Originally Posted by TomPerry (Post 2249613)

Gasoline in a vehicle tank being stored in a garage with no action being taken on it is extremely less hazardous than lithium batteries being in a garage hooked up to a charger and charging at a high rate!! But then again, “arguing facts and logic with a liberal is like trying to pick up a turd by the clean end”.

Originally Posted by Bill14564 (Post 2249477)

There is certainly an increased risk with lithium vs lead batteries but is there an increased risk with batteries in EVs vs gasoline in cars? The statistics in the article show that fires happen, even on ships not carrying cars. Fires do happen on car carriers, though this article that seems to be implying that lithium batteries are dangerous doesn't provide statistics to show that lithium batteries were involved.

While correlation does not prove causation, the information in the article does not even show correlation.

I am not ready to give up my electric cart or my electric hedge trimmer or my e-bike (if I owned one) because one of 13 car carriers that burned had an EV onboard (500 out of 3800) or because there was a fire on at a BMW dealership and some BMWs are EVs (did they even have vehicles on the 3rd floor?).

Be aware? Yes. Be concerned? Maybe. Avoid EVs and other e-stuff because of batteries? Not at this point.

Originally Posted by bcsnave (Post 2248959)

Oh my, Jacksonville fire dept issues warnings June 2023

Lithium batteries in golf cart spark fire that destroys E-Town home, firefighters say

Originally Posted by jarodrig (Post 2249846)

Oh mi goodness ! ICE vehicle owners must read !!!


Orlando firefighters combat vehicle fire in downtown - Orlando-News.com

Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 2249853)

Crews arrived on the scene within 4 minutes of receiving the call. Upon arrival, firefighters ensured that the occupants of the vehicle had safely exited before they rapidly extinguished the fire. An EV would have burned for several hours.

Originally Posted by jarodrig (Post 2249857)

4 minutes !! That’s great . I’m sure that the owner jumped right in and drove it home after the fire was “quickly” extinguished !

There are MANY , MANY more car fires involving ICE vehicles than EV’s …. Probably at least 10 to 1 but you can research that if you’re interested.

Granted , there are MANY, MANY more ICE vehicles than EV’s but guess what ?

The end result is the same ….. both cars will be totaled by the insurance companies………..

The point I was trying to make is that the sky, in fact , is not falling !!!

Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 2249905)

That is not the point. The point is that it takes several hours for a fire crew to extinguish, can use up to 3,000-8,000 gallons of water, releases highly toxic gas and has a greater tendency to explode. Yes both cars will be totalled but one is far more dangerous. You can research that if you’re interested.

Originally Posted by jarodrig (Post 2249912)

When you do the math , ICE vehicles are far more dangerous and and destructive to the environment than EV’s simply on numbers alone and that’s not even considering the emissions debate !!

There are HUNDREDS of ICE car fires vs a small handful of EV fires YEARLY. So the total man hours spent on extinguishing ICE car fires, water used , toxins from all the plastic in the vehicles exponentially exceed the time spent on extinguishing EV fires. You can research that if you want to ! ;)

BTW, you DON’T use water to extinguish lithium battery fires so the water use you suggested is a moot point ! You can ALSO research that if you’re interested !! ;)

Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 2249915)

EV sales account for 1% of the vehicles on the road and yes you do use water, lots of it. Don't argue with a firefighter.

Originally Posted by jarodrig (Post 2249919)

Yes , that why I edited ! And I've already pointed out the difference in numbers between ICE and EV ‘s !

Don’t argue with a police officer that shows up to allow you nozzle nuts to perform your duties safely ! :)

BTW, it’s more like 20,000 gals to combat an EV fire….. yes , I researched it !! LOL !!!

Originally Posted by oldtimes (Post 2249923)

Or just gets in the way…

Originally Posted by dhdallas (Post 2249166)

Another "Nervous Nellie". I have 4 e-bikes with Lithium Ion batteries, an electric golf cart with Lithium Ion and a bunch of power tools that run on the same. My next car will run on Lithium Ion batteries. There are better things to worry about for those of you who seem to love to worry. Don't forget to look up every once in a while, I heard the sky is falling. Oh my!

Originally Posted by BrianL99 (Post 2249931)

Thankfully, gasoline powered equipment and golf carts are immune to fires.