I bet a large number of those 3,300 gas vehicles on the car carrier that burned did explode. Lithium batteries do not easily explode and, since they are metal, rarely catch fire.

But that is entirely beside the point!

100% agree that a lithium battery fire is dangerous. No argument.

Were either the BMW dealership fire or the car carrier fire caused by lithium batteries? Just because lithium batteries were in the vicinity does not mean they were involved or were the cause.

It is possible that some of the EVs were located on the ship such that they were involved in the fire. It is possible that some of the batteries caught fire due to the extreme temperatures they would have been subjected to. This might have extended the duration of the fire. But with two "possible"s and one "might" it is far less than certain that the lithium batteries were a factor.

No but they do allow them on the plane. Try checking in with a 5 gallon can of gas the next time you get on the airplane and see what the FAA says..........:police::mornincoffee:

Lithium battery on jets.
 

The Boeing 787 Dreamliner has two lithium ion batteries used to supply backup power.

This is also happening with the Electric bikes

Gasoline in a vehicle tank being stored in a garage with no action being taken on it is extremely less hazardous than lithium batteries being in a garage hooked up to a charger and charging at a high rate!! But then again, “arguing facts and logic with a liberal is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end”.

Where did gas tanks and garages come from? Only a fool tries to argue when they can't follow the conversation.

NTSB: Used vehicle battery caused weeklong cargo ship fire
Reddit - Dive into anything

regular batteries caused the fires. .

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIeq22UGyn8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIQDhls-A44

lithium ion batteries caused the fires . .

so batteries cause fires, whether lead acid or lithium ion, whether gas or electric. . and since lithium ion is a more dangerous fire, intensity and difficulty putting out, everything will be fine, until it isn't, just like everything else where historically the risk is very, very low, but not zero. Some of use don't like that risk to reward, others play the odds. .

neither are wrong, but one has the opportunity to be very disappointed or inconvenienced. ..

good luck. .

I suspect it was a DIY lithium setup. The EZGO Elite lithium charges a about 0.15C which makes a thermal runaway event near zero likelihood. EZGO has sold over 150,000 Lithium carts. The EV will never replace hydrocarbon propulsion cuz, um, Physics. EV makes sense in products up to about some passenger cars and some delivery vans but does not make sense otherwise. You can not beat a hydrocarbon for motive energy density...And you are not carrying a 100kw bomb underneath you that produces its own oxygen as it burns. EVs can be mobile crematoriums so be careful.

Factoid: If you try to extinguish a lithium battery fire with CO2 smothering, you will just be feeding the flame with oxygen because the energy of the lithium fire is so high that it will break the carbon/oxygen bond. The only way to put it out is douse it with lots of water until it cools to a stop.

New technologies tend to frighten people. Batteries will improve and become safer. In 1900 people were VERY MAD that those "newfangled" automobiles were scaring the horses.

Oh my goodness ! ICE vehicle owners must read !!!


Orlando firefighters combat vehicle fire in downtown - Orlando-News.com

Crews arrived on the scene within 4 minutes of receiving the call. Upon arrival, firefighters ensured that the occupants of the vehicle had safely exited before they rapidly extinguished the fire. An EV would have burned for several hours.

4 minutes !! That’s great . I’m sure that the owner jumped right in and drove it home after the fire was “quickly” extinguished !

There are MANY , MANY more car fires involving ICE vehicles than EV’s …. Probably at least 10 to 1 but you can research that if you’re interested.

Granted , there are MANY, MANY more ICE vehicles than EV’s but guess what ?

The end result is the same ….. both cars will be totaled by the insurance companies………..

The point I was trying to make is that the sky, in fact , is not falling !!!

That is not the point. The point is that it takes several hours for a fire crew to extinguish, can use up to 3,000-8,000 gallons of water, releases highly toxic gas and has a greater tendency to explode. Yes both cars will be totalled but one is far more dangerous. You can research that if you’re interested.

When you do the math , ICE vehicles are far more dangerous and and destructive to the environment than EV’s simply on numbers alone and that’s not even considering the emissions debate !!

There are HUNDREDS of ICE car fires vs a small handful of EV fires YEARLY. So the total man hours spent on extinguishing ICE car fires, water used , toxins from all the plastic in the vehicles exponentially exceed the time spent on extinguishing EV fires. You can research that if you want to ! ;)

EV sales account for 1% of the vehicles on the road and yes you do use water, lots of it. Don't argue with a firefighter.

