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Two Bills 01-13-2019 11:29 AM

Our house is in a very live and let live area. (Not on The Hysterical side, that area is a law unto itself.)
Dogs, but only in two's as far as I have seen, a few biggies, and a real soft Pitbull, at least two businesses being run from home, white crosses, Sand Crane garden ornaments ( no pink flamingos yet) and various other infringements, but we all get on and turn the proverbial blind eye.
Works well for us.

Nizolak1979 02-20-2019 01:07 PM

Like most posters here have said, it really depends on your neighbors. Community Standards will only come knocking if someone reports you. I know this from personal experience. I had some glass flower sculptures in my landscaping - a deed compliance violation based on one, poorly defined sentence in the deed. over 40% of my community has brass birds, whirligigs, concrete statues in their yards. I asked Community Standards why we were being singled out and she replied, "Because someone complained and we are complaint, not compliance driven." So, if you are on good terms with your neighbors and the dogs are well behaved, you should be okay.

Rapscallion St Croix 02-20-2019 01:14 PM

I strictly adhere to all rules and thus have the world's most boring ant farm.

OrangeBlossomBaby 02-20-2019 04:04 PM

You already have two, and are hoping to intentionally break the rules to bring in a third. You know that's against the rules, and we know you know it, because you told us you know it. Rescue animals deserve better than to be taken by someone who has an emotional attachment to rescuing animals, only to have to be moved again - or euthanized - because that person is caught breaking the rules and has to abide by the consequences. I would never do that to an animal.

sunburn 02-20-2019 06:42 PM

Gosh Barney, what village are you in? :-)

villagetinker 02-20-2019 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rapscallion St Croix (Post 1626474)
I strictly adhere to all rules and thus have the world's most boring ant farm.

I have never seen an ant farm with just TWO ants! :1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

Barefoot 02-20-2019 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1615300)
I think you will spare yourself a lot of possible heartache if you just enjoy the two you have.

:agree:

Challenger 02-21-2019 05:07 AM

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Originally Posted by dewilson58 (Post 1614178)
All depends on crabby neighbors.





:pray:

all depends on behavior of dogs and if the owners are responsible. ie: Noise, excrement, deportment (of dogs and owners).

JimJohnson 02-21-2019 06:42 AM

I have one rescue and devote all my love and attention to the one. Over my lifetime we have had two at the same time and found that a single dog is happier than two. I think with cats, two is better than one, but dogs do better alone with the humans.

Rules:
1. Always get a rescue.
2. Always spay or neuter.
3. Always use Vet services.

Bogie Shooter 02-21-2019 07:08 AM

What? Only three rules...……………...

biker1 02-21-2019 07:25 AM

There was an article in The Daily Sun a year or so ago about a couple with 3 Great Danes. While it is possible that they lived in a Villages that does not have a 2 pet maximum in the deed restrictions, assuming there are such Villages, I suspect that wasn’t the case. Regardless, I believe the pet maximum is an “inside the house” restriction and those are enforced by the Developer and not Community Standards. Someone please post otherwise if they know this is not true.


Quote:

Originally Posted by TonysMom (Post 1614173)
I just moved here and have two small dogs; I would love to rescue a dog but would be in violation. Is this rule strictly enforced? Is there a chance it might be changed? There are so many dogs out there needing a loving home.


Bogie Shooter 02-21-2019 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by biker1 (Post 1626610)
There was an article in The Daily Sun a year or so ago about a couple with 3 Great Danes. While it is possible that they lived in a Villages that does not have a 2 pet maximum in the deed restrictions, assuming there are such Villages, I suspect that wasn’t the case. Regardless, I believe the pet maximum is an “inside the house” restriction and those are enforced by the Developer and not Community Standards. Someone please post otherwise if they know this is not true.


Someone
at Community standards can factually answer your question.
Community Standards
Phone: 352-751-3912

biker1 02-21-2019 09:56 AM

I don’t have a dog in this fight so I have no interests in calling Community Standards. If you are “someone”, please feel free to update us.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1626675)

Someone
at Community standards can factually answer your question.
Community Standards
Phone: 352-751-3912


thetruth 02-21-2019 01:41 PM

People
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by papasetti82 (Post 1615318)
How do you decide which rules are OK for you to break?
This question also is for all of those that give suggestions for ways to skirt the rules.

Have you not noticed that no matter what the issue is people honestly think rules that restrict them are simply wrong. Rules that control things they do not do are not strictly enforced enough.

You will see this same thought on soooo many things. Landscaping, golf cart speeds, young people, relentless parties,
garage sales, motorcycles, dogs, surely I missed a few.

