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goodtimesintv 07-25-2016 11:16 PM
VApeople, I'm with you, and I'm not at all afraid of dogs, of any kind.

But.....There is one thing that does make me afraid of a dog of any size: when they come on aggressively, and the owner does not, or cannot, make him obey. To me, that tells the dog "go ahead, intimidate all you want".

Ignore people here who want to make you out to be a suspect!

:ohdear:

Barefoot 07-25-2016 11:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Fredster (Post 1260185)
I don't care for aggressive dogs of any size.
Even dog lovers usually don't care for aggressive dogs.
But sometimes enthusiasm and friendliness can be mistaken for aggressiveness.
The owner of the dogs definitely shouldn't have let the dogs out without his supervision.
He was clearly in violation of the leash law, and clearly not respecting the property of his neighbors or the danger of traffic.
Unless it was a new area under construction, with no neighbor's and no traffic?

Villageswimmer 07-26-2016 05:26 AM
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Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1260202)
VApeople, I'm with you, and I'm not at all afraid of dogs, of any kind.

But.....There is one thing that does make me afraid of a dog of any size: when they come on aggressively, and the owner does not, or cannot, make him obey. To me, that tells the dog "go ahead, intimidate all you want".

Ignore people here who want to make you out to be a suspect!

:ohdear:

I'm with you, too. I really like dogs. I feel sorry that you were treated unkindly by some on this board who can't even think a dog (actually, an owner) could be negligent and irresponsible. It wasn't your fault and I can respect your fear.

People first, then dogs.

redwitch 07-26-2016 05:54 AM
To say I love dogs is probably an understatement. I've even made friends with dogs who have bitten me. I also had an Old English who was never on a lead. If I took him to a town where he wasn't known, my first stop would be the police station to prove that he was totally under voice and hand controls. I only once had an issue in Camarillo where they insisted he had to be on a lead regardless of how well trained he was. Even so, I would never let him out of my house without me being present. There's no excuse for allowing a dog outside without you watching the dog if there's no fence to prevent wandering and I've seen more than one dog run right through an invisible fence. This dog owner was not being responsible and his behavior was inexcusable.

VApeople 07-26-2016 06:24 AM
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Originally Posted by Barefoot (Post 1260206)
He was clearly in violation of the leash law, and clearly not respecting the property of his neighbors or the danger of traffic.
Unless it was a new area under construction, with no neighbor's and no traffic?
Why does it matter whether or not he lives in a new area under construction?

He lives in a new area of Osceola Hills where there are vacant lots to the side of his house and across the street. However, we and others like to walk in the evening and often go down that street.

Are we now supposed to avoid that street?

VApeople 07-26-2016 06:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1260188)
I have read and know what is in the Declaration of Restrictions for my village. It speaks to the number of pets allowed, responsibility for damage, etc. But it does not even address the subject of pets on a leash.
Thanks for pointing that out. Before we moved to Osceola Hills, I asked to see a copy of the Declaration of Restrictions so I could verify that it said dogs must be on a leash. I was told, perhaps incorrectly, that all of the villages have the same restriction on dogs.

Would you please tell the name of the village where you live so I can check your Declaration of Restrictions for myself? Thanks.

Polar Bear 07-26-2016 06:32 AM
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1260252)
Thanks for pointing that out. Before we moved to Osceola Hills, I asked to see a copy of the Declaration of Restrictions so I could verify that it said dogs must be on a leash. I was told, perhaps incorrectly, that all of the villages have the same restriction on dogs.

Would you please tell the name of the village where you live so I can check your Declaration of Restrictions for myself? Thanks.
Sure. Mallory Square.

graciegirl 07-26-2016 06:50 AM
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Originally Posted by goodtimesintv (Post 1260202)
VApeople, I'm with you, and I'm not at all afraid of dogs, of any kind.

But.....There is one thing that does make me afraid of a dog of any size: when they come on aggressively, and the owner does not, or cannot, make him obey. To me, that tells the dog "go ahead, intimidate all you want".

Ignore people here who want to make you out to be a suspect!

