Hats in Restaurants

[Cathy H]

A letter to the Sun today complained about men not being gentlemen when wearing dirty hats while dining in restaurants. But suppose their religion has a tradition of head coverings, or maybe they were Texans? Lets accept those hat guys just like we accept our clowns when dining in their costumes, as long as their group ate quietly.

[Madelaine Amee]

A letter to the Sun today complained about men not being gentlemen when wearing dirty hats while dining in restaurants. But suppose their religion has a tradition of head coverings, or maybe they were Texans? Lets accept those hat guys just like we accept our clowns when dining in their costumes, as long as their group ate quietly.

Sometime ago we were transferred to Scotland to work. My other half was in the bar after playing golf and the bar tender reached over and snatched his golf cap off his head and threw it on the ground and told him Scotsmen don't wear their hats inside! Somewhat embarrassing, but lesson learned!

[Tweety Bird]

A letter to the Sun today complained about men not being gentlemen when wearing dirty hats while dining in restaurants. But suppose their religion has a tradition of head coverings, or maybe they were Texans? Lets accept those hat guys just like we accept our clowns when dining in their costumes, as long as their group ate quietly.

Religious head coverings are due to respect and are clean. A dirty, stinky baseball cap?

[perrjojo]

A letter to the Sun today complained about men not being gentlemen when wearing dirty hats while dining in restaurants. But suppose their religion has a tradition of head coverings, or maybe they were Texans? Lets accept those hat guys just like we accept our clowns when dining in their costumes, as long as their group ate quietly.


Texas men should take off their golf/baseball caps indoors but a cowboy never, ever takes off his hat EXCEPT FOR ONE THING! Giggle, giggle. BTW, they don't like to take off their hats cuz they have "hat hair". I do agree though, caps and hats should be removed.

[buggyone]

No recognized religion requires golf caps in restaurants.

It is uncouth louts that wear golf caps while eating in restaurants.

As far as Texans, well, just see the above statement and substitute cowboy hats.

[eremite06]

"Uncouth louts!" Wow. The chefs wear hats in the kitchen. Don't they?

[2BNTV]

Not big on wearing hats so if I was wearing one, I would take it off, if I were to go into a restaurant.

Maybe some guys don't realize they have them on. :D

We use to have a guy in the old neighborhood, nicknamed, "Louie The Hat".

Nobody ever saw him without his hat, and he wore it inside our club. It seemed like it was permanetly attached to his head, or maybe he was making a fashion statement.

I think he should have given his hat a day off, once in a while. :D

[gomoho]

Wow - this could get as interesting as a dog poop thread. Do you really care if someone has his hat on in a restaurant if they are not sitting with you???

[2BNTV]

Wow - this could get as interesting as a dog poop thread. Do you really care if someone has his hat on in a restaurant if they are not sitting with you???

Yes, if it's "Louie The Hat". That thing must have been filled with germs as wore it 365 days a year. Did you ever see a baseball players cap that wasn't washed in four months. Ewwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!

[gomoho]

Ok 2B but do you think those germs are gonna jump out of the hat and get you???

[e-flyer]

I'll take my hat off when the red hat ladies remove their red hats as well……just teasing, I was always taught as a young kid to remove my hat indoors, and always wear a shirt to the dinner table.

[elizabeth52]

This is something that my mother taught us growing up. Men remove their hats when at the table. I have three younger brothers who quickly learned this. Now, the grandkids and great grandkids have also learned this.

Its simply good manners, in my opinion.

[BarryRX]

I think it's a remnant of a bygone era. I was taught in the military to "uncover" when indoors. But, I don't see many establishments with hat racks. I can always hang my coat on the back of my chair, but often struggle with finding a place to put my hat.

[Matzy]

Okay, in case of germs, long pants and shoes carrying most germs. Regarding hat: I remember that I had one student which don't like to take off the hat in school because he didn't see a reason to do so. Then I asked him why he want to leave it on and was guessing maybe he don't want all that things he right now learned want to fly off and he want to keep it tide. Believe me, I never saw him wearing a hat in classroom again.

[Topspinmo]

Ok, this is not the 1950's.:crap2: A lot of Old traditions are gone:beer3:. Only few old coots were old sweetie hats. Me personally would rather they leave them on their heads rather than lay them on the table.barf Another thing the hat might keep stuff from falling off their unwashed head. If they wear sweetie old hats you think they wash routinelybarf... I would rather see hats on heads (even turned sideways or backwards than these jeans kids were 3 sizes too big showing butt crack or underwear:pray:. But As fads change or traditions we have to adjust with them. You know obnoxious perfume leather on so thick it chokes you stink about as bad as old sweetie hats:pepper2:. Just saying we all don't like some things other people do. As for the scotty snatching somebodies hat off could be knock out time, but Bullies pick the right pigeon usually.

