Community Watch does dog patrol

[zonerboy]

Posters in other threads have questioned just what Community Watch does, serve the needs of the community or those of the developer.
Today I journeyed down to the Tamarind Grove neighborhood postal station to pick up my mail and found a Community Watch truck with a watch person going up to residents walking their dogs and informing them that this was no longer allowed in this area.
I asked for an explanation, and was told that this area was being used as a "dog park" and that the developer had received complaints. He said that this common area was the property of the developer and not the residents, and that henceforth no dogs would be allowed.
I responded that I had occasionally walked my dog there and that my realtor suggested this as a good place to walk dogs when we purchased our home 2 and a half years ago. He suggested I use the dog park on Bonita behind the fire station and I told him I'd been there and it was about the size of my CYV backyard. I suggested that if the developer wanted to restrict dogs on "common" areas, then perhaps he should consider adding a few more real dog parks.
While I was having this conversation two more Community Watch trucks pulled up to help with the patrol. Is this good way to be spending your amenity fees?????

[Bogie Shooter]

Yes.

[janmcn]

This property belongs to the developer, and he can set whatever rules he wants on his property. On the other hand, he should advise the sales office of his new policy so that sales agents are no longer giving bogus information to perspective buyers.

[BarryRX]

Yes! As a dog lover I'm appalled at the number of people that don't pick up after their dogs and the number of people that do pick up, but then dump the waste in the trash cans at the mail center. It looks like the usual.....a few bad apples spoil it for the responsible ones.

[Madelaine Amee]

Yes! As a dog lover I'm appalled at the number of people that don't pick up after their dogs and the number of people that do pick up, but then dump the waste in the trash cans at the mail center. It looks like the usual.....a few bad apples spoil it for the responsible ones.

Totally agree, used to walk our dog through the area and it was like picking your through a mine field!

[ilovetv]

Like every time a rule like this is put forth, it's being done because too many dog owners have abused the privilege.....the privilege of using other people's land and lawns as a manure yard instead of their own.

Tamarind Grove's construction finished a long time ago (two years ago I'd guess), and so obviously this is not being done just so "the developer" can sell new homes there.

There are, however, homeowners who are trying or will try to sell their homes, and they deserve some consideration from their neighbors.

Taking buyers to the neighborhood pool-postal stations is one of the first things a home seller would do to illustrate how close and nice these facilities are. Dog piles and a steaming stench coming from the trash cans is not the impression sellers want to make.

Any of us selling our homes or taking our guests to the pool-postal facilities want our words to have meaning as we say how pristinely everything is kept here.

[Taltarzac725]

Posters in other threads have questioned just what Community Watch does, serve the needs of the community or those of the developer.
Today I journeyed down to the Tamarind Grove neighborhood postal station to pick up my mail and found a Community Watch truck with a watch person going up to residents walking their dogs and informing them that this was no longer allowed in this area.
I asked for an explanation, and was told that this area was being used as a "dog park" and that the developer had received complaints. He said that this common area was the property of the developer and not the residents, and that henceforth no dogs would be allowed.
I responded that I had occasionally walked my dog there and that my realtor suggested this as a good place to walk dogs when we purchased our home 2 and a half years ago. He suggested I use the dog park on Bonita behind the fire station and I told him I'd been there and it was about the size of my CYV backyard. I suggested that if the developer wanted to restrict dogs on "common" areas, then perhaps he should consider adding a few more real dog parks.
While I was having this conversation two more Community Watch trucks pulled up to help with the patrol. Is this good way to be spending your amenity fees?????

Some postal areas' people will pick up their dog poop. Unless I forget my bags, I will scoop up mine as well as other canine droppings. All kinds of other animals deposit their stuff at the postal stations from birds to snakes to coyotes to rabbits.

I have been to Bonita Dog park and agree that it is the worst planned dog park in the Villages as it is at a steep sloop on the small dog park section and is quite small. You have to watch out for stepping in existing dog feces while trying to pick up your own while also watching out for the safety of your pet as not all dogs visiting there are friendly and some just like to assert their authority.

[Cisco Kid]

:popcorn:

[billethkid]

it is not a good use of their time at all.

Put up a sign and allow citizen reports of violators. Report to who? I don't know!

Start a citizen's patrol.

When you see neighbor violating the rule...call them on it ( I know in today's society that is unlikely to hapen)...but I do! And I get some interesting responses.

I too am a dog owner. My dogs usual spot to do het busienss is my property and I pick up every one of her poops.
When we walk, every day, 2-3 miles on the multi modal paths, if and when she makes a deposit I pick it up.

There is absolutely no reason why the non responsible dog owners cannot do the same. If not they should not have a dog.

And if they don't and I witness it I tell them right then and there!!

[Taltarzac725]

:popcorn:

These poop threads do seem amusing. The Villages Daily Sun has seemed of late to have gone all out on the theme of happy Villagers and their pets out playing in all kinds of weather and at all kinds of events. Pets poop. People should have the courtesy of picking up after their charges and taking it home with them.

[Bogie Shooter]

Some postal areas' people will pick up their dog poop. Unless I forget my bags, I will scoop up mine as well as other canine droppings. All kinds of other animals deposit their stuff at the postal stations from birds to snakes to coyotes to rabbits.

I have been to Bonita Dog park and agree that it is the worst planned dog park in the Villages as it is at a steep sloop on the small dog park section and is quite small. You have to watch out for stepping in existing dog feces while trying to pick up your own while also watching out for the safety of your pet as not all dogs visiting there are friendly and some just like to assert their authority.

Probably the same dog owners who leave their dog's droppings at the mail station.

[Cisco Kid]

These poop threads do seem amusing. The Villages Daily Sun has seemed of late to have gone all out on the theme of happy Villagers and their pets out playing in all kinds of weather and at all kinds of events. Pets poop. People should have the courtesy of picking up after their charges and taking it home with them.


I believe that is the real story here.
People and courtesy.
What ever happened to common decency? Are manners no longer part of US culture?

[janmcn]

It is possible that community watch will only be involved for a month or two until the word gets out about this rule change. After that, signs could be posted and violations would be complaint driven only. This new policy should apply to all villages equally.

[skyking]

Totally agree, used to walk our dog through the area and it was like picking your through a mine field!

I walk through that area at least twice a week and rarely (once or twice in two years) have seen dog droppings. A lot of exaggeration on this board.

[zonerboy]

I do not consider this to be another "dog poop" thread.
I am a resident of the village of Tamarind Grove and visit the neighborhood pool and postal station frequently, and walk my dog there on occasion. In my experience it is quite unusual to encounter dog poop left on the ground by others. I do talk to other dog walkers and have found many who do not even live in the area but bring their dogs to this particular place to walk.
So why would someone from Hemingway bring their dog way over to Tamarind Grove for a walk. Partly because this area is much larger than the typical neighborhood postal station and is shaded by large oak trees. But the MAIN reason is that there are few other available options. There is only one dog park south of 466, and it is so small and poorly placed as to be totally inadequate. It was obviously added as an afterthought by the developer. (this land can't be sold as a home site or rented out as commercial property, so lets fence it in and call it a dog park) In addition the entire "new" area south of 466A contains not one square foot designated for use by dog owners.
The recreational activities of other home owners seem to be adequately addressed. Why not those of dog owners?
So lets call this a dog park thread, not a dog poop thread.

[ilovetv]

In addition the entire "new" area south of 466A contains not one square foot designated for use by dog owners.


The many square feet designated for use by dog owners is "their yard".

If their yard is not big enough for the dog's liking, they can buy land.

There are 950 acres up for sale in Fruitland Park, known as Pine Ridge Dairy Farm, for a price of $50 million.

Land is always a good buy. They don't make it anymore.

The dogs will love 10 acres for a mere $526,310.


The recreational activities of other home owners seem to be adequately addressed. Why not those of dog owners?

"Dog Waste Management and Disposal" is not a "recreational activity".

[zonerboy]

There is land designated for golfers, pickleball players, shuffleboard shufflers, swimmers, pool players, tennis players, volleyball players, horseshoe tossers, softball players, archers, hand-knee-foot sharks, and on and on and on.
What's wrong with land designated for dog owners?
Should I only be required to pay for activities I personally participate in?

[TheVillageChicken]

There is land designated for golfers, pickleball players, shuffleboard shufflers, swimmers, pool players, tennis players, volleyball players, horseshoe tossers, softball players, archers, hand-knee-foot sharks, and on and on and on.
What's wrong with land designated for dog owners?

It would be easier to answer your question if you told us how much poop golfers, pickleball players, etc. leave behind.

[Ecuadog]

It would be easier to answer your question if you told us how much poop golfers, pickleball players, etc. leave behind.

Love it.

[Cisco Kid]

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[Bogie Shooter]

There is land designated for golfers, pickleball players, shuffleboard shufflers, swimmers, pool players, tennis players, volleyball players, horseshoe tossers, softball players, archers, hand-knee-foot sharks, and on and on and on.
What's wrong with land designated for dog owners?
Should I only be required to pay for activities I personally participate in?

Seems like I knew before I bought about all these amenties, a dog park was not mentioned. Why is it that people buy in here and then want things, that they should have investigated before buying.
It was pointed out in another post even in the dog parks that we do have, owners don't pick up after their dogs. What will more dirty dog parks accomplish.
Kinda like some who think deed restrictions are for somebody else...............

[delima2000]

Good I'm glad that they are doing this. My husband was bitten on the leg by a dog at the mail boxes. The owner had it on a leash but that didn't stop the dog from biting him. Take them to the dog park not to the mail boxes.

[batman911]

I have never had a dog that would not do it's business in my own yard. Dogs will do what you train them to do.

[Uptown Girl]

First let me say I am a dog lover.
The problem at the Tamarind Grove site is not just about poop.

