1. A full 5-gallon tank of gas will last longer than a single full charge on an EV. If you use your cart every day for grocery, socialization, a round of golf every week, going to the squares, your clubs, doctor's office, picking up the mail - how often would you need to charge your batteries vs. how often you'd need to add gas to the tank?

2. When a gas cart battery needs to be replaced, it's around $100. When an electric cart's batteries need replacing it can set you back a few thousand bucks.

3. If the power's out, your e-cart will just have to sit there until the power's back on, and then you still have to wait for the charging process to complete. If you have a gas cart, just top it off from the 2-gallon can you keep in the garage for the lawnmower and you're good to go for another few days.

KennyP 10-29-2023 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2269238)
Most older gas golf carts are noisier than most cars and trucks. That is stupid crazy to me. Put a good muffler on those older ones!

That wont make them quieter

Bill14564 10-29-2023 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2269385)
A few things keep me from being interested in E-carts:
1. A full 5-gallon tank of gas will last longer than a single full charge on an EV. If you use your cart every day for grocery, socialization, a round of golf every week, going to the squares, your clubs, doctor's office, picking up the mail - how often would you need to charge your batteries vs. how often you'd need to add gas to the tank?

Plug the electric cart in when you park and never have to worry about it. No trips to the gas station to fill the 5 gallon can, no need to remember to put fuel in the cart, no cleaning up the spills, ... Just plug it in and you're good to go.

Quote:

2. When a gas cart battery needs to be replaced, it's around $100. When an electric cart's batteries need replacing it can set you back a few thousand bucks.
May find out in eight years or so. Or may not if we replace the cart by then.

Quote:

3. If the power's out, your e-cart will just have to sit there until the power's back on, and then you still have to wait for the charging process to complete. If you have a gas cart, just top it off from the 2-gallon can you keep in the garage for the lawnmower and you're good to go for another few days.
When was the last time the power was out for more than a couple of minutes? (and there was that one time but if I remember correctly the tunnels and paths were flooded so gas carts weren't usable either)

SHIBUMI 10-29-2023 09:31 AM

Golf Car
 
A general rule of thumb is that if you want gas, get a Yamaha. If you want electric get a Club Car.

Yamaha has the best gas car and it is is about 85% of golf cars in the villages, but, you want a late model so it is quiet. And you won't worry about running out of energy. If you want it duded up buy it at village golf cars. If you don't care how it looks, get it off property. Used ones may not be quiet.

Club Car makes the best electric car. You can go regular batteries or lithium. Both are quiet . After 5 years on regular batteries you just change the batteries. The electric motor will go on forever. After 8 years change the lithium, the electric motor will go on forever, lithium change is cheaper than getting a new golf car.

If you are going with a 4 seater, get the one with the seats facing forward. It is a much better ride as the seats are over the chassis and not over the back wheels.
Less bumpy ride, not a good ride in the ones facing backwards.

There is no shortage of people who will work on your golf car and if you have it serviced once a year you will be fine.

The Yamaha gas will go faster 20-28 miles per hour, the electric will go 20 mph. You don't have to join the Yamaha speeders, but, that too is your call.

Hopefully all of this input helps your decision process. :gc:

more only BUT<

Club Car electricIf its a budget decision get used or off campus.
Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingSouth (Post 2268815)
Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.


TomSpasm 10-29-2023 09:42 AM

When we moved here, we rented a house that came with an electric cart that would go 27mph! I've seen other posters claim electric aren't as fast as gas. Simply untrue. The bad news is I'm also one of the unlucky few who've been caught driving an unregistered electric cart and been forced to make the mandatory court appearance in Bushnell.

Fastskiguy 10-29-2023 10:11 AM

Is it possible to buy a cheap old (well...5 years +/-) lead acid cart and put in lithium? If so....wouldn't that be a pretty cheap option? Or is that just not a thing?

Joe

Topspinmo 10-29-2023 10:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomSpasm (Post 2269154)
I've always thought that if any of my friends with a gas cart drove my electric cart for a week, when getting back in there's, they would quickly decide they needed an electric cart.

I paid 4K for a 4 year old Club Car DS in early 2012. Most of my neighbors bought new Yamahas that they have already replaced. Mine runs just the same way it did when I bought it...fantastic.

One caveat I'll grant, my wife and I are small people, if we weighed 375 lbs combined, the electric cart would not drive as nicely and I might prefer gas.


I had CC DS, 2005. I had different view, the front end was cheap hit anything and bend something, bushing worn creating steering wheel wobble. Had corrosion problems, spot on garage floor, battery cables inside corrosion. Smell when charging, Brakes dust problems, had to remove drums clean out grit. Then there was the 4 year old batteries that starting to loose amps. I will admit I had no clue how precious owner took care of it. I guessing he done little and most likely over filled batteries creating the corrosion problems? I had pretty much fixed everything except the weak batteries.