[DougB]

Okay, in case of germs, long pants and shoes carrying most germs. Regarding hat: I remember that I had one student which don't like to take off the hat in school because he didn't see a reason to do so. Then I asked him why he want to leave it on and was guessing maybe he don't want all that things he right now learned want to fly off and he want to keep it tide. Believe me, I never saw him wearing a hat in classroom again.

Huh?

[buggyone]

Ok, this is not the 1950's.:crap2: A lot of Old traditions are gone:beer3:. Only few old coots were old sweetie hats. Me personally would rather they leave them on their heads rather than lay them on the table.barf Another thing the hat might keep stuff from falling off their unwashed head. If they wear sweetie old hats you think they wash routinelybarf... I would rather see hats on heads (even turned sideways or backwards than these jeans kids were 3 sizes too big showing butt crack or underwear:pray:. But As fads change or traditions we have to adjust with them. You know obnoxious perfume leather on so thick it chokes you stink about as bad as old sweetie hats:pepper2:. Just saying we all don't like some things other people do. As for the scotty snatching somebodies hat off could be knock out time, but Bullies pick the right pigeon usually.

I have no idea what an "old sweetie hat" is. Here in The Villages, I see guys with their golf caps on at restaurants while dining in about every establishment. I have not seen one "kid" in The Villages wearing baggy jeans.

I will stick with my original assessment of "uncouth louts".

[renielarson]

Okay, in case of germs, long pants and shoes carrying most germs. Regarding hat: I remember that I had one student which don't like to take off the hat in school because he didn't see a reason to do so. Then I asked him why he want to leave it on and was guessing maybe he don't want all that things he right now learned want to fly off and he want to keep it tide. Believe me, I never saw him wearing a hat in classroom again.

I respectfully apologize for not understanding your post. Would you please translate it for me? Thanks so much.

[zonerboy]

Sweaty hats, maybe.

[The Great Fumar]

A gentleman always carries a hankerchief and removes his hat indoors . if he doesn't . he's UNCOUTH ...

Case Closed .....................a very couthed fumar...:wine:

[CFrance]

Sweaty hats, maybe.
Good guess. I think you're right.

[Thnonne]

Nobody has given a reason why a hat should be removed when you are in a restaurant. If someone is more comfortable with their hat on, then they should be allowed to eat in comfort, their hat does not affect anyone's meal.

[buggyone]

Nobody has given a reason why a hat should be removed when you are in a restaurant. If someone is more comfortable with their hat on, then they should be allowed to eat in comfort, their hat does not affect anyone's meal.

No one has given a reason to wear a shirt in a restaurant, either. Why not sit at the table without a shirt in the comfort you want?

No rules in restaurants about using silverware to eat but I certainly would not want to see someone eating their steak and mashed potatoes with their hands - especially if they did not have a shirt on!

I think common courtesy is the answer. Anything else is nothing more than an uncouth lout.

[The Great Fumar]

Nobody has given a reason why a hat should be removed when you are in a restaurant. If someone is more comfortable with their hat on, then they should be allowed to eat in comfort, their hat does not affect anyone's meal.

Its called manners. rates in there with good breeding.....Some of us had to learn it while serving in the military defending our country !!!! They say Geo. started it , Washington that is !!!

fumar......:crap2:

[skyguy79]

The chefs wear hats in the kitchen. Don't they?It's better a chef wears hats than your having to say to the waiter... "Waiter! What's that hair in my soup?!"

p.s. The waiter just might answer back..."Well, it certainly ain't doing the backstroke like a fly would if I happened to give you one of the bowls that have a fly in it!"
http://www.millan.net/minimations/toolminis/fly1.gif

http://www.thedatereport.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/fruit-fly-175x175.jpg

[Thnonne]

No one has given a reason to wear a shirt in a restaurant, either. Why not sit at the table without a shirt in the comfort you want?

No rules in restaurants about using silverware to eat but I certainly would not want to see someone Seating their steak and mashed potatoes with their hands - especially if they did not have a shirt on!

I think common courtesy is the answer. Anything else is nothing more than an uncouth lout.

So having a piece of apparel on is equivalent to not wearing clothing. Wearing a hat makes someone an uncouth lout, then why do restaurants have signs that say no shirt, no shoes, no service, but do not say no service to those wearing hats?

[NECHFalcon68]

Its called manners. rates in there with good breeding.....Some of us had to learn it while serving in the military defending our country !!!! They say Geo. started it , Washington that is !!!

fumar......:crap2:

I kept my steel pot on while in the chow line....

[KeepingItReal]

Nobody has given a reason why a hat should be removed when you are in a restaurant. If someone is more comfortable with their hat on, then they should be allowed to eat in comfort, their hat does not affect anyone's meal.

I agree, good time to MYOB. I was in the military too but this is not the military. Though I do not wear a hat in a restaurant I don't see that it is any of mine or anyone's business..if someone for whatever reason chooses to do so unless there is a dress code. It's much better than sitting 4 tables away from a group talking so loud trying to talk over each other you can hear every word they say while acting like 3 year old children.

