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lmrk32 08-24-2022 12:55 PM
As you can see, I very rarely post on this forum. And this is the reason why. No one can allow you your opinion without an argument and addition your words are always twisted. When I say people are fools, this is a beautiful example of it. People who have never spent one day in vet school try to argue with her and tell her how to practice her profession after 12 years of school. If that does not make you a fool then I don’t know what does. In addition, financially you have made your choices and I have made mine. She could’ve gone to medical school and made four times what she is making now. However due to her love of animals which you would like to negate she chose to be a veterinarian. I am now done with this conversation, so no need to reply. Just one parting thought… It is a documented fact that people who cannot get into vet school will then go to medical school but I will not judge because you certainly haven’t! Lol

JMintzer 08-24-2022 02:44 PM
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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2129241)
Can you show documentation to support this statement?
Read the thread, it's already been done...

JMintzer 08-24-2022 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by lmrk32 (Post 2129294)
As you can see, I very rarely post on this forum. And this is the reason why. No one can allow you your opinion without an argument and addition your words are always twisted. When I say people are fools, this is a beautiful example of it. People who have never spent one day in vet school try to argue with her and tell her how to practice her profession after 12 years of school. If that does not make you a fool then I don’t know what does. In addition, financially you have made your choices and I have made mine. She could’ve gone to medical school and made four times what she is making now. However due to her love of animals which you would like to negate she chose to be a veterinarian. I am now done with this conversation, so no need to reply. Just one parting thought… It is a documented fact that people who cannot get into vet school will then go to medical school but I will not judge because you certainly haven’t! Lol
Replace "vet school" with any type of "med school" and you have the same fools...

They show up with a ream of paper printed out from "Web MD" and proceed to tell you you're wrong...

That said, I'm glad she found her calling. Not sure if taking over a $1/2 million in student loans was the best financial planning, but good luck to her!

Bonanza 08-24-2022 05:07 PM
Oh, Yeah, Right! { ;>(
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2128733)
That is legal according to the Federal ADA law. No documentation or proof is required for a service dog. No Florida law can supercede it.

But, I propose that Florida enact a law that, anyone dining in a restaurant when a dog enters, can notify the manager and leave immediately without owing any money to the restaurant. I think that would help to alleviate the problem.
Wishful thinking and it doesn't even make sense. You're dreaming!
You rarely see a non-service dog inside a restaurant. Outside on a patio -- yes, but then YOU have a choice.

Bonanza 08-24-2022 05:32 PM
The Law Itself is a Poor One
 
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Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2128735)
Correct...

"You may not require proof that the animal has been certified, trained or licensed as a service animal. You may not require the animal to wear an identifying vest or tag. You may not ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the task or work."
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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2129241)
Can you show documentation to support this statement?
That happens to be the law, albeit not a very good one, I will admit. Feel free to look it up.

retiredguy123 08-24-2022 05:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Bonanza (Post 2129347)
Wishful thinking and it doesn't even make sense. You're dreaming!
You rarely see a non-service dog inside a restaurant. Outside on a patio -- yes, but then YOU have a choice.
I don't eat on patios. But, I think that restaurants should be able to ban all dogs from being inside their restaurant. I don't care whether the dog is a service dog or not. The Federal ADA law is absurd. People who don't want to dine with dogs, should not be required to do so.

Bonanza 08-24-2022 05:40 PM
The Law Itself is a Poor One
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by JMintzer (Post 2128735)
Correct...

"You may not require proof that the animal has been certified, trained or licensed as a service animal. You may not require the animal to wear an identifying vest or tag. You may not ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the task or work."
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Originally Posted by Vermilion Villager (Post 2129241)
Can you show documentation to support this statement?
That happens to be the law, albeit not a very good one, I will admit. Feel free to look it up.

tophcfa 08-24-2022 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2129351)
I don't eat on patios. But, I think that restaurants should be able to ban all dogs from being inside their restaurant. I don't care whether the dog is a service dog or not. The Federal ADA law is absurd. People who don't want to dine with dogs, should not be required to do so.
I strongly disagree. My brother is 100% blind and completely relies on his incredibly well trained seeing eye dog (an absolutely beautiful German Shepherd) to be his eyes. Without his dog, he couldn’t go out to dinner. When his dog is in harness she is 100% working and well behaved. All the fake service dogs being paraded around by entitled a holes really pi$$es me off, they discredit the real service dogs that people like my brother depend on to live as normal a life as they possibly can.