It came with house I brought and was fine for running about neighborhood in my district. But running all day all over the villages was taking chance.

Now the ride, seats was uncomfortable. Suspension was ridged. I didn’t want the expense of batteries and fighting corrosion. So I sold it and brought 13,995 list price Yamaha village read gas cart 2 years old for 7500. With my 2500 sale of the CC got about 5 grand into it. It has 18K miles on it. I have replaced start battery twice, tires, belts twice, spark plug twice, secondary clutch, tie rod ends, and changed oil twice year. It’s 2012 EFI. Still runs and rides like new. But, I was mechanic for 40 plus years and know what to look for.

Bottom line to each his own!

Topspinmo 10-29-2023 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko (Post 2269404)
A general rule of thumb is that if you want gas, get a Yamaha. If you want electric get a Club Car.

Yamaha has the best gas car and it is is about 85% of golf cars in the villages, but, you want a late model so it is quiet. And you won't worry about running out of energy. If you want it duded up buy it at village golf cars. If you don't care how it looks, get it off property. Used ones may not be quiet.

Club Car makes the best electric car. You can go regular batteries or lithium. Both are quiet . After 5 years on regular batteries you just change the batteries. The electric motor will go on forever. After 8 years change the lithium, the electric motor will go on forever, lithium change is cheaper than getting a new golf car.

If you are going with a 4 seater, get the one with the seats facing forward. It is a much better ride as the seats are over the chassis and not over the back wheels.
Less bumpy ride, not a good ride in the ones facing backwards.

There is no shortage of people who will work on your golf car and if you have it serviced once a year you will be fine.

The Yamaha gas will go faster 20-28 miles per hour, the electric will go 20 mph. You don't have to join the Yamaha speeders, but, that too is your call.

Hopefully all of this input helps your decision process. :gc:

more only BUT<

Club Car electricIf its a budget decision get used or off campus.


Electric cars 20 MPH? I got passed by parcar LSV going 38 MPH down BV. When I rented had electric Star cart that had high and low switch on dash. The low side 20MPH max, the high side 30MPH plus. Either electric or gas can be made to run well over 20 MPH.

If I take governor out of my Yamaha gas it will top out about 38 MPH with engine rpm maxed out.

SHIBUMI 10-29-2023 10:46 AM

PS
 
The number one priority is comfortable seats. ElTigre the best they will save your as......


Quote:

Originally Posted by Rich Iwaszko (Post 2269404)
A general rule of thumb is that if you want gas, get a Yamaha. If you want electric get a Club Car.

Yamaha has the best gas car and it is is about 85% of golf cars in the villages, but, you want a late model so it is quiet. And you won't worry about running out of energy. If you want it duded up buy it at village golf cars. If you don't care how it looks, get it off property. Used ones may not be quiet.

Club Car makes the best electric car. You can go regular batteries or lithium. Both are quiet . After 5 years on regular batteries you just change the batteries. The electric motor will go on forever. After 8 years change the lithium, the electric motor will go on forever, lithium change is cheaper than getting a new golf car.

If you are going with a 4 seater, get the one with the seats facing forward. It is a much better ride as the seats are over the chassis and not over the back wheels.
Less bumpy ride, not a good ride in the ones facing backwards.

There is no shortage of people who will work on your golf car and if you have it serviced once a year you will be fine.

The Yamaha gas will go faster 20-28 miles per hour, the electric will go 20 mph. You don't have to join the Yamaha speeders, but, that too is your call.

Hopefully all of this input helps your decision process. :gc:

more only BUT<

Club Car electricIf its a budget decision get used or off campus.


KennyP 10-29-2023 11:26 AM

You've changed alot of parts that shouldnt have been changed in that short a period of time. Id find a new mechanic.

KennyP 10-29-2023 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Topspinmo (Post 2269418)
I had CC DS, 2005. I had different view, the front end was cheap hit anything and bend something, bushing worn creating steering wheel wobble. Had corrosion problems, spot on garage floor, battery cables inside corrosion. Smell when charging, Brakes dust problems, had to remove drums clean out grit. Then there was the 4 year old batteries that starting to loose amps. I will admit I had no clue how precious owner took care of it. I guessing he done little and most likely over filled batteries creating the corrosion problems? I had pretty much fixed everything except the weak batteries.

It came with house I brought and was fine for running about neighborhood in my district. But running all day all over the villages was taking chance.