[The Great Fumar]

I agree, good time to MYOB. I was in the military too but this is not the military. Though I do not wear a hat in a restaurant I don't see that it is any of mine or anyone's business..if someone for whatever reason chooses to do so unless there is a dress code. It's much better than sitting 4 tables away from a group talking so loud trying to talk over each other you can hear every word they say while acting like 3 year old children.

And I would venture to say they were all wearing hats ,,,Again, its manners...if that doesn't register , how about culture ...

refined fumar.......:cool

[KeepingItReal]

And I would venture to say they were all wearing hats ,,,Again, its manners...if that doesn't register , how about culture ...

refined fumar.......:cool

Could be they were, but then some were women, I will definitely check next time. :D
Manners, culture, whatever, still not anyone's place to tell anyone they cannot wear a hat nor to label them if they do. As long as they are not bothering anyone
leav'em alone I would still say.

[CFrance]

Of course you can label them--as bad mannered. Doesn't mean you have to go tell them. That's bad manners too.

There IS a standard, even today.

[2BNTV]

Ok 2B but do you think those germs are gonna jump out of the hat and get you???

Maybe, and then I may take after Howard Hughes. :jester:

Seriously, I just think it's the right thing to do when in a restaurant, but it doesn't really bother me. :smiley:

[Bonanza]

Religious head coverings are due to respect and are clean. A dirty, stinky baseball cap?

"A dirty, stinky baseball cap?" Yes! Not to mention that it is fashionable to wear it backwards.

What is wrong with these wives/partners, etc., who don't say anything and think it okay or fashionable.

[jblum315]

The slobs have beaten them into submission, emotionally

[Meddick]

I was raised to not were a hat indoors. However, having said that, this is me and I really do not think much about what others are doing with respect to hat wearing. As long as the folks are not rowdy, they are free to live and let live, as far as I am concerned.

But then again, I am not a hat wearer.

[memason]

Well, sorry folks, but Joe says it's ok to "Leave Your Hat On" ....

Joe Cocker - You Can Leave Your Hat On - YouTube

[gomoho]

Quite frankly - I don't give a damn!

[quirky3]

Fumar! So happy to hear from you!

Would this be OK in restaurants then? :laugh:

p.s. Just kidding, everyone, just kidding! Fumar LOVES dogs so much!!

[elizabeth52]

This is from the Emily Post Institute:

Men – Hats can be left on…
Outdoors
At athletic events (indoors or out)
On public transportation
In public buildings such as post offices, airports,* and hotel or office lobbies
On elevators

Men – Take hats off, including baseball caps …
In someone's home
At mealtimes, at the table
While being introduced, indoors or out (unless it's frigid!)
In a house of worship, unless a hat or head covering is required
Indoors at work, especially in an office (unless required for the job)
In public buildings such as a school, library, courthouse, or town hall
In restaurants and coffee shops
At a movie or any indoor performance
When the national anthem is played
When the flag of the United States passes by, as in a parade

Women – Fashion hats (not baseball-style caps) can be left on…
In someone's home
At luncheons, weddings, garden parties
At religious services
At a movie or any indoor performance
When the national anthem is played
When the flag of the United States passes by, as in a parade

Women — Take your fashion hat off…
Anytime it blocks someone's view, such as at a wedding or in a theater
Indoors at work
Women — Remove baseball-style (unisex) caps…
In someone's home
At mealtimes, at the table
While being introduced
In a house of worship, unless a hat or head covering is required
Indoors at work, unless required for the job
In public buildings such as a school, library, courthouse, or town hall
In restaurants and coffee shops
At a movie or any indoor performance
When the national anthem is played
When the flag of the United States passes by, as in a parade
*

*

(Cancer patients are exempt from hat rules. They may keep their hats or caps on at all times if they wish.)
*

[BobnBev]

Sweaty hats, maybe.

See how misspelling a word can change the whole meaning
of a post?

And they said spelling doesn't matter.:rolleyes:

[Suzi]

I've never been fond of men or women wearing hats at meals. Raising sons, I learned to pick my battles, so I gave up for meals at home (especially grabbing lunch). But insisted, hats off at restaurants (McDonalds didn't count). The younger generation doesn't seem to adhere to the same norms we did, but thats probably our own fault because we didn't force the issues like our parents did. Its a new generation out there - many of us were professional women working outside the home. I'm not making excuses, but the time I was at home with my sons for meals, I rather wanted to cheerfully hear about their day than to scold them for wearing a baseball cap. I'm culpable for this hat-wearing generation.

[LI SNOWBIRD]

I take off my hat at the table when dining out. It's something I learned as a kid. It's common curtsey. I'd like to add- do not put your hat on the table. Put in your lap or a prong of your chair.

On a side note: men: take off your hat when the US flag passes during a parade. It's something we all should have learned but forget to do.

