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CoachKandSportsguy 10-29-2023 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2268927)
As I reflected upon the near-collision later, I decided that even careful drivers (I've been driving cars for 54 years, no accidents, and not one moving violation in that time) can be involved in an accident, either by making a mistake (we all make mistakes) or someone else making a mistake.

Once there is an accident, it can easily become a "he said, she said" scenario. I worked a long time to accumulate enough assets to live a nice retirement. For a hundred, or two-hundred dollars a year, I'll take the "sucker's bet", and create one more layer of protection between an accident and my assets.

I agree with this line of action:

A cpa/data scientist colleague worked at a local insurance company, and there are two main factors at the extremes for vehicle accident probabilities in the auto insurance casino to price the pool risk:

age, in the shape of a parabola
miles driven each year.

which is why many insurance companies want to know:
where the horses sleep each night
where you work
how many miles you drive each year. .

also remember, you are dealing with cognitively declining hoomans, who are notoriously bad at figuring mental probabilities, such as getting into the next accident after 999 times doing the same thing accident free.

Same as the stock market, same as today's score at golf,
past performance does not guarantee today's events. . . even in a golf cart.

:rant-rave: all you want, your individual past performance is irrelevant for risk pricing, but your risk pool's past performance does. . .

CoachKandSportsguy 10-29-2023 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by bimmertl (Post 2269123)

Thanks, coming from a no fault, insurance simplifying state, why am I not surprised?

Aren't lawyers creative in creating doctrines to maximize their fees by extending responsibility to everyone and anyone, instead of assuming individual's are responsible for all unforeseeable actions of the immediate individual?

:swear: :rant-rave:

And people wonder why florida is a highly litigious state and premiums are higher than many other places in the country. And doctrines like this are should be included in state insurance reform, along with some other crap. However, since most governments here are either lawyers from the industry guaranteeing themselves future work, or !@#$%^&*

Its a third world country compared to the rest of america. .:sigh:

EdFNJ 10-29-2023 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by GoRedSox! (Post 2268729)
Our cart insurance was $171 per year for a new golf car, including collision, comprehensive, liability of $250k and property damage of $100k. I can’t complain about that.

I would (complain), mine is $108 same coverage for the last 3 years. :D. Of course next April when it comes up for the 4th year renewal it might be 3x that considering my AUTO just went up 50% for DEC 1 renewal.

Edit: Just checked. I have 500K/250K liability and 100K property damage and ACV collision & comp. So I would definitely complain. :D. Going to remove uninsured motorist which will save another $26.50. No idea why I have that for a golf cart.

Laker14 10-30-2023 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Blueblaze (Post 2269156)
If you are a careless cart driver, who somehow manages to drive a vehicle limited to 20mph so dangerously that you could actually kill a bicyclist, then by all means -- please carry lots of insurance so that I can get Morgan and Morgan interested in suing you if you hit me.

Let's think about that for a moment.

The golf cart's speed may not be an issue here. An old body on a bike moving at 10mph, t-bones a golf cart that may or may not have failed to yield the ROW, old body goes over the handlebars hitting head on something hard....

The cart may not have been moving anywhere near 20mph.
Accidents happen. Mistakes are made. We all make them.

Bill14564 10-30-2023 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Laker14 (Post 2269622)
Let's think about that for a moment.

The golf cart's speed may not be an issue here. An old body on a bike moving at 10mph, t-bones a golf cart that may or may not have failed to yield the ROW, old body goes over the handlebars hitting head on something hard....

The cart may not have been moving anywhere near 20mph.
Accidents happen. Mistakes are made. We all make them.

That incident was frightening because I could imagine it happening to me. I walk Hillsborough in the morning and I know the sun can be blinding at spots. I can imagine being able to see just enough to notice an oncoming car and wait for it before attempting to turn. I would not anticipate a bicycle being close behind that car and I would not be able to see it in the sun. I can imagine making that same turn.

Laker14 10-30-2023 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2269626)
That incident was frightening because I could imagine it happening to me. I walk Hillsborough in the morning and I know the sun can be blinding at spots. I can imagine being able to see just enough to notice an oncoming car and wait for it before attempting to turn. I would not anticipate a bicycle being close behind that car and I would not be able to see it in the sun. I can imagine making that same turn.

Yes. There were a lot of comments to the idea that if you can't see you should stay home, but I've been on Pinellas traveling into the rising sun, and when I left the house I didn't know I'd be blind.
It's easy to think, or to say that would never happen to me, but in reality, it could happen to any of us.

jimbomaybe 10-30-2023 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by jimjamuser (Post 2269233)
I disagree that the odds of hitting someone with your golf cart are practically zero. When people are at the squares and drinking heavily and then get behind the wheel of their golf cart, MANY bad accidents can happen.

In the past I had the habit of walking a MMP early in the morning, had it just about to myself and then late in the afternoon, walking on the left facing traffic, both morning and afternoon I have been forced to jump off the path to avoid being hit, I no longer walk the paths in the afternoons ,it being it seems somewhat safer in the mornings,

bimmertl 10-30-2023 09:12 AM

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Originally Posted by EdFNJ (Post 2269539)
I would (complain), mine is $108 same coverage for the last 3 years. :D. Of course next April when it comes up for the 4th year renewal it might be 3x that considering my AUTO just went up 50% for DEC 1 renewal.

Edit: Just checked. I have 500K/250K liability and 100K property damage and ACV collision & comp. So I would definitely complain. :D. Going to remove uninsured motorist which will save another $26.50. No idea why I have that for a golf cart.

You need UM coverage on the golf cart to protect you from uninsured drivers on the roadway who may just hit you while you are in the golf cart lane.

For $25 a year it's worth it.

DrMack 10-31-2023 06:47 AM

Litigation
 
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Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2268693)
Golf carts are relatively cheap compared to homes or cars. Homeowners insurance is often required and car insurance is almost always required but golf cart insurance is not required.

On the other hand, lawsuits are plentiful, especially in Florida.

Yes, we have noticed Florida seems like the Wild West when it comes to litigation, We have policies on most things except for homeowners. We self insure and plan to do the same in Florida.


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