There are a number of dog owners who go there daily to freely exercise their large dogs.
They let them off the leash (sometimes they have no leash at all) and throw balls and frisbees to engage the dogs in play.
A few of my neighbors with small dogs ON leash have had the bigger dogs come close to running them over in the enthusiastic play.
I have seen village license plates from a number of other villages. Two come regularly from the Village of Pennecamp, for example.

At times there have been so many cars and golf cars in front of the mail station (with those walking/playing with their dogs) neighbors have to park at the pool and walk a distance to get to their mail boxes. For some, this is not an easy chore, especially if they have mobility issues, it is hot or rainy.
I know I sound like I am exaggerating- and probably sound whiny, but it is after all a garden area, not a designated dog park.
I don't presently own a dog and I don't walk back there, so that part does not affect me personally.

I did make a call on one lady. Her dog, (an elderly, obese bull dog) was obviously not healthy and had continual diarrhea. He followed her off leash to her mail box and back daily- leaving a wake of a mess behind…. on the sidewalk. I don't know how she would have cleaned it up, but she made no attempt. Just walked around it.
I swear she fed him, then took him to the mail station to eliminate, so as not to deal with it. She paused long enough for him to void his bowels completely, then left. This went on for weeks. Not only annoying, but a health hazard to people and to other dogs.

I finally followed her home, got her address and called community watch. I was grateful there was somebody I COULD call.
They said they would speak to her.
I have not seen her, or evidence of her dog's droppings since then.

It is sad that the privilege of allowing a well mannered dog and owner to enjoy a pleasant walk back there has been abused, but that is what has happened.

P.S. We had small signs asking people not to put dog droppings in the paper waste cans. People kept peeling the signs off the cans, then depositing the poop bags anyway.
:ohdear:

[rubicon]

First let me say I am a dog lover.
The problem at the Tamarind Grove site is not just about poop.

There are a number of dog owners who go there daily to freely exercise their large dogs.
They let them off the leash (sometimes they don't have a leash at all) and throw balls and frisbees to engage the dogs in play.
A few of my neighbors with small dogs have had the bigger dogs come close to running them over in the enthusiastic play.
I have seen village license plates from a number of other villages. Two come regularly from the Village of Pennecamp, for example.

At times there have been so many cars and golf cars in front of the mail station (with those walking/playing with their dogs) neighbors have to park at the pool and walk a distance to get to their mail boxes. For some, this is not an easy chore, especially if it is hot or rainy.
I know I sound like I am exaggerating- and probably sound whiny.
I don't presently own a dog and I don't walk back there, so that part does not affect me personally.

I did make a call on one lady. Her dog, (an elderly, obese bull dog) was obviously not healthy and had continual diarrhea. He followed her off leash to her mail box and back daily- leaving a wake of a mess behind…. on the sidewalk. I don't know how she would have cleaned it up, but she made no attempt. Just walked around it.
I swear she fed him, then took him to the mail station to eliminate, so as not to deal with it. She paused long enough for him to void his bowels completely, then left. This went on for weeks. Not only annoying, but a health hazard to people and to other dogs.

I finally followed her home, got her address and called community watch.
They said they would speak to her.
I have not seen her, or evidence of her dog's droppings since then.

It is sad that the privilege of allowing a well mannered dog and owner to enjoy a pleasant walk back there has been abused, but that is what has happened.

P.S. We had small signs asking people not to put dog droppings in the paper waste cans. People kept peeling the signs off the cans, then depositing the poop bags anyway.
:ohdear:

Uptown Girl; The situation you describe is beyond the pale. It describes some very thoughtless people. It also describes some people who seem to care more about animals than they do people. it also describes people who seem oblivious to the need of the common good.

I notice many dogs at our postal stations. all appear on leash, all appear well behaved and all owners appear considerate but I believe the Developer is correct here.

Since we have no smoking areas I believe it is in keeping to have designated no dog areas

I understand the OP's position but based on your description apparently many dog owners want rights but no responsibilities.

[Barefoot]

I do not consider this to be another "dog poop" thread.
There is only one dog park south of 466, and it is so small and poorly placed as to be totally inadequate. It was obviously added as an afterthought by the developer. (this land can't be sold as a home site or rented out as commercial property, so lets fence it in and call it a dog park) In addition the entire "new" area south of 466A contains not one square foot designated for use by dog owners. The recreational activities of other home owners seem to be adequately addressed. Why not those of dog owners?

(Additional Post)
There is land designated for golfers, pickleball players, shuffleboard shufflers, swimmers, pool players, tennis players, volleyball players, horseshoe tossers, softball players, archers, hand-knee-foot sharks, and on and on and on. What's wrong with land designated for dog owners? Should I only be required to pay for activities I personally participate in?

I agree with you Zonerboy. It's obvious why Mail Stations are being (wrongly) used as dog parks.

The Developer planned this retirement community to perfection. It's awesome. The only misstep I see is that there are two dogs allowed per household without adequate dog parks being part of the plan. And dogs need off-leash exercise areas.

There is only one small dog park for the thousands and thousands of dogs that live south of CR 466!! As Zonerboy pointed out, The Bonita Dog park is small, on a hill, and woefully inadequate. And it's sometimes locked during the day!

It's a very interesting topic whether residents should only be required to pay for activities in which they participate. I think not. I'm happy to have my amenities pay for activities I don't use. It's all for a greater good.

P.S. I don't have a horse in this race. We take our dogs daily to a private dog park and we pay for that amenity.

[gomoho]

Seems like I knew before I bought about all these amenties, a dog park was not mentioned. Why is it that people buy in here and then want things, that they should have investigated before buying.
It was pointed out in another post even in the dog parks that we do have, owners don't pick up after their dogs. What will more dirty dog parks accomplish.
Kinda like some who think deed restrictions are for somebody else...............

I moved here with 2 dogs and no expectations as far as the dog parks; however, I did expect to be able to walk my dog where I walked without a bunch of people complaining about it. I always have bags with me - even when I don't have the dogs - and always pick up the poop and am a responsible dog owner. Sooooo I shall walk my dog where I please and thank you very much!:boom:

[Warren Kiefer]

First let me say I am a dog lover.
The problem at the Tamarind Grove site is not just about poop.

There are a number of dog owners who go there daily to freely exercise their large dogs.
They let them off the leash (sometimes they have no leash at all) and throw balls and frisbees to engage the dogs in play.
A few of my neighbors with small dogs ON leash have had the bigger dogs come close to running them over in the enthusiastic play.
I have seen village license plates from a number of other villages. Two come regularly from the Village of Pennecamp, for example.

At times there have been so many cars and golf cars in front of the mail station (with those walking/playing with their dogs) neighbors have to park at the pool and walk a distance to get to their mail boxes. For some, this is not an easy chore, especially if they have mobility issues, it is hot or rainy.
I know I sound like I am exaggerating- and probably sound whiny, but it is after all a garden area, not a designated dog park.
I don't presently own a dog and I don't walk back there, so that part does not affect me personally.

I did make a call on one lady. Her dog, (an elderly, obese bull dog) was obviously not healthy and had continual diarrhea. He followed her off leash to her mail box and back daily- leaving a wake of a mess behind…. on the sidewalk. I don't know how she would have cleaned it up, but she made no attempt. Just walked around it.
I swear she fed him, then took him to the mail station to eliminate, so as not to deal with it. She paused long enough for him to void his bowels completely, then left. This went on for weeks. Not only annoying, but a health hazard to people and to other dogs.

I finally followed her home, got her address and called community watch. I was grateful there was somebody I COULD call.
They said they would speak to her.
I have not seen her, or evidence of her dog's droppings since then.

It is sad that the privilege of allowing a well mannered dog and owner to enjoy a pleasant walk back there has been abused, but that is what has happened.

P.S. We had small signs asking people not to put dog droppings in the paper waste cans. People kept peeling the signs off the cans, then depositing the poop bags anyway.
:ohdear:

The Villages in it's growth has lost some of the courtesy people once exhibited. This is not exactly on the topic but I believe is indirectly connected. On a street in the Santo Domingo neighborhood a couple own two dogs that are without a doubt as large as Great Danes... this couple appear they are leading a small pony as they allow the dogs TO RELIEVE THEMSELVES IN THE STREET in front of their home. The dog urine actually runs into the gutter and all the way past their two neighbors homes. On a hot day the smell is awful. Every so often the dog owners will pour bleach and water into the gutter to disguise the odor. There are still two things horribly wrong here, 1. If the urine has not dried, the adjacent neighbors will definately track the wet urine into their garage when returning home in a car.
2. the bleach water will be introduced into a lake or pond somewhere.
Before yhou give advice about this problem let me tell you what has been done. Neighborhood Watch was notified, the offices of the Developer was notified, Sumter Count Health was notified, the Sheriff of Sumter was contacted. Each and every source contacted said there is nothing they can do.:ohdear::boxing2:

[SIRE1]

I find it interesting that there is a lot of concern about where to take dogs to "do their business" and the fact that there isn't any dog parks south of 466A and only a small one south of 466. I live north of 466 and I know there is a dog park near Nancy Lopez but I wonder REALLY, how many people in this portion of The Villages (from 466 to 42 and from Southern Trace to Spanish Springs) would actually take their dog to this area. I can't imagine, nor can any of you, expect all of the homes north of 466 to take their dog daily to the area. I suspect it is only being used by the people who live very close. So it seems to me, unfortunately, that the mail stations are the only area available because they are close. Maybe they should have some special container to dispose of the waste.