[perrjojo]

It's true wearing a hat at a meal is uncouth but then so is wadding your napkin and tossing it on the table, putting elbows on the table, talking while chewing, ad infinitum but I was not appointed the manners police. It is also quite rude to comment on others bad manners. Also customs do change over time even if we don't like it.

[gustavo]

This is from the Emily Post Institute:

Men – Hats can be left on…
Outdoors
At athletic events (indoors or out)
On public transportation
In public buildings such as post offices, airports,* and hotel or office lobbies
On elevators

Men – Take hats off, including baseball caps …
In someone's home
At mealtimes, at the table
While being introduced, indoors or out (unless it's frigid!)
In a house of worship, unless a hat or head covering is required
Indoors at work, especially in an office (unless required for the job)
In public buildings such as a school, library, courthouse, or town hall
In restaurants and coffee shops
At a movie or any indoor performance
When the national anthem is played
When the flag of the United States passes by, as in a parade

Women – Fashion hats (not baseball-style caps) can be left on…
In someone's home
At luncheons, weddings, garden parties
At religious services
At a movie or any indoor performance
When the national anthem is played
When the flag of the United States passes by, as in a parade

Women — Take your fashion hat off…
Anytime it blocks someone's view, such as at a wedding or in a theater
Indoors at work
Women — Remove baseball-style (unisex) caps…
In someone's home
At mealtimes, at the table
While being introduced
In a house of worship, unless a hat or head covering is required
Indoors at work, unless required for the job
In public buildings such as a school, library, courthouse, or town hall
In restaurants and coffee shops
At a movie or any indoor performance
When the national anthem is played
When the flag of the United States passes by, as in a parade
*

*

(Cancer patients are exempt from hat rules. They may keep their hats or caps on at all times if they wish.)
*

Emily who??

A lot of dinosaurs here worrying about something that they have no business worrying about. MYOB. If someone wants to wear a hat and it isn't in my face, I could care less. Now let's talk about the choking perfume the so called people with manners waft into the restaurants. I can't even breath sometimes, but they're not wearing a hat so I guess everything is great, according to Emily.

[CFrance]

Emily who??

A lot of dinosaurs here worrying about something that they have no business worrying about. MYOB. If someone wants to wear a hat and it isn't in my face, I could care less. Now let's talk about the choking perfume the so called people with manners waft into the restaurants. I can't even breath sometimes, but they're not wearing a hat so I guess everything is great, according to Emily.

It's not a worry; it's a complaint. Unless the OP went up to the hat wearer and got in his face, then she was minding her own business. She's entitled to her opinion and the expression of that opinion.

And perfume and hat wearing in restaurants are the same thing--rude. It's also rude to refer to someone as a dinosaur. And that's my opinion.

[perrjojo]

A letter to the Sun today complained about men not being gentlemen when wearing dirty hats while dining in restaurants. But suppose their religion has a tradition of head coverings, or maybe they were Texans? Lets accept those hat guys just like we accept our clowns when dining in their costumes, as long as their group ate quietly.

BTW, I'm certain you must have been joking when saying,"maybe they were Texans", because Texas gentlemen know when to remove their hats.

[Taltarzac725]

Should I Take My Hat Off at a Restaurant? - Table Manners - Food News (http://www.chow.com/food-news/86342/should-i-take-my-hat-off-at-a-restaurant/)

I may wear a hat at a restaurant like Burger King or Crispers but would probably take it off at a local Villages country club or at Bonefish Grill.

Personally, if a man or woman had dirty hair, dandruff or some other hair problem maybe it is better if they leave the hat on their heads.

[DAWN MARIE]

I think this whole conversation is just plain silly. So many other things to be worried about and wearing a hat at a restaurant shouldn't be one of them. Like some said, it might actually be cleanlier to keep it on their heads than to take them off. I'm much more offended to hear rude, loud, profane obnoxious people than I am to see a sweet old man in a baseball cap. Good grief!!!!!

[karostay]

Wow - this could get as interesting as a dog poop thread. Do you really care if someone has his hat on in a restaurant if they are not sitting with you???:agree::agree::agree::agree:

[jhrc4]

As a guy I seldom wear a hat and see plenty of men wearing hats at various Restaurants here in the Villages and elsewhere. The ladies on the other hand 98% are dressed really nice, even when they are escorted by a man/guy wearing a Baseball Cap, while eating.

The guy.... totally clueless, and has no idea regarding table manners. This thread will not change the person(s) but if it makes a few guys think hmmmm, maybe just maybe it will be a wakeup call.. Remove Your Hat Guys .. It's polite and respectful. Besides who wants to look like a slob.

[e-flyer]

I'd rather look at someone with a baseball hat on than listen to the tables nearby who think they are the only people in the restaurant, talk about manners. We have had several meals ruined lately by continuous extreme outburst that made lots of folks turn and and stare. It may be proper manners to remove your hat, but I've got better things to worry about. Life's too short to sweat the small stuff. Get over it folks!

