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l2ridehd 08-15-2011 08:23 PM

Larry, if everyone thinks the cost of gas at $12 to $15 a week and batteries every 4 years at $600 is the cost of electric, I now understand the confusion. Ask them to track ALL the cost. Don't let them ignore the cost of plugging the cart in every night. Everyone says "I don't notice any increase in my electric bill" is the biggest bunch of BS you will ever hear.

There are many added costs to running a cart and you need to consider them all to get an accurate picture. I have 3 years worth of data with carts in rental units. Electric is more expensive. Anyone who says different I want to meet and sell them stocks. I will make a killing.

I really like my electric cart. But not because it costs less. It does not.

chuckinca 08-15-2011 09:02 PM

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Originally Posted by collie1228 (Post 382409)
I have to question to the statement: "Electric golf carts are emission free, and therefore better for the environment, which is also one of their biggest selling points". Emissions free? Where does all that electricity come from? Fact (from the U.S. Dept of Energy): "The nation's fleet of over 100 coal plants is responsible for 57 percent of the electricity generated in the U.S., more than any other single electricity fuel source." The statement that electric carts are "emissions free" is simply not accurate, and the facts are more complicated than the simplistic statement that an electric cart is "better for the environment".


Coal Plant emissions are much much cleaner than then were 40 years ago.


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collie1228 08-15-2011 09:29 PM

The statement was made that electric carts are "emissions free". Maybe the cart itself is, but the source of its energy is not. I love electric carts, but they may not be more environmentally friendly.

Jim Straz 08-15-2011 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 382423)
Larry, if everyone thinks the cost of gas at $12 to $15 a week and batteries every 4 years at $600 is the cost of electric, I now understand the confusion. Ask them to track ALL the cost. Don't let them ignore the cost of plugging the cart in every night. Everyone says "I don't notice any increase in my electric bill" is the biggest bunch of BS you will ever hear.

There are many added costs to running a cart and you need to consider them all to get an accurate picture. I have 3 years worth of data with carts in rental units. Electric is more expensive. Anyone who says different I want to meet and sell them stocks. I will make a killing.

I really like my electric cart. But not because it costs less. It does not.

This data is for a Prius car.

Electric .03 per mile-vs-Gas .09-.13 per mile

How much will the electricity cost? The Prius conversion requires around 300 watt hours per mile driven. To determine how much you will spend on electricity, check your electric bill and see how much you pay per kilowatt hour. Multiply that amount by .3 (that's "point three") to determine your electric cost per mile. In 2006, the U.S. the average cost of electricity was $.0986 (that's 9.86 cents) per kilowatt hour so the cost per mile based on this average would be three cents per mile.

How does this compare to the cost of gasoline? Toyota states the combined (city/highway average) MPG for the Prius is 46 miles per gallon. As of October 2007, gasoline was between $2.37 (lowest) and $3.69 (highest) per gallon. This means the Prius gasoline cost per mile is between $.05 and $.08 per mile. If you drive the U.S. "average" car (based on 2007 CAFE fuel economy average of 27.5 miles per gallon) your gasoline cost per mile is between $.09 and $.13.

Trish Crocker 08-15-2011 10:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Pturner (Post 332638)
Great minds think alike. I was going to post that, no, in addition to ranges, you can buy washers and dryers in gas. :ohdear:

I thought it was about the buffalo "Home, home on the range":rolleyes:

Bill-n-Brillo 08-15-2011 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jim Straz (Post 382444)
This data is for a Prius car.

Electric .03 per mile-vs-Gas .09-.13 per mile

How much will the electricity cost? The Prius conversion requires around 300 watt hours per mile driven. To determine how much you will spend on electricity, check your electric bill and see how much you pay per kilowatt hour. Multiply that amount by .3 (that's "point three") to determine your electric cost per mile. In 2006, the U.S. the average cost of electricity was $.0986 (that's 9.86 cents) per kilowatt hour so the cost per mile based on this average would be three cents per mile.

How does this compare to the cost of gasoline? Toyota states the combined (city/highway average) MPG for the Prius is 46 miles per gallon. As of October 2007, gasoline was between $2.37 (lowest) and $3.69 (highest) per gallon. This means the Prius gasoline cost per mile is between $.05 and $.08 per mile. If you drive the U.S. "average" car (based on 2007 CAFE fuel economy average of 27.5 miles per gallon) your gasoline cost per mile is between $.09 and $.13.