:ohdear:
I absolutely think people should have their dogs on a leash. That is a law and a good one. I love dogs, but don't have any of our own, and I am afraid of Pitbulls, which may be irrational, but I am. It was mentioning the shooting of a dog that made me wonder if the OP was afraid of all dogs and did not like all dogs. There are many people like him. Everyone would be happier here if people were good dog parents and if they would remember that they may love their furry kids, but others may not, and to make their furry kids behave in a manner as to not make other people offended. The people I know well and our neighbors are all good dog parents and I so enjoy them and their pets. But I love all dogs and attribute good things to them they may not have, and think they will all be equally as fond of me. That is prejudice and I have it. In fact the more I know about people, the better I like dogs. BUT............

The pets on a leash is NOT a deed restriction. That is the law in Sumter and Marion County but not in Lake County, apparently;

Is There a Dog Leash Law in Sumter County (Bushnell, Wildwood, Cherry Lake, Saint Catherine) Florida? - Florida Child Injury Lawyer Blog

Is There a Dog Leash Law in Lake County (Altoona, Astatula, Clermont, Eustis, Leesburg, Mount Dora, Tavares) Florida? - Florida Child Injury Lawyer Blog

Is There a Dog Leash Law in Marion County (Ocala, Silver Springs ) Florida ? - Florida Child Injury Lawyer Blog

Bogie Shooter 07-26-2016 07:12 AM
This thread is becoming more entertaining to read than a dog poop thread..................:popcorn::popcorn:

Nucky 07-26-2016 07:33 AM
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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1259869)
I was raised not to snitch plus I was a major nerd as a kid. I cut loose as a college freshman and rarely look back.
I always confront any issue directly and rarely approach any authority both in and out of work.
I got the same report on you from the fella's back home. Lol. Good guy, no snitch! Our boy is well trained but we must take into account the others who live around us. I have our Boxer Mr. Barney take care of his business before we go for a walk. I would never allow him to relieve himself on your property. I think that is just common sense. We put Barney on a leash when we got here and he looked up at me and thought What The Hell Is This Rope For? He is trustworthy and listens well but he is an animal and I don't remember making any laws in Florida so I have decided we'll just follow them instead. Our dog is for the enrichment of our life, not to ever scare anyone or violate their property. If the law says Leash 'em then just do it. :duck:

jimmemac 07-26-2016 07:34 AM
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1260181)
Yes, the large dogs were in the street about 40 yards from the owners house. The owner was not present, but came out of his house shortly afterwards.

Any more questions?
Then clearly the owner is wrong and I am sorry that this happened to you. I sure hope this gets resolved for you and your neighbors.

RickeyD 07-26-2016 08:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Nucky (Post 1260278)
I got the same report on you from the fella's back home. Lol. Good guy, no snitch! Our boy is well trained but we must take into account the others who live around us. I have our Boxer Mr. Barney take care of his business before we go for a walk. I would never allow him to relieve himself on your property. I think that is just common sense. We put Barney on a leash when we got here and he looked up at me and thought What The Hell Is This Rope For? He is trustworthy and listens well but he is an animal and I don't remember making any laws in Florida so I have decided we'll just follow them instead. Our dog is for the enrichment of our life, not to ever scare anyone or violate their property. If the law says Leash 'em then just do it. :duck:


Now I feel sorry for Mr. Barney [emoji240]

photo1902 07-26-2016 08:13 AM
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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1260188)
First, I clearly spoke of laws, not deed restrictions.

Second, you do know there are different restrictions for the various villages within each district, don't you?

I have read and know what is in the Declaration of Restrictions for my village. It speaks to the number of pets allowed, responsibility for damage, etc. But it does not even address the subject of pets on a leash. It apparently leaves that matter to the Sumter County law previously cited.
Read 'em again. 2.23, Shall be responsible to keep such pet on a leash.

graciegirl 07-26-2016 08:53 AM
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Originally Posted by RickeyD (Post 1260296)
Now I feel sorry for Mr. Barney [emoji240]
Mr. Barney has visited our home. He is gentle and has good manners and is much loved. I have not yet approached him about being my nephew, but I am planning to do so.

kstew43 07-26-2016 09:33 AM
possibly the dogs have a invisible fence and that is why they are allowed to roam the yard unleashed.

whoops...never mind....missed the fact the dogs were in the road......

justjim 07-26-2016 09:47 AM
When we had a dog, we observed that it took a while for ours to adapt when we moved. OP, perhaps this is the case with the encounter you recently had in the new area of TV. I'm not making excuses for the owner who should had them on a leash---but when you first move there are many many "things" on your mind.

