Is The Villages getting too big?

[JB in TV]

Sorry in advance for this...

Saturday, we were headed to the Home and Garden Show in LSL about 1PM...forget it! Got stuck in traffic entering the area from Morse Blvd. and it took 15 minutes just to get back out. Didn't even try to find a parking place..it was so packed with cars and carts, couldn't even turn around. Perhaps they should have planned the Chili cookoff at a different location? Or make it a two day Garden show?

This morning at 7:30AM, I called Colony Health to see about getting a same day appointment for a medical issue that has been bothering me all weekend, and...no appointments available today. They offered to refer me to an Urgent care clinic. I didn't think that was the way these Village Health centers were supposed to work.

We all know about the terrible parking problem at Colony shopping...with due respect, Publix does a great job of having check-outs open and moving folks thru the lines quickly!

Over an hour wait at most restaurants at normal dinner time (5:00-7:00PM)...many posts (the most recent one I remember is about the new Italian place in Brownwood, also Mezza Luna) have suggested trying to go to dinner at 4:00... REALLY!!?? We (party of 4) waited over an hour at Cane Garden last week..etc. To me, NO restaraunt is worth standing for an hour waiting to get seated at a table. Are there any that take reservations or "call ahead seating"?

These are just a few of the examples of what I see as The Villages getting too big.

It sounds like I am complaining, well, yeah..kinda...but that wasn't my initial intent when I started writing...I'm really looking for ideas on either how to deal with it, or suggestions we can forward to the powers that be. We really like it here, but not being able to enjoy dinner out without a long wait, or being able to even get near the Garden show just spoils it. I must add, that we are not stuck in a mind set that we have to use a golf cart to get where we are going either.

We've only been here a little over a year, (full time residents) and we realize things get much worse during Jan-March/April, but it's getting to the point were we don't enjoy going out anywhere....and isn't that kind of the intention here?...going out and having fun with friends and neighbors?

[missypie]

All the reasons that you have stated are very valid IMOP. On Sat we went as well to the Chili cook off and Garden show. We got there around 11 AM and got a golf cart spot in Sweetbay parking lot. Still way open at that time. Went through the entire place and left at 1:30 PM. Had a really great time until I heard the woman behind me complain about all the "wide bodies" that she had to go around. ( I think it's funny that people that can't hear well speak loudly to the next person thinking no one else can hear them)

The Colony Health Care place I have yet to sign on with but your concern will be a question that I will have for them!

Waiting at restaurants: When we lived in CA, we waited for a min. of 1 hour for a seat in a restaurant especially in Newport Beach. Here, I look at it as a way to talk to others sitting around me. I love to talk and ask peoples opinions on all sorts of things so I find it fun.

So since you the OP are full timers, just wait 8 more weeks and all will be better for you.

I love it here no matter what the season, the wait, the crowds or whatever. I have found my thrill here in TV.

Peace.

[Happinow]

First of all, don't apologize for starting this thread. I agree with all that you have said. My husband and I were just talking about the same thing. We were wondering if this is where we really wanted to live after all. The winter months are just plain horrible. We rarely go out to eat and rarely try to attend any special function that takes place in the winter months. It's simply not worth the aggravation. We keep to ourselves and either go over to friend's house or have them come here. The infrastructure simply can't handle the amount of people. Is The Villages too big??? Yes, but there's nothing we can do about it so you will probably have to change your habits for the winter months. When Spring arrives, you will see that everything gets back to "normal". You will be able to enjoy everything that The Villages has to offer whenever you want to. You kind of have to psych yourself into having to bear the winter months with the thousands of people that flock here. It's a whole different mindset. It's just like living in a tourist area for 6 months. Hang onto your hat because we are still growing and there doesn't seem to be a light at the end of the tunnel. April-May will be here sooner than you think. Until then, enjoy the best you can.

[mrdarcy]

People are moving here for the same reasons most of us moved here. We certainly can't fault them for their good insight and judgement. And, as word of The Villages spreads throughout the country, demand to come here will only increase. I think the way to handle the impact of the growth, especially during snowbird season, is to explore the surrounding communities given that you said you have a car. For example, an Ocala resident I met on the airport shuttle during Christmas told me about an excellent live theater at the Ocala civic center. I plan to investigate that further. The Villages is a great asset to all the merchants and vendors near it. I think the saying "a rising tide floats all boats" is an apt one for the communities near us.

[redwitch]

I love the vitality in the winter. People are so happy to be here; they're smiling, waving, enjoying life. Businesses are thriving this time of year. Without all these extra folks, there would be no restaurants to enjoy during the other nine months; there would likely be only one grocery store in all of TV; we would have golf and rec centers and that's about it. So, to me, it's a fair trade off. I can be inconvenienced for three months and smile when I am out and about during this period for the pleasure of being here the other nine months.

It is a good time to socialize in each other's homes, have more activities on the block. As was said, talk to people when waiting for dinner or go early or late (never have to wait at Cody's after 9:00 pm (when I actually like to eat my dinner). So, try finding the good that comes with the crowds. They'll be gone before you know it.

[graciegirl]

Yes. It is too big right now. Yes. The Chili cook off is crowded with newbies and stalwart souls. Most go ONCE.


Yes, the traffic is horrible and this is the beginning of the biggest month of congestion and new drivers are out in force and in lack of wisdom about how this place rolls.


Yes. there are too many people eating out. There is valid research being done now on you know who and whether they know how to cook...at home...ever.


Yes. but YOU, are one of the nicest and most thoughtful posters of all, OP. And if you are having a glum space, you are entitled to it. I personally think that the POA should sue Gary Morse over this very long patch of winter weather. we were not promised this stuff at ALL.


Yes. But everywhere in Florida is flooded with seasonal residents and it is very busy and crowded with people who have a right to get away from the snow and cold and damp. Now they are here and completely frustrated by the last week of cool, damp, gray weather and they are even behaving grumpily.


Yes. But have you read the first posts just this last couple of days about people who are waiting to move here? They too are deserving of living in lower Paradise, just like us lucky folks.


I hit a rough patch last week, JB. Feel this hug. It will be better soon. The sun will shine.

[George Bieniaszek]

I totally agree with the points made with the posters above. The Villages is very crowded here during the peak 3 month winter season. I have witnessed a noticeable increase of people, traffic, opinions and attitudes over the last 4 years we have lived here. It is going to get more populated as The Villages nears build-out and more baby-boomers and retirees make this their forever home.

The best kept secret is that The Villages is an absolutely beautiful place to live in between April and November. No crowds, lovely weather, open tee times, and the list goes on.

We came to the Villages with the same reasons that the seasonal people come here, to escape the cold and nasty northern winters. We have to put up with these minor inconveniences or adjust out schedules slightly to accommodate the added population, traffic, etc. Because of the "snowbirds" patronizing the businesses around here, we get to enjoy these conveniences year-round.

We have friends that have vacation homes in Cape Cod and rent them out. We have stayed with them before or after the "on" season when the crowds are gone and the weather is spectacular and the restaurants are empty.

We have friends that purchased a home in the Daytona Beach area and say that they have to adjust their scheduled during the NASCAR Speed Week, or Bike Week, but they knew that when purchasing their home.

60 more days and us Villagers will have some much appreciated elbow room :)

[buggyone]

Oh come on now, folks.

I drove my golf cart to the Chili Cook Off on Saturday, got there at noon, parked in back of City Fire, went with the flow of people around to the chili stations, visited lots of exhibitors, sat in a chair a while on the square - and had a wonderful time.

Where we came from in the DC burbs, we would have to drive in heavy traffic at lrast 40 minutes to go to a restaurant AND wait for a table ANY time of year. The Villages is paradise all year long. Do a little personal adjusting in high season and ENJOY yourselves.

[yabbadu]

Go to anywhere that's popular in Florida during Jan - April and it will be crowded. Relax and enjoy...You are not going to gain anything except an ulcer by being aggravated.
We are all seniors in life and I am not in hurry to leave this beauty here!

[Parker]

Yeah, I'm bummed by the crowds and traffic, and the dreary weather. I can't wait for April. However, I recognize that the snowbirds have every right to be here, and thank God for them as they support the community financially so we can all live here reasonably. In my heart I'm happy for them to come, and I enjoy their joy in being here. But alas, my head can't wait til I can get out of my very own neighborhood without waiting for 20 cars and 10 golfcarts to pass first and give me an opening.

[MikeV]

Yes it is nice here in the "off season" BUT have you seen the number of new houses going up south of Hillsborough down to Rte 44 and now Fruitland Park? With the addition of so many houses and still only 3 town squares etc I believe it will become crowded here even during the summer months.

[JB in TV]

I really appreciate everyones's comments, and agree that it is this time of year that's the most difficult to deal with...and I accept the fact that the winter visitors are part of the reason all the restaurants etc. are here for the rest of us the year round...but my thinking was really in the direction of how can we improve the experience for all, while The Villages is at or near capacity.

I mentioned perhaps having the Home and Garden Show (and Craft Fairs, etc) be a two day event. That would certainly be a new idea for The Villages, as far as I know...All events of this type where we came from are multi-day events, at minimum, a Saturday and Sunday. That would ease some of the urgency and crowding. And why don't the restaraunts accept reservations? I'm not criticizing, but rather wondering why?

[JB in TV]

Yes it is nice here in the "off season" BUT have you seen the number of new houses going up south of Hillsborough down to Rte 44 and now Fruitland Park? With the addition of so many houses and still only 3 town squares etc I believe it will become crowded here even during the summer months.

Mike, I didn't see your post while I was writing my last one, but yes, more growth and how it affects the off season is also on my mind. There aren't any publicized plans for another town square. I'm not really sure we need another one, but perhaps there are better ways of utilizing the ones we have.

[Bruiser1]

Yes. It is too big right now. Yes. The Chili cook off is crowded with newbies and stalwart souls. Most go ONCE.


Yes, the traffic is horrible and this is the beginning of the biggest month of congestion and new drivers are out in force and in lack of wisdom about how this place rolls.


Yes. there are too many people eating out. There is valid research being done now on you know who and whether they know how to cook...at home...ever.


Yes. but YOU, are one of the nicest and most thoughtful posters of all, OP. And if you are having a glum space, you are entitled to it. I personally think that the POA should sue Gary Morse over this very long patch of winter weather. we were not promised this stuff at ALL.


Yes. But everywhere in Florida is flooded with seasonal residents and it is very busy and crowded with people who have a right to get away from the snow and cold and damp. Now they are here and completely frustrated by the last week of cool, damp, gray weather and they are even behaving grumpily.


