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rdhdleo 10-08-2013 10:02 AM
Just be careful when using any additive, friends used what the Yamaha dealer they went to said to use and a couple years later had to have a $300 overhaul on the engine done. The dealer said to use the stuff the technician said not to! Also make sure it is ok to use on the new EFI gas carts, which is what we have it should not be needed. Our 1 year old Yamaha EFI gas cart runs great without anything but then also it doesn't sit it is used a lot almost everyday!

Rango 10-14-2013 01:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Easyrider (Post 759304)
Now that's a truly good and reasonable suggestion, why not ban cars too.... :MOJE_whot:

....and gas powered lawn mowers, weed trimmers, blowers, generators............

94blaze 10-18-2013 03:57 AM
I use a product called startron made by starbrite which is on marine aisle at your locally walmart. Its great for keeping gas from going bad due to the ethanol and moisture that can accumulate in the tank. Around 9$.. I need to research this flavored smelling fuel treatment.

Barefoot 10-18-2013 08:15 AM
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Originally Posted by Easyrider (Post 759304)
Now that's a truly good and reasonable suggestion, why not ban cars too
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Originally Posted by Rango (Post 762680)
....and gas powered lawn mowers, weed trimmers, blowers, generators............
We haven't followed any cars or lawn mowers or generators through a tunnel. And that's where the smells are really bad. :evil6:

There are owners who are passionate about gas carts due to range, and other preferring clean air that buy electric. Both sides can hurl golf balls at each other all day long ... I doubt anyone will have a change of heart.

kittygilchrist 10-18-2013 08:23 AM
MAINTAINING YOUR GAS GOLF CART
ok, I did a 10 second search and will use higher octane from now on...

Bill-n-Brillo 10-18-2013 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 764514)
There are owners who are passionate about gas carts due to range, and other preferring clean air that buy electric. Both sides can hurl golf balls at each other all day long ... I doubt anyone will have a change of heart.
Ditto.

Bill :)

NoMoSno 10-18-2013 09:21 AM
I wonder if auto traffic contributes to some of the tunnel smell.
Fumes tend to settle to the lowest spots.(of course carbon monoxide is odorless)
Wonder if a simple venting system could be installed in the busier tunnels?...

graciegirl 10-18-2013 10:11 AM
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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 764546)
I wonder if auto traffic contributes to some of the tunnel smell.
Fumes tend to settle to the lowest spots.(of course carbon monoxide is odorless)
Wonder if a simple venting system could be installed in the busier tunnels?...
That would use a lot of energy. I hold my breath.

Easyrider 10-18-2013 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 764514)
We haven't followed any cars or lawn mowers or generators through a tunnel. And that's where the smells are really bad.

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As I said, go out and grab yourself a new gas cart and you won't always be the one behind the other carts in the tunnels, and you'll never go back..:D

Easyrider 10-18-2013 01:46 PM
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Originally Posted by NoMoSno (Post 764546)
I wonder if auto traffic contributes to some of the tunnel smell.
Fumes tend to settle to the lowest spots.(of course carbon monoxide is odorless)
Wonder if a simple venting system could be installed in the busier tunnels?...
They are totally open on both ends and they are a minimal length so having any kind of air movement system would be a hugh cost for such a small area.

jdsl1998 10-18-2013 02:36 PM
When we bought our house 5 years ago, we bought a used gas cart. We still have the cart. We hope it lasts until we can buy a solar powered cart with electric backup. When we bought our cart, gas was all we knew. Being non-golfers, we went with what we knew. I think a lot of the carts in The Villages will be replaced with Electric and or Solar in the future.

Easyrider 10-18-2013 10:54 PM
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Originally Posted by jdsl1998 (Post 764697)
I think a lot of the carts in The Villages will be replaced with Electric and or Solar in the future.
Never happen, gas carts outnumber electric many times over...

Sydney 10-19-2013 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Rango (Post 762680)
....and gas powered lawn mowers, weed trimmers, blowers, generators............
I agree, I use a battery powered edger/trimmer and blower, electric mower and hedge trimmer, keeps that tunnel smell out of my garage.

:duck::throwtomatoes:

:thumbup:

Barefoot 10-19-2013 06:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Easyrider (Post 759454)

Hey guys, go out and grab yourself a new gas cart and you won't always be the one behind the other carts, and you'll never go back..:1rotfl:
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Originally Posted by Easyrider (Post 764683)
As I said, go out and grab yourself a new gas cart and you won't always be the one behind the other carts in the tunnels, and you'll never go back..:D
:yuck: This idea might be more appealing after a coffee. :mornincoffee: Nope, still not a good idea!

graciegirl 10-19-2013 07:52 AM
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Originally Posted by jdsl1998 (Post 764697)
When we bought our house 5 years ago, we bought a used gas cart. We still have the cart. We hope it lasts until we can buy a solar powered cart with electric backup. When we bought our cart, gas was all we knew. Being non-golfers, we went with what we knew. I think a lot of the carts in The Villages will be replaced with Electric and or Solar in the future.
Just like flat screen TV's. They will become cheaper and better eventually and more effective and dependable too. The Solar Powered golf carts. And then everyone will have one. Life marches on. For now I like my gas cart. Sweetie likes his electric cart.