In a few days, I would try a civil conversation before I would take the next steps. 95% of the time that works.

Polar Bear 07-26-2016 10:24 AM
Large dogs running wild
 
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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1260309)
Read 'em again. 2.23, Shall be responsible to keep such pet on a leash.

Give me a link. I read it again. Said the same thing as last time I read it.

But just for the record, read my previous posts again. I was discussing laws, not deed restrictions.

Barefoot 07-26-2016 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1260248)
Why does it matter whether or not he lives in a new area under construction?
He lives in a new area of Osceola Hills where there are vacant lots to the side of his house and across the street.
It matters because I'd posted that dog owner wasn't being respectful of neighbors.
And that he could be putting the dogs' lives in jeopardy because of traffic.
If there are no neighbors and no night traffic, then those two statements have no relevance.

However dogs should never be let outside to roam, for any reason.
VApeople, I am sincerely sorry that you were scared by these dogs.
No, you shouldn't have to avoid these areas. The owner should be supervising the dogs and have them under his control.

We have previously had members that stated they took their dogs to areas under construction to let them get some exercise.
I'm not saying that is OK. I personally wouldn't let my dogs off leash anywhere but a fenced dogpark.
But it obviously happens in new areas.

Polar Bear 07-26-2016 10:50 AM
Large dogs running wild
 
The Code 4-10 requirement for a dog to be on a leash does not apply to a dog on its owner's property:

"Section 4 – 10 – Dogs and Cats Running at Large – a dog owner has a duty to keep dogs from “running at large” when in or upon any public street, sidewalk, or other public property of another."

From the Official Sumter County Government Website FAQ's:

"What are the leash laws in Sumter County?
County Code 4-10 states that all dogs must be confined on owners property at all times or under direct control or on a leash when off the owners property.

Otherwise a citation will be issued for the animal running free."

And just so there is no misunderstanding of my personal opinion regarding this matter, I believe a dog should be leashed when on public property, or even on private property that the dog's owner does not own. I'm simply against the idea that a well-trained, directly supervised dog should be required to be on a leash on his owner's property. And I don't believe the above Sumter County code requires that.

photo1902 07-26-2016 11:52 AM
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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1260385)
Give me a link. I read it again. Said the same thing as last time I read it.

But just for the record, read my previous posts again. I was discussing laws, not deed restrictions.
Start here, find your district, and read. Basically, choose any district, any lot, etc, in The Villages. They all have the same pets on a leash requirement. And yes, you're right, you were discussing laws, but you were the one that said its not in your deed restrictions.

VCDD Deed Compliance - Sumter County

Polar Bear 07-26-2016 12:23 PM
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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1260440)
Start here, find your district, and read. Basically, choose any district, any lot, etc, in The Villages. They all have the same pets on a leash requirement. And yes, you're right, you were discussing laws, but you were the one that said its not in your deed restrictions.

VCDD Deed Compliance - Sumter County
I'm using your link and still get the same results.

Let's put aside our possible differences for a minute...this is getting weird. :)

photo1902 07-26-2016 12:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1260456)
I'm using your link and still get the same results.

Let's put aside our possible differences for a minute...this is getting weird. :)
No worries, PB, didnt mean for it to seem weird. Try this one though, it should be a direct link.

http://www.districtgov.org/images/De...206/S6-112.pdf

Polar Bear 07-26-2016 12:53 PM
Large dogs running wild
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1260465)
No worries, PB, didnt mean for it to seem weird. Try this one though, it should be a direct link.

http://www.districtgov.org/images/De...206/S6-112.pdf
Boy do I ever stand corrected. Guess I just didn't read far enough...about three times. Sheesh. My humble apology.