[2BNTV]

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

In honor of Bill, from Bill-Brillo.

[SouthOfTheBorder]

As a guy I seldom wear a hat and see plenty of men wearing hats at various Restaurants here in the Villages and elsewhere. The ladies on the other hand 98% are dressed really nice, even when they are escorted by a man/guy wearing a Baseball Cap, while eating.

The guy.... totally clueless, and has no idea regarding table manners. This thread will not change the person(s) but if it makes a few guys think hmmmm, maybe just maybe it will be a wakeup call.. Remove Your Hat Guys .. It's polite and respectful. Besides who wants to look like a slob.

REALLY???

Just when I think I lived long enough to not be surprised how judgmental many people can be, I find myself surprised again.

Surely there are more important things to champion during our short lives than when and where someone wears a hat.

We all have our opinions and sharing those opinions can make good, interesting and though provoking conversation. For me, it is hard maintain a level of respect for someone when their paint brush of personal opinions becomes too wide and begins to lecture, label and categorize people because they don't meet that someone's expected standards. Especially when those standards based upon personal beliefs.

There sure is a lot of painting going on in this thread.

It seems like getting old should make the roads we travel even wider, not more narrow.

Regards,
Don

[The Great Fumar]

Fumar! So happy to hear from you!

Would this be OK in restaurants then? :laugh:

p.s. Just kidding, everyone, just kidding! Fumar LOVES dogs so much!!

Only on the menu my dear, I will have to admit that's a cute pic. Ha,ha, mouse with a hat....

Rolaid fumar...:icon_hungry:

[The Great Fumar]

I kept my steel pot on while in the chow line....
I've got a dollar that says you weren't in the mess hall ...:icon_hungry:

fumar ...:ohdear:

[Bigben007]

Have you seen some of the outfits on the golf course? Apparently dress code is not enforced.

[elizabeth52]

Emily who??

A lot of dinosaurs here worrying about something that they have no business worrying about. MYOB. If someone wants to wear a hat and it isn't in my face, I could care less. Now let's talk about the choking perfume the so called people with manners waft into the restaurants. I can't even breath sometimes, but they're not wearing a hat so I guess everything is great, according to Emily.

Hmmm, you may be right. I might be a dinosaur as I do have a pretty thick skin and am not easily offended. I was taught that the reason for good manners was not to make others uncomfortable; and not to embarrass yourself or others. Good manners are not laws or requirements, just common courtesy.

Emily would not embarrass the perfume wearer, but she would not consider it polite if it was overwhelming to others. ;)

[mulligan]

Have you seen some of the outfits on the golf course? Apparently dress code is not enforced.

yes, it is

[PaPaLarry]

I have a friend of mine, who had a stroke, and had surgery on his skull, and the bone was just put back onto his skull. He's embarrassed to take his hat off!! So there has to be some le-ways, without knowing why he is wearing hat. Agree?

[BarryRX]

There was a time not so long ago when it was considered bad manners to eat dinner without a jacket and tie. If we can agree that wearing a dirty, sweat stained hat to a restaurant is no different than wearing a dirty, sweat stained shirt to a restaurant (both are very wrong) then we get get to the issue of wearing a clean hat indoors. I was trained by being made to do many push-ups that one takes ones hat off when inside. But if others don't, I don't consider it another sign that the world is ending. I am one of those that think the woman's liberation movement of the 1960's not only freed women, but freed us all! So, outdated social mores that make it ok for a woman to sit at a restaurant with her hat on, but label the guy sitting next to her as uncouth for wearing a hat just don't make sense to me.

[elizabeth52]

I have a friend of mine, who had a stroke, and had surgery on his skull, and the bone was just put back onto his skull. He's embarrassed to take his hat off!! So there has to be some le-ways, without knowing why he is wearing hat. Agree?

Absolutely agree!

[TheVillageChicken]

Next time I eat at a truck stop, I shall demand that everyone uncover immediately. If there is any confusion, I shall quote Emily Post.

[NECHFalcon68]

I've got a dollar that says you weren't in the mess hall ...:icon_hungry:

fumar ...:ohdear:

Depends on your definition of mess hall....I was referring to the chow line alongside the deuce and a half....so the mess hall was a nearby stack of sandbags...
Just trying to inject a little humor.

[keithwand]

12 of us had breakfast at Son Rise Cafe after golf and those that had worn caps golfing kept them on.
Believe me we look better with caps on rather than a bunch of hat hair.
Having read this before today I looked around and saw a lot of caps.
I do agree a better restaurant like Bonefish, Palmer etc. I would not wear a cap.
How about the wife beater shirts some wear out in public?

[Happinow]

It is nice to see "gentleman" take their hats off in a restaurant. However, I think this respectful act has gone put the window......kinda like blowing your nose at the table. That use to be taboo too.