Golfingnut 10-20-2013 02:07 PM
There are things you can do to help with both the smell and the noise, but the bottom line is, gas carts sound like old army tanks and stink terrible. I would pay ten times the amount to enjoy our clean quiet ride in our electric cat. Thing is, it does not cost any more or very little more, so it's a no brainier for us. STINK VS CLEAN AIR And NOISE VS QUIET. There is a claim that you can go farther on a tank of gas than a daily elec. charge. THAT IS TRUE. BUT, go out and drive any cart for 50 miles and I assure you it will be time to get out of the cart be it gas or electric.:spoken:

justjim 10-20-2013 08:20 PM
Golf cart batteries---"a ticking time bomb". I've heard that batteries have started fires in TV garages ----in at least one case burned the house completely down.

Not to scare any of you electric cart people (I have one of each) but proper battery and battery charger maintenance is very important---your cart, garage and even your house may depend on you properly putting water into those batteries. A battery charger that malfunctions and doesn't shut off can fuel a fire too.

Golfingnut 10-21-2013 04:07 AM
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Originally Posted by KeepingItReal (Post 765923)
Doesn't take long to travel 50 miles in the Villages now plus playing a round of golf. A gas cart will go the same speed on the last mile as the first mile not to mention not having to crawl up the hills.

Lots of dangers in dealing with cart batteries too. Doesn't matter to me what cart anyone chooses but we need to tell the whole story. Distilled water is fairly expensive in large amounts and sulfuric electrolyte dripping on the garage floor and driveway is not too good either.

Golf Cart Batteries: Is Yours A Ticking Time Bomb?

The danger with golf cart batteries is that many require that distilled water constantly be added to keep the leaded plates submerged in the battery's sulfuric electrolyte. The other factor in this equation is that most owners don't realize that their golf cart batteries need this type of constant attention. The average cart is powered by lead acid batteries which are positioned underneath the seat. It isn't uncommon to fold back the seat of the cart and find all 6 batteries desperately in need of fluid.

When batteries run dry, they can smoke and even explode. With each battery packing the explosive power of a grenade, the potential danger is a real threat. In order to prevent this, it is essential to check your golf cart batteries on a regular basis. First, there should be no corrosive phosphorus should be growing around the terminals.

Next, you'll need to remove the caps and check the water level. The water level in your batteries should be just below the filler cap's opening, if it's too low, use a funnel to fill with distilled water only. If your golf cart batteries are completely dry, you should probably take them for maintenance. If levels get too low and remain low, there is a chance that the battery won't hold a charge or that it could be a potential fire hazard.

If you're using wet cell batteries, be sure to develop-and stick to-a regular maintenance program. The odds are fairly low that one of your golf cart batteries will explode under your seat, but more likely than that of the largely publicized Sony laptop battery. More common is that you can dramatically shorten the life of your wet battery without proper care and maintenance.


Wet-cell Batteries | Learn About Chemicals Around Your House | Pesticides | US EPA

Wet-Cell Batteries:
What are they?

Wet-cell batteries are used in cars, trucks, tractors and other motor vehicles to provide the spark to start the vehicle.
What's in them?

Wet-cell batteries contain lead and a solution of sulfuric acid.

What health and safety precautions do you need to think about with wet-cell batteries?

When activated, the electrolyte solution in the battery produces explosive gases which are easily ignited. Manufacturers of batteries containing sulfuric acid must use labels which warn consumers of the dangers from battery acid and accumulated gases. Sulfuric acid is extremely caustic, which means it burns. Fumes are strongly irritating and contact can cause burning and charring of the skin; it can cause blindness if you get it in your eyes. Lead is poisonous in all forms and accumulates in our bodies and in the environment.
Well thought out article with important information. I am such a neat freak and maintenance nut, that these things do not apply to me; however, your caution to folks that are NOT dillegent in their maintenance of their cart would be much safer with a gas cart.

jimbo2012 10-21-2013 07:22 AM
Gas carts have a battery too!

As far as a house burning down in one case the attic door was open, if closed the fire would have been contained probably.

In that same case there were two chargers going so it's hard to say exactly what the cause was.