But now I wonder about one thing...how do I get the leash on my bird and fish? :)

photo1902 07-26-2016 12:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Polar Bear (Post 1260472)
Boy do I ever stand corrected. Guess I just didn't read far enough...about three times. Sheesh. My humble apology.

But now I wonder about one thing...how do I get the leash on my bird and fish? :)
You have to be reaaaaaallllly quick! :)

VApeople 07-26-2016 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by photo1902 (Post 1260309)
Read 'em again. 2.23, Shall be responsible to keep such pet on a leash.
Thanks for pointing that out, Photo.

I went to CDD this morning and asked to see a copy of the Deed Restrictions for Mallory Square, and it said very clearly that dogs had to be on a leash, not just "under control". The person working there said the basic Deed Restrictions like this are the same for all areas south of 466.

graciegirl 07-26-2016 01:36 PM
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1260489)
Thanks for pointing that out, Photo.

I went to CDD this morning and asked to see a copy of the Deed Restrictions for Mallory Square, and it said very clearly that dogs had to be on a leash, not just "under control". The person working there said the basic Deed Restrictions like this are the same for all areas south of 466.
You are right and everyone agrees with you so hope those dogs owners do what is right and you will be happy here.

gap2415 07-26-2016 01:47 PM
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1259968)
I went to the Community Development office at Lake Sumter this morning to complain about the dogs running loose in Osceola Hills, and they took my complaint seriously. They said that because our neighborhood is new, they would have the builder send a letter to the homeowner reminding them of the leash laws in TV. I stressed that these dogs were not the small dogs so common in TV, but they were larger and more aggressive. I said that, to my knowledge, many villagers are armed and might shoot an aggressive dog running loose. I said it would be a very good idea for the builder to talk with the dog owners personally. She seemed very concerned and said she would call the builder.

Then we drove down to the Sumter county Animal Control office in Lake Pannasofkie. They also took our complaint seriously and said they would send an officer to the dog owners house. I told them we used to live in a TV-like community in Maryland and that one homeowner shot and killed a dog that was harassing them. The person at Animal Control did not blink and eye and said that is allowed here as well.

Well, I have not fired a gun in 45 years so I will not go that route, but we will definitely not walk by that house again.
Wow! I'm glad I don't have a dog as occasionally they get loose by oversight. My cat sneaked out once but my neighbor helped me catch her,

VApeople 07-26-2016 02:48 PM
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Originally Posted by graciegirl (Post 1260500)
You are right and everyone agrees with you so hope those dogs owners do what is right and you will be happy here.
Thanks, Gracie. We have been here two months and are really enjoying ourselves in a rental patio villa while our new house is being built. While Virginia was a great place to live, we both love being back in Florida where we met 46 years ago.

We will be happy here no matter what the dog owners do. As one great American said:

“I am still determined to be cheerful and happy, in whatever situation I may be; for I have also learned from experience that the greater part of our happiness or misery depends upon our dispositions, and not upon our circumstances.”

Martha Washington

Polar Bear 07-26-2016 02:53 PM
Yeah, let's not let your original topic get lost among all the other discussions. You had a legitimate concern.

Welcome back to Florida.

Bogie Shooter 07-26-2016 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by VApeople (Post 1260489)
Thanks for pointing that out, Photo.

I went to CDD this morning and asked to see a copy of the Deed Restrictions for Mallory Square, and it said very clearly that dogs had to be on a leash, not just "under control". The person working there said the basic Deed Restrictions like this are the same for all areas south of 466.
All deed restrictions are posted on Village Community Development Districts.
Save a little gas.....

HoosierPa 07-26-2016 04:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1259985)
This is a very strong statement. No dogs have been shot or shot at in The Villages.
Why do you think that someone would shoot a dog in The Villages. That is kinda paranoid to me!
If the folks at Community Development said they would respond to the situation........why then go to Animal Control? What's next a stop at the Sheriffs Office?
Agreed Bogie...and my experience is most dogs are more aggressive on a leash although I understand the need to keep them under control

VApeople 07-26-2016 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Bogie Shooter (Post 1260643)
All deed restrictions are posted on Village Community Development Districts.
Save a little gas.....
I looked at that website. Exactly how would I use it to find the Deed Restrictions for Mallory Square?


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