Yes. But have you read the first posts just this last couple of days about people who are waiting to move here? They too are deserving of living in lower Paradise, just like us lucky folks.


I hit a rough patch last week, JB. Feel this hug. It will be better soon. The sun will shine.

Yes this place is getting too big. The reason :

TOO MANY PEOPLE WANT TO MEET GRACIE!
GRACIE (AS bILLY Joel sang ) "don't go changing'...:bigbow:

[Bruiser1]

As the eminent Philosopher Yogi Berra once said

" No one goes there anymore..it's too crowded"!

[jcgolfs]

I think the comment about the POA suing Gary Morse was out of line. The POA is doing a great service for ALL Villagers.

[JB in TV]

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[Mikeod]

I think the comment about the POA suing Gary Morse was out of line. The POA is doing a great service for ALL Villagers.

It was a joke about the cooler weather we have been experiencing.

[gomoho]

Now that I am here I can be comfortable in my complaints about it being too crowded!!! We are currently working with the plan of renting out our home for a month or two in high season to get out of the crowds. March will be the first time we do this so we'll see how that works; however I agree with several others that in no time at all there won't be a season because we will be crowded like this all year long with the new building going on. Guess the options are to roll with the punches or leave 'cause I don't see any fix coming down the pike.

[BarryRX]

I think the comment about the POA suing Gary Morse was out of line. The POA is doing a great service for ALL Villagers.

Did you really think Gracie wanted the POA to sue because of the cold weather?

[hollander]

We had some friends that visited the Villages for the first time a couple of weeks ago. They liked some things and even looked a some new houses, but they were surprised that no gas stoves were available because the salesman said that the Morse family had a" problem" with the gas company and at the end of the week they said that the Villages was just to busy for them to even consider coming back. Yikes!

[BarryRX]

I just got back from a great weekend in Delray Beach with some wonderful friends. Delray beach is a vital, happening town with lots of great restaurants and bars with live music and street fairs and farmers markets, etc. It is so crowded there that it is difficult to walk on the streets. It is impossible to find a parking spot. I know it feels a bit crowded here in the winter months, and it even felt a little more crowded this last summer than the one before it, but it's really not too bad considering we live in a prime snow bird location.

[jcgolfs]

I think it was just a little poke a the POA.

[ilovetv]

We've gotten along just fine without ever going to a Chili Cook-off in TV, and by buying groceries at places other than Publix at Colony Plaza between 8am and 12pm. There are lots of other options and hours, if one can muster up some flexibility.

As someone suggested, there are hosts of other nice communities in the surrounding areas. Try exploring outside the bubble during these three peak season months, and be glad you won't have to prepare for a blizzard and being stuck in your car on I-75, freezing and trying to sleep in the car with fuel tank dwindling and being iced in.

[billethkid]

the old saying everything is relative is the issue here as well.
What is the expectation? No waiting? Always get the space you want?
The restruant you want when you want it? The t time you want? No traffic?

Of course not we are all reasonable.....eh?

Some of us who have been here for at least 10 years (and many more) can talk about when there were only 30,000 people here. No shopping what so ever South of 466 (not 466A....466). There were no homes south of 466 (not 466A....466). No shopping centers off Rolling Acres. No Lake Sumter Landing!!!!

Some might say there was nothing here....we and 30,000 +++ others did not see it that way.
Then TV continued South over the next 8 years. Reached a critical mass in size that began to attract national stores like Home Depot, Kohls, Target, etc.

At over 100,000 we are happy to have all that has come during our stay here. Would we do it again now that it "so big" or "so busy"? In a heart beat.

There are very few times over the years we could not do what we wanted when we wanted to do it. Or go where we wanted to go when we wanted to. Very few indeed. And yes the traffic has increased. Just think about it for a moment this years slow season traffic will exceed what was the busy season of only a few years ago.

We all know if there is a quality, desirable place to be, to go to eat to visit, to live, to play, et al it will be very popular and busy. So if some want to go where there is less of "busy" just remember you will get much less of a lot that we enjoy here.

To each his/her own......TV lifestyle....half the size or double or triple the size or whatever it winds up at will still be a unique lifestyle not easily duplicated many locations around the world.

[justjim]

We purchased our first TV home in 2006. This winter is our ninth.

Yes, we have seen tremendous growth in the last 9 years.

Yes, there is more traffic and the Squares are over crowded----especially when they have special activities.

Yes, there could be better planning by those who plan such activities as the Chili cook off and garden show. Why not have them at separate squares?

TOO BIG IS RELATIVE. COMPARED TO WHAT? HAVE YOU BEEN TO CHICAGO WHEN THEY TURN THE CHICAGO RIVER GREEN AND CELEBRATE ST. PATRICK'S DAY? NOW THAT IS A CROWD!!

OP, your Thread is good discussion. I don't know we can solve the "too big" issue but I sincerely think there are small things that can be done to make "things" work a bit better given our 100,000 plus population during the winter months. Those that post on TOTV are pretty good at suggestions. I'm listening---hope the "planners" are too!

Mr. Morse, if you are listening, sunshine during January would help spread out the crowds a bit. Sir, see if you can do better next year. Thanks!

[vj1213]

I agree with most everything said, but to add a little note about the square and no parking on Sat. It was the 1st of the month and there were also approximately 2000 renters picking up their Id's on that date. Yes, it would have made a lot of sense not to book these things simultaneously...but when different entities book different events.
Anyway, I love it here. Even tho' I am close to colony..there are plenty of other stores besides that Publix. My neighbors and I dine out often...just don't go at 6 or 6:30 and expect to be seated. We do also go to a lot of the surrounding area restaurants. We also have a lot of dinners, cookouts, and parties in our neighborhood.
We golf, go to events and club meetings, and yes they are more crowded. It does get frustrating at times with all the traffic and bad drivers :icon_wink: but hey I was never promised the perfect life here. I enjoy and give thanks for what I've got....it definitely could be a lot worse.

[Wing-nut2]

Yes.

[tommy steam]

If you think it's big now, get the new villages map and you will see how huge it's going to be. The villages will extend to 44. There is a huge area south of Hillsborough trail that is being developed now. You also have the area in fruitland park which will be developed. Let's hope they build several more supermarkets in the area. Lots of shopping areas up north on 441 but I think the trip up there will be a pain with the traffic as TVs develops more.

[keithwand]

Yes it's busy and thankfully so. It's energizing to see so many people that want to be here to either live or visit.
It's only a few months.
If no one came then our houses would not appreciate and the services of retail and restaurants wouldn't be here either.
Try Naples in the winter. Busy there too.

[raynan]

OP you do make good points and yes I am the one who suggested eating dinner at 4pm. We skip lunch and then after dinner enjoy the music in the squares. Flexibility is the answer to the winter crowds. We've been here 3 1/2 years and I'm sure other full-timers who have been here longer will agree that this winter's weather has been unusually cold for such a long continuous period which eliminates all the outdoor seating availability at the country clubs and restaurants. Less seating + more people = frustration and longer waits. At least we didn't have to dig our way out to get there.

[Bogie Shooter]

I think the comment about the POA suing Gary Morse was out of line. The POA is doing a great service for ALL Villagers.

Not at all.

[Bigben007]

At the rate The Villages is growing, the " season" will be all year long.

[NotGolfer]

I would venture to say that "anywhere" in the U.S. where folks retire, this time of year is busy (albeit crowded). Been to the gulf coast on a vacation some years back it was that (crowded)...but the traffic was A LOT worse. Also on the Atlantic side on vacation...the same! Been to AZ and Lost Wages as well...crowded and horrible traffic. The boomer's are beginning to retire so get ready for MORE of the same folks. My personal "take" is to tell myself during "the season"...take more time, slow down and keep enjoying what we have. It's a whole lot better then living up north this time of year!

[pooh]

Yes, it can be frustrating at times with the traffic, larger number of people, longer waits to dine.....but for many of us, this isn't new. growing up near Cape Cod, summers were crowded. Living in Southern CA for most of my adult life, crowds were present winter and summer. In the summer, people would flock in from AZ, in the winter, from everywhere else...;)
When living in the areas we came from, we ventured to other towns for restaurants, events....not everything was where we lived. The Villages isn't the only place around for entertainment, dining, fun....we are surrounded by other communities that offer things for us to do.

The Villages is a wonderful place to live, even with the larger population....but it isn't the only source for our dining and entertainment experiences. Venture out, see what's around....ENJOY...and when you get back to our community, appreciate it....it's beautiful, clean, well laid out and home, my home and I love it!

AND today, the birds are singing, the anoles have ventured out from their hiding places and the sun is shining.....ahhhhhhh:a040:

[njbchbum]

OP -
Anyone who lives in a tourist destination understands your complaints. Hubs and I contend with the same issues all summer long as we live on the Jersey Shore and people come from all over to spend time there - from day-hops to seasonal vacationers. And then we travel to Maine in the fall to enjoy foliage season with other leaf-peepers. And then we come to Florida to escape the frozen wasteland of the Northeast for the winter. People in those tourist locations either learn to live with it or leave it - not a hard decision to make, really! We seem to be the exception in that we live with it AND follow it AND adapt! It's for sure that life is never dull!

[Vernster]

I think the comment about the POA suing Gary Morse was out of line. The POA is doing a great service for ALL Villagers.

It was meant to be comical. Gracie would never intentionally say anything to hurt anyone's feelings or be malicious in her posts. Read some of her posts. She always knows just what to say.

[Golfingnut]

I think we need more southerners to add politeness and the population will be fine.

[rubicon]

I am surprised that anyone is surprised that The Villages is so crowded. there was no question in my mind when I first visited The Villages that it was going to be over built. what I didn't anticipate was that the economy would not recover. I believed that when it began getting crowded I would sell and move. However values dropped and I refused to take a financial beating. the summer here began getting crowded two years ago and this crowding will continue as more people move in

The square mileage is small in comparison to population and the infrastructure not updated enough to accommodate traffic. Add to this renters visitors, etc and I feel like a sardine

[ilovetv]

I am surprised that anyone is surprised that The Villages is so crowded. there was no question in my mind when I first visited The Villages that it was going to be over built. what I didn't anticipate was that the economy would not recover. I believed that when it began getting crowded I would sell and move. However values dropped and I refused to take a financial beating. the summer here began getting crowded two years ago and this crowding will continue as more people move in

The square mileage is small in comparison to population and the infrastructure not updated enough to accommodate traffic. Add to this renters visitors, etc and I feel like a sardine

Feel like a sardine? I'd say this is like sardines:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32143&stc=1&d=1391455292

"Commute times doubled or tripled for many motorists, and crashes closed a pair of interstates during peak travel hours. Congested roadways spanned the metro as drivers struggled with limited visibility and treacherous roads.