[gomoho]

I find it interesting that there is a lot of concern about where to take dogs to "do their business" and the fact that there isn't any dog parks south of 466A and only a small one south of 466. I live north of 466 and I know there is a dog park near Nancy Lopez but I wonder REALLY, how many people in this portion of The Villages (from 466 to 42 and from Southern Trace to Spanish Springs) would actually take their dog to this area. I can't imagine, nor can any of you, expect all of the homes north of 466 to take their dog daily to the area. I suspect it is only being used by the people who live very close. So it seems to me, unfortunately, that the mail stations are the only area available because they are close. Maybe they should have some special container to dispose of the waste.

OMG - someone with a possible solution instead of just wanting to beat up the dog owners. And what if we actually had poop bags at that station to encourage folks to pick up and dispose of the poop appropriately. Public parks, rv parks, and other communities do this - would be an excellent things for The Villages - and then the dog owners would feel like a tiny portion of their amenity fees actually were for their benefit alone - like all the golfers, pickleball players, tennis players, and on and on and on and on.

[smcgirl]

It is easy to see why a person would want to say see ya!..I am a resposible dog owner also and I will walk my dog and pick up her poop. BTW..keep pouring those chemicals on your yards, and maybe find something else to to crazy on besides a little dog poop. Does it rain here often and spinklers wash the grass..good grief. I am out of here too.

[Cisco Kid]

so what does the poop cop do ?
Ticket or turn up
Are these areas posted with signs that say keep out dog.

[kittygilchrist]

I love my dog beyond measure. that measure does not extend to another person's property. I chose a home without fence and small boundaries. My neighbors are not expected to share their lawns. I created the problem and it's mine to solve. Let's ride, Emma.

[BnCinME]

It would be easier to answer your question if you told us how much poop golfers, pickleball players, etc. leave behind.

maybe not poop, but cigarette butts which are equally gross!

[ilovetv]

I find it interesting that there is a lot of concern about where to take dogs to "do their business" and the fact that there isn't any dog parks south of 466A and only a small one south of 466. I live north of 466 and I know there is a dog park near Nancy Lopez but I wonder REALLY, how many people in this portion of The Villages (from 466 to 42 and from Southern Trace to Spanish Springs) would actually take their dog to this area. I can't imagine, nor can any of you, expect all of the homes north of 466 to take their dog daily to the area. I suspect it is only being used by the people who live very close. So it seems to me, unfortunately, that the mail stations are the only area available because they are close. Maybe they should have some special container to dispose of the waste.

No, the mail stations' lawns are not "the only area available" for dogs to toilet on, "because they are close".

The dog owner's own yard is the closest and most appropriate place for their dog to dump on. All Villages homeowners have single-family, freestanding homes with a yard.....their own yard. Nobody's living in an apartment building with only one yard/lawn for all occupants of the complex.

If a dog owner can't stand his own dog's manure and urine stink and damage to their own grass, then how do they expect others to put up with it??

It is the height of arrogance!

[CFrance]

I walk through that area at least twice a week and rarely (once or twice in two years) have seen dog droppings. A lot of exaggeration on this board.
I agree. I go up there every day to pick up our mail, and there is NO stench coming from the trash cans, as there are no feces in there. None of the landscaping is wrecked. Someone on here has complained about dog urine smell at the pool. My neighbor (who does not have a dog) goes to the pool every day it's warm enough and has never smelled a thing. I take my dog to the mailbox several times a week throughout the year and have never smelled anything.

I have seen some people let their dogs run free in that park and nearly got run down after dark one night by a certain golf cart owner driving himself and his dog in a reckless fashion across the grassy slope to jump the curb to the street. As usual, the majority will be impacted by the arrogant actions of the minority.

I don't take my dog into that park. But I'll be da**ed if some whiner will keep me from walking him up to the mailboxes to pick up my mail.

[Bogie Shooter]

I find it interesting that there is a lot of concern about where to take dogs to "do their business" and the fact that there isn't any dog parks south of 466A and only a small one south of 466. I live north of 466 and I know there is a dog park near Nancy Lopez but I wonder REALLY, how many people in this portion of The Villages (from 466 to 42 and from Southern Trace to Spanish Springs) would actually take their dog to this area. I can't imagine, nor can any of you, expect all of the homes north of 466 to take their dog daily to the area. I suspect it is only being used by the people who live very close. So it seems to me, unfortunately, that the mail stations are the only area available because they are close. Maybe they should have some special container to dispose of the waste.

Who is the "they" in this sentence. The developer, the VCDD, the CDD..........how about a plastic bag provided by the dog owner. Many, many responsible dog owners do just that. The folks that don't pick up; will not pick up and put in some special container.

[gerryann]

I moved here with 2 dogs and no expectations as far as the dog parks; however, I did expect to be able to walk my dog where I walked without a bunch of people complaining about it. I always have bags with me - even when I don't have the dogs - and always pick up the poop and am a responsible dog owner. Sooooo I shall walk my dog where I please and thank you very much!:boom:

I'm with you. I ALWAYS pick up!! I moved here for two reasons. Safety and dog friendly. I have realized that it is not dog friendly and the safety is hanging on by a thin rope. I ALWAYS make sure my pup has pooped before we leave the boundaries of my yard....however, she gets excited when walking and usually has to go again. I pick up...ALWAYS. I walk her where I please. When a property has one of the ridiculous "curb your dog" wooden pooping dog signs.....I stay away. When I move away from TV...it will be because another break in occurred too close to my home....or I am too uncomfortable walking my pup.

[Happinow]

Great idea. It is not a dog walking area and we who go get our mail should not have to stumble over dogs and their leashes. And, it's gross to watch people put their dog poop on the trash bins there. I don't want to smell dog poop while putting my junk mail in the garbage. Keep up the good work Community Watch.

[gerryann]

Great idea. It is not a dog walking area and we who go get our mail should not have to stumble over dogs and their leashes. And, it's gross to watch people put their dog poop on the trash bins there. I don't want to smell dog poop while putting my junk mail in the garbage. Keep up the good work Community Watch.

When's the last time you stumbled over a dog and their leash? Really ???

[CFrance]

When's the last time you stumbled over a dog and their leash? Really ???
:clap2::clap2:

[kathymar528]

Please send those Community Watch folks to patrol down near Eisenhower. Some dog owner repeatedly brings his dog to do his business and never cleans up. It is no longer enjoyable to walk through the area because it is so unsightly, and it certainly isn't fair for Rec Center employees (or whoever) to have to pick it up. I am a dog owner myself. My dogs use our yard, we clean up after them, and I intentionally purchased a home with a yard that would accommodate them. I am so proud to call The Villages "home", but am frustrated by the complete disregard some have for taking responsibility for their pet's mess.

[zonerboy]

It would be easier to answer your question if you told us how much poop golfers, pickleball players, etc. leave behind.

At the risk of inducing an epidemic of terminal boredom, may I say this: the issue here is not poop. The issue is reasonable accommodation of the needs and desires of Villagers who happen to be dog owners. I am well aware that dog parks were not part of the promised amenities when I purchased my home. But perhaps they should be. That's my point. I could be wrong, but perhaps there would be fewer people walking their dogs in the vicinity of postal stations if there were an attractive alternative. Costs associated with providing and maintaining such a facility would be negligible compared to those of other recreational facilities.

I am always quite amazed at the number of posters on this site who seem to be utterly obsessed with "poop". Dr. Freud once postulated that such fascinations had their origin with early difficulties involved in potty training. Hence the derivation of the "anal retentive" and "anal explosive" personality types. I myself decline to make comment on such matters.

[CFrance]

At the risk of inducing an epidemic of terminal boredom, may I say this: the issue here is not poop. The issue is reasonable accommodation of the needs and desires of Villagers who happen to be dog owners. I am well aware that dog parks were not part of the promised amenities when I purchased my home. But perhaps they should be. That's my point. I could be wrong, but perhaps there would be fewer people walking their dogs in the vicinity of postal stations if there were an attractive alternative. Costs associated with providing and maintaining such a facility would be negligible compared to those of other recreational facilities.

I am always quite amazed at the number of posters on this site who seem to be utterly obsessed with "poop". Dr. Freud once postulated that such fascinations had their origin with early difficulties involved in potty training. Hence the derivation of the "anal retentive" and "anal explosive" personality types. I myself decline to make comment on such matters.
I am amazed and a little irritated when people say such things as "You knew TV didn't have such-and-such when you moved here." I believe it is okay to move to a place knowing it might not have everything you want, and then work to make it better.

Just because you knew it didn't have 100% of what you wanted doesn't mean you should roll over and play dead. Responsible Dog Owners is starting an effort to get a dog park south of 466A. If enough people work on it, maybe the developer will listen.

[vj1213]

I have to agree this is not about dog poop. That topic has been beaten to death. I often take my dog to the Tamarind Grove area too on our walks. After we walked today I was approached by Community Watch, he said this is not a dog park, I said excuse me, he said this is private property and you can't have a dog here. I simply said well my dog is on his leash, here is his poop in my little bag, and I do believe this is Villages property not private property. I said I don't understand how TV being taunted as pet friendly will allow me to walk my dog on any town square or inside any of the sales centers (we actually have dog treats in the sales centers to give to dogs who come in) and you say this is the only private property where dogs aren't allowed.
I must say there were a few very hot tempered dog walkers there who got very argumentative.
I came home and called the district office (was told they knew nothing) they passed me on to community watch who passed me to their supervisor, who passed me to their supervisor and no one could tell me anything. All I got from the last lady was..give me your # and we will have someone who is aware of the situation call you back. Haven't heard back.
I will just say, whether it be dogs or any other countless rules, there will always be those who don't believe rules apply to them or choose only to follow a select few. I don't think dogs should be hanging around the postal stations themselves, but in the grassy areas that surround them, I don't see a problem. Just gives some people something else to complain about.