I only wish we were all as perfect as we seem to think we are.

thetruth 02-21-2019 02:09 PM

My opinion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Nizolak1979 (Post 1626469)
Like most posters here have said, it really depends on your neighbors. Community Standards will only come knocking if someone reports you. I know this from personal experience. I had some glass flower sculptures in my landscaping - a deed compliance violation based on one, poorly defined sentence in the deed. over 40% of my community has brass birds, whirligigs, concrete statues in their yards. I asked Community Standards why we were being singled out and she replied, "Because someone complained and we are complaint, not compliance driven." So, if you are on good terms with your neighbors and the dogs are well behaved, you should be okay.

I'm sure this will start a bunch of trouble but my view is that I do not like these anonymous reports. Our legal system says you have the right to face your accuser.

Our neighbor hired a landscaper. There are rules, how far from the property line it needs to be etc. I spoke to him before the job was completed. He spoke to the landscaper and the landscaper refused to correct it. Truth be told he swore, threatened me etc. I told the contractor I was calling the Community Standards. They handled it very well. First they discovered the landscaper had not filed a plan. Secondly he was as I thought in violation. They told my neighbor not to pay him until the corrections were made, he filed a proper plan etc.
My neighbor later told me that he found out the landscaper was arrested for ???????

Neighbor issues can really get out of hand. Not the villages-not even in Florida, I knew a guy who had a tree. The tree had been there for 15-20 years. Someone voiced a complaint. He was sued by the Community Standards. He dug in. Last I heard about it, it was years ago, he had spent about 20,000 in legal bills. On this case, as i told him he was paying attys both for and against his point of view.

Perhaps, the person who addressed my issue. Perhaps, because my neighbor knew it was wrong. BUT, in my case all went well.

TheWarriors 02-21-2019 03:51 PM

3 dogs and you may as well call it a kennel. And how lucky your neighbors will be to have your 3 dogs pee on their grass every day. The vast majority of homes here really aren’t dog friendly, if they were, dog owners wouldn’t be having their beloved pets pee and poop on other Villagers property.

LoriAnn 02-22-2019 08:24 PM

It’s a slippery slope when 2 dogs become 3 dogs and then 4 dogs and then.....

Barefoot 02-22-2019 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWarriors (Post 1626801)
3 dogs and you may as well call it a kennel.

I was told by our Sales Rep in 2007 that The Villages has deed restrictions
for no other reason than they prohibit owning dogs for breeding purposes.
In a retirement community, I think the two-dog deed restriction is very fair.

Fredster 02-23-2019 06:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWarriors (Post 1626801)
3 dogs and you may as well call it a kennel. And how lucky your neighbors will be to have your 3 dogs pee on their grass every day. The vast majority of homes here really aren’t dog friendly, if they were, dog owners wouldn’t be having their beloved pets pee and poop on other Villagers property.

:bigbow:

Challenger 02-23-2019 06:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by thetruth (Post 1626772)
I'm sure this will start a bunch of trouble but my view is that I do not like these anonymous reports. Our legal system says you have the right to face your accuser.

Our neighbor hired a landscaper. There are rules, how far from the property line it needs to be etc. I spoke to him before the job was completed. He spoke to the landscaper and the landscaper refused to correct it. Truth be told he swore, threatened me etc. I told the contractor I was calling the Community Standards. They handled it very well. First they discovered the landscaper had not filed a plan. Secondly he was as I thought in violation. They told my neighbor not to pay him until the corrections were made, he filed a proper plan etc.
My neighbor later told me that he found out the landscaper was arrested for ???????

Neighbor issues can really get out of hand. Not the villages-not even in Florida, I knew a guy who had a tree. The tree had been there for 15-20 years. Someone voiced a complaint. He was sued by the Community Standards. He dug in. Last I heard about it, it was years ago, he had spent about 20,000 in legal bills. On this case, as i told him he was paying attys both for and against his point of view.

Perhaps, the person who addressed my issue. Perhaps, because my neighbor knew it was wrong. BUT, in my case all went well.

When you buy real property it is your responsibility to know the law and rules governing. Blame your realtor or lawyer or brother in law, but owners are ultimately and legally responsible. Two dogs is enough. Prohibited yard décor is prohibited, unapproved additions are subject to removal action. Why is this so had to understand. The rule of law is what really makes this country better than others

billethkid 02-23-2019 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheWarriors (Post 1626801)
3 dogs and you may as well call it a kennel. And how lucky your neighbors will be to have your 3 dogs pee on their grass every day. The vast majority of homes here really aren’t dog friendly, if they were, dog owners wouldn’t be having their beloved pets pee and poop on other Villagers property.

As I usually try to do, call attention to the fact that there are only "SOME" dog owners letting their dogs pee and poop on others property.

The other 90% of us dog owners do the right thing.

When all gets said and done there are very few triple or more dog owners in TV. And as we all know whether a violation or not is all a function of whether anybody turns in a complaint.