Between 5 and 10:30 a.m., Minnesota State Patrol troopers were called to 67 crashes in the metro area, seven of which involved injuries not considered serious or life-threatening. Troopers also responded to more than 100 reports of cars spinning out or running off the road, the patrol said.

Southbound Interstate 35 near U.S. 8 in Forest Lake closed for more than an hour shortly after 9 a.m. so authorities could clear a chain-reaction crash, according to the State Patrol.

Minnesota Department of Transportation cameras showed at least a dozen vehicles involved in the pileup, many swerving into ditches to avoid trucks and semis stalled on the road or involved in previous collisions.

About the same time on the west side of the metro, southbound Interstate 494 was closed for about an hour after another multivehicle crash near Bass Lake Road in Maple Grove.

By early Thursday afternoon, 5.2 inches of snowfall was observed in Fridley, 6.2 inches at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, 4.2 inches in Lakeville and more than 3 inches in Forest Lake, according to the National Weather Service."
Winter storm brings snow emergencies, traffic mayhem - TwinCities.com (http://www.twincities.com/weather/ci_25026025/winter-storm-socks-twin-cities-just-time-morning)

"It was a messy commute Wednesday morning as snow fell throughout the state.
Statewide, the Minnesota State Patrol handled 175 crashes since midnight as of 10:30 a.m. Wednesday. There were also 192 people in the ditch or spun out, and one semi jackknifed. None of the incidents were serious or fatal.

In the Twin Cities metro, troopers handled 137 crashes with 15 injuries.
KSTP Reporter Todd Wilson and Photographer Adam Stevens were driving on Interstate 94 west past the Lowry Tunnel when they came upon a couple of spin-outs � only to get in a crash themselves."

State Patrol Responds to Hundreds of Crashes | KSTP TV - Minneapolis and St. Paul (http://kstp.com/article/stories/s3234708.shtml)

[Bobbilinko]

We only go to restaurants that take reservations or call a heads this time of year. That being said, you need to make your reservation at least a week in advance

[rubicon]

Feel like a sardine? I'd say this is like sardines:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=32143&stc=1&d=1391455292

"Commute times doubled or tripled for many motorists, and crashes closed a pair of interstates during peak travel hours. Congested roadways spanned the metro as drivers struggled with limited visibility and treacherous roads.

Between 5 and 10:30 a.m., Minnesota State Patrol troopers were called to 67 crashes in the metro area, seven of which involved injuries not considered serious or life-threatening. Troopers also responded to more than 100 reports of cars spinning out or running off the road, the patrol said.

Southbound Interstate 35 near U.S. 8 in Forest Lake closed for more than an hour shortly after 9 a.m. so authorities could clear a chain-reaction crash, according to the State Patrol.

Minnesota Department of Transportation cameras showed at least a dozen vehicles involved in the pileup, many swerving into ditches to avoid trucks and semis stalled on the road or involved in previous collisions.

About the same time on the west side of the metro, southbound Interstate 494 was closed for about an hour after another multivehicle crash near Bass Lake Road in Maple Grove.

By early Thursday afternoon, 5.2 inches of snowfall was observed in Fridley, 6.2 inches at Minneapolis-St. Paul International Airport, 4.2 inches in Lakeville and more than 3 inches in Forest Lake, according to the National Weather Service."
Winter storm brings snow emergencies, traffic mayhem - TwinCities.com (http://www.twincities.com/weather/ci_25026025/winter-storm-socks-twin-cities-just-time-morning)

"It was a messy commute Wednesday morning as snow fell throughout the state.
Statewide, the Minnesota State Patrol handled 175 crashes since midnight as of 10:30 a.m. Wednesday. There were also 192 people in the ditch or spun out, and one semi jackknifed. None of the incidents were serious or fatal.

In the Twin Cities metro, troopers handled 137 crashes with 15 injuries.
KSTP Reporter Todd Wilson and Photographer Adam Stevens were driving on Interstate 94 west past the Lowry Tunnel when they came upon a couple of spin-outs � only to get in a crash themselves."

State Patrol Responds to Hundreds of Crashes | KSTP TV - Minneapolis and St. Paul (http://kstp.com/article/stories/s3234708.shtml)

ilovetv: :1rotfl: I know I am so biased when it comes to that city, I loved living in the Minneapolis area. Hey I should change my username to ilovemn. It looks cold there but its a dry cold

[Jhooman]

We are from Southern California, it's seriously congested 100% of the time. The Villages is a delight to us. Drove by Sumter Landing Saturday, I noted the crowd and thought how nice to see folks having a grand time. Golf carts were parked everywhere, people smiling and enjoying the day.

Going to dinner at prime time, not for us. We usually try to eat early to avoid long waits or have friends to our home or theirs.

This place is simply amazing, it truly rocks.:bigbow:

[gomoho]

I believe the OPs original intent was to see if anyone had suggestions to make the situation better. Lots of people going on about it's in season, this is like a tourist destination, not as bad as where I can from. But is that any reason to accept the status quo??? I ventured out to Kohl's, Sams, and BofA at Rolling Acres and 441/27 and thought I was going to lose my mind. I hope someone is looking at this situation because it really will be like this and worse once build out occurs. Then you will really see property values drop cause people will only take so much.

[Matzy]

JB, just take it more easy. I learned as more I am expecting crowds they will be there, as more calm you react as easier it will be (old Chinese saying: "If you are in rush, take your time").
Yes, it is more crowded in this time of the year, but it will slow down soon, and as long we are not in a working process, we have the time to enjoy THE TIME.

[Bogie Shooter]

I believe the OPs original intent was to see if anyone had suggestions to make the situation better. Lots of people going on about it's in season, this is like a tourist destination, not as bad as where I can from. But is that any reason to accept the status quo??? I ventured out to Kohl's, Sams, and BofA at Rolling Acres and 441/27 and thought I was going to lose my mind. I hope someone is looking at this situation because it really will be like this and worse once build out occurs. Then you will really see property values drop cause people will only take so much.

Who is the someone you think will look at your concern of all the shoppers at the stores you mention.

[gomoho]

Who is the someone you think will look at your concern of all the shoppers at the stores you mention.

Bogie - I have no idea, but I am smart enough to know I can't figure it out. How about you??? And I wasn't only referring to "the shopping" it was the traffic, the stores, the bank.

[Mr.Kris]

Who is the someone you think will look at your concern of all the shoppers at the stores you mention.

Boogie, Boogie, Boogie

Urban planners. Infrastructure: Transportation, public works, etc. Ease of access and egress. It's a constant process managed, depending on jurisdiction, by local, state, and federal agencies.

Also, when stores max out because of demand, more stores are built. Law of supply and demand.

Government agencies and the private sector strive to provide the goods and services as the pendulum swings.

It's a constant process of harmonization.

So many questions, so little time.

[graciegirl]

Boogie, Boogie, Boogie

Urban planners. Infrastructure: Transportation, public works, etc. Ease of access and egress. It's a constant process managed, depending on jurisdiction, by local, state, and federal agencies.

Also, when stores max out because of demand, more stores are built. Law of supply and demand.

Government agencies and the private sector strive to provide the goods and services as the pendulum swings.

It's a constant process of harmonization.

So many questions, so little time.


Mr. Kris.


It is Bogie Shooter, like one over par. And this is the Magic Kingdom for seniors not your usual town. This is a CDD form of government.


My thoughts are that it will always be kinda like this with the big population in January, February and March and the older of us quietly leaving for the village of Heavenly.( St. Timothy's alone had over 200 funerals last year) and the younger of us retiring and taking their place. And so it will continue pretty much the way it is.


Anyway, a boogie is something you dance or pick out of your nose and a bogie is a senior par.


Kindest wishes.


Gracie.

[Mr.Kris]

Mr. Kris.


It is Bogie Shooter, like one over par. And this is the Magic Kingdom for seniors not your usual town. This is a CDD form of government.


My thoughts are that it will always be kinda like this with the big population in January, February and March and the older of us quietly leaving for the village of Heavenly.( St. Timothy's alone had over 200 funerals last year) and the younger of us retiring and taking their place. And so it will continue pretty much the way it is.


Anyway, a boogie is something you dance or pick out of your nose and a bogie is a senior par.


Kindest wishes.


Gracie.

Sorry about the misspelling. Obviously my spell check is not working.

But, other than what you have pointed out, I believe my posting is accurate.

Kindest wishes to you also.

[gomoho]

Mr. Kris - I agree with your posts and hope the surrounding area that we use for shopping and getting places are bigger than The Villages and some urban planner will wake up and smell the coffee!!!

[Bruiser1]

ilovetv: :1rotfl: I know I am so biased when it comes to that city, I loved living in the Minneapolis area. Hey I should change my username to ilovemn. It looks cold there but its a dry cold
And here in the Villages , events such as bike rides will be canceled because it will only hit 82 (ABOVE ZERO):BigApplause:

[JB in TV]

Yeah...Many of the replying posters got the intent of my post...thanks!

I get it that it is crowded this time of year. I never said I was in a rush. I was really trying to figure out ways to improve our experience here...ALL of our experiences. I am happy that there is so much demand and homes sell so fast. It's nice to see so much appreciation in home prices. I truely believe that the Morse family has done a fabulous job here. I think it is time for "them" to re-think some of the scheduling of events...

I hear all the time about how hard it is to get tee times...and read about folks getting in trouble for ghosting or some such thing! LOL....I don't golf yet, (a few neighbors have graciously offered to teach me) I really have no idea what is involved with the process of scheduling to go golfing,

Speaking of scheduling...To call at 7:30AM and not be able to get a same-day appointment at THEIR highly prompted as "Marcus Welby" type of neighborhood health care centers is just...well... wrong. EVERY general practice doctor's office I have ever been to keeps some time each day for "same day" appointments, that are not urgent enough for an Urgent Care Center. At least for those that call early in the day. I didn't need to see MY doctor.

So really, I am frustrated by a few things here that I see can be improved...And maybe frustrated is too strong word.

[Cantwaittoarrive]

There are plenty of things to do in the surrounding communities if TV is too crowded. For example last weekend was the Mt Dora art festival what a good time!

[LndLocked]

There are plenty of things to do in the surrounding communities if TV is too crowded. For example last weekend was the Mt Dora art festival what a good time!

lol!

Now don't get me wrong, I love the Mt Dora Arts Festival. It is one of the premier art festivals in the SE USofA with VERY high quality artists and I have gone every year for as long as I can remember .... but to suggest it is a "non crowded" alternative is not exactly true. Considering that it annually attracts over 150,000 people in 2 days!



and as to the subject of the thread ... if anyone wants to know why this part of North Centro Fla is crowded ..... look in the mirror. :icon_wink:

[jojo]

Oh come on now, folks.