Jim, would it be fair to also factor in the life expectancy/cost of a replacement battery pack on the Prius - - - as well as the same for the battery on a conventional car (to help keep things equal)?

Bill :)

CMANN 08-15-2011 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by l2ridehd (Post 382423)
Larry, if everyone thinks the cost of gas at $12 to $15 a week and batteries every 4 years at $600 is the cost of electric, I now understand the confusion. Ask them to track ALL the cost. Don't let them ignore the cost of plugging the cart in every night. Everyone says "I don't notice any increase in my electric bill" is the biggest bunch of BS you will ever hear.

There are many added costs to running a cart and you need to consider them all to get an accurate picture. I have 3 years worth of data with carts in rental units. Electric is more expensive. Anyone who says different I want to meet and sell them stocks. I will make a killing.

I really like my electric cart. But not because it costs less. It does not.

I have been tracking my gas cart since we got it. On avg, 5-6 rounds of golf per week. We use it any time that we do not need to use the car. It is very active. It uses 1.25 gallons per week.

Opinion: Unless you have a personal preferance, buy a gas cart. Less maint. Mor reliable.

Jim Straz 08-16-2011 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 382464)
Jim, would it be fair to also factor in the life expectancy/cost of a replacement battery pack on the Prius - - - as well as the same for the battery on a conventional car (to help keep things equal)?

Bill :)

The quotes I've got from two sellers is the same; $800 for eight six volt Trojan T105's.
I have a lawn tractor here in the mountains and I regularly fill my 5 gallon gas can up and fuel the mower.

There's an occasional spill, the odor, the noise, the fumes. If I could just plug it into the wall outlet I'd be thrilled. There's always the chance the gas may be outlawed one day. I'm going electric for the convenience, and even if it does cost more I feel safer not handling the gas anymore.

Bill-n-Brillo 08-16-2011 05:31 AM

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Originally Posted by rubicon (Post 382350)
I am waiting to buy a hybrid golf cart:D

Rubicon, here's your next golf cart!!

http://www.ezgo.com/Exceed.html

Interesting - you can also retrofit the kit onto existing carts of the same models noted.

Bill :)

Jim Straz 08-16-2011 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Bill-n-Brillo (Post 382484)
Rubicon, here's your next golf cart!!

http://www.ezgo.com/Exceed.html

Interesting - you can also retrofit the kit onto existing carts of the same models noted.

Bill :)

How about Solar and Wind?

http://www.articleclick.com/Article/...hichle/1029244

ajbrown 08-16-2011 06:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Jim Straz (Post 382444)
This data is for a Prius car.

Electric .03 per mile-vs-Gas .09-.13 per mile

How much will the electricity cost? The Prius conversion requires around 300 watt hours per mile driven. To determine how much you will spend on electricity, check your electric bill and see how much you pay per kilowatt hour. Multiply that amount by .3 (that's "point three") to determine your electric cost per mile. In 2006, the U.S. the average cost of electricity was $.0986 (that's 9.86 cents) per kilowatt hour so the cost per mile based on this average would be three cents per mile.

How does this compare to the cost of gasoline? Toyota states the combined (city/highway average) MPG for the Prius is 46 miles per gallon. As of October 2007, gasoline was between $2.37 (lowest) and $3.69 (highest) per gallon. This means the Prius gasoline cost per mile is between $.05 and $.08 per mile. If you drive the U.S. "average" car (based on 2007 CAFE fuel economy average of 27.5 miles per gallon) your gasoline cost per mile is between $.09 and $.13.

Check this post out as it relates to cost for electric "fuel". Maybe elevatorman has done more testing since that post.

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/fo...9&postcount=26

Assuming the numbers from the above post are accurate, it costs $1.74 to charge the cart after 70 miles of usage (10 miles/day) which is 2.5 cents per mile. Seems to match up with everything else I have read. Now factor in $200 - $250 per year for batteries and it starts to become a wash IMO. In fact, take care of the battery pack and make them last 4+ years I think electric starts to move ahead.

I live on the edge of wrong, but not sure what I am missing here?

PS. When I return, I will borrow a kilowatt meter and measure my packs exact charge requirements. One pack is 4 years old (6-8v) and one pack is 2 years old (8-6v).


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