JCMSr 02-23-2019 06:55 PM

I commend the OP for wanting to rescue any pet and provide them with a loving home. That said, however, the post clearly states that they are aware of the 2 pet restriction but are possibly considering ignoring it. Many replies have given creative suggestions on how to beat the system while others have correctly stated that although you may never be caught it is still in violation of your restrictive covenants. In this instance the issue is pets, although it could be about numerous other issues covered by this document. Obviously, the developers do not have an anti pet attitude but they have certainly learned a thing or two over the years about people's tendencies to carry things a little too far if given enough leave way. Attitudes on this subject will vary from one pet is too many all the way up to "the more the merrier".

Every day as I ride around our beautiful community I see violation after violation. Do I report the offenders? Not yet, however, if the violation is severe enough where I feel that it will threaten the value of my property I would absolutely file a complaint. Most people think it is silly to have a restriction that says property owner's cannot have lawn ornaments and think their tastes should be acceptable to everyone. Have you ever driven through the mountains and seen sculpture's made from large logs. Although the artists who make these items are highly talented I do not want a family of wooden bears in my neighbors front yard.

The majority of property owners in our community drive automobiles. Each time we get behind the wheel and start down the road we are aware(hopefully) of the speed limit. Although there may be times that we make a conscious decision to drive over the speed limit we are or should be aware of the consequences of getting caught. Pleading ignorance of the law may get you a warning but most likely you will face a fine. Every property owner is or should be aware of the Restrictive Covenants and Restrictions which are legally tied to each property address. The process to identify violations, notifications, processes and even legal remedies are clearly spelled out for each District. Normally the process starts with a complaint, 2 or 3 notices to property owner and ultimately if not remedied, fines starting at $50.00 plus $25.00 per day (potentially $500.00 per day for repeat offenders) until the violation is resolved. Unpaid fines can be levied against the property in the form of a lien including possibly legal fees or other expenses (depending on the nature of the complaint).

Given the facts and knowing that anyone violating any of the restrictions would be subject to potential fines I cannot understand why you would knowingly proceed. The restrictions and covenants are for everyone's protection. Typically the first thing the violators say when they are caught is why me? My typical response is Why Not?

Barefoot 02-25-2019 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billethkid (Post 1627271)
As I usually try to do, call attention to the fact that there are only "SOME" dog owners letting their dogs pee and poop on others property. The other 90% of us dog owners do the right thing.

When all gets said and done there are very few triple or more dog owners in TV. And as we all know whether a violation or not is all a function of whether anybody turns in a complaint.

Exactly!

Spd57 02-28-2019 12:57 AM

What would you tell your children to do if that was the rule of Their apartment or college dorm?

PennBF 02-28-2019 10:27 AM

Good Citizens Obey the Laws and Rules
 
I had an older brother who once said if "milk was outlawed, I would remove it from my home". The sign of a good community is it's citizen's willing to obey the laws and in this case the Deed restrictions set down by the community. When residents begin to intentionally circumvent the law, where does it stop? It is even worse when it is a "planned violation" rather than by accident. There should be consequences and they should be severe enough to deter the individual(s) from continuing to do the act(s). A last point. The one who relies on "not being reported" thereby making their neighbor a part of the violation since they are reluctant to cause an issue is a bully and disgrace. I like the Villages and the Deed Restrictions were created to keep it "likable". Let's not be a part of tearing it down.:ho:

spring_chicken 02-28-2019 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TonysMom (Post 1615284)
Thanks to those of you trying to help me and honestly answer my question. I didn't mean to imply that my dogs are left outside to bark and I do pick up their excrement. Neither of those would be appreciated by any neighbor; that goes without saying. I was asking about the strict number of dogs and if any of you who have lived here longer might know of any infractions and repurcussions; that is all

I have a friend who got a letter after a crabby neighbor turned her in. They cannot come and search your house. She ignored the letter and nothing else was ever said.

Challenger 02-28-2019 12:18 PM

When one violates a deed restriction, the victims of the act are all others subject to the same body of restrictions. As in so many cases, in our society the violators will nearly always blame those who are the victims and or the whistle blowers. Bizarre!

photo1902 02-28-2019 12:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Challenger (Post 1628885)
When one violates a deed restriction, the victims of the act are all others subject to the same body of restrictions. As in so many cases, in our society the violators will nearly always blame those who are the victims and or the whistle blowers. Bizarre!

Couldn't have said it better myself.

sallybowron 02-28-2019 06:55 PM

Over two pets
 
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Originally Posted by Mleeja (Post 1614195)
Dogs are to not be over “x” pounds either. However, there are large and small dog parks... If the dogs are quite and you don’t let them pee or poo in the neighbors yard, you shouldn’t have any problems. I am willing to bet my wife’s SS check there are TV residents that have more than two dogs/pets.

I can guarantee you there are many people with more than two dogs. As one poser said, keeping track of your dog and not letting them poo in another persons yard or space is a must. Actually there are a couple f fields near me way down on Morse that people used to walk dogs, even letting them roam free. This does not seem to cause any problems.:doggie:


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