I drove my golf cart to the Chili Cook Off on Saturday, got there at noon, parked in back of City Fire, went with the flow of people around to the chili stations, visited lots of exhibitors, sat in a chair a while on the square - and had a wonderful time.

Where we came from in the DC burbs, we would have to drive in heavy traffic at lrast 40 minutes to go to a restaurant AND wait for a table ANY time of year. The Villages is paradise all year long. Do a little personal adjusting in high season and ENJOY yourselves.

Buggyone makes a good point. I too went to the chili cookoff at 1 p.m. Plenty of parking, no lines for the chili, and easy access. So even special events can be navigated if you don't go at what is likely to be peak times.

[Bizdoc]

Speaking of scheduling...To call at 7:30AM and not be able to get a same-day appointment at THEIR highly prompted as "Marcus Welby" type of neighborhood health care centers is just...well... wrong. EVERY general practice doctor's office I have ever been to keeps some time each day for "same day" appointments, that are not urgent enough for an Urgent Care Center. At least for those that call early in the day. I didn't need to see MY doctor.



Part of the overload is that one of the doctors is out of commission after surgery. That means that his load has to be covered by the rest of the docs.

And yes, doctors get sick and injured, too. I suspect that they will be back to their usual same day routine shortly.

After a year of care at Colony, I can report never getting put off regarding an appointment.

[Bizdoc]

After a year and 2 months here in wonderland, I can honestly say that the crowds get to me now and then. That having been said, a few observations:

1) Everyone seems to want to be at the same place at the same time. If you go early or late, it is pretty easy to get seated at many of the restaurants. If you aren't flexible, you will wait. Or, you can always make reservations...

2) We took company to R.J. Gator's at around 6:30 on Saturday and walked right in.

3) there are well over 100,000 of us. Any event held (regardless of time of year) is going to be busy. Look at the crowd for the Christmas parade.

4) Popular bands pack the squares regardless of the time of year.

5) Colony Publix is busy (yes, we all agree on that one). why not go to the one by Spanish Springs? It was virtually empty at 4 pm today?

We have the events and concerts which we have because we are large enough to attract the talent. If we had 5,000 residents, we would not have a fraction of the shows.

Flexibility helps deal with much of the overcrowding.

[Cedwards38]

It's not too big for me. In fact, it may not be big enough. The development and building of the infrastructure, including restaurants, shopping, roads, doctors, etc. can't keep up with the demand for housing. Everyone (Baby Boomers) wants to be a part of The Villages. The infrastructure will catch up. What we know about capitalism is that demand will bring supply. With more people there will be more of other stuff to take care of those people. Just have to be patient and wait for everything to catch up.

[ilovetv]

Yeah...Many of the replying posters got the intent of my post...thanks!

I get it that it is crowded this time of year. I never said I was in a rush. I was really trying to figure out ways to improve our experience here...ALL of our experiences. I am happy that there is so much demand and homes sell so fast. It's nice to see so much appreciation in home prices. I truely believe that the Morse family has done a fabulous job here. I think it is time for "them" to re-think some of the scheduling of events...

Speaking of scheduling...To call at 7:30AM and not be able to get a same-day appointment at THEIR highly prompted as "Marcus Welby" type of neighborhood health care centers is just...well...wrong. EVERY general practice doctor's office I have ever been to keeps some time each day for "same day" appointments, that are not urgent enough for an Urgent Care Center. At least for those that call early in the day. I didn't need to see MY doctor.

So really, I am frustrated by a few things here that I see can be improved...And maybe frustrated is too strong word.

Regardless of the influx of population here, the nationwide shortage of primary care doctors (due to limits and too few residency training slots) will continue to affect the ease/dificulty of getting in to see one's doctor, as we baby boomers reach age 60-65 now. See:

Physician Shortages to Worsen Without Increases in Residency Training:
https://www.aamc.org/download/286592/data/

[boomerbaby]

We are here 4 yrs. now and every winter it is very busy here, when April comes you see a difference and by May it is back to a normallcy but this year the traffic has really increase and it is due to all the new homes south of 466a so it will continue to be more congested until the build out ends. I really wish the build out would end as originally planned as we were told when we built here, I now take the attitude it is what it is. The thing that really upset me was that the original poster said he could not get in to see his dr. They should be keeping spots open for their patients that are not feeling well. You should not be told by your dr. to go to urgent care. Marcus Welby never would have done that.

[pbeinetti]

I empathize with OP. We are full timers as of 2 years ago, and rented 2 years before. The change over those 4 years is incredible. If all the building were to stop right now, and the infrastructure were to stay the same, I wouldn't be concerned. Yes, there are times when I would like to get into a restaurant, and can't. And, get a tee time, but can't. But, not a big deal -- I can deal with that. My concern is the future. Experiencing the growth over the past 4 years, and then projecting into the future -- yes, I DO believe there is a problem just over the horizon. Janet Tutt said recently that the stop light at Colony Cottage may not be sufficient in the future. But, that they (I assume the developer) want to see what it will be like when the traffic has 'settled', after the 8000+/- people south of Hillsborough, and Fruitland Park Villages move in, and future commercialization is done. I don't know what she is referring to about 'future commercialization'. Maybe there is something on the drawing boards that none of us know about. I do know that the 8000+/- people will be here within 2 years which will add incredible strain to the existing amenities and infrastructure. I wrote Janet Tutt an email after I read about her 'commercialization' comment, and she wrote me back that it's not her department -- she would forward my email to the right person, who I never heard from. Will TV get it right over the next few years? I don't know. The Colony Plaza, and surrounding area, design is a mess. For those of us who use Micro Racetrack road, to Rolling Acres, to Home Depot, etc., it has already become a nightmare. Imagine when 4000 more people are in the Fruitland Park Villages, and south of Hillsborough is built out. IF there are not places for these people to shop, Microracetrack/Rolling Acres will be chaos. I have spoken with the person who is in charge of future road planning in the Sumter and Lake County area. I asked him what the plans are for north/south roads. His answer was that they are studying a new north/south corridor. When I asked his opinion on when this might be built, his answer was in about 20 years -- no joke.

Are we too crowded now? I don't think so. But, I do believe the handwriting is on the wall.

[ilovetv]

I empathize with OP. We are full timers as of 2 years ago, and rented 2 years before. The change over those 4 years is incredible. If all the building were to stop right now, and the infrastructure were to stay the same, I wouldn't be concerned. Yes, there are times when I would like to get into a restaurant, and can't. And, get a tee time, but can't. But, not a big deal -- I can deal with that. My concern is the future. Experiencing the growth over the past 4 years, and then projecting into the future -- yes, I DO believe there is a problem just over the horizon. Janet Tutt said recently that the stop light at Colony Cottage may not be sufficient in the future. But, that they (I assume the developer) want to see what it will be like when the traffic has 'settled', after the 8000+/- people south of Hillsborough, and Fruitland Park Villages move in, and future commercialization is done. I don't know what she is referring to about 'future commercialization'. Maybe there is something on the drawing boards that none of us know about. I do know that the 8000+/- people will be here within 2 years which will add incredible strain to the existing amenities and infrastructure. I wrote Janet Tutt an email after I read about her 'commercialization' comment, and she wrote me back that it's not her department -- she would forward my email to the right person, who I never heard from. Will TV get it right over the next few years? I don't know. The Colony Plaza, and surrounding area, design is a mess.

For those of us who use Micro Racetrack road, to Rolling Acres, to Home Depot, etc., it has already become a nightmare. Imagine when 4000 more people are in the Fruitland Park Villages, and south of Hillsborough is built out. IF there are not places for these people to shop, Microracetrack/Rolling Acres will be chaos. I have spoken with the person who is in charge of future road planning in the Sumter and Lake County area. I asked him what the plans are for north/south roads. His answer was that they are studying a new north/south corridor. When I asked his opinion on when this might be built, his answer was in about 20 years -- no joke.
Are we too crowded now? I don't think so. But, I do believe the handwriting is on the wall.

Two things:

From 466-A, it's much slower and more clogged to get to Rolling Acres on Micro Racetrack Rd than it is to go--continuously without stopping--on Morse Blvd.

Fruitland Park new villages will be accompanied by more shopping centers and commercial properties along 466-A, which the developer will surely fund for widening.

If anybody has a grip on city planning, it is The Villages and the Morse team. They get things done, and the funding is in place before starting. (What a concept!)

[TGRANNYT]

I love it here and the crowds don't bother me too much. When we go out for dinner we go early and skip our at-home lunch. It works. It's like ghost town here in July; I kind of like this better.

[Bogie Shooter]

I empathize with OP. We are full timers as of 2 years ago, and rented 2 years before. The change over those 4 years is incredible. If all the building were to stop right now, and the infrastructure were to stay the same, I wouldn't be concerned. Yes, there are times when I would like to get into a restaurant, and can't. And, get a tee time, but can't. But, not a big deal -- I can deal with that. My concern is the future. Experiencing the growth over the past 4 years, and then projecting into the future -- yes, I DO believe there is a problem just over the horizon. Janet Tutt said recently that the stop light at Colony Cottage may not be sufficient in the future. But, that they (I assume the developer) want to see what it will be like when the traffic has 'settled', after the 8000+/- people south of Hillsborough, and Fruitland Park Villages move in, and future commercialization is done. I don't know what she is referring to about 'future commercialization'. Maybe there is something on the drawing boards that none of us know about. I do know that the 8000+/- people will be here within 2 years which will add incredible strain to the existing amenities and infrastructure. I wrote Janet Tutt an email after I read about her 'commercialization' comment, and she wrote me back that it's not her department -- she would forward my email to the right person, who I never heard from. Will TV get it right over the next few years? I don't know. The Colony Plaza, and surrounding area, design is a mess. For those of us who use Micro Racetrack road, to Rolling Acres, to Home Depot, etc., it has already become a nightmare. Imagine when 4000 more people are in the Fruitland Park Villages, and south of Hillsborough is built out. IF there are not places for these people to shop, Microracetrack/Rolling Acres will be chaos. I have spoken with the person who is in charge of future road planning in the Sumter and Lake County area. I asked him what the plans are for north/south roads. His answer was that they are studying a new north/south corridor. When I asked his opinion on when this might be built, his answer was in about 20 years -- no joke.

Are we too crowded now? I don't think so. But, I do believe the handwriting is on the wall.