[gerryann]

I have to agree this is not about dog poop. That topic has been beaten to death. I often take my dog to the Tamarind Grove area too on our walks. After we walked today I was approached by Community Watch, he said this is not a dog park, I said excuse me, he said this is private property and you can't have a dog here. I simply said well my dog is on his leash, here is his poop in my little bag, and I do believe this is Villages property not private property. I said I don't understand how TV being taunted as pet friendly will allow me to walk my dog on any town square or inside any of the sales centers (we actually have dog treats in the sales centers to give to dogs who come in) and you say this is the only private property where dogs aren't allowed.
I must say there were a few very hot tempered dog walkers there who got very argumentative.
I came home and called the district office (was told they knew nothing) they passed me on to community watch who passed me to their supervisor, who passed me to their supervisor and no one could tell me anything. All I got from the last lady was..give me your # and we will have someone who is aware of the situation call you back. Haven't heard back.
I will just say, whether it be dogs or any other countless rules, there will always be those who don't believe rules apply to them or choose only to follow a select few. I don't think dogs should be hanging around the postal stations themselves, but in the grassy areas that surround them, I don't see a problem. Just gives some people something else to complain about.

Great post. I look forward to hearing what they say when they call back.

[ilovetv]

I have to agree this is not about dog poop. That topic has been beaten to death. I often take my dog to the Tamarind Grove area too on our walks. After we walked today I was approached by Community Watch, he said this is not a dog park, I said excuse me, he said this is private property and you can't have a dog here. I simply said well my dog is on his leash, here is his poop in my little bag, and I do believe this is Villages property not private property. I said I don't understand how TV being taunted as pet friendly will allow me to walk my dog on any town square or inside any of the sales centers (we actually have dog treats in the sales centers to give to dogs who come in) and you say this is the only private property where dogs aren't allowed.
I must say there were a few very hot tempered dog walkers there who got very argumentative.
I came home and called the district office (was told they knew nothing) they passed me on to community watch who passed me to their supervisor, who passed me to their supervisor and no one could tell me anything. All I got from the last lady was..give me your # and we will have someone who is aware of the situation call you back. Haven't heard back.
I will just say, whether it be dogs or any other countless rules, there will always be those who don't believe rules apply to them or choose only to follow a select few. I don't think dogs should be hanging around the postal stations themselves, but in the grassy areas that surround them, I don't see a problem. Just gives some people something else to complain about.

It also gives some people something else to purposely miss the point about, so they can minimize and ridicule a valid complaint in need of solutions.

"Dog waste is more than just a cosmetic issue. Stepping in it is no longer comical. Forty-nine percent of Americans own a dog. BioPet Vet Lab, an animal DNA testing laboratory in Knoxville, Tenn., estimates that 38 percent of dog owners don't clean up after their pets. BioPet's research shows that 73 million dogs pile up 6.3 billion pounds of waste annually. Shamefully, 40 percent, or 2.5 billion pounds, is never picked up by owners.

No surprise then that Consumer Reports said dog waste ranked No. 6 on the list of America's Top Gripes in 2010, or that the Environmental Protection Agency lists pet waste as one of its top water-pollution concerns.

Some pet owners feel that authorities are picking a bone with them by passing intrusive pet regulations. But association boards, neighbors, homeowners, community leaders and environmentalists bark at each other in civic dialogue about this problem.

According to BioPet, "E. coli bacteria from dog droppings has been identified as a significant pollutant to our parks, rivers and regional watersheds." A medium-size dog has twice the environmental impact on the earth as driving a luxury SUV 10,000 miles, CNN has reported.

The EPA places dog waste in the same health category as oil and toxic chemicals. EPA researchers are tracking how unclaimed dog waste washes from green spaces to storm drains and then into our waterways.

The Sarasota Bay Estuary Program notes, "An average-size dog dropping produces 3 billion fecal coliform bacteria."

The estuary program's website also points out: "Pet waste is a significant source of fecal coliform bacteria entering Sarasota Bay."

Approximately 26 tons of pet waste is deposited on the ground in Sarasota and Manatee counties every day, the site notes. "Dog poop does not stay on the grass but gets washed down the storm drains and delivered untreated to the closest waterway during rain events."

That's why the Sarasota Bay estuary program has joined the effort to safeguard public health and keep our waters clean. The program has teamed with the Tampa Bay Estuary Program to offer the "Pooches for the Planet" pet-waste pollution education program (www.sarasotabay.org).........."

http://www.heraldtribune.com/article/20111029/COLUMNIST/111029516?template=printpicart

[LndLocked]

Every time I read one of these threads which 96.785% of the time are centered between 466 & 466A .... I am glad I live in the relatively peaceful and drama free northern hinterlands.

[vj1213]

As I previously stated my opinion is that this isn't about dog poop. First, I would never ridicule anyone for their opinions. Your facts may very well be valid, but I for one do think I have a better chance of getting sick from the pesticides on the lawns and them getting into my water system.
This topic dealt with community watch and the statement that this one area is private property. I simply stated my opinion and I will stand by it.

[D&Lsunfun]

AMEN,
you get it!!
one dog urinates and a dozen follow.
for the owners that walk their dogs early and late in the day, when no one is looking
do you really pick up? I think not, the piles are everywhere.

[D&Lsunfun]

Since you live in Buttonwood, stay there and walk your dog at that mail station or in your neighborhood, what about your own yard.

[Barefoot]

Great idea. It is not a dog walking area and we who go get our mail should not have to stumble over dogs and their leashes. And, it's gross to watch people put their dog poop on the trash bins there. I don't want to smell dog poop while putting my junk mail in the garbage. Keep up the good work Community Watch.

When's the last time you stumbled over a dog and their leash? Really ???

:clap2::clap2:

I have never walked my dogs at the mail station. And in seven years I have never had to stumble over dogs and their leashes. I've never observed anyone depositing dog poop in the recycling bin. People walking their dogs to the mail station have been friendly, respectful and cheerful.

Dogs and their owners need exercise. I see nothing with residents walking a dog to the mail station to pick up their mail. And of course, most dog owners carry bags and are very respectful of others.

[Barefoot]

I have to agree this is not about dog poop. That topic has been beaten to death. I often take my dog to the Tamarind Grove area too on our walks. After we walked today I was approached by Community Watch, he said this is not a dog park, I said excuse me, he said this is private property and you can't have a dog here. I simply said well my dog is on his leash, here is his poop in my little bag, and I do believe this is Villages property not private property. I said I don't understand how TV being taunted as pet friendly will allow me to walk my dog on any town square or inside any of the sales centers (we actually have dog treats in the sales centers to give to dogs who come in) and you say this is the only private property where dogs aren't allowed.
I must say there were a few very hot tempered dog walkers there who got very argumentative.
I came home and called the district office (was told they knew nothing) they passed me on to community watch who passed me to their supervisor, who passed me to their supervisor and no one could tell me anything. All I got from the last lady was..give me your # and we will have someone who is aware of the situation call you back. Haven't heard back.
I will just say, whether it be dogs or any other countless rules, there will always be those who don't believe rules apply to them or choose only to follow a select few. I don't think dogs should be hanging around the postal stations themselves, but in the grassy areas that surround them, I don't see a problem. Just gives some people something else to complain about.

Great post. I look forward to hearing what they say when they call back.

Good post. Please let us know the response from the Supervisor of Community Watch.

[tainsley]

Good post. Please let us know the response from the Supervisor of Community Watch.

Good post. Can't wait to see response from Community Watch. As Residents of TG my husband and I take our dog to the area being discussed. Not for him to relieve himself but just take a walk around the area and enjoy its beauty and go pick up the mail. I have never stepped in poop, dogs are leashed and it becomes a social time for pet owners and their dogs. I don't believe I have ever seen a person walking around that area who did not have a dog with them. If there are several residents picking up their mail at their mailboxes, I pick my dog up to get mine. I have never smelled urine or poop in the area even in the heat of the summer. I believe most dog owners are responsible. I would be more inclined to complain about cigarette butts strewn about or golf carts pulled sideways in parking area. But that can be another thread! C'mon Magee let's go for a walk! Have a happy day everyone!

[gomoho]

and p.s. those bins are not for your junk mail - supposed to take that home with you as well; however the bins are frequently overflowing so maybe Community Watch needs to patrol that as well. Would everyone please just relax and be considerate of one another. We can all get along - just use your head.

[graciegirl]

and p.s. those bins are not for your junk mail - supposed to take that home with you as well; however the bins are frequently overflowing so maybe Community Watch needs to patrol that as well. Would everyone please just relax and be considerate of one another. We can all get along - just use your head.



As usual, that gomoho is the voice of reason....and kindness.


Most of us love dogs, I am not a dog owner, but I love them. I have only seen with my own eyes one irresponsible dog owner who I spoke to directly and he picked up the dog poop out of my yard in Hadley with his bare hands. Yucky.


Every other person I so fortunately know with dogs take very good care to not allow their dogs to bother people. I am pretty sure they must have been the same with their kids.


Why this is happening at that lovely spot, we can only guess. In the years I have lived here, only one person seems to speak directly for the developer and that is Janet Tutt. But you all know me. I feel there is some good reason, and we will hear about it one of these days and then it will make sense.


I love that people who have good hearts and like to have a little extra someone to give their love to have dogs and cats. I am trying to understand why dogs are not liked universally. But if we were all the same, we would have nothing to talk about.

[Bogie Shooter]

I would bet if a 10 acre dog park was built anywhere in TV, there would be people coming on here and complaining that it was too far from their house.
Everyone will never be satisfied.
Seems the folks that go to DDR don't complain about the distance.
BTW is it still a problem to get volunteers to run the park up near Springdale?

[Lovey2]

I love my dog beyond measure. that measure does not extend to another person's property. I chose a home without fence and small boundaries. My neighbors are not expected to share their lawns. I created the problem and it's mine to solve. Let's ride, Emma.