Now the ride, seats was uncomfortable. Suspension was ridged. I didn’t want the expense of batteries and fighting corrosion. So I sold it and brought 13,995 list price Yamaha village read gas cart 2 years old for 7500. With my 2500 sale of the CC got about 5 grand into it. It has 18K miles on it. I have replaced start battery twice, tires, belts twice, spark plug twice, secondary clutch, tie rod ends, and changed oil twice year. It’s 2012 EFI. Still runs and rides like new. But, I was mechanic for 40 plus years and know what to look for.

Bottom line to each his own!


You've changed alot of parts in a short time frame- Id find a new mechanic

jimjamuser 10-29-2023 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KennyP (Post 2269390)
That wont make them quieter

And DARE I ASK..........why not?

jimjamuser 10-29-2023 12:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OrangeBlossomBaby (Post 2269385)
A few things keep me from being interested in E-carts:
1. A full 5-gallon tank of gas will last longer than a single full charge on an EV. If you use your cart every day for grocery, socialization, a round of golf every week, going to the squares, your clubs, doctor's office, picking up the mail - how often would you need to charge your batteries vs. how often you'd need to add gas to the tank?

2. When a gas cart battery needs to be replaced, it's around $100. When an electric cart's batteries need replacing it can set you back a few thousand bucks.

3. If the power's out, your e-cart will just have to sit there until the power's back on, and then you still have to wait for the charging process to complete. If you have a gas cart, just top it off from the 2-gallon can you keep in the garage for the lawnmower and you're good to go for another few days.

About #2........You have to compare the cost of replacing the batteries in a E-golf cart with a gas engine overall in a gas cart because the electric motor almost never goes bad. Plus one type of golf cart is bad for the environment and the other is good for the environment. BIG difference!

MINKROCH 10-29-2023 12:38 PM

Look into Villages Discount Golf! Many used and reconditioned carts with warranty, as well as new carts.

Customization of your cart is also available.

kkingston57 10-29-2023 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GoingSouth (Post 2268815)
Relocating to TV and need a Golf Car/Cart. I went to a dealership in TV and looked at EV and gas. I read the forums and found guidance to include:
1. Buy in GA and have it shipped. (One suggestion, rent a uHaul and bring it)
2. Buy in TV from a dealer.
3. Buy outside TV - "Fast Eddie's" may not be a finalist.
4. Buy used - have on-site repair person or mechanic evaluate.
5. Buy Yamaha Gas - proven reliability
6. Buy EV lithium - Quiet, low maintenance, postpone TV from becoming "ocean front".

The internal battle is between "frugality, not over-spending, being taken advantage of" and "convenience". I can come up with a rationalization for each.

I am leaning towards Used, but need a recommendation on a mechanic or on-site service company to do the evaluation.

Thoughts on thinking or approaches welcome.

If you are tall be careful. Yamaha does have a taller roof. I am 6'2 and have to duck when getting in and out of a non Yamaha cart. Pay close to seats especially if you use it mostly for golf. Most custom seats do not have a side bar. Look for a seat which has contours in it. On a side hill, a person can slide out of the cart. Regarding used vs new. For a saving of $2-3K not worth the savings(my opinion). Lastly these carts are very reliable and there are a lot of mobile cart mechanics in TV.

kkingston57 10-29-2023 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ron32162 (Post 2269057)
Your overthinking it. Just go to Villages golf cart. they have a warranty and they will service it.

They will do repairs on carts purchased elsewhere. Had to replace the plastic part/floor which holds the golf clubs in my Yamaha. They wanted over $220 and Country Power laughed and charged me $80 for same job. Also bought cart from them 2K less. The Villages does offer loaners and they are convenient. Cart going strong with 0 repairs in 3 years. Convenient and expensive service is not worth 2K.

kkingston57 10-29-2023 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2269238)
Most older gas golf carts are noisier than most cars and trucks. That is stupid crazy to me. Put a good muffler on those older ones!

Cars are liquid cooled which helps keep the noise down.

jimjamuser 10-29-2023 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kkingston57 (Post 2269493)
Cars are liquid-cooled which helps keep the noise down.

The original VW bug was air-cooled and was quieter than most golf carts. I had a 1970 250 CC AIR-COOLED Yamaha motorcycle that was quieter than most golf carts here. I had a 1965 Vespa air-cooled motorscooter that was WAY, WAY quieter than most golf carts here. The noise is NOT dependent on whether the motor is cooled by air or water. It is dependent on the size, quality, and design of the MUFFLER. A golf cart is designed to be used on a golf course pretty far away from most close-together residential homes. They are NOT designed to be quiet or have good brakes or safe bumpers or be basic transportation. You take them out of a golf course and they are not very well-designed for that use.
......The problem with gas golf cart noise, rollovers, and many accidents is the ILLEGAL tampering with the speed control in the golf cart. They are designed to do 15 MPH and people have them ILLEGALLY jacked up to as high as 30 MPH, which among the other bad things causes the motor to be MUCH LOUDER.
........Isn't it funny in today's society how many ILLEGAL things (like golf cart governor modification) are allowed to continue? We make laws and then don't bother to enforce them. I find it strange that we have 15 MPH speed zones in TV Land yet we have a range of golf cart speeds from 15 to 30 plus MPH depending on the extent of the ILLEGAL modifications. Please find a standard and enforce it.