The road planners don't sit around for years to make something happen.
I been here for 12 years and when a problem comes up it is attended to.
Intersection of 466 & 301. I noticed this fall that traffic was beginning to back up for those wanting to turn south on 301 going west on on 466, and those turning east on 466 going south on 301. Guess what construction will start this week to provide two turning lanes for both turns.........problem solved.
Did you know that 466A is being widened from the County Service Center west to 301?
If Lake County could get their act together 466A would be 4 lanes from Colony east to 441/27
If there is a north south corridor being studied, it will not take Mr. Morse 20 years to make it happen.
BTW if you cannot get a tee time add more courses and widen you time window.....been bumped 2 times in the last 4 years.

[Big O]

Yeah...Many of the replying posters got the intent of my post...thanks!

I get it that it is crowded this time of year. I never said I was in a rush. I was really trying to figure out ways to improve our experience here...ALL of our experiences. I am happy that there is so much demand and homes sell so fast. It's nice to see so much appreciation in home prices. I truely believe that the Morse family has done a fabulous job here. I think it is time for "them" to re-think some of the scheduling of events...

I hear all the time about how hard it is to get tee times...and read about folks getting in trouble for ghosting or some such thing! LOL....I don't golf yet, (a few neighbors have graciously offered to teach me) I really have no idea what is involved with the process of scheduling to go golfing,

Speaking of scheduling...To call at 7:30AM and not be able to get a same-day appointment at THEIR highly prompted as "Marcus Welby" type of neighborhood health care centers is just...well... wrong. EVERY general practice doctor's office I have ever been to keeps some time each day for "same day" appointments, that are not urgent enough for an Urgent Care Center. At least for those that call early in the day. I didn't need to see MY doctor.

So really, I am frustrated by a few things here that I see can be improved...And maybe frustrated is too strong word.



I'm sorry, but demanding a same day appointment in my mind is an emergency unless you pay for concierge medicine. I am happy if I get an appointment within a week.

[ilovetv]

The road planners don't sit around for years to make something happen.
I been here for 12 years and when a problem comes up it is attended to.
Intersection of 466 & 301. I noticed this fall that traffic was beginning to back up for those wanting to turn south on 301 going west on on 466, and those turning east on 466 going south on 301. Guess what construction will start this week to provide two turning lanes for both turns.........problem solved.
Did you know that 466A is being widened from the County Service Center west to 301?
If Lake County could get their act together 466A would be 4 lanes from Colony east to 441/27
If there is a north south corridor being studied, it will not take Mr. Morse 20 years to make it happen.
BTW if you cannot get a tee time add more courses and widen you time window.....been bumped 2 times in the last 4 years.

:clap2: :clap2: :clap2: :clap2:

[renielarson]

It is what it is so just...

Simmer Down Now - Simmer to down to now - YouTube



:1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl::1rotfl:

[Indy-Guy]

The developer keeps doing what he can do to slow down growth by raising home prices but the homes just keep on selling!

That tells me that we made a good choice by choosing The Villages.

[justjim]

The developer keeps doing what he can do to slow down growth by raising home prices but the homes just keep on selling!

That tells me that we made a good choice by choosing The Villages.

So that is the reason prices of homes have increased----I've been wondering!

[njbchbum]

I empathize with OP. We are full timers as of 2 years ago, and rented 2 years before. The change over those 4 years is incredible. If all the building were to stop right now, and the infrastructure were to stay the same, I wouldn't be concerned. Yes, there are times when I would like to get into a restaurant, and can't. And, get a tee time, but can't. But, not a big deal -- I can deal with that. My concern is the future. Experiencing the growth over the past 4 years, and then projecting into the future -- yes, I DO believe there is a problem just over the horizon. Janet Tutt said recently that the stop light at Colony Cottage may not be sufficient in the future. But, that they (I assume the developer) want to see what it will be like when the traffic has 'settled', after the 8000+/- people south of Hillsborough, and Fruitland Park Villages move in, and future commercialization is done. I don't know what she is referring to about 'future commercialization'. Maybe there is something on the drawing boards that none of us know about. I do know that the 8000+/- people will be here within 2 years which will add incredible strain to the existing amenities and infrastructure. I wrote Janet Tutt an email after I read about her 'commercialization' comment, and she wrote me back that it's not her department -- she would forward my email to the right person, who I never heard from. Will TV get it right over the next few years? I don't know. The Colony Plaza, and surrounding area, design is a mess. For those of us who use Micro Racetrack road, to Rolling Acres, to Home Depot, etc., it has already become a nightmare. Imagine when 4000 more people are in the Fruitland Park Villages, and south of Hillsborough is built out. IF there are not places for these people to shop, Microracetrack/Rolling Acres will be chaos. I have spoken with the person who is in charge of future road planning in the Sumter and Lake County area. I asked him what the plans are for north/south roads. His answer was that they are studying a new north/south corridor. When I asked his opinion on when this might be built, his answer was in about 20 years -- no joke.

Are we too crowded now? I don't think so. But, I do believe the handwriting is on the wall.

Can *anyone* explain to me how they believe there are going to be 8,000 more year-round residents when the build-out is complete...as opposed to many new owners - many of whom will be part-time residents? I just don't see that *every* house in *every* village will *ever* be inhabited with 2 year-round residents!

[njbchbum]

I believe the OPs original intent was to see if anyone had suggestions to make the situation better. Lots of people going on about it's in season, this is like a tourist destination, not as bad as where I can from. But is that any reason to accept the status quo??? I ventured out to Kohl's, Sams, and BofA at Rolling Acres and 441/27 and thought I was going to lose my mind. I hope someone is looking at this situation because it really will be like this and worse once build out occurs. Then you will really see property values drop cause people will only take so much.

gomoho - What is causing you to lose your mind about that area? I have been driving up and down 27/441 between Ocala and Leesburg and the *only* area driving me nuts is that road re-construction from F.P south that is now in its *3rd year*!!!!! A project like that one would never take 3 yrs to complete in NJ - where crews cannot work all year round even!!!! The worst traffic light we have encountered is turning left from 466 onto Rolling Acres Rd or turning left from 466 onto Morse to go to LSL. So in the first example we now use Morse Blvd instead of Rolling Acres Rd and in the second example we either avoid going to LSL or we use Morse Blvd again.

[2BNTV]

Being here only a short time, I have noticed an increase in traffic when travelling about. The restaurants seem more full, and crowding in general, seems to be on the uptick.

I love when there are a lot of of people in restaurants, that pump money into our economy. I would plan accordingly, if one wants to go to a restaurant, and be seated in a short time span. Eating at home is another option, if one doesn't want to deal with crowds.

To me. it's a matter of tolerance. Those of us that come from big cities are use to crowds and expect wait times at restaurants and shopping.You go with the flow. For those that have moved here from small towns, and expect to be able to go about their business, as if they are the only one's that count, is unrealistic.

My doctor leaves a couple of appt's open for emergencies, as opposed to going to urgent care, is one solution that needs to be explored. One must find a doctor who's policy is to get patients in on an emegency basis, if at all possible. It's difficult, but it can be done.

It's a matter of tolerance and perception. Those of us who have come from big citites are more tolerant of wait times, as patience is the key. Those who love the small town feel, will grow more disenchanted, in the size TV, will grow to. Only Mr. Morse knows when build out will end. As gets bigger, the corresponding changes that need to be made of terms of stores and shopping will be addressed by Mr. Morse. He has done a wonderful job and I will be always amazed at his vision, and acumen for getting things that need to be done, in a timely fashion.

Patience, grasshopper. :smiley:

[graciegirl]

The road planners don't sit around for years to make something happen.
I been here for 12 years and when a problem comes up it is attended to.
Intersection of 466 & 301. I noticed this fall that traffic was beginning to back up for those wanting to turn south on 301 going west on on 466, and those turning east on 466 going south on 301. Guess what construction will start this week to provide two turning lanes for both turns.........problem solved.
Did you know that 466A is being widened from the County Service Center west to 301?
If Lake County could get their act together 466A would be 4 lanes from Colony east to 441/27
If there is a north south corridor being studied, it will not take Mr. Morse 20 years to make it happen.
BTW if you cannot get a tee time add more courses and widen you time window.....been bumped 2 times in the last 4 years.



You are right as usual Bogie. Some day I hope to shake your hand.

[billethkid]

it's kinda like having a bushel of apples with only one that has a bad spot on it and all that gets talked about is the bad apple!

It takes maybe 15 minutes to get anywhere in TV.....no matter what the season. Relax...take your time and allow for the extra car or two or minute or two here and there.

Let's talk about the other apples in the bushel!:wave:

[villages07]

Definitely more busy over the years, but, coming from a major metropolitan area, still way better than city living and probably much better movement than many Florida cities in high season.

When we arrived in 2006, we did most of our shopping at Southern Trace....that Publix was a zoo. Now, it always seems to have a manageable volume. When Colony opened it was a ghost town, checkers at Publix were literally begging you to come into their line. With Pinellas now open and work starting on a commercial center west of Brownwood that is supposed to include Publix, things will smooth out and traffic/shopping should spread out more. Not perfect but better.

I enjoy all the seasonal residents/renters and their visitors and the life and energy that is injected into our hometown. I also cherish the other three seasons where the pace is calmer and the weather is warmer. The cycles of life. Still nowhere else I want to be than here.

[Mikeod]

Definitely more busy over the years, but, coming from a major metropolitan area, still way better than city living and probably much better movement than many Florida cities in high season.

When we arrived in 2006, we did most of our shopping at Southern Trace....that Publix was a zoo. Now, it always seems to have a manageable volume. When Colony opened it was a ghost town, checkers at Publix were literally begging you to come into their line. With Pinellas now open and work starting on a commercial center west of Brownwood that is supposed to include Publix, things will smooth out and traffic/shopping should spread out more. Not perfect but better.

I enjoy all the seasonal residents/renters and their visitors and the life and energy that is injected into our hometown. I also cherish the other three seasons where the pace is calmer and the weather is warmer. The cycles of life. Still nowhere else I want to be than here.
:agree:

[pbeinetti]

I stand by my last sentence -- "Are we too crowded now? I don't think so. But, I do believe the handwriting is on the wall."

[graciegirl]

I stand by my last sentence -- "Are we too crowded now? I don't think so. But, I do believe the handwriting is on the wall."



AND I stand by my reasoning that people have the annoying habit of dying and their property is then sold to younger folks who snowbird, usually.

[salpal]

Yes too crowded. We just adjust -- leave at least ten minutes earlier than we normally would off season, eat out less, grocery shop at odd hours, visit restaurants outside the bubble --and don't ask me their names, not telling, we can still get in without a wait in January.....