What a nice concept!! We had planned on buying a villa when we moved here, so the dog we were going to get (a boxer, Kitty) would have it's own private space to enjoy, and I could clean up the mess in private (I have no desire to be outside picking up poop and carrying it around with me), and my dog could go where I designated. We ended up with a second cat, so the dog acquisition went out the window. I agree there should be a consideration for a second dog park, but I don't think the Villages should HAVE TO provide this for dog owners, nor does that have one iota to do with the amenity fees. Should I insist on a scratch play-house for my cats...or maybe we can build an aviary for people with birds...really? And isn't it just funny how on these cold and windy days, I don't see any of those dogs that "just won't go" on their own lawns, being walked as usual and going on MY lawn...hmmmm...they must be holding it for the nice weather???

[smcgirl]

At the risk of inducing an epidemic of terminal boredom, may I say this: the issue here is not poop. The issue is reasonable accommodation of the needs and desires of Villagers who happen to be dog owners. I am well aware that dog parks were not part of the promised amenities when I purchased my home. But perhaps they should be. That's my point. I could be wrong, but perhaps there would be fewer people walking their dogs in the vicinity of postal stations if there were an attractive alternative. Costs associated with providing and maintaining such a facility would be negligible compared to those of other recreational facilities.

I am always quite amazed at the number of posters on this site who seem to be utterly obsessed with "poop". Dr. Freud once postulated that such fascinations had their origin with early difficulties involved in potty training. Hence the derivation of the "anal retentive" and "anal explosive" personality types. I myself decline to make comment on such matters.

This my friend made me laugh.

[Lovey2]

This was sent to us by our village website to use to request another dog park below 466A...good idea...maybe if enough people take a minute to fill it in it just may happen
CIC Suggestion Form (http://districtgov.org/departments/Recreation/CICsuggestions.aspx)

[D&Lsunfun]

Did all these dog owners have a "dog park" in their former neighborhoods?
What about their own property?

[janmcn]

I have to agree this is not about dog poop. That topic has been beaten to death. I often take my dog to the Tamarind Grove area too on our walks. After we walked today I was approached by Community Watch, he said this is not a dog park, I said excuse me, he said this is private property and you can't have a dog here. I simply said well my dog is on his leash, here is his poop in my little bag, and I do believe this is Villages property not private property. I said I don't understand how TV being taunted as pet friendly will allow me to walk my dog on any town square or inside any of the sales centers (we actually have dog treats in the sales centers to give to dogs who come in) and you say this is the only private property where dogs aren't allowed.
I must say there were a few very hot tempered dog walkers there who got very argumentative.
I came home and called the district office (was told they knew nothing) they passed me on to community watch who passed me to their supervisor, who passed me to their supervisor and no one could tell me anything. All I got from the last lady was..give me your # and we will have someone who is aware of the situation call you back. Haven't heard back.
I will just say, whether it be dogs or any other countless rules, there will always be those who don't believe rules apply to them or choose only to follow a select few. I don't think dogs should be hanging around the postal stations themselves, but in the grassy areas that surround them, I don't see a problem. Just gives some people something else to complain about.




Why was this policy change not publicized before implementation? People are now told something they have been doing for five, ten, twenty years is now illegal, without any advance warning. Signs could have been posted, flyers posted at the mailbox, or an article in the Daily Sun would have gotten the word out.

This is so typical of the way things are done here. Drop the hammer with no notice then deny that anyone knows anything about the matter...think 'Berlin wall'. Changes were made under cover of darkness, then nobody would take responsibility for the action.

BTW: I feel sorry for the neighborhood watch fellows who have the job of informing residents they are breaking the law that nobody knew existed.

[TVMayor]

Well the way I see it the Community Watch is on my payroll not the developers. True be that. If the developer wants to have a poopee patrol let him finance it.

[Bogie Shooter]

Why was this policy change not publicized before implementation? People are now told something they have been doing for five, ten, twenty years is now illegal, without any advance warning. Signs could have been posted, flyers posted at the mailbox, or an article in the Daily Sun would have gotten the word out.

This is so typical of the way things are done here. Drop the hammer with no notice then deny that anyone knows anything about the matter...think 'Berlin wall'. Changes were made under cover of darkness, then nobody would take responsibility for the action.

BTW: I feel sorry for the neighborhood watch fellows who have the job of informing residents they are breaking the law that nobody knew existed.

twenty years?

[Barefoot]

Did all these dog owners have a "dog park" in their former neighborhoods? What about their own property?

Of course dogs go to the bathroom on their own property. But dogs also need to go on walks. They need exercise and so do their owners. And walking dogs to the postal station to pick up mail seems to be a popular pastime.

[Barefoot]

This topic dealt with community watch and the statement that this one area is private property.

Is it possible that Community Watch misunderstood their mandate? I thought multi-modal paths are private property? Are these paths now off limits for dog walking? For all walkers? For bikes? For jogging? What are the new rules?

[CFrance]

Did all these dog owners have a "dog park" in their former neighborhoods?
What about their own property?

Is it possible that Community Watch misunderstood their mandate? I thought multi-modal paths are private property? Are these paths now off limits for dog walking? For all walkers? For bikes? For jogging? What are the new rules?
In answer to D&L, yes, we did have a dog park in our former neighborhood. In our city of 60,000, there were three, plus a 1 1/2-mile- long dog beach on Lake Michigan. Dog parks are ubiquitous; they are commonplace. Why shouldn't we lobby for a dog park here in the southern section? The developer saw fit to put two good ones in the north. We need a decent one in the south.

I drove by the TG mailboxes today. There were neither the community watch trucks nor a sign saying no dogs. But it was 11:00. Perhaps at 2:00 when people normally pick up their mail they will be there. Bare, maybe we'll find out more soon.

[TexaninVA]

Posters in other threads have questioned just what Community Watch does, serve the needs of the community or those of the developer.
Today I journeyed down to the Tamarind Grove neighborhood postal station to pick up my mail and found a Community Watch truck with a watch person going up to residents walking their dogs and informing them that this was no longer allowed in this area.
I asked for an explanation, and was told that this area was being used as a "dog park" and that the developer had received complaints. He said that this common area was the property of the developer and not the residents, and that henceforth no dogs would be allowed.
I responded that I had occasionally walked my dog there and that my realtor suggested this as a good place to walk dogs when we purchased our home 2 and a half years ago. He suggested I use the dog park on Bonita behind the fire station and I told him I'd been there and it was about the size of my CYV backyard. I suggested that if the developer wanted to restrict dogs on "common" areas, then perhaps he should consider adding a few more real dog parks.
While I was having this conversation two more Community Watch trucks pulled up to help with the patrol. Is this good way to be spending your amenity fees?????

Kudos to Community Watch !

[Lovey2]

In answer to D&L, yes, we did have a dog park in our former neighborhood. In our city of 60,000, there were three, plus a 1 1/2-mile- long dog beach on Lake Michigan. Dog parks are ubiquitous; they are commonplace. Why shouldn't we lobby for a dog park here in the southern section? The developer saw fit to put two good ones in the north. We need a decent one in the south.

I drove by the TG mailboxes today. There were neither the community watch trucks nor a sign saying no dogs. But it was 11:00. Perhaps at 2:00 when people normally pick up their mail they will be there. Bare, maybe we'll find out more soon.

Fill out the form on the link I posted...I did, and I have no dog. I just think it's a good idea. :)

[TexaninVA]

it is not a good use of their time at all.

Put up a sign and allow citizen reports of violators. Report to who? I don't know!

Start a citizen's patrol.

When you see neighbor violating the rule...call them on it ( I know in today's society that is unlikely to hapen)...but I do! And I get some interesting responses.

I too am a dog owner. My dogs usual spot to do het busienss is my property and I pick up every one of her poops.
When we walk, every day, 2-3 miles on the multi modal paths, if and when she makes a deposit I pick it up.

There is absolutely no reason why the non responsible dog owners cannot do the same. If not they should not have a dog.

And if they don't and I witness it I tell them right then and there!!

Maybe ... but most people will not want to confront a dog owner in this manner for a variety of reasons ... including the risk of a short tempered owner flaring up and creating a worse problem than not picking up the poop. Thus, Community Watch did the right thing here IMHO.

[rubicon]

What a nice concept!! We had planned on buying a villa when we moved here, so the dog we were going to get (a boxer, Kitty) would have it's own private space to enjoy, and I could clean up the mess in private (I have no desire to be outside picking up poop and carrying it around with me), and my dog could go where I designated. We ended up with a second cat, so the dog acquisition went out the window. I agree there should be a consideration for a second dog park, but I don't think the Villages should HAVE TO provide this for dog owners, nor does that have one iota to do with the amenity fees. Should I insist on a scratch play-house for my cats...or maybe we can build an aviary for people with birds...really? And isn't it just funny how on these cold and windy days, I don't see any of those dogs that "just won't go" on their own lawns, being walked as usual and going on MY lawn...hmmmm...they must be holding it for the nice weather???

My thoughts but you did a better job of communicating it. I am aghast that the OP would label this a thread about a dog park vis a vis the lack of consideration by dog owners. I do not want to be around smokers and I don't want to be around dogs. so with that theme let me ay I don't care if you smoke just don't exhale. and I don't care if you walk your dog to the postal station just place a diaper on it or use a cork.

[Lovey2]

My thoughts but you did a better job of communicating it. I am aghast that the OP would label this a thread about a dog park vis a vis the lack of consideration by dog owners. I do not want to be around smokers and I don't want to be around dogs. so with that theme let me ay I don't care if you smoke just don't exhale. and I don't care if you walk your dog to the postal station just place a diaper on it or use a cork.