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Originally Posted by Frank7 (Post 593077)
I was part of an investigation of a recent fire of a Village home. The demolition team was accompanied by insurance engineers and investigators. The remainds
Of the cart Removed piece by piece while photos were taken.
It was explained to us that the house caretaker had plugged in the cart charger that morning knowing the owner would be ariving that day and it was possible that the separate low amp charger was also present. That combination could have cause the spark that ingnited the hydrogen gas produced by all wet cell lead acid batteries.
The pull down staircase was open to the garage attic for ventilation and the fire spread throughout the structure very fast and the house was destroyed.
To answer your question all lead acid batteries produce hydrogen gas and no MFG is better than anouther in this case.
Sta Rite Golf Cart
Just check your batteries once a month.

We know there are tens of thousands of elec carts here, we don't see fires every day.

I think this battery fire risk is unfounded for the most part and just a way some owners of gas carts justify their choice. There are risks with gas carts too as well as your toaster and many other house hold items.

jimbo2012 10-21-2013 07:38 AM
Gas cart stats

2002: A Club Car gasoline model; 7,300 units sold February-April 2002 for $4,000-$9,000. The fuel tank could leak, posing a fire hazard. By October 2003, the company had received 10 reports of leaks but no injuries.

2005: E-Z-Go gasoline models; 60,000 units sold from 2002-2005 for $6,400-$8,000. “High engine temperatures can permit fuel to get into the air filter box, posing a risk of fire.” As of 2005, there were 12 reports of fires.

July 19, 2012: Five Club Car gasoline models; about 800 units sold March-May 2012 for $5,000-$7,000. The fuel hose could separate from the tank. The model numbers recalled were updated in February 2013. By then, there had been three reports of hose separations, with no reported injuries.

Sept. 9, 2012: 19 Club Car gasoline models; about 4,000 units told April-Jue 2012 for $5,000-$17,000. The model numbers recalled were updated in January 2013. The fuel tank filler neck could crack and allow gasoline to leak. There have been 10 reports of cracks, with no fires or injuries.

:22yikes:

JP 10-21-2013 07:50 AM
Part of the problem with gas golf carts is there is so little competition or dare I say government regulation, so there is very little incentive to really improve the motor and make it less smelly and more fuel efficient.

I bet if you asked Honda to design a great engine/golf cart that was still reasonable to buy, and gave them the money to do it, you would get an exceptional golf cart that would be hands above anything currently available for us to buy.

philnpat 10-21-2013 11:17 AM
[QUOTE=jimbo2012;766095]Gas carts have batteries too!

Wasn't aware gas carts had more than one battery! :D

Barefoot 10-21-2013 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Golfingnut (Post 765781)
..... the bottom line is, gas carts sound like old army tanks and stink terrible. I would pay ten times the amount to enjoy our clean quiet ride in our electric cat. Thing is, it does not cost any more or very little more, so it's a no brainier for us. STINK VS CLEAN AIR And NOISE VS QUIET.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 766095)
I think this battery fire risk is unfounded for the most part and just a way some owners of gas carts justify their choice. There are risks with gas carts too as well as your toaster and many other house hold items.
:gc: I know we've beat this subject to death. The gas versus electric debate will rage on until we all convert to solar! But I couldn't resist snipping and referencing the above posts, because ... :agree:

jimbo2012 10-21-2013 12:16 PM
[quote=philnpat;766247]
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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 766095)
Gas carts have batteries too!

Wasn't aware gas carts had more than one battery! :D
Thanks for the pointing our a grammar error.


Gas carts have a battery too!

Peachie 10-21-2013 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 766264)
:gc: I know we've beat this subject to death. The gas versus electric debate will rage on until we all convert to solar! But I couldn't resist snipping and referencing the above posts, because ... :agree:

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Originally Posted by Golfingnut View Post
..... the bottom line is, gas carts sound like old army tanks and stink terrible. I would pay ten times the amount to enjoy our clean quiet ride in our electric cat. Thing is, it does not cost any more or very little more, so it's a no brainier for us. STINK VS CLEAN AIR And NOISE VS QUIET.


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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 View Post
I think this battery fire risk is unfounded for the most part and just a way some owners of gas carts justify their choice. There are risks with gas carts too as well as your toaster and many other house hold items.
I know we've beat this subject to death. The gas versus electric debate will rage on until we all convert to solar! But I couldn't resist snipping and referencing the above posts, because ...
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Bare, I know you think that the links on here providing proof there is a hydrogen problem associated with electric golf cart parties that may cause fires far more readily with an electric vs gas cart are phony claims but you must realize electricity does not fall out of the sky to charge those batteries.

Coal mines scar many areas that have been mined and then you have the extremely noisy, polluting trains that run constantly past The Villages moving coal to the power plants to provide that electricity needed for the electric carts. You also have the used, numerous batteries to contend with for disposal.