[Halle]

It is nice to see "gentleman" take their hats off in a restaurant. However, I think this respectful act has gone put the window......kinda like blowing your nose at the table. That use to be taboo too.

Ewww that makes me lose my appetite and my lunch.:o

It would be nice if they would excuse themselves and go to the restroom to blow their nose.

I know, I know this is the new norm just wishful thinking.

[karostay]

I find hats in restaurants less obtrusive than cell phone conversations while I'm dining

[graciegirl]

Hats on in a restaurant are better than thinly veiled meanness anywhere.


Good manners are only the use of kindness written down.


Most of us don't need to read Emily Post and things have changed a bit since our mom's taught us how to act in public. But sadly you can't make rules to make people nice in their hearts.

[justjim]

It's been about 8 years since I played a round of golf at Bay Hill. Arnie requires you to remove your hat indoors there----and you were told to do so if you didn't. Those were Arnie's rules.

As a kid I rarely wore a hat unless playing ball. I should have been more careful about the sun and I wouldn't have to see a dermatologist as often.

IMHO gentlemen take off their hats while indoors. That's what father said and father knows best!

I agree with the post regarding loud mouth people in a restaurant----they disturb my peace more that someone wearing a hat or cap.

[ping]

A real gentlemen never keeps his hat on inside a building. It might be old fashion, but good manners never go out of style. Unfortunately, the younger generation never were taught this nor was it ever enforced. Growing up, I removed my sons hat many a time until he knew enough to remove it himself.

[oldyeller]

I apologize, it was me but I was in a pinch and the removal of my hat may have been more insulting than the hat itself. For the most part I agree with you, men should remove their hats while dining out however we have to remember this is a golfing community and a lot of us come from the course directly to the CC for dinner or drinks and for the most part it is very warm here in Central Fl which causes some of us to perspire profusely which results in some very unappealing hairdos. I for one usually keep a hair brush in my car for just such a occasion but have as yet to acquire a brush for my golf cart (its on order). Even with the brush the hair can be less than appealing. So its a conundrum, a dichotomy, hat on insulting, hat off grotesque! What about that dog poop thing now that's a problem.

[jbdlfan]

A real gentlemen never keeps his hat on inside a building. It might be old fashion, but good manners never go out of style. Unfortunately, the younger generation never were taught this nor was it ever enforced. Growing up, I removed my sons hat many a time until he knew enough to remove it himself.

Please don't blame the "younger generation" for this issue. I sat at Glenview tonight and watched at least a half-dozen seasoned" men eat with their hats on. I also noticed some who removed their hats. Maybe it's a regional issue? But don't think younger people have cornered the market on rudeness, it's prevalent across the age spectrum.

[Tweety Bird]

Ewww that makes me lose my appetite and my lunch.:o

It would be nice if they would excuse themselves and go to the restroom to blow their nose.

I know, I know this is the new norm just wishful thinking.

Blowing your nose is no problem for me, except for the ones that are loud, juicy honkers.

[travelguy]

it takes a certain lack of class not to know how to dress for particular venues, and occasions. a tank top with exposed hairy armpits and chest hair is not something that i find remotely appetizing when dining at a non-fast food restaurant. (think Mezza Luna, yes, it happened to me). going to church in shorts, tshirts with inappropriate sayings, and please....wear some underwear under your sweatpants.

[Topspinmo]

How about some of these rugs:boxing2: (Toupee's) I mean holly molly I rather look at Hat! After all the rugs are head gear for the model T's trying to be 40 fords;).

[blueeagle65]

Gentlemen don't wear hats indoors (religions excluded). :ho:

[gatherer47]

I agree with RcMoser about the bad rugs.I'd much rather see a guy wear a hat than these bird's nests guys wear on their heads.Whenever I see a guy with a bad toupee I say "nice hair,too bad it's not his."

[jalopy54]

I think it is fine to wear a hat/cap to restaurants. We do live in a Golfing community. We all the other activities also. I had rather see them on heads than see hair sticky up!

[Parker]

As long as the hat is clean and doesn't obstruct my view, it doesn't bother me at all. Standards change all the time, and I think this one is changing. Now, the underwear display, or the bottom crack display bothers me A LOT. That standard should never change. How I miss a well-fitting belt.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

It's always been a pet peeve of mine seeing grown men wearing hats while dining in restaurants. It seems that we've adopted the non manners of the younger generation.

When I was a kid we were taught to take our hat off when entering a building. Where did that go?

I suppose it's just part of the decline of civilization.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

As long as the hat is clean and doesn't obstruct my view, it doesn't bother me at all. Standards change all the time, and I think this one is changing. Now, the underwear display, or the bottom crack display bothers me A LOT. That standard should never change. How I miss a well-fitting belt.

This post demonstrates the real problem. It's the slow erosion of our niceties. Your opinion is that the display of underwear and the bottom crack standard should never change. Some people feel that it is cool. It's entirely possible that the standard will change some day and the showing of butt cracks will be common place. What's next after that?