:clap2:

[CFrance]

I don't like being around people who don't like pets. There's something cold there.

[graciegirl]

Why was this policy change not publicized before implementation? People are now told something they have been doing for five, ten, twenty years is now illegal, without any advance warning. Signs could have been posted, flyers posted at the mailbox, or an article in the Daily Sun would have gotten the word out.

This is so typical of the way things are done here. Drop the hammer with no notice then deny that anyone knows anything about the matter...think 'Berlin wall'. Changes were made under cover of darkness, then nobody would take responsibility for the action.

BTW: I feel sorry for the neighborhood watch fellows who have the job of informing residents they are breaking the law that nobody knew existed.


The views and opinions and spoken words of the help are not always the views of the management. (Neighborhood watch)



If they put everything up for debate they would have 100 thousand very opinionated responses. I don't blame them for not telling people what they are going to do ahead of time.


It isn't that either time any awful thing happened from it after all was said and done. The gate was there to establish a precedent before negotiations with Fruitland Park, or we could have had a LOT more golf cart traffic. They did put up a sign prior, yes a day or two before, but it ended well. I don't suppose they could have conjured up a gate and had it in in time to go to the negotiations and kept Fruitland Park from saying that the borders weren't secure...that ultimately made this a better place for us all.

[Cisco Kid]

I don't like being around people who don't like pets. There's something cold there.

Them kind of people should say in their own yard were we don't have to smell them.

[ilovetv]

I love pets and kids. I just don't like being around people who refuse to train and discipline their bratty little screaming kids running around like animals....and nice dogs...allowing them do whatever they darn well please and "to hell" with others who might want to relax without aggravation.

[gerryann]

My thoughts but you did a better job of communicating it. I am aghast that the OP would label this a thread about a dog park vis a vis the lack of consideration by dog owners. I do not want to be around smokers and I don't want to be around dogs. so with that theme let me ay I don't care if you smoke just don't exhale. and I don't care if you walk your dog to the postal station just place a diaper on it or use a cork.

You don't like dogs?....Maybe a development that does not allow dogs??? They do exist.
Don't like smokers? Just stay away.....or don't breath around them???

[gerryann]

I love pets and kids. I just don't like being around people who refuse to train and discipline their bratty little screaming kids running around like animals....and nice dogs...allowing them do whatever they darn well please and "to hell" with others who might want to relax without aggravation.

Holy jumping beans...now lets tear down the bratty, screaming kids.....is there no end to the complaining???? :shrug:

[Cisco Kid]

Well the way I see it the Community Watch is on my payroll not the developers. True be that. If the developer wants to have a poopee patrol let him finance it.

With the recent crime wave Community Watch needs to make public showing.
I see over @ Village news another cart has been stolen.

[TexaninVA]

I don't like being around people who don't like pets. There's something cold there.

Actually it's allergies ... I just took a test and am allergic to cats, dogs and various other things in the air.

[ilovetv]

Holy jumping beans...now lets tear down the bratty, screaming kids.....is there no end to the complaining???? :shrug:

The lack of training and discipline is the same. And dislike for that behavior by kids is a big reason people come to a 55+older community like TV.

[Barefoot]

I don't want to be around dogs. ..... .
We couldn't have guessed.

I don't like being around people who don't like pets. There's something cold there.
I totally agree.

I love pets and kids. I just don't like being around people who refuse to train and discipline their bratty little screaming kids running around like animals....and nice dogs...allowing them do whatever they darn well please and "to hell" with others who might want to relax without aggravation.

If you only like perfectly behaved pets and kids, good luck with that!

You don't like dogs?....Maybe a development that does not allow dogs. They do exist.
Why do dog haters choose a pet friendly community and then complain about the dogs?

Holy jumping beans...now lets tear down the bratty, screaming kids.....is there no end to the complaining???? :shrug:
No end in sight.

[shcisamax]

We couldn't have guessed.


I totally agree.



If you only like perfectly behaved pets and kids, good luck with that!


Why do dog haters choose a pet friendly community and then complain about the dogs?


No end in sight.

You go Barefoot! You say it all so much more nicely than I would.

[Bogie Shooter]

With the recent crime wave Community Watch needs to make public showing.
I see over @ Village news another cart has been stolen.

Stolen from in front of a restaurant.

[zonerboy]

Visited the Tamarind Grove postal station this afternoon to pick up mail. No Community Watch on dog patrol, no notifications posted, no new signage, no nothing. Except a couple of people walking their dogs.
So what the heck is this supposed to mean?
Tempest in a Teapot?
Strategic retreat?

[graciegirl]

Visited the Tamarind Grove postal station this afternoon to pick up mail. No Community Watch on dog patrol, no notifications posted, no new signage, no nothing. Except a couple of people walking their dogs.
So what the heck is this supposed to mean?
Tempest in a Teapot?
Strategic retreat?


I hate problems and people all mad. I am hoping it is a problem that went poof.

[CFrance]

Visited the Tamarind Grove postal station this afternoon to pick up mail. No Community Watch on dog patrol, no notifications posted, no new signage, no nothing. Except a couple of people walking their dogs.
So what the heck is this supposed to mean?
Tempest in a Teapot?
Strategic retreat?

My husband went up there to pick up the mail around 3:30 or so. Same result. No CW, two people with dogs.

Makes you wonder if some disgruntled TG resident has a CW friend.:rant-rave:

[Cisco Kid]

Visited the Tamarind Grove postal station this afternoon to pick up mail. No Community Watch on dog patrol, no notifications posted, no new signage, no nothing. Except a couple of people walking their dogs.
So what the heck is this supposed to mean?
Tempest in a Teapot?
Strategic retreat?

Did you look up for drones ?

I heard the developer is going to use drone strikes on poop perps to distract from the 1000% crime increase.

[gerryann]

I hate problems and people all mad. I am hoping it is a problem that went poof.

You are wise Gracie and I hope for the same as you do..........it seems like a whole lot of useless steam being vented for a problem that will never go away. This is a dog friendly community and will always be dog friendly. Nothing will ever change that. The RESPONSIBLE dog owners will continue to walk their dogs where they please...and ALWAYS pick up after......and the IRRESPONSIBLE dog owners will continue to NOT pick up after their pets...unfortunate to say the least...it's just a fact. Do the irresponsible owners read TOTV?......probably not. To the folks that don't like dogs and kids.....just stay away from them. It's a lot easier to stay away from the kids though...they are few and far between. Get used to the dogs cause they are here to stay.

[vj1213]

Just an added note...I never received my phone call from whomever, "someone with knowledge of the situation" was. So life goes on!!

[CFrance]

Just an added note...I never received my phone call from whomever, "someone with knowledge of the situation" was. So life goes on!!

Makes me even more suspicious that this wasn't a "sanctioned" raid.

[KeepingItReal]

[QUOTE=Barefoot;828765]

Why do dog haters choose a pet friendly community and then complain about the dogs?


There is probably a big difference of opinion what being dog friendly really means. Don't think it really means what some dog owners would like for it to mean...

[rwilliamsk]

I am a resident of Tamarind Grove and have taken my dog up to the mailboxes everyday for the last year. Not once have I seen any piles of dog poop, nor have I ever smelled anything from the garbage cans around the mailboxes. Every person I encounter there that are walking their dogs love the social time and the interaction with each other and our dogs. I have met some of the most pleasant people up there than anywhere in The Villages because we have that common denominator - we are "dog lovers". Everyone that I have seen are responsible dog owners and pick up after their dogs. Why all of a sudden has it been decided that we can no longer bring our dogs there? I would really like to hear from the person who for some reason has decided they don't want dogs in that area. I agree with the other posts from residents - - - if you see someone who does not pick up after their dog - - call them on it!!! Don't ruin it for those of us and our dogs who enjoy that area!

[CFrance]

I am a resident of Tamarind Grove and have taken my dog up to the mailboxes everyday for the last year. Not once have I seen any piles of dog poop, nor have I ever smelled anything from the garbage cans around the mailboxes. Every person I encounter there that are walking their dogs love the social time and the interaction with each other and our dogs. I have met some of the most pleasant people up there than anywhere in The Villages because we have that common denominator - we are "dog lovers". Everyone that I have seen are responsible dog owners and pick up after their dogs. Why all of a sudden has it been decided that we can no longer bring our dogs there? I would really like to hear from the person who for some reason has decided they don't want dogs in that area. I agree with the other posts from residents - - - if you see someone who does not pick up after their dog - - call them on it!!! Don't ruin it for those of us and our dogs who enjoy that area!

Thank you. I thought I was missing something, because I have been saying all along that I have never seen dog poop up there except once two years ago, and Uptown Girl took care of that problem by turning in the offender. I stop by the trash can to sort through my mail and throw out the junk, and I simply don't remember ever seeing the No Animal Feces sign torn off, nor have I smelled anything coming from the receptacle. Nor have I ever driven up there and not been able to find a parking place close to the boxes. I have seen dogs off leash. But none of the other offenses.

One of the reasons there are golf carts up there from other neighborhoods, according to my neighbor who goes to the pool, is because people so love the setting of our pool, they come from other neighborhoods (which is allowed).

With any luck this will die a quiet death. The group up there with their dogs seem to be having a good time socializing. And their dogs are not causing a problem, IMO. Mostly they come in the morning, before people are up there getting their mail, which comes out around 2:00.

[Bonanza]

Yes.

Yes? Are you kidding??? You think that three sets of community watch personnel should be used for dog patrol? This one person actually required two other sets of "backup???"

Obviously, you don't have a dog of even like dogs. That explains your one-word comment.

[Bonanza]

This property belongs to the developer, and he can set whatever rules he wants on his property. On the other hand, he should advise the sales office of his new policy so that sales agents are no longer giving bogus information to perspective buyers.

