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True Blue 08-28-2022 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by wfp113 (Post 2130574)
Golf cart speed cannot be set to go over 20 mph per The Florida Law enforcement handbook.
wfp113

And yet it happens often. Our golf cart is set to 20 and I’m tailgated and passed often while receiving nasty stares. I just sing the Alabama song “In a hurry to get things done. Rush and rush until life’s no fun”. 🙂

Joe C. 08-28-2022 08:58 AM

Are all these rules and laws for golf CARS or golf CARTS. It seems that the Villages sells golf CARS, yet they ride on CART paths. The signs throughout the Villages say "No golf carts allowed past this sign". So if I have a golf CAR, it doesn't apply? I know it's a play on words, but words have meaning, and to change a word, results in a change in the meaning.
Just one of my "pet peeves".

Keefelane66 08-28-2022 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael 61 (Post 2130254)
I’m currently enjoying my second lifestyle visit here in TV this week. I have a golf cart that is fixed not to exceed 15 MPH. I have noticed while driving the golf cart paths that a golf cart will come up behind me and begin to tailgate me. I have been signaling and pulling to the side of the path when there is space to do this. Is this the correct thing to do?

It’s called common sense. After a few more visits you may observe at times it’s not practiced

OhioBuckeye 08-28-2022 09:09 AM

Well 15 mph isn’t the legal maximum speed. Have them reset it, & tell them you want it to go the maximum speed allowed, 15 mph isn’t it!

ThehappypeopleLOL 08-28-2022 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Cupcake57 (Post 2130438)
Welcome! I am a very defensive driver and hate tailgaters, so if there is no curb on the MMP, I pull off into the grass, smile sweetly, and say to myself "they must have to pee worse than I do!" HA! Enjoy your visit and come back for good soon.

It's more likely they forgot to do their dishes, did a u-turn and headed back home:22yikes:
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ThehappypeopleLOL 08-28-2022 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by RickyLee (Post 2130614)
When I zip past you I'm going to be blasting Judas priest; breaking the law
BREAKING THE LAW BREAKING THE LAW BREAKING THE LAW

Kewl but put on Tom Petty instead.:loco:

tammy5912554@gmail.com 08-28-2022 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by frose (Post 2130288)
The speed limit is 20. Good luck with that. They pass doing near 30. I do clock them just to satisfy my curiosity.

How do you “clock” people?

Vermilion Villager 08-28-2022 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2130518)
You have a radar gun????? To check out other driver's speed?????

Now, I really AM at a loss for words.

OMG....ME TOO!
The first thing that came to mind was the episode of Any Griffith where Gomer does a citizen's arrest of Barney?? :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

DonH57 08-28-2022 09:47 AM

Just remember you can only drive one golf cart at a time!:D

Tom M 08-28-2022 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by frose (Post 2130506)
No I do 20. I have a radar gun to check the others out. 30 is about average. They should see what happens to the human body in a cart involved in a 30 mph wreck. Another house for sale.

30mph? Average? If I've said it once, I've said it a million times -- don't exaggerate.

fdpaq0580 08-28-2022 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by DonH57 (Post 2130671)
Just remember you can only drive one golf cart at a time!:D

Good advice!

juddfl 08-28-2022 10:40 AM

I was told by a retired sheriff deputy that police do not give speeding tickets if your on the golf cart path as that is private property. Once you are on the golf cart lane with auto traffic, they will give a ticket.

Roger Gallery 08-28-2022 10:46 AM

Golf Cart speed
 
Another aspect; those with golf carts set to go faster than 20 mph or really faster thane 24 mph; is the fast they go, they forget, they should yeild to cars i.e . merging locations.

Also, what if an accident occurs when someone other than the owner drives and doesn't know the speed limit. Who is liable? We now have ads by attorneys for golf cart accident; next will he Morgan & Morgan, ha, ha.

Anyway, enjoy the Villages, doublt if there any better commuity, that offfers so much.

JMintzer 08-28-2022 11:03 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2130518)
You have a radar gun????? To check out other driver's speed?????

Now, I really AM at a loss for words.

I know... I can see it now...

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JMintzer 08-28-2022 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Roger Gallery (Post 2130697)
Another aspect; those with golf carts set to go faster than 20 mph or really faster thane 24 mph; is the fast they go, they forget, they should yeild to cars i.e . merging locations.

Going a few miles faster causes one to lose one's memory???

Topgun 1776 08-28-2022 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2130295)
There is no speed limit on the multimodal paths. There is a federal requirement that golf carts not exceed 19.9 mph. If it exceeds 19.9 it is a low speed vehicle which must be licensed and insured per Florida statute in addition to additional Federal safety requirements.