JoMar 10-29-2023 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2269532)
The original VW bug was air-cooled and was quieter than most golf carts. I had a 1970 250 CC AIR-COOLED Yamaha motorcycle that was quieter than most golf carts here. I had a 1965 Vespa air-cooled motorscooter that was WAY, WAY quieter than most golf carts here. The noise is NOT dependent on whether the motor is cooled by air or water. It is dependent on the size, quality, and design of the MUFFLER. A golf cart is designed to be used on a golf course pretty far away from most close-together residential homes. They are NOT designed to be quiet or have good brakes or safe bumpers or be basic transportation. You take them out of a golf course and they are not very well-designed for that use.
......The problem with gas golf cart noise, rollovers, and many accidents is the ILLEGAL tampering with the speed control in the golf cart. They are designed to do 15 MPH and people have them ILLEGALLY jacked up to as high as 30 MPH, which among the other bad things causes the motor to be MUCH LOUDER.
........Isn't it funny in today's society how many ILLEGAL things (like golf cart governor modification) are allowed to continue? We make laws and then don't bother to enforce them. I find it strange that we have 15 MPH speed zones in TV Land yet we have a range of golf cart speeds from 15 to 30 plus MPH depending on the extent of the ILLEGAL modifications. Please find a standard and enforce it.

Unless DUI or an accident, almost no enforcement.

BrianL99 10-29-2023 06:14 PM

Almost every residential community in the United States, has banned gasoline golf carts.

Almost no 1st Class Country Club in the USA uses gasoline carts.

Globally, electric golf carts represent 62% of the new cart market.

In the USA electric golf carts represent over 85% of the new cart market and dwindling.

Yet in TV, the debate goes on, like it's 1975 ... which was about the time they added steering wheels to golf carts. The last major improvement to gasoline carts.

Golf Cart Market Size & Industry Share Analysis | 2023-2032

Electric Vs. Gasoline Golf Carts: Detailed Comparison

kkingston57 10-29-2023 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2269532)
The original VW bug was air-cooled and was quieter than most golf carts. I had a 1970 250 CC AIR-COOLED Yamaha motorcycle that was quieter than most golf carts here. I had a 1965 Vespa air-cooled motorscooter that was WAY, WAY quieter than most golf carts here. The noise is NOT dependent on whether the motor is cooled by air or water. It is dependent on the size, quality, and design of the MUFFLER. A golf cart is designed to be used on a golf course pretty far away from most close-together residential homes. They are NOT designed to be quiet or have good brakes or safe bumpers or be basic transportation. You take them out of a golf course and they are not very well-designed for that use.
......The problem with gas golf cart noise, rollovers, and many accidents is the ILLEGAL tampering with the speed control in the golf cart. They are designed to do 15 MPH and people have them ILLEGALLY jacked up to as high as 30 MPH, which among the other bad things causes the motor to be MUCH LOUDER.
........Isn't it funny in today's society how many ILLEGAL things (like golf cart governor modification) are allowed to continue? We make laws and then don't bother to enforce them. I find it strange that we have 15 MPH speed zones in TV Land yet we have a range of golf cart speeds from 15 to 30 plus MPH depending on the extent of the ILLEGAL modifications. Please find a standard and enforce it.

Used the word "helps" regarding noise. Had a VW bug also.

margaretmattson 10-29-2023 06:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2269543)
Almost every residential community in the United States, has banned gasoline golf carts.

Almost no 1st Class Country Club in the USA uses gasoline carts.

Globally, electric golf carts represent 62% of the new cart market.

In the USA electric golf carts represent over 85% of the new cart market and dwindling.

Yet in TV, the debate goes on, like it's 1975 ... which was about the time they added steering wheels to golf carts. The last major improvement to gasoline carts.

Golf Cart Market Size & Industry Share Analysis | 2023-2032

Electric Vs. Gasoline Golf Carts: Detailed Comparison

Many here still prefer gas carts because they have seen or read about EV cart homes burning down. They take into account the cost of a new battery and the disposal. Also, the purchase price of an EV is much higher than a gas model in TV.

We are at a certain age where we consider our longevity. Is it really wise to purchase a $23,000 EV cart if you are 70 yrs old or above? We could care less what the younger generations buy. We no longer have a need to be part of the "new and improved" crowd. We are pleased to wake up and to live another day. At our age, it doesn't get much better than that.


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