If we, as Villages residents, are paying to maintain the common areas, I can't quite believe that the developer "owns" this property and can tell us what we can do or can't do in these common areas, if it isn't in the documents we received when we all purchased.

[Cisco Kid]

Residents should have a million dog march on the town squares and demand your right to have a dog park in every village.
Everything is a right now a days.
And promise that amenity fees will go down 25 bucks due to the expansion.
Period.

[graciegirl]

You can call Community Watch and ask them if dogs are not allowed at the grassy area adjacent to the Tamarind Grove Pool. The OP says that they were at the Postal Station at Tamarind Grove. Not sure if they are close to each other?

The number for Community Watch is 352.753.0550
http://www.districtgov.org/departments/Community-Watch/community-watch.aspx


The guy who answered was full of information. I called.

[Marigold]

Okay, I'm confused as to who owns, pays to maintain what here!!!
All you smart people help me out. I have been reading threads on a variety of subjects and I think it goes like this......
I go to a neighborhood mailbox/pool. The grass area is the developer's. The rest rooms inside the gated pool area where I can be asked to show my pass are for the general public who don't need a pass. The parking lot there can be used for construction workers, lawn service, or any other businesses to park, eat lunch, off load equipment from larger trucks to smaller ones while parked sideways across twelve parking spaces.(as I observed recently at Buttonwood and Poinciana )
So what part of that facility do my amenities fees go to maintain?
I know, call somebody at the ...... Do you think this is written somewhere?

[mulligan]

All the above mentioned property is owned by the VCCDD. That would be the Village Center Community Development District. That makes it private property, just like the rec centers, exec golf courses, etc. All those are supported and maintained by your amenity fees. They are not public property, but rather private property with public access. The VCCDD board or supervisors makes all the rules, and grants limited access to the public.

[gomoho]

Okay, I'm confused as to who owns, pays to maintain what here!!!
All you smart people help me out. I have been reading threads on a variety of subjects and I think it goes like this......
I go to a neighborhood mailbox/pool. The grass area is the developer's. The rest rooms inside the gated pool area where I can be asked to show my pass are for the general public who don't need a pass. The parking lot there can be used for construction workers, lawn service, or any other businesses to park, eat lunch, off load equipment from larger trucks to smaller ones while parked sideways across twelve parking spaces.(as I observed recently at Buttonwood and Poinciana )
So what part of that facility do my amenities fees go to maintain?
I know, call somebody at the ...... Do you think this is written somewhere?

Marigold - and so it goes in The Villages...

[rubicon]

I don't like being around people who don't like pets. There's something cold there.

CFrance: Your comments truly pain me because I care very much for people . Along those same lines ask yourself what people are thinking when dog owners place the needs of their dogs over people? Do you suppose those individuals view a dog owner as cold?

Succinctly stated I do not believe that a person's view on animals has any bearing on their feeling toward other human beings.

Personal Best Regards:

[Bogie Shooter]

Yes? Are you kidding??? You think that three sets of community watch personnel should be used for dog patrol? This one person actually required two other sets of "backup???"

Obviously, you don't have a dog of even like dogs. That explains your one-word comment.

You are speculating.............................

[Bogie Shooter]

If we, as Villages residents, are paying to maintain the common areas, I can't quite believe that the developer "owns" this property and can tell us what we can do or can't do in these common areas, if it isn't in the documents we received when we all purchased.

There is no need to spell out common sense in any document.............or maybe there is?

[rubicon]

You don't like dogs?....Maybe a development that does not allow dogs??? They do exist.
Don't like smokers? Just stay away.....or don't breath around them???

gerryann: If one takes your suggestion to an ultimate conclusion unfortunately smokers would be relegated to an island somewhere. I mean you have been watching the restrictions being placed on smokers since the mid 1980's and CVS's recent announcement both which leads one to conclude that smoking is no longer socially acceptable and is a definite health hazard.

As for animals I understand people's affection for all sorts of critters but it doesn't mean that other people share their enthusiasm . All I am suggesting is that a owner of an animal take responsibility. all I am hearing from dog owners on this thread is we have rights. So telling people if they don't like animals move to where they are not allowed is not an argument nor is it a solution. apparently there are a sufficient number of complaints to cause community Watch to intervene which once again seems to indicate a majority.

Perhaps my earlier comments were too direct for some and so I will apologize because I do not intentionally wish to ever offend anyone.

Personal Best Regards:

[DougR]

I wonder how many of these people who do not pick up after their pets are actual homeowners in TV? Are they renters and Snowbirds? For that matter, people who do not abide by other community rules and regulations obviously do not have the respect for what The Villages is meant to be. I wonder if these "violators" are those who come to TV seasonally and are renting for $3000+ per month. Maybe they have the arrogant attitude that because they pay such a hefty monthly rental fee, that they are 'above' the necessity of following the rules. Or that the grounds crew can pickup after their pets...isn't that why they pay so much in fees?
I am not yet a Villager, but I can see this same type of complacent attitude in my own community development here in Ohio. Those people who rent and lease homes and townhomes within my development just seem to not have that 'ownership pride' in the area. ...not all, but many.
So when The Villages Community Patrol stops to question people who may be violating some rule and restriction, I see it as a benefit to those who own property in TV. IMO they are upholding the values of TV, and they help us understand the rules and regulations.

[LndLocked]

All the above mentioned property is owned by the VCCDD. That would be the Village Center Community Development District. That makes it private property, just like the rec centers, exec golf courses, etc. All those are supported and maintained by your amenity fees. They are not public property, but rather private property with public access. The VCCDD board or supervisors makes all the rules, and grants limited access to the public.


can you tell me where and when I go to vote or voice my approval / disapproval of who exactly makes up the VCDD?

[JohnN]

community watch is a joke and waste of money

[TVMayor]

community watch is a joke and waste of money
They are another facet of the security gate system. That’s Spanish for dog and pony show for visitors.

http://i264.photobucket.com/albums/ii199/The_Villages/trolley.jpg

[schroeder3]

I am not a dog owner.I do however like them very much.I have friends who are very responsible dog owners.I have had dogs in the past.I trained my dog to go in his own yard.Walking them anywhere is fine,if they have accident clean it up.I am glad they are no longer allowed at mail staions,too many off leash and putting poop in garbage cans or down sewer drains.This is very offensive.If you dont want your own dog to go inyour own yard then take to dog parks there are more than one.I also hope that soon dogs will be banned from the Art Fairs.Too many people to bring all those dogs in too.

[angiefox10]

community watch is a joke and waste of money

I do not wish to argue with you kind sir. There is enough of that already... Could I please put forth some things for you to consider?

The watch was sent there to only inform on orders from the head of The Villages, Janet Tutt. It is not a dog park. Can we try to not shoot the messenger?

Now... what the watch has done recently.....

Found a lost man with Alzheimer's, saved with first responders, worked with the gate cameras to catch burglars, found lost dogs and cats, pulled snakes out of lanais, stand by for stranded motorists, stand as crossing guards at colony. All that while making mega bucks... (OK.. I made that last part up) Truth be known, I don't think they make a lot of money doing this and from what I've seen, they have always been friendly and helpful. As someone already pointed out, they check homes and if they notice a garage is up, they will call the owner to make them aware of the situation.

You may still feel community watch is a waste of money, but for my money, it's well spent dollars.

[vj1213]

The only part I find strange is that this is the only property in all of TV where dogs can't walk. (Of course before anyone says it...yes, I know that they can't walk on golf courses). But they can walk in the grassy areas around any other postal stations, around any town square, around any other common areas, inside any of the sales centers.
And no, I still haven't received my call back. Think I might call back tomorrow. I will always find a place to walk my dog so it's not the end of the world...I just find it odd.

[angiefox10]

The only part I find strange is that this is the only property in all of TV where dogs can't walk. (Of course before anyone says it...yes, I know that they can't walk on golf courses). But they can walk in the grassy areas around any other postal stations, around any town square, around any other common areas, inside any of the sales centers.
And no, I still haven't received my call back. Think I might call back tomorrow. I will always find a place to walk my dog so it's not the end of the world...I just find it odd.

My understanding (which isn't much), all postal areas will be closed off to dog walking Again... I don't know if I have this completely correct. But I understand that you can walk your dog to pick up your mail. You just can't use the postal area to walk or run your dog.

You might want to try to call again and see if you can get an answer. I'm guessing from this post, there are a lot of people calling, and they are overwhelmed trying to answer them. This did come out of the blue and took everyone by surprise. Just try to keep in mind, community watch is only following orders. Find out where and who, and you will get a better line on what's going on.

In the meantime... Thanks for making the call.

[CFrance]

My understanding (which isn't much), all postal areas will be closed off to dog walking Again... I don't know if I have this completely correct. But I understand that you can walk your dog to pick up your mail. You just can't use the postal area to walk or run your dog.

You might want to try to call again and see if you can get an answer. I'm guessing from this post, there are a lot of people calling, and they are overwhelmed trying to answer them. This did come out of the blue and took everyone by surprise. Just try to keep in mind, community watch is only following orders. Find out where and who, and you will get a better line on what's going on.

In the meantime... Thanks for making the call.
There were several calls made, and the same response was given--we don't know anything about it. If this is a sanctioned move by CW, it was so ill thought-out. You start with information, put up signs, move on to warnings, end up with fines or complaint-driven fines. You don't just show up one day and kick everybody out because somebody said so.

It just makes me suspicious, the way they're doing it, as to whether it's really been sanctioned by a higher power, or did a couple of CW's took it upon themselves to do something as a favor because someone complained.

I'll tell you, now those ladies have parked their lawn chairs out on the parking lots with their dogs. Three of them today. That parking lot is a through street between Tamarind Grove Run and the road on the other side of the park. It's got more traffic than a normal Postal center. Somebody's going to get hurt.