[karostay]

But Crack now there's an a-s toot observation

[Parker]

This post demonstrates the real problem. It's the slow erosion of our niceties. Your opinion is that the display of underwear and the bottom crack standard should never change. Some people feel that it is cool. It's entirely possible that the standard will change some day and the showing of butt cracks will be common place. What's next after that?

You are quite right Doctor. I should have clarified that my own personal standards should, in a perfect world, set the national standards. If only I were running everything, all would be well. For me anyway.

And having said all this, let me also say how much I do so appreciate when I see a gentlemen remove his hat out of deference to others for any reason.

[graciegirl]

You are quite right Doctor. I should have clarified that my own personal standards should, in a perfect world, set the national standards. If only I were running everything, all would be well. For me anyway.

And having said all this, let me also say how much I do so appreciate when I see a gentlemen remove his hat out of deference to others for any reason.



I love this discussion of nice people discussing nice things. BUT, I want to go on record that one day you will see my mug shot for going up to one of those teens with his danged pants at half mast and pulling them all of the rest of the way down. Then I am going to run like crazy.


Well, walk real fast.

[justjim]

I love this discussion of nice people discussing nice things. BUT, I want to go on record that one day you will see my mug shot for going up to one of those teens with his danged pants at half mast and pulling them all of the rest of the way down. Then I am going to run like crazy.


Well, walk real fast.

:coolsmiley: I believe you!

[Parker]

Problem is, half-masters would like having their pants pulled down. Now if you pulled them UP, my dear mischievous Gracie, you would truly offend the miscreant.

[CFrance]

I love this discussion of nice people discussing nice things. BUT, I want to go on record that one day you will see my mug shot for going up to one of those teens with his danged pants at half mast and pulling them all of the rest of the way down. Then I am going to run like crazy.


Well, walk real fast.

Take your time. If he comes after you, he'll trip.

[karostay]

All this meaningless :cryin2:about hats in restaurants
Isn't there bigger fish to fry

[jhrc4]

Look it is common courtesy and pretty much SOP for men not to wear a hat while dining out . A bar/saloon sure why not. I have noticed men in a Restaurant with there well dressed lady wearing a Baseball Hat usually with layers of filthy sweat marks, also sometimes with the hat on backwards.

Something I never quite understood with the hat on backwards, I guess it goes with head on backwards. Toss the hat in the washing machine once in awhile with 4-5 cups of Tide, and heck add some disinfectant along with it.

Pretty gross, those who support this sort of dress manner are obviously not clued in on proper etiquette. Take off the hat, open the door for the lady, and while your at pull our the chair for her as well.

[looneycat]

Yes, if it's "Louie The Hat". That thing must have been filled with germs as wore it 365 days a year. Did you ever see a baseball players cap that wasn't washed in four months. Ewwwwwwwwwwwww!!!!!!!!!

I'm sorry but if you remove the hat from your head it is still in the restaurant with you. I find it extremely rude for people to insist that someone else remove their hat, if they just came from playing what about their stinky shirt, shoe and shorts, hmmm?barf

[looneycat]

Look it is common courtesy and pretty much SOP for men not to wear a hat while dining out . A bar/saloon sure why not. I have noticed men in a Restaurant with there well dressed lady wearing a Baseball Hat usually with layers of filthy sweat marks, also sometimes with the hat on backwards.

Something I never quite understood with the hat on backwards, I guess it goes with head on backwards. Toss the hat in the washing machine once in awhile with 4-5 cups of Tide, and heck add some disinfectant along with it.

Pretty gross, those who support this sort of dress manner are obviously not clued in on proper etiquette. Take off the hat, open the door for the lady, and while your at pull our the chair for her as well.

thanks for the etiquette lesson, I am one of those guys who wears his hat in casual restaurants, why?, due to the total incompetence I encountered at advanced dermatology here in the villages, I have a large scar on my head that if shown could scare small children and pets. If someone asked me to remove my hat I would loudly and definitely tell them I appreciate the advice and that they should be fruitful and multiply unto themself, but not in those words!

[jhrc4]

thanks for the etiquette lesson, I am one of those guys who wears his hat in casual restaurants, why?, due to the total incompetence I encountered at advanced dermatology here in the villages, I have a large scar on my head that if shown could scare small children and pets. If someone asked me to remove my hat I would loudly and definitely tell them I appreciate the advice and that they should be fruitful and multiply unto themself, but not in those words!

The newspaper article quite obviously was, and certainly not aimed at individuals like yourself or indeed have an ongoing medical condition. There are and always will be an exception, the article clearly was written in a broad sense.

The original post was simply asking for opinions on this article which again was broadly written and not in any way aimed at those exceptions that I mentioned at least that is the way I read it.