As the OP certainly can testify there are thousands of law breakers here in Florida's friendliest home town.

Please copy and post the FL and Federal "requirements" you speak so knowledgeably of... we'll wait. Thanks!

Dr Winston O Boogie jr 08-28-2022 11:26 AM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2130308)
Interesting. I could not find anything in federal statutes or the Federal Register that reference golf carts. There are some safety regulations regarding LSVs, but nothing about speed other than the definition that they go 20+ mph. All golf cart regulations appear to be state and local. IF there is any federal regulation of golf carts, it would only go to prove we have way, way too much government.

You are correct. There is no federal regulation. FL law stipulates that definition of a golf cart is a vehicle that cannot exceed 20mph. I don’t know why people keep saying 19.9 mph. If your golf cart is capable of exceeding 20mph but not 25mph it is classified as a low speed vehicle and may be driven on roads where the speed limit does not exceed 35mph. It also must be registered and insured and have safety equipment that is not required on a golf cart.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-28-2022 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Michael 61 (Post 2130254)
I’m currently enjoying my second lifestyle visit here in TV this week. I have a golf cart that is fixed not to exceed 15 MPH. I have noticed while driving the golf cart paths that a golf cart will come up behind me and begin to tailgate me. I have been signaling and pulling to the side of the path when there is space to do this. Is this the correct thing to do?

It's not the "correct" thing to do, since there is no rule requiring it. But it is definitely a nice thing to do.

OrangeBlossomBaby 08-28-2022 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2130295)
There is no speed limit on the multimodal paths. There is a federal requirement that golf carts not exceed 19.9 mph. If it exceeds 19.9 it is a low speed vehicle which must be licensed and insured per Florida statute in addition to additional Federal safety requirements.

As the OP certainly can testify there are thousands of law breakers here in Florida's friendliest home town.

Yes there's a speed limit. It's 20mph unless otherwise posted.

Bill14564 08-28-2022 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Topgun 1776 (Post 2130714)
Please copy and post the FL and Federal "requirements" you speak so knowledgeably of... we'll wait. Thanks!

Though the number is 20mph, the Federal and Fl requirements are:
- 49 CFR 571.3(b) for Federal; and,
- Chapter 320.01(22) for Florida.

Hopefully you didn't need to wait too long. Next time you might try Google to get the answer more quickly.

frose 08-28-2022 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Dotneko (Post 2130519)
You have got to be kidding. Why on earth would you clock other golf carts? Wanna be cop or something?

Really. I don’t use it on golf carts to see what they do. I really don’t care. But golf ball velocity, swing speed, baseball velocity etc. I use it for many things

frose 08-28-2022 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2130565)
OK, at least you didn't go out and buy one.
So now, what would possess you to use it here????? Curiosity????
Also, the number of carts that go 30+ are extremely limited. Is your radar gun properly calibrated?

OMG. Of course it is. I don’t really care what these people drive at. It’s just a curiosity along with my pyrometer, manometer etc.

lpruettusa 08-28-2022 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Topgun 1776 (Post 2130714)
Please copy and post the FL and Federal "requirements" you speak so knowledgeably of... we'll wait. Thanks!

Florida’s mild climate makes outdoor activities a year-round option. Low speed vehicles (LSV), golf carts and off-highway vehicles (OHV) are a great way to enjoy local communities and natural spaces. It is important that consumers understand the differences between LSVs, golf carts and OHVs, the traffic laws applying to these vehicles, and the regulations regarding registration, titling and insurance.


Low Speed Vehicles

Section 320.01(41), Florida Statutes, defines LSVs as “any four-wheeled vehicle whose top speed is greater than 20 miles per hour, but not greater than 25 miles per hour.” LSVs must be registered, titled and insured with personal injury protection (PIP) and property damage liability (PDL) insurance. Any person operating an LSV must have a valid driver license in their immediate possession.

LSVs may be operated only on streets where the posted speed limit is 35 MPH or less and must be equipped with the following safety equipment:

Headlamps;
Front and rear turn signals;
Stop lamps;
Tail lamps;
Reflex reflectors, red – one each side and one on the rear;
Exterior mirror on the driver side and an interior rear-view mirror or exterior mirror on passenger side;
Parking brake;
Windshield;
Seat belt for each designated seat; and a
Vehicle identification number (VIN).