[Barefoot]

The watch was sent there to only inform on orders from the head of The Villages, Janet Tutt.
Angie
May we assume from your post that if we call the office of Janet Tutt, she will confirm that she ordered Community Watch to patrol mail stations in The Villages. And that Community Watch is to inform people that Mail Stations are private property, and that dogs are no longer allowed to be walked there?

[angiefox10]

There were several calls made, and the same response was given--we don't know anything about it. If this is a sanctioned move by CW, it was so ill thought-out. You start with information, put up signs, move on to warnings, end up with fines or complaint-driven fines. You don't just show up one day and kick everybody out because somebody said so.

It just makes me suspicious, the way they're doing it, as to whether it's really been sanctioned by a higher power, or did a couple of CW's took it upon themselves to do something as a favor because someone complained.

I'll tell you, now those ladies have parked their lawn chairs out on the parking lots with their dogs. Three of them today. That parking lot is a through street between Tamarind Grove Run and the road on the other side of the park. It's got more traffic than a normal Postal center. Somebody's going to get hurt.

What I am to understand is, this IS the information (warning). Other steps to follow. I have also heard the rule will apply to all mail boxes. I believe community watch has already been to a couple of others, but I can't confirm this. I have been told this isn't about just on mail center.


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Angie
May we assume from your post that if we call the office of Janet Tutt, she will confirm that she ordered Community Watch to patrol mail stations in The Villages. And that Community Watch is to inform people that Mail Stations are private property, and that dogs are no longer allowed to be walked there?

Barefoot, I don't know what will happen. I would hope she would, so the Community Watch could stop getting the abuse over this situation. From what I have heard, it's getting ugly. These gentlemen don't just work here... They live here as well.

[skyking]

community watch is a joke and waste of money

I truly feel sorry for these guys. They signed on to help villagers and are now being asked to harass dog walkers. They have no authority, take abuse for passing on a message from an unknown authority (in hiding) and many, I am sure, have dogs themselves and don't personally want to get involved in this issue.

[graciegirl]

Community watch is so appreciated by most of us. I am a huge fan.


My first boss in a part time job as a teen taught me how to answer a phone.


He said find out as much as you can and disclose nothing.


That was not the case when I called for information on this subject yesterday. I got an earful and I suspected that the opinions were those of the phone answerer. Maybe not the "official" opinion.


And being me, 'cause I can't be anyone else, I think that some sensible explanation will surface soon. Hope springs eternal.


And I am a HUGE fan of Janet Tutt who has an IMPOSSIBLE job. If I had to deal with all of us opinionated people I would change careers FAST. She is often like King Solomon with that baby in front of him.

[janmcn]

I truly feel sorry for these guys. They signed on to help villagers and are now being asked to harass dog walkers. They have no authority, take abuse for passing on a message from an unknown authority (in hiding) and many, I am sure, have dogs themselves and don't personally want to get involved in this issue.


And the people that ordered the harassing are hiding under their desks, behind locked doors and not answering the phone. This shows real courage.

[Taltarzac725]

I do not wish to argue with you kind sir. There is enough of that already... Could I please put forth some things for you to consider?

The watch was sent there to only inform on orders from the head of The Villages, Janet Tutt. It is not a dog park. Can we try to not shoot the messenger?

Now... what the watch has done recently.....

Found a lost man with Alzheimer's, saved with first responders, worked with the gate cameras to catch burglars, found lost dogs and cats, pulled snakes out of lanais, stand by for stranded motorists, stand as crossing guards at colony. All that while making mega bucks... (OK.. I made that last part up) Truth be known, I don't think they make a lot of money doing this and from what I've seen, they have always been friendly and helpful. As someone already pointed out, they check homes and if they notice a garage is up, they will call the owner to make them aware of the situation.

You may still feel community watch is a waste of money, but for my money, it's well spent dollars.

I feel that the Community Watch do a very good job even if from at least one reliable source they probably are not as well organized as some people think especially judging from the responses on this thread. This was probably just some CW members responding to complaints from people in that immediate area who had not bothered to move things through the proper channels.

[skyking]

Well I hope they settle this issue calmly and soon. There is no law against walking a dog so I suppose they only way they could enforce this "no dog" policy is to file a trespassing complaint. Can you picture it? A senior citizen and their dog staging a "sit in" on the grass behind the mailboxes and The Villages of Lake Sumter Landing, Inc. calls the sheriff to remove and charge the trespasser? I suspect there are a number of litigators in Florida who would love to take that case and if they are of another political persuasion make H. Gary look like an ogre. There goes the "Friendliest Hometown" image. Probably would be the lead story on MSNBC.

[CFrance]

I truly feel sorry for these guys. They signed on to help villagers and are now being asked to harass dog walkers. They have no authority, take abuse for passing on a message from an unknown authority (in hiding) and many, I am sure, have dogs themselves and don't personally want to get involved in this issue.

I agree with you on this, skyking. If this is coming from JT, she needs to announce it herself first before sending a posse of CW around to do a sweep. The first day was not just informing people. They were in kicking-them-out mode.

What's wrong with JT announcing, In one week (month, whatever) there will no longer be dogs allowed in the park.

This is unfair to CW. It does seem like the powers that be prefer to kick the can and then hide when these unpopular decisions are made.

[zonerboy]

In my experience, once the genie is out of the bottle, it is very difficult to get it back inside.
Guess we'll just have to wait and see how this plays out.

[skyking]

I agree with you on this, skyking. If this is coming from JT, she needs to announce it herself first before sending a posse of CW around to do a sweep. The first day was not just informing people. They were in kicking-them-out mode.

What's wrong with JT announcing, In one week (month, whatever) there will no longer be dogs allowed in the park.

This is unfair to CW. It does seem like the powers that be prefer to kick the can and then hide when these unpopular decisions are made.

Well if this is Janet she needs to understand that you cannot make laws by "executive order".

[zonerboy]

It was not my intention when I started this thread to stir up a whole bunch of hostility. So let me say this:
Do dog owners in The Villages have rights? Yes, and those rights are the same as for any other Villager. Do we have a right to take our dogs with us wherever we choose to go? Certainly not. Do we're have a right to a new dog park south of 466A. Definitely not, but it sure would be nice and might help solve some problems in addition.
Do dog owners have responsibilities? Again yes, and special additional responsibilities in regard to their dogs, including: to pick up after them at ALL times, and to make every reasonable effort to ensure that our dogs are not a bother to others thru excessive barking, aggressive behavior, or simply by being too close to those who are allergic to, afraid of, or unfriendly towards dogs.
I believe the great majority of dog owners act responsibly, but there are always some who do not, or will not.
I also understand that my concept of "reasonable effort" May not be exactly the same as yours. In that case we may have to do something that seems to be rare these days. It's called Compromise.
So I'm signing off on this topic. Peace be with you, everyone.

[gomoho]

Well if this is Janet she needs to understand that you cannot make laws by "executive order".

Perhaps she too has a pen and a phone:icon_wink:

[janmcn]

Perhaps she too has a pen and a phone:icon_wink:


And direct orders from the dictator-in-chief. Does anybody on this forum think that Janet Tutt woke up one morning and said to herself 'I think I will p--- off all the dog owners today', and 'I will order community watch to do the dirty work' all the while claiming total ignorance.

[Barefoot]

And direct orders from the dictator-in-chief. Does anybody on this forum think that Janet Tutt woke up one morning and said to herself 'I think I will p--- off all the dog owners today', and 'I will order community watch to do the dirty work' all the while claiming total ignorance.

I find it hard to believe that Janet Tutt issued an "order" to Community Watch to evict dog walkers from mail stations. It just doesn't sound like Janet Tutt's style. And if dogs are no longer allowed on private property, doesn't that include multi-modal paths and the Springdale Walking Trail?

[gomoho]

So dog walkers at Tamarind Grove mail station - everything ok today???

[CFrance]

So dog walkers at Tamarind Grove mail station - everything ok today???
Our morning walk takes us up Tamarind Grove Run, through the mail parking to the other side, down that street and around, etc., etc.

At around 10:00 a.m. there was a CW truck parked in the mail parking lot, backed in across from the park where he could see anyone who might be entering the grass area with a dog. He gave us the once over. I said, "Sic 'em, Crosby," but he just continued drooling & dragging. He's not overly fond of forced marches.

One good outcome is I've never seen CW's presence in our neighborhood so much as we have in the past week! If we see them twice a month in our neck of the woods, it's rare.

[mrsanborn]

...
At around 10:00 a.m. there was a CW truck parked in the mail parking lot, backed in across from the park where he could see anyone who might be entering the grass area with a dog. He gave us the once over. I said, "Sic 'em, Crosby," but he just continued drooling & dragging. He's not overly fond of forced marches. ...

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The last time I heard "Sic 'em" used, I saw a dog's head explode and if it weren't for the police coming down the street as this happened, I believe the owner's head may have exploded also. So, "Sic 'em", in jest or otherwise is not a good phrase to use especially in a stand your ground state. I was only a witness, not the trigger man.

[janmcn]

Our morning walk takes us up Tamarind Grove Run, through the mail parking to the other side, down that street and around, etc., etc.

At around 10:00 a.m. there was a CW truck parked in the mail parking lot, backed in across from the park where he could see anyone who might be entering the grass area with a dog. He gave us the once over. I said, "Sic 'em, Crosby," but he just continued drooling & dragging. He's not overly fond of forced marches.

One good outcome is I've never seen CW's presence in our neighborhood so much as we have in the past week! If we see them twice a month in our neck of the woods, it's rare.



Is the grassey area posted 'no trespassing' or 'no dogs allowed'?