Yes , that why I edited ! And I've already pointed out the difference in numbers between ICE and EV ‘s !

Don’t argue with a police officer that shows up to allow you nozzle nuts to perform your duties safely ! :)

BTW, it’s more like 20,000 gals to combat an EV fire….. yes , I researched it !! LOL !!!

Or just gets in the way…

Only when necessary !

Thanks for your service, brother.

I have 31 yrs of full time service with the Rochester NY PD and DA’s Office.

How about you ?

Thankfully, gasoline powered equipment and golf carts are immune to fires.

Thankfully, no one said or even suggested such a thing...

err....the fire was quickly extinguished in Orlando. The warning of OP is that a lithium fire is difficult to extinguish causing extreme damage to property. If a lithium battery catches fire in your garage, you are going to lose your entire home. It is a warning for homeowners to be mindful. Make sure your battery is not damaged or leaking, use only the brand of battery recommended by the manufacturer, make certain charger has no faulty wiring. You have a less chance of losing your home if you do these things.

I did remember something with those batteries on some airplanes And wasn’t they grounded cause of those batteries for short time/

How Smartphone Batteries Can Catch Fire—and How to Prevent It | iFixit News
Now we can focus on cell phone fires for a while.

So would that be a "BURNER" phone

Nice!

Progress will be made in batteries for E-vehicles - they will get better and SAFER because there are so many advantages to E-vehicles. One advantage is a lower center of gravity which increases BOTH safety and speed of accelerating and decelerating (braking). There are many fewer moving parts so EVENTUALLY, ELECTRIC VEHICLES will COST less than GAS. An electric motor moves in a circle - gas engine pistons slap around going up and down. There are also other advantages.
........Gasoline is a fire hazard and has exploded on occasion. I don't have the exact statistics, but I would be willing to bet that gasoline vehicles burn down homes at a GREATER rate than E-vehicles.

Good logical post.

personally, I think that the emissions (CO2) of ICE vehicles IS the MOST important thing to discuss. Man-made (from mostly IC engine vehicles) Global Warming IS what is causing RECORD temperatures in Fl and around the world this summer. Each year the record temperatures are predicted by scientists to continue and get WORSE. The main solution is MORE Electric Vehicles and fewer gas vehicles.

Which flavor of Kool-Aid do you prefer?

Don't imagine I could ship a can or plastic jug of gasoline by plane either. But we can store it at home in the garage. Just accept the reminder that batteries, like gas, can cause fires. Thank you!

I could ask what flavor of Global Warming coral reef destruction do some people prefer?

The earth evolves. If it didn't, we'd still have dinosaurs. Oh wait ... we still have some and many have retired in TV.

Myself, I like grape

Kool aid

OK the earth evolves to a certain extent. The problem IS MAN-MADE global warming, which IS happening so fast in the last 10 years that it has surprised climate scientists. CO2 from IC car and truck engines ends up in the upper atmosphere and reflects HEAT. It IS man-made. Take a look at a graph of world population growth - it shows a HUGE, rapid increase since 1950. There are so many people on earth that are putting out pollution that it DOES affect the earth's climate - thus MAN-MADE global warming. The oceans have risen greatly during the last 10 years. The coral reefs are dying. Animal species are dying because they can't adapt to the HEAT in their region.
.........Anyone who takes the time to READ even a little about Global Warming will get an understanding and be alarmed. Many people in The Villages will live for another 30 years. During that time the ocean will rise enough that an average of several miles of coast and homes and buildings will be underwater. Some smart people are already selling their beachside homes in Fl.
.........We have a hurricane coming toward us right now That will be MUCH STRONGER because of the RECORD HEAT in the Gulf. That's NOT just me talking, it is all over the weather channels. And Yes, they will use the term - Global Warming. Big hurricanes last year and RECORD HEAT in the Gulf - isn't it getting hard to ignore?

That's VERY CUTE, but there is very little there, there!

What about all of the NATURAL OCCURRING CO2 (which makes up more than 95% of the atmospheric CO2)? Humans are only responsible for about 4%...

Oh man I read all this and think some of the folks here don't know Jack. If they did, ol' Dr Jack could end all of this nonsense and stop the human effects of this global warming.

So My advice for the folks that are upset about the Human Invervention and impacts of the humans on the environment. Follow what Dr Jack started and do your part to take the iniative yourself to end this. DO YOUR PART! Start by looking within and have the courage to save your fellow man.

Oh and if you don't know Jack, his last name starts with Ka and ends with Vorkian