Also, we quiit some activities at Rec Centers until April or May and spend more time with friends, hobbies, household repairs, etc. We actually considered renting out our home during Jan/Feb & March and renting someplace warmer and smaller. We have not done this yet, but it is an idea for those of you who it REALLY bothers.

Otherwise, just chill, this too shall pass. We need the birds & flakes.

[Bruiser1]

gomoho - What is causing you to lose your mind about that area? I have been driving up and down 27/441 between Ocala and Leesburg and the *only* area driving me nuts is that road re-construction from F.P south that is now in its *3rd year*!!!!! A project like that one would never take 3 yrs to complete in NJ - where crews cannot work all year round even!!!! The worst traffic light we have encountered is turning left from 466 onto Rolling Acres Rd or turning left from 466 onto Morse to go to LSL. So in the first example we now use Morse Blvd instead of Rolling Acres Rd and in the second example we either avoid going to LSL or we use Morse Blvd again.


I agree with you on the "construction project" on 27 . In Minnesota it would have been done in 6 months tops. We've had a twenty mile (2lane to 4 lane) completed in 3calendar years (18 months of construction) .
:crap2:

[Golfingnut]

The Villages is crowded, but far from over or too crowded to enjoy. Now that the economy is doing so much better than back in 08 when we started looking, I predict bigger and better things to come. Our home has came up in value in this short time to compensate for the loss when we sold up north before coming down. The big difference is that folks in the Villages go out to dinner, party with friends and get involved in sports at a rate ten times the rate of doing these things up north. Can you imagine your home town if everyone was out and about like we are here.

[collie1228]

This is our second winter in TV, and there is no doubt in my mind that the traffic has increased since last winter, and everything is much busier, especially restaurants. That being said, I am still able to play championship golf twice a week at a reasonable time, and we are able to play executive courses 1-2 times a week as well. I arrange a neighborhood couples scramble on executive courses north of 466 every week for 24-32 golfers, and we haven't had to miss a week yet due to lack of tee times (the villages.net tee time system is excellent). We tend to go to lunch instead of dinner over this three month period, which works for us. We went to dinner early on Friday (5:00PM) and were immediately seated at Bamboo Bistro - By 5:30 the place was full. My point is that you need to be flexible, and just get through this "difficult time". We are very happy to be full-timers, so we get 8-9 months of peace and quiet, good tee times, lots of activities, and great weather. We sometimes complain a little bit about the crowds, but we realize that without the snowbirds, the cost for us to live in TV would be a lot higher. Thanks to the snowbirds for paying for all twelve months but only using 3-4. It's a great deal for us.

[Polar Bear]

Coming from Pinellas County (St. Pete/Tampa area) I chuckle to myself when I read about the unbearable crowds and traffic in TV. It simply isn't that bad IMHO...especially for only a few months out of the year.

I think collie sums it up pretty well.

[2BNTV]

This is our second winter in TV, and there is no doubt in my mind that the traffic has increased since last winter, and everything is much busier, especially restaurants. That being said, I am still able to play championship golf twice a week at a reasonable time, and we are able to play executive courses 1-2 times a week as well. I arrange a neighborhood couples scramble on executive courses north of 466 every week for 24-32 golfers, and we haven't had to miss a week yet due to lack of tee times (the villages.net tee time system is excellent). We tend to go to lunch instead of dinner over this three month period, which works for us. We went to dinner early on Friday (5:00PM) and were immediately seated at Bamboo Bistro - By 5:30 the place was full. My point is that you need to be flexible, and just get through this "difficult time". We are very happy to be full-timers, so we get 8-9 months of peace and quiet, good tee times, lots of activities, and great weather. We sometimes complain a little bit about the crowds, but we realize that without the snowbirds, the cost for us to live in TV would be a lot higher. Thanks to the snowbirds for paying for all twelve months but only using 3-4. It's a great deal for us.

Excellent post. :bigbow:

[manaboutown]

The Villages is a high growth rate development. Having experienced this in Phoenix and another area infrastructure development typically lags population needs. I remember the children in Phoenix having to go to school in shifts because there were not enough schools for them. In The Villages the developer seems to pretty much be on top of and even ahead of growth in many ways. The streets and highways are another matter and not under the developer's control (except for the interchange being built). Similarly the retail, restaurants, service stations and other businesses probably lag growth.

On the happy side, as a community grows, normally more businesses establish themselves. I consider this a good thing. More competition brings more variety as well as perhaps lower prices. The Villages started in a rural area lacking much in the way of retail and restaurant choices. As it continues to grow more businesses will move in to service the needs of the populace. Who knows, maybe a Maserati or Lamborghini dealer may give The Villages a try!

[buggyone]

Our home has came up in value in this short time to compensate for the loss when we sold up north before coming down. .


Lou,
I don't quite understand the above part of your post. I understand selling your previous house at a loss and the increase in value of your home here - but isn't that just "on paper". You don't profit in the increased value of your Villages home until it is sold, do you - and we sure don't want you thinking about moving out. The Bud Lite sales in The Villages would plummet if that ever happened.

[Golfingnut]

Lou,
I don't quite understand the above part of your post. I understand selling your previous house at a loss and the increase in value of your home here - but isn't that just "on paper". You don't profit in the increased value of your Villages home until it is sold, do you - and we sure don't want you thinking about moving out. The Bud Lite sales in The Villages would plummet if that ever happened.

Your right on point, and I hope I never benefit from the increase in value, but our children will certainly benefit from in increase in sale value from our 2009 purchase price. They will have no idea about our loss up north, just a warm and fussy from a half million dollar sale after we frog out in florida.

[mickey100]

It seems that those who come from tourist areas or busy metropolitan areas have less trouble adjusting to the high traffic and population in The Villages, particularly during high season, than those who might come from smaller communities or rural areas.

We came here about 10 years ago, from a rural area, and obviously TV was much less crowded back then. But even then it was an adjustment for us. We could get through it knowing that the crowds would die down and be gone by the end of April. However with the large growth and expansion, and little to no expansion of transportation conduits, traffic is becoming a problem year round. I hate going out on Route 27/441 or Route 466 in the afternoon. Its brutal. We counteract that by traveling on the busy roads at non-peak times whenever possible. We've been avoiding local restaurants and dining away from The Villages, or mostly eat at home or party at friends' houses during this busy time. I love the snowbirds, but it is really difficult to deal with the crowds and heavy traffic this time of year. When we originally bought, we had no idea it would reach the level it has.

[Matzy]

Hmmmh, yes, TV get's too big! Sorry for that to start one question in case of that.
Actually, I do not want to complain because I already knew very well it what it could happen before we decided to come to The Villages.
I was born during WWII in Germany, remembering bombing nights and days, grew up in ruins, nothing to eat, occupation by Red Army before we went west. I spent my whole life helping others, teaching and medical help,very often voluntarily, Army (NATO), and so I saw a lot of things I don't want to explain (because it is so bad and sad).
And then I found a place which is wonderful, have wonderful neighbors and a lot of very nice people around me, almost a super perfect place to live after a very busy life. Yes, this place has sometimes high seasons, sometimes are things I do not agree because it does not fit 110% that what I am expecting, but it is still a wonderful place to live.

And now, after thinking about me and this place - it is not NYC - I can't complain, just be happy every day with a smile for everybody, even I have to wait for a seat at restaurants, I am just HAPPY here. I hope you can understand me.

[Matzy]

Sorry, I forgot one more thing to ad to my last post: Thank YOU, wherever you are right now, and thank you for all I can experience right now. Also with the possible crowd, thank you all that you are so nice.

[Dani Forbes]

I agree with the crowds, and that we have to be patient My beef is people with little dogs, who push them in strollers, especially on Market Nights. Do they really have to have the dog with them? I guess they put them in strollers so they wouldn't get stepped on, but really? Bringing the strollers into Restaurants, or grocery stores just doesn't seem right to me?

Just my "pet" peeve for today!

[Diane G]

Does anyone know the percentage of Villagers who are snowbirds?

[Steve & Deanna]

I remember when we were 'on the outside looking in.' Now, with crowds, we do what we want, put up with some traffic, a little golf, a little bit of the Squares at night, get together with friends for cards, It's all good. Once more business gets into Brownwood, people aren't going to want to travel eight miles. I have to say that we got quite a chuckle watching newbies walk around in shorts, golf shirts and sandals when it's 48 degrees out. My only major gripe is Bingo. Can't get seats nearby in our neighborhood for the last few years....even showing up ahead of time.

[geri317]

Watching the building of new homes, some we expected, some we didn't know about, sometimes scares me. What if this Paradise of ours "blows" up it our faces. We bought here because of what it has to offer for retirees, but each year the crowds get worse during season and the streets, restaurants, recreation centers, pools, golf courses are overflowing with people. The Villages can't keep up with the additional snowbirds, renters, buyers. We are in overload. What will it be like in a few years?

[ricklowe]

It surprises me that no one has mentioned the new development on 301 and 466! The Villages are building 542 new homes to support the growing need for housing for people that work in the villages with family's. (Doctors,Nurses, Construction, Business owners etc,). It seams as though the new residents in that aria will attract new businesses to Buffalo ridge. that development will alleviate some of the congestion on 466a and 44 in the coming years.

[graciegirl]

Watching the building of new homes, some we expected, some we didn't know about, sometimes scares me. What if this Paradise of ours "blows" up it our faces. We bought here because of what it has to offer for retirees, but each year the crowds get worse during season and the streets, restaurants, recreation centers, pools, golf courses are overflowing with people. The Villages can't keep up with the additional snowbirds, renters, buyers. We are in overload. What will it be like in a few years?



I would guess it will be about the same. At the rate that people move in, they age and grow old and die. As they age they are not as interactive in the community and do not take up as many spaces at events. And there is a lot of been there, done that even with the young vibrant crowd. The high season is the time when these questions arise and people are annoyed because we have visitors who don't own here and don't intend to own here and do not treasure this space the way we Villagers do.


The fast growth of population here is unprecedented. The restaurants and business venues will come, just as they did in the past. The bulk of the growth here has been in the past fifteen years.


I think we are all sitting on a gold mine if we own property. But I could be wrong, but it won't matter to most of us in twenty years. At all.

[villagerjack]

I would guess it will be about the same. At the rate that people move in, they age and grow old and die. As they age they are not as interactive in the community and do not take up as many spaces at events. And there is a lot of been there, done that even with the young vibrant crowd. The high season is the time when these questions arise and people are annoyed because we have visitors who don't own here and don't intend to own here and do not treasure this space the way we Villagers do.


The fast growth of population here is unprecedented. The restaurants and business venues will come, just as they did in the past. The bulk of the growth here has been in the past fifteen years.