Bonanza 08-24-2022 10:22 PM
Change Your Tune and Becomne Enlightened
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2129351)
I don't eat on patios. But, I think that restaurants should be able to ban all dogs from being inside their restaurant. I don't care whether the dog is a service dog or not. The Federal ADA law is absurd. People who don't want to dine with dogs, should not be required to do so.
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2129379)
I strongly disagree. My brother is 100% blind and completely relies on his incredibly well trained seeing eye dog (an absolutely beautiful German Shepherd) to be his eyes. Without his dog, he couldn’t go out to dinner. When his dog is in harness she is 100% working and well behaved. All the fake service dogs being paraded around by entitled a holes really pi$$es me off, they discredit the real service dogs that people like my brother depend on to live as normal a life as they possibly can.
I would like to say I am my dog's emotional support and I will go wherever she takes me . . . Always! :thumbup:

Thank you for your comment, tophcfa. I'm with you 100% and am genuinely embarrassed by the tone of some of these posters, including the one found at the top here, And to those who won't eat in a place where there are dogs, you should simply eat at home. Problem solved! I'd be willing to bet that your brother's guide dog is better behaved, cleaner, and serves a better purpose than those who made so many anti-dog asinine comments.

The law needs some serious adjustments made so that all the a-holes to whom you refer, get fined for promoting an injustice to all of those who ARE acting within the law and to those who require the help guide dogs give them.

I encourage the readers of this thread to click on About Us - Southeastern Guide Dogs to learn about guide dogs and to make an appointment to visit Southeastern Guide Dogs in Palmetto, FL (just above Bradenton) for an incredible experience. I promise you will be enlightened, and not disappointed.

retiredguy123 08-25-2022 04:15 AM
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Originally Posted by tophcfa (Post 2129379)
I strongly disagree. My brother is 100% blind and completely relies on his incredibly well trained seeing eye dog (an absolutely beautiful German Shepherd) to be his eyes. Without his dog, he couldn’t go out to dinner. When his dog is in harness she is 100% working and well behaved. All the fake service dogs being paraded around by entitled a holes really pi$$es me off, they discredit the real service dogs that people like my brother depend on to live as normal a life as they possibly can.
I don't think we disagree very much. The ADA law may have good intentions, but it gives way too much power to those who want to take advantage of it to bring their dog everywhere they go. The law has no enforcement mechanism.

Bonanza 08-25-2022 03:15 PM
Proof of Service Dog Laws Need to be Changed
 
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Originally Posted by retiredguy123 (Post 2129403)
I don't think we disagree very much either. The ADA law may have good intentions, but it gives way too much power to those who want to take advantage of it to bring their dog everywhere they go. The law has no enforcement mechanism.
In response to your comment to tophcfa, initially, you said that the FDA law was "absurd," but I don't really think you meant that. What I read into what you said was that the law has no teeth and needed to be changed and I agree.

I have always thought the dogs should have a government-issued tag that could be attached to a leash for visible proof the dog is indeed qualified to go anywhere. Then no questions are necessary. And if the dog did not bare that tag, the owner should be fined with stiffer penalties for each offense. Seeing eye dogs automatically qualify. They are always visible.

Frankly, I have no time for the scofflaws who continue to pretend their dog qualifies as a service animal, making it questionable for those for whom the law is a necessity.

Babubhat 08-25-2022 03:37 PM
It’s bad when the grocery store needs to post a sign not to put animals in the shopping cart

fdpaq0580 08-25-2022 08:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Luggage (Post 2129077)
There have been many studies that every dog is an emotional support and contributes to your mental health. And in TV you certainly need it here with all the whiners and complainers
Very self serving. There are many people who are negatively affected when exposed to dogs as a result of illnesses, allergies or fear or distrust due to previous incidents.

Bonanza 08-25-2022 11:53 PM
Self-Serving? Nope!
 
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Originally Posted by Luggage (Post 2129077)
There have been many studies that every dog is an emotional support and contributes to your mental health. And in TV you certainly need it here with all the whiners and complainers
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Originally Posted by fdpaq0580 (Post 2129819)
Very self serving. There are many people who are negatively affected when exposed to dogs as a result of illnesses, allergies or fear or distrust due to previous incidents.
Sorry, but NOT self-serving at all! You are exaggerating. There are some (not many) people who are negatively affected by exposure to dogs as a result of illness. What kind of illness would that be? If it's an allergy, the person doesn't have to pet the dog or be in its company; they can walk away. They can also be medicated. Fear or distrust? Same thing as allergy and see a psychiatrist.

I once did a personal study for my own satisfaction and found a great correlation between people who said they were allergic to dogs and cats (truthfully, mostly cats) to those who did not like dogs and cats. I found the results to be interesting and amazing.

Yes, owning a dog is an emotional thing and gives great comfort and satisfaction to those who own the dog and to those with whom the dog is in direct contact.

CoachKandSportsguy 08-26-2022 01:28 AM
the human condition: "Everyone should be treated equally, but I should be treated special!"

we are all suffering!


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