To title and register an LSV, take the following documents to a Motor Vehicle Service Center:

Manufacturer’s Certificate of Origin;
Form HSMV 82040 (Application for Title);
Proof of Florida insurance (minimum $10,000 PDL and $10, 000 PIP);
Identification – driver license, ID card or passport; and
Applicable fees
Title fee
Plate fee
Initial registration fee, if applicable
Registration fee (varies by weight of vehicle)


Golf Carts

Golf carts are defined in section 320.01(22), Florida Statutes, as “a motor vehicle that is designed and manufactured for operation on a golf course for sporting or recreational purposes and that is not capable of exceeding speeds of 20 miles per hour.” Golf carts may be operated on roadways that are designated for golf carts with a posted speed limit of 30 mph or less. Golf carts may also cross a portion of a county road which intersects a roadway that is approved for golf carts, or that intersects a golf course or mobile home park. In both examples the roadway should have signs posted that golf carts share the roadway. The operation of golf carts on roads must comply with any more restrictive ordinances enacted by local government and should be verified prior to operating these vehicles.

Golf carts are not required to be titled or registered and, therefore, are not required to be insured with PIP and PDL insurance coverage. Golf cart operators are not required to have a driver license; however, to operate a golf cart on designated public roadways, a person must be 14 years or older.


Converted Golf Carts

Golf carts can be converted to LSVs (see LSV safety equipment requirements above). Buyers should be aware that if a golf cart has been modified to an LSV, the registration and title date do not reflect the manufacture date (age of the vehicle). Instead, it indicates the year it was registered and titled. This means that the vehicle could be older than the date listed on the title.

Titling and Registering a Converted Golf Cart

Prior to titling and registering a converted golf cart, the vehicle must be inspected and assigned a VIN at a Motorist Services Regional Office. The converted golf cart must be street-legal before applying for title and registration.

Trailer the converted golf cart to a Motorist Services Regional Office and present the following documents and fees for an inspection, VIN assignment, title and registration:

Manufacturer’s Certificate of Origin or a bill of sale for the golf cart Form HSMV 84490 (Statement of Builder) completed by customer and Compliance Examiner/Inspector;
Form HSMV 86064 (Affidavit for Golf Cart Modified to a Low Speed Vehicle);
Original bill(s) of sale or receipt(s) for all parts used to convert the golf cart to a low speed vehicle;
Certified weight slip for the converted golf cart;
Form HSMSV 82040 (Application for Title);
Proof of Florida insurance (minimum $10,000 PDL and $10,000 PIP);
Sales tax or sales tax exemption information for all parts;
Identification – driver license, ID card or passport; and
Applicable fees
Inspection fee
Title fee
Plate fee
Initial registration fee, if applicable
Registration fee (varies by weight of vehicle)




SOURCE:Low Speed Vehicles - Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles

golfing eagles 08-28-2022 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by frose (Post 2130731)
Really. I don’t use it on golf carts to see what they do. I really don’t care. But golf ball velocity, swing speed, baseball velocity etc. I use it for many things

Actually, I kinda like it. Maybe I'll get me one of those gizmos :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

jimjamuser 08-28-2022 01:30 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2130308)
Interesting. I could not find anything in federal statutes or the Federal Register that reference golf carts. There are some safety regulations regarding LSVs, but nothing about speed other than the definition that they go 20+ mph. All golf cart regulations appear to be state and local. IF there is any federal regulation of golf carts, it would only go to prove we have way, way too much government.

The Federal Government has NO choice but to standardize golf cart speed at the factory because the manufacturer is engaged in INTERSTATE COMMERCE.

jimjamuser 08-28-2022 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by frose (Post 2130506)
No I do 20. I have a radar gun to check the others out. 30 is about average. They should see what happens to the human body in a cart involved in a 30 mph wreck. Another house for sale.

My wife is a therapist that has seen many, many head injuries from many golf cart accidents. People wrongly think that they are safer in a cart than a car or truck. So, they get drunk more in a cart. don't wear seat belts, and drive stupidly. Also. the center of gravity is high in a golf cart and can roll over easily or skid out of control.After all they are designed to be ridden s-l-o-w-l-y on the grass of a golf course.

mikmacdon@hotmail.com 08-28-2022 01:52 PM

Golf cart speed
 
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Originally Posted by Michael 61 (Post 2130254)
I’m currently enjoying my second lifestyle visit here in TV this week. I have a golf cart that is fixed not to exceed 15 MPH. I have noticed while driving the golf cart paths that a golf cart will come up behind me and begin to tailgate me. I have been signaling and pulling to the side of the path when there is space to do this. Is this the correct thing to do?

You should enjoy 15mph without being hindered by the inconsiderate cart drivers. Stay at 15mph to tech them patience.

jimjamuser 08-28-2022 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by srswans (Post 2130560)
I haven’t been to an etiquette class but I wouldn’t pull off the path to let someone else by. Stay right of course but let the faster driver deal with passing.