I think we are all sitting on a gold mine if we own property. But I could be wrong, but it won't matter to most of us in twenty years. At all.

I agree Gracie. BTW do a lot of stuff here and I really do not feel that it is over crowded. Depends on your perspective I guess.

[JB in TV]

Thank you all for a healthy discusssion! Many, many good points have been raised. My intial post was based on frustration from two personal experiences...and one that was recently posted here regarding Bingo tickets. (Gracie) I've never been a great writer, so I may not have expressed as clearly as I could have what I was thinking. My thoughts were more directed to the fact that perhaps the Villages is getting too big for the way events are being organized...

There have been many suggestions in how to deal with the crowds this time of year...for the few I hadn't thought of, THANKS!

My main reason for positng was to get people's thoughts on how to improve the event planning here. The only idea I have regarding the Home and Garden show (and a few other "shows" that get over crowded) is to make them a two day event...But I have no idea if that is feasible here. There are certainly other places that deal with large number of people...just two examples, Disney, and the two large Royal Caribbean ships, the Allure, and the Oasis of the Seas. Disney has a central reservation system for dinner venues, and the two ships I mentioned have a reservation system for the many shows and activities on board. The fact that the restaurants here are all individually owned creates some obstacle, but why couldn't there be a website that shows each restaurant and their seating availability..allowing folks to make a reservation..or decide to go elsewhere? This is just one idea from a person who admittedly...first, is not very creative, and second, doesn't have all the info needed to make these kinds of suggestions.

[Golfingnut]

I would guess it will be about the same. At the rate that people move in, they age and grow old and die. As they age they are not as interactive in the community and do not take up as many spaces at events. And there is a lot of been there, done that even with the young vibrant crowd. The high season is the time when these questions arise and people are annoyed because we have visitors who don't own here and don't intend to own here and do not treasure this space the way we Villagers do.


The fast growth of population here is unprecedented. The restaurants and business venues will come, just as they did in the past. The bulk of the growth here has been in the past fifteen years.


I think we are all sitting on a gold mine if we own property. But I could be wrong, but it won't matter to most of us in twenty years. At all.

That's where we're at. We put in for golf a little quicker, gto to dinner a little earlier, but basically do the same things as in the summer. You can whine and complain or you can start early, slow down and enjoy. The way you feel when you go to bed at night is up to you. We never end the day without a hug and a sincere I LOVE YOU. That will help with tomorrow every time.

[2BNTV]

That's where we're at. We put in for golf a little quicker, to dinner a little earlier, but basically do the same things as in the summer. You can whine and complain or you can start early, slow down and enjoy. The way you feel when you go to bed at night is up to you. We never end the day without a hug and a sincere I LOVE YOU. That will help with tomorrow every time.

Nice post Lou.

People are about as happy, as they make up their minds, to be. A. Lincoln

[peteg]

Sorry if you have to wait over 1 hour at your fav eaterie. However this problem is a lack of facilities not just TV getting too large. Balance this with the summer situation when there is a lack of patrons - this is a "problem" the world over at peak times - just relax and enjoy !!
If there is a lack of parking spaces at events could car parks (or some of them) be only open to carts which doubles the number of vehicles that can park

[cquick]

said it before,will say it again:

:a040::a040:I LOVE THE SNOWBIRDS! THE VILLAGES WOULDN'T BE THE SAME WITHOUT THEM! KEEP 'EM COMING! :a040::a040:

[Carpe Diem]

Snowbirds? Go down to Disneyland. I think it's their slow time.

[shcisamax]

I empathize with OP. We are full timers as of 2 years ago, and rented 2 years before. The change over those 4 years is incredible. If all the building were to stop right now, and the infrastructure were to stay the same, I wouldn't be concerned. Yes, there are times when I would like to get into a restaurant, and can't. And, get a tee time, but can't. But, not a big deal -- I can deal with that. My concern is the future. Experiencing the growth over the past 4 years, and then projecting into the future -- yes, I DO believe there is a problem just over the horizon. Janet Tutt said recently that the stop light at Colony Cottage may not be sufficient in the future. But, that they (I assume the developer) want to see what it will be like when the traffic has 'settled', after the 8000+/- people south of Hillsborough, and Fruitland Park Villages move in, and future commercialization is done. I don't know what she is referring to about 'future commercialization'. Maybe there is something on the drawing boards that none of us know about. I do know that the 8000+/- people will be here within 2 years which will add incredible strain to the existing amenities and infrastructure. I wrote Janet Tutt an email after I read about her 'commercialization' comment, and she wrote me back that it's not her department -- she would forward my email to the right person, who I never heard from. Will TV get it right over the next few years? I don't know. The Colony Plaza, and surrounding area, design is a mess. For those of us who use Micro Racetrack road, to Rolling Acres, to Home Depot, etc., it has already become a nightmare. Imagine when 4000 more people are in the Fruitland Park Villages, and south of Hillsborough is built out. IF there are not places for these people to shop, Microracetrack/Rolling Acres will be chaos. I have spoken with the person who is in charge of future road planning in the Sumter and Lake County area. I asked him what the plans are for north/south roads. His answer was that they are studying a new north/south corridor. When I asked his opinion on when this might be built, his answer was in about 20 years -- no joke.

Are we too crowded now? I don't think so. But, I do believe the handwriting is on the wall.


I have to say I have recently been thinking the same thing. We haven't even been here a full two years yet but watching and experiencing the change from last year to this and thinking about how it will be after the "imaginary" buildout is concerning.

[rubicon]

I believe the OPs original intent was to see if anyone had suggestions to make the situation better. Lots of people going on about it's in season, this is like a tourist destination, not as bad as where I can from. But is that any reason to accept the status quo??? I ventured out to Kohl's, Sams, and BofA at Rolling Acres and 441/27 and thought I was going to lose my mind. I hope someone is looking at this situation because it really will be like this and worse once build out occurs. Then you will really see property values drop cause people will only take so much.

gomoho: I made that same observation on this forum a few years back. I thought I was buying into a retirement community and instead it was being developed as a tourist destination. I understand homeowners legal rights to the use of their property but it was one of the reasons I did not embrace renting agreements. but that is Florida ..the good...the bad.. the I need to get away from the snow and cold of it

[rubicon]

Oh come on now, folks.

I drove my golf cart to the Chili Cook Off on Saturday, got there at noon, parked in back of City Fire, went with the flow of people around to the chili stations, visited lots of exhibitors, sat in a chair a while on the square - and had a wonderful time.

Where we came from in the DC burbs, we would have to drive in heavy traffic at lrast 40 minutes to go to a restaurant AND wait for a table ANY time of year. The Villages is paradise all year long. Do a little personal adjusting in high season and ENJOY yourselves.

buggyone: If I am not mistaken on the day of the chili cook off it was cold. Now I enjoy chili on a cold day but prefer to have mine indoors. The cold weather could have explained how you managed to go with the flow . heck i'll be there was plenty of room to dance at any of the squares that day:cold:

Personal Best Regards:

[perrjojo]

Too big? It's all a matter of perspective, isn't it? Some think NYC is too big. Others love NYC. I loved TV when it only had Spanish Springs and I love it now. Is it different? You bet, but it's still a great place to live.

[billethkid]

well consolation the number of homes remaining till build out are a lot less than have been built in the last 3 or 4 years.

Another consideration is when the dreaded build out does occur there won't be any more growth will there.

So for those wearing out their worry beads.....and using a similar tone......the growth you are experiencing is about as bad as it is going to get right now.....

so....RELAX!!! (meant to be humorous)

[sista]

From Jan through March we live in a shaken hornets nest.

[Bruiser1]

Its so busy
EVEN THE Church are filled!

[LoriAnn]

Let them pack in here like sardines! There will never be too many people to use all the sunshine up. As long I'm warm and have the sun on my face I'm happy in my own backyard!

[patty24]

Yes! Yes!

[dewilson58]

Nope.


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[buggyone]

buggyone: If I am not mistaken on the day of the chili cook off it was cold. Now I enjoy chili on a cold day but prefer to have mine indoors. The cold weather could have explained how you managed to go with the flow . heck i'll be there was plenty of room to dance at any of the squares that day:cold:

Personal Best Regards:

Yes, you are mistaken. The day of the Chili Cook-Off was very warm and sunny. It was crowded but not overly so. Lots of people, lots of chili, and alot of fun.

Actually, it was a somewhat more crowded as it was also the day when February renters checked in at the Sales Office.

[rubicon]

Yes, you are mistaken. The day of the Chili Cook-Off was very warm and sunny. It was crowded but not overly so. Lots of people, lots of chili, and alot of fun.

Actually, it was a somewhat more crowded as it was also the day when February renters checked in at the Sales Office.

Define warm and sunny. My recollection was that it was below 50

[billethkid]

Define warm and sunny. My recollection was that it was below 50

According yo my FL adjusted system:

72 - 90 = warm and sunny

62 - 72 = cool

52 - 62 = cold

42-52 = freezing cold

32 - 42 = start looking for a home further South!:D

[Paradynamics]

I know a lot of the folks in the villages have concerns about "the intruders" that come here for the winter months as they get away from the northern cold regions, but they pay their way also. The people here that own a few rentals have no problem taking their 3-4,000 a month rent. I bought down here to get away from the cold weather also but we don't live here full time. We have 3 other homes that we go to and enjoy and those communities don't mind the extra revenue that comes into these areas. Remember folks without these intruders you would not have the lifestyle that you have at TV. IMHO without the extra revenue from these people most of you would not be able to afford to live here because the expenses would be forwarded to the owners

[maine04578]

For several reasons--the size of TV and the cost of housing ($200K for a 2/2 CYV with laundry in the garage? No way, Jose) we're looking around elsewhere. We may end up in TV, but we're giving it serious second thoughts. TV may become a victim of its own success when it's built out--time will tell. (And I already know you guys will chime in and blast me for criticizing any aspect of "paradise," so save it.)

[billethkid]

I know a lot of the folks in the villages have concerns about "the intruders" that come here for the winter months as they get away from the northern cold regions, but they pay their way also. The people here that own a few rentals have no problem taking their 3-4,000 a month rent. I bought down here to get away from the cold weather also but we don't live here full time. We have 3 other homes that we go to and enjoy and those communities don't mind the extra revenue that comes into these areas. Remember folks without these intruders you would not have the lifestyle that you have at TV. IMHO without the extra revenue from these people most of you would not be able to afford to live here because the expenses would be forwarded to the owners

I am a relatively frequent participant of TOTV and I have never seen the word "intruder" used to describe non full time residents.

Of course you may find some remarks by a few relative to what ever ails them and relative to "snow birds".