As you said, this subject has been beat to death. I have no problem with electric cart owners even though they pollute and cause noise indirectly. I encourage people to drive what makes them happy and go play. No one's mind is being changed here and I think there are many of us that will jump on the "nonpolluting solar bandwagon" if and when it is a VIABLE solution.

jimbo2012 10-21-2013 01:09 PM
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Originally Posted by Peachie (Post 766301)
numerous batteries to contend with for disposal.
Batteries are the most recyclable item of all, lead is something like 98 or 99% re-cycled.

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on the "nonpolluting solar bandwagon" if and when it is a VIABLE solution.
it is!

Easyrider 10-21-2013 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 View Post
I think this battery fire risk is unfounded for the most part and just a way some owners of gas carts justify their choice.
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No reason to try and bash gas carts and no reason to justify a choice of a gas cart if there is no profit to be made by doing it. It is hard to take this as non biased and being totally objective from a source hoping to make some $$ on electric/solar carts.

jimbo2012 10-21-2013 01:28 PM
The subject of this thread is gas carts smell, agree?

read post #63 gas carts are not immune from risks.

Well for me to have an opinion that elec and or elec & solar is viable option is my position, which I can post herein.

On the other hand you can choose not to read my posts.

It's all about choices.

Easyrider 10-21-2013 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 766333)
The subject of this thread is gas carts smell, agree?

read post #63 gas carts are not immune from risks.

Well for me to have an opinion that elec and or elec & solar is viable option is my position, which I can post herein.

On the other hand you can choose not to read my posts.

It's all about choices.
Never heard of a car dealer that didn't think their brand was the best which is fine but they shouldn't bash the other brands thinking it will make theirs look better.:D

mrf6969 11-12-2013 01:46 PM
All Yamaha gas carts are a sealed tank. While the cart sits in the garage you should have NO gas oder. Walk into The Villages golf cart store and you will only smell tires. Most of their carts are gas and you Do NOT small any gas at all.

jimbo2012 11-12-2013 01:55 PM
But those are brand spanking new, there are documented failures.

Also been there when they drove one in the showroom, the fumes could knock you over

Barefoot 11-12-2013 02:30 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 766333)
The subject of this thread is gas carts smell, agree? read post #63 gas carts are not immune from risks.
Well for me to have an opinion that elec and or elec & solar is viable option is my position, which I can post herein.
I like to hear what Jimbo has to say about Solar. I hope that soon it will be a viable option for all of us.

jimbo2012 11-12-2013 03:05 PM
Well I thought I did state my view on solar, it works fine.

Please ask me what you would like to know.

glgene 11-12-2013 03:23 PM
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Originally Posted by cordenny (Post 757650)
We have a Yamaha EFI gas cart on order. We have always driven an electric cart.
I am concerned about the smell of gas. Are there any fuel additives to use? Any suggestions for the garage?
I would appreciate any reccommendations.
We bought a 2013 Yamaha EFI gas cart a few months ago. NO gas odor. 200+ miles per tank fill. No battery-related anxieties. But yes, the electric cart makes less noise. It's all about priorities...YOUR priorities.

Gene & Kathy

jimbo2012 11-12-2013 03:42 PM
Gene it is priorities and choices

but I can't agree there is no smell, all combustion engines have an exhaust that smells, drive behind one or in tunnel.

Those fumes are very much there.

glgene 11-12-2013 04:18 PM
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Originally Posted by jimbo2012 (Post 779131)
Gene it is priorities and choices

but I can't agree there is no smell, all combustion engines have an exhaust that smells, drive behind one or in tunnel.

Those fumes are very much there.
Jimbo,

Kathy has a "super sniffer" and our Yamaha EFI gas cart engine doesn't bother her one iota. Previous gas cart rentals did, big time. I guess it's the magic of EFI, or something like that.

Have a good day! Always enjoy your posts, Jimbo.

Gene (& Kathy)

Gardenia1 11-12-2013 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by ijusluvit (Post 757717)
The 'smell' of a gas cart is most often mentioned as a 'problem' by owners of electric carts who wish they had bought a gas cart.

:popcorn:
Too funny.....You hit the nail on the head.....

Djembe dude 11-12-2013 04:56 PM
When cigarette/cigar smoking is banned in the villages, then I will change to an electric cart. until then just hold your breath.

McP1605 11-12-2013 06:04 PM
You all crack me up! I've only been on TOTV for two months and these gas vs. electric posts must get the most replies! And, they are always the same... gas owners love their carts, electric owners love their carts! What we need is a HYBRID golf cart... maybe that would be the answer!

kittygilchrist 11-12-2013 06:09 PM
my cat likes the smell of a sock. I don't know what to do with him.


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