Tailgating in a golf cart or a automobile IS something that I NEVER do. I may be selfish, but I am NOT so selfish as to think that I can endanger my life and someone else's for what ?????? to make up a few seconds of road travel ? Or to try to INTIMIDATE someone else and feel SUPERIOR to them? A tailgater is a VERY sick person psychologically.

jimjamuser 08-28-2022 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by golfing eagles (Post 2130565)
OK, at least you didn't go out and buy one.
So now, what would possess you to use it here????? Curiosity????
Also, the number of carts that go 30+ are extremely limited. Is your radar gun properly calibrated?

I see many going 30 MPH where I live. I bet that HALF of all golf carts here have their governors illegally modified. Also they burn their gasoline less efficiently (you can smell them as they pass). They greater gasoline use goes into the engine cylinders where it washes away the oil so that there is greater piston wall friction - so more wear. That is why only a FOOL would buy a USED golf cart that has been modified !!!!!!!

jimjamuser 08-28-2022 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by CoachKandSportsguy (Post 2130578)
you must be new here

Sad for people to openly flaunt a law that prevents head injuries for their fellow TV Land persons. So, much for Florida's Friendliest City.

Glowfromminnesota 08-28-2022 03:46 PM

We experienced bullying with our hot rod golf cart. At a gate someone got out of his car/came up to us in our cart and said “you are going to have your *ss handed to you. Your lights aren’t bright enough”! This was during the day! OMG. We got home and we checked and checked. They seemed o.k. No reason for that behavior. To this day I still can’t figure out why we were treated that way.

Toymeister 08-28-2022 05:07 PM

As I said on post six way back on page one there is a Federal statute on golf carts. I am rarely wrong. Unlike the posters on my ignore list I only post about things that I know with certainty or I clearly state it is my opinion.

Golf carts are specifically and definitely covered under 49 CFR Part 571. Golf carts, not LSV can not operate at 20mph. LSVs are also covered in the same subpart of the Federal Code of Regulations.

Davonu 08-28-2022 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2130829)
...I am rarely wrong. Unlike the posters on my ignore list I only post about things that I know with certainty or I clearly state it is my opinion...

And in addition to that, you are soooo modest! :D

jimjamuser 08-28-2022 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Glowfromminnesota (Post 2130795)
We experienced bullying with our hot rod golf cart. At a gate someone got out of his car/came up to us in our cart and said “you are going to have your *ss handed to you. Your lights aren’t bright enough”! This was during the day! OMG. We got home and we checked and checked. They seemed o.k. No reason for that behavior. To this day I still can’t figure out why we were treated that way.

Just another fine ambassador for Florida's Friendliest Homeasylum.

NoMoSno 08-28-2022 05:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2130773)
I see many going 30 MPH where I live. I bet that HALF of all golf carts here have their governors illegally modified. Also they burn their gasoline less efficiently (you can smell them as they pass). They greater gasoline use goes into the engine cylinders where it washes away the oil so that there is greater piston wall friction - so more wear. That is why only a FOOL would buy a USED golf cart that has been modified !!!!!!!

I hope you are not a mechanic.
Your explanation of what happens to gas in a cylinder is way off base.

sasman29 08-28-2022 05:57 PM

Golf Cart Speeds
 
15 mph.. Cyclists are moving faster .
Welcome to TV

jimjamuser 08-28-2022 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 2130835)
I hope you are not a mechanic.
Your explanation of what happens to gas in a cylinder is way off base.

Excess gas that does NOT get burned runs down the cylinder walls and thins out the oil. It puts black soot in the cylinder head. And if it is excess enough you will see BLACK smoke come out of the exhaust pipe. Same thing in golf cart and cars and trucks. If you see black smoke the engine is running too rich and the cylinders and piston rings are getting premature excessive WEAR.

frose 08-28-2022 06:09 PM

You know it’s not just the governor that controls speed on these carts. Gear ratios can be changed, tire size altered, clutch assembly reworked, exhaust altered There are numerous ways to speed them up.

NoMoSno 08-28-2022 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2130840)
Excess gas that does NOT get burned runs down the cylinder walls and thins out the oil. It puts black soot in the cylinder head. And if it is excess enough you will see BLACK smoke come out of the exhaust pipe. Same thing in golf cart and cars and trucks. If you see black smoke the engine is running too rich and the cylinders and piston rings are getting premature excessive WEAR.

Again, I hope you are NOT a mechanic.

rhood 08-28-2022 06:16 PM

Where, anywhere does any statute say 19.9.


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Originally Posted by Toymeister (Post 2130295)
There is no speed limit on the multimodal paths. There is a federal requirement that golf carts not exceed 19.9 mph. If it exceeds 19.9 it is a low speed vehicle which must be licensed and insured per Florida statute in addition to additional Federal safety requirements.

As the OP certainly can testify there are thousands of law breakers here in Florida's friendliest home town.



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