The message sent is as though it represents the majority here in TV....which it most certainly does not. Sounds like a bit of sour grapes as well.

[Bogie Shooter]

For several reasons--the size of TV and the cost of housing ($200K for a 2/2 CYV with laundry in the garage? No way, Jose) we're looking around elsewhere. We may end up in TV, but we're giving it serious second thoughts. TV may become a victim of its own success when it's built out--time will tell. (And I already know you guys will chime in and blast me for criticizing any aspect of "paradise," so save it.)

Go ahead and look around. You owe it to yourself to do just that. TV is not for everybody...........that's why there are other places in Florida.
No blast here, let us know you find.

[e-flyer]

:22yikes: Tried to go to Sumter for Mardi Gras event, never saw such a log jam a cars and carts. We decided to bypass the mess (whoops, I mean crowd) and made a loop back home. Way too big of a crowd for us, but to each his own, I'm sure the vendors and restaurants were extremely happy!. Don't get me wrong, we still love it here. :thumbup:

[villagerjack]

:22yikes: Tried to go to Sumter for Mardi Gras event, never saw such a log jam a cars and carts. We decided to bypass the mess (whoops, I mean crowd) and made a loop back home. Way too big of a crowd for us, but to each his own, I'm sure the vendors and restaurants were extremely happy!. Don't get me wrong, we still love it here. :thumbup:

We got there about 5. No problems. Found parking in Supermarket lot. Short wait on line for a sandwich and then some desert. Great music in all three spots. Sure there were a lot of people but no crowds. You ain't heavy, you're my brother.

[ukbill70]

Yes it's crowded during the 'Snowbird' season but what's the hurry ? were retired and have all day to do anything we want. Relax,smell the roses,watch the people go by and put off your stress induced heart attack for another day.

[ilovetv]

:22yikes: Tried to go to Sumter for Mardi Gras event, never saw such a log jam a cars and carts. We decided to bypass the mess (whoops, I mean crowd) and made a loop back home. Way too big of a crowd for us, but to each his own, I'm sure the vendors and restaurants were extremely happy!. Don't get me wrong, we still love it here. :thumbup:

I saw the crowds and traffic as a sign that people are happy to be here.

I don't think people are happy sitting in a house with -25 degrees plus wind and ice outside, nor with keeping the thermostat at 62 degrees in order to (hopefully) keep the heating fuel bill under $800/month.

[hollander]

I think its too big here for me, but still very nice. Next week we are going down to look at
buying at Islandwalk
Island Walk - Venice Real Estate - Venice, FL (http://www.sarasotaone.com/sarasota-county-homes/venice-homes/island-walk-venice-real-estate-fl-homes-sale/)
Has anyone ever lived there??

[villagerjack]

I think its too big here for me, but still very nice. Next week we are going down to look at
buying at Islandwalk
Island Walk - Venice Real Estate - Venice, FL (http://www.sarasotaone.com/sarasota-county-homes/venice-homes/island-walk-venice-real-estate-fl-homes-sale/)
Has anyone ever lived there??

Never Been there but if it is not an over 55 community expect it to be very quiet during the week. To each his own. Good luck.

[FoPAA]

"Nobody goes there anymore. It's too crowded." - Yogi Berra
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[gamby]

No matter where I go in the villages it's so crowded by the time I get there I forgot why I went;

Now I have to find my way back home and hope I remember where I live .

If I remember why we moved here , I'll go back home and change my mind.

[villagerjack]

I don't care where I go in the Villages as long as I show up when I get there.

[graciegirl]

I think its too big here for me, but still very nice. Next week we are going down to look at
buying at Islandwalk
Island Walk - Venice Real Estate - Venice, FL (http://www.sarasotaone.com/sarasota-county-homes/venice-homes/island-walk-venice-real-estate-fl-homes-sale/)
Has anyone ever lived there??

Some of my family lived in Venice. They spent a lot of time at the Elks Club in Englewood if I remember correctly.
Here are the prices of the golf club I remember; http://golfjacaranda.com/tee-times/Tee_Time_Specials.html

[rubicon]

No matter where I go in the villages it's so crowded by the time I get there I forgot why I went;

Now I have to find my way back home and hope I remember where I live .

If I remember why we moved here , I'll go back home and change my mind.

Hi gamby: I tell my friends the same thing. Whenever I see a beautiful woman I get excited but then I forget why?

[rubicon]

:22yikes: Tried to go to Sumter for Mardi Gras event, never saw such a log jam a cars and carts. We decided to bypass the mess (whoops, I mean crowd) and made a loop back home. Way too big of a crowd for us, but to each his own, I'm sure the vendors and restaurants were extremely happy!. Don't get me wrong, we still love it here. :thumbup:

e-flyer: I understand. I gave up going to a number of places from October to May because of the overcrowding. It was bound to happen.

Beside the seasonal residents returning there are also renters and when it comes to town squares, restaurants etc we are including the surrounding area..

An employee of TV told me that he had never seen as many renters as he has this month and he has lived here for many years.

The term velocity explains the affect renting has on the increase number of people. We all just adjust. I mean Florida is the only state in the Unon that hasn't experienced snow....yet

[villagerjack]

"An employee of TV told me that he had never seen as many renters as he has this month and he has lived here for many years.". How would he know a renter from an owner?

[perrjojo]

"An employee of TV told me that he had never seen as many renters as he has this month and he has lived here for many years.". How would he know a renter from an owner?
Renters go to the sales office to pick up ID's in order to use amenities. They track the number of renters.

[OBXNana]

The crowds aren't caused by renters. If the people owning the house were in the house and not occupied by a renter, it would be the same number of people. The crowds and wait time would be identical.

If it weren't for the snowbirds and renters, The Villages would be crowded year round and not just the winter months.

[Birdie Dreamer]

The crowds aren't caused by renters. If the people owning the house were in the house and not occupied by a renter, it would be the same number of people. The crowds and wait time would be identical.
............

While I do not have any issue with snowbirds and renters (they are an important part of a successful economy here), I do think they have an effect on the crowds.

In my limited experience, some snowbirds and most renters ( particularly the one month renters) understandably want to make the most of their time here and try their best to participate in everything. Whereas year round residents are happy to stay at home from time to time. JMHO.

[mickey100]

While I do not have any issue with snowbirds and renters (they are an important part of a successful economy here), I do think they have an effect on the crowds.

In my limited experience, some snowbirds and most renters ( particularly the one month renters) understandably want to make the most of their time here and try their best to participate in everything. Whereas year round residents are happy to stay at home from time to time. JMHO.

:agree:

[jimmy D]

Gracie are you back?? I thought you said you were done with posting

[Halle]

While I do not have any issue with snowbirds and renters (they are an important part of a successful economy here), I do think they have an effect on the crowds.

In my limited experience, some snowbirds and most renters ( particularly the one month renters) understandably want to make the most of their time here and try their best to participate in everything. Whereas year round residents are happy to stay at home from time to time. JMHO.

:agree:

You also have many homes that are shared by four or more renters while the majority of homes occupied by full time residents or snowbirds have less.

[Bonny]

said it before,will say it again:

:a040::a040:I LOVE THE SNOWBIRDS! THE VILLAGES WOULDN'T BE THE SAME WITHOUT THEM! KEEP 'EM COMING! :a040::a040:
Yepper !!! :agree: Everybody makes money when they are here!!

[Bonny]

We moved here 14 years ago. There were about 22,000 people here.
I laugh now when I remember some of the people back then that used to say the Villages is just too big. ;)

[Bizdoc]

When did The Villages become too big? Simple. The Villages became too big when they kept building after I bought my home. <wink>

[rubicon]

"An employee of TV told me that he had never seen as many renters as he has this month and he has lived here for many years.". How would he know a renter from an owner?

Because his job requires he know the difference. P L E A S E

Personal Best Regards:

[villagerjack]

Because his job requires he know the difference. P L E A S E

Personal Best Regards:

What is his job?

[villagerjack]

[QUOTE=rubicon;829714

[PennBF]

I don't think the question is whether the Village's are too big but rather what services, business, etc. are not growing fast enough to meet the population needs, As we grow the crime rate will grow and we will need better/more Police coverage. The sheriff's dept is great but not built to handle over 100,000 people. we need more and better resturants to do this there must be better deals for them and not looked at as a potential income delta for the Developer, we need better traffic controls which would come from serving the Law Enforcement needs, we need to set aside enough land to handle these needs and not use every acre for building houses without the supporting requirements to accomondate them. I could go on and on but the basics are not if the Villages are too big but is the need for support requirements understated. There is a very strong potential for "under planning" for business/services infrastructors and just putting up buildings. It is pretty safe to assume that Brownwood will not handle the very large number of residents in the area + the outside people who will come. Less anyone think this is just "smoke" it would be well to remember that monies were not put aside to maintain the Paradise Rec Center and in the end it took a law suit and $40M fine to wake the residents up. We have a great community but should not rest that someone is looking out for our futue as the homes grow. That is not the Developer's responsibility but is the residents. It is our responsibilty to ensure as the Village's grow it remains balanced with needs. :ohdear:

[De Lis]

Not now, but when Fruitland is developed, then yes. Will need a car to access the rec centers / classes.

[graciegirl]

Not now, but when Fruitland is developed, then yes. Will need a car to access the rec centers / classes.


The Fruitland Park area to be developed is not far away, just right next to Sanibel and will be golf cart accessible. I think that a lot of people think that the new area will not be contiguous, will be way down 466A, but that is not the case. It will just be more villages to the immediate east of Sanibel.

[mickey100]

I don't think the question is whether the Village's are too big but rather what services, business, etc. are not growing fast enough to meet the population needs, As we grow the crime rate will grow and we will need better/more Police coverage. The sheriff's dept is great but not built to handle over 100,000 people. we need more and better resturants to do this there must be better deals for them and not looked at as a potential income delta for the Developer, we need better traffic controls which would come from serving the Law Enforcement needs, we need to set aside enough land to handle these needs and not use every acre for building houses without the supporting requirements to accomondate them. I could go on and on but the basics are not if the Villages are too big but is the need for support requirements understated. There is a very strong potential for "under planning" for business/services infrastructors and just putting up buildings. It is pretty safe to assume that Brownwood will not handle the very large number of residents in the area + the outside people who will come. Less anyone think this is just "smoke" it would be well to remember that monies were not put aside to maintain the Paradise Rec Center and in the end it took a law suit and $40M fine to wake the residents up. We have a great community but should not rest that someone is looking out for our futue as the homes grow. That is not the Developer's responsibility but is the residents. It is our responsibilty to ensure as the Village's grow it remains balanced with needs. :ohdear:

Good points.