[looneycat]

The original post was simply asking for opinions on this article which again was broadly written and not in any way aimed at those exceptions that I mentioned at least that is the way I read it.

in the broad sense a short sleeved golf shirt is not proper dining room wear nor are shorts or sneakers but we have adapted to the current styles and allow these. Those that insist on silly ideals that came from an era that didn't acknowledge casual dining (an age that DID see men come to the dining table in suspenders and tee shirts) are pining for an ideal used to make certain classes feel superior.

[graciegirl]

Am I the only one that remembers this poem from grade school. It is still a great one.


1694. The Flag Goes By By Henry Holcomb Bennett HATS off!Along the street there comesA blare of bugles, a ruffle of drums,A flash of color beneath the sky:Hats off! 5The flag is passing by! Blue and crimson and white it shines,Over the steel-tipped, ordered lines.Hats off!The colors before us fly; 10But more than the flag is passing by. Sea-fights and land-fights, grim and great,Fought to make and to save the State:Weary marches and sinking ships;Cheers of victory on dying lips; 15 Days of plenty and years of peace;March of a strong land’s swift increase;Equal justice, right and law,Stately honor and reverend awe; Sign of a nation, great and strong 20To ward her people from foreign wrong:Pride and glory and honor,—allLive in the colors to stand or fall. Hats off!Along the street there comes 25A blare of bugles, a ruffle of drums;And loyal hearts are beating high:Hats off!The flag is passing by!

[NoMoSno]

Toss the hat in the washing machine once in awhile with 4-5 cups of Tide, and heck add some disinfectant along with it.


Unfortunately most hats have a cardboard bill that doesn't hold up well in the wash...I've tried...

[looneycat]

Am I the only one that remembers this poem from grade school. It is still a great one.


1694. The Flag Goes By By Henry Holcomb Bennett HATS off!Along the street there comesA blare of bugles, a ruffle of drums,A flash of color beneath the sky:Hats off! 5The flag is passing by! Blue and crimson and white it shines,Over the steel-tipped, ordered lines.Hats off!The colors before us fly; 10But more than the flag is passing by. Sea-fights and land-fights, grim and great,Fought to make and to save the State:Weary marches and sinking ships;Cheers of victory on dying lips; 15 Days of plenty and years of peace;March of a strong land’s swift increase;Equal justice, right and law,Stately honor and reverend awe; Sign of a nation, great and strong 20To ward her people from foreign wrong:Pride and glory and honor,—allLive in the colors to stand or fall. Hats off!Along the street there comes 25A blare of bugles, a ruffle of drums;And loyal hearts are beating high:Hats off!The flag is passing by!

my hat will always be over my heart for my flag but not for food:icon_wink:

[perrjojo]

Unfortunately most hats have a cardboard bill that doesn't hold up well in the wash...I've tried...

Did you know that you can wash your hat on the top rack of the dish washer with no damage? Really, it works.

[NoMoSno]

Did you know that you can wash your hat on the top rack of the dish washer with no damage? Really, it works.

Thanks for the tip!

[jhrc4]

[QUOTE=looneycat;830480]in the broad sense a short sleeved golf shirt is not proper dining room wear nor are shorts or sneakers but we have adapted to the current styles and allow these. Those that insist on silly ideals that came from an era that didn't acknowledge casual dining (an age that DID see men come to the dining table in suspenders and tee shirts) are pining for an ideal used to make certain classes feel superior.

[B]This obviously is really not worth responding to .

[looneycat]

[QUOTE=looneycat;830480]in the broad sense a short sleeved golf shirt is not proper dining room wear nor are shorts or sneakers but we have adapted to the current styles and allow these. Those that insist on silly ideals that came from an era that didn't acknowledge casual dining (an age that DID see men come to the dining table in suspenders and tee shirts) are pining for an ideal used to make certain classes feel superior.

[B]This obviously is really not worth responding to .

nor is this....

[graciegirl]

It IS a beautiful day in The Villages. Everyone go out and play.

[Taltarzac725]

Should I Take My Hat Off at a Restaurant? - Table Manners - Food News (http://www.chow.com/food-news/86342/should-i-take-my-hat-off-at-a-restaurant/)

I may wear a hat at a restaurant like Burger King or Crispers but would probably take it off at a local Villages country club or at Bonefish Grill.

Personally, if a man or woman had dirty hair, dandruff or some other hair problem maybe it is better if they leave the hat on their heads.

Kept my baseball cap at home yesterday when getting a 2-24 birthday dinner at Bonefish Grill. They were out of my favorite though-- mahi mahi. So, I had to settle for trout which was good. They do have good food and it shows from the usual crowds that are there. Turned 55 yesterday. I did not notice anyone else-- men or women-- wearing any kind of hat wear but I saw at least one cowboy hat near a man's feet.

We only had a little birthday celebration and I did feel kind of naked without the baseball cap.

Wondering about the outside portion of Bonefish Grill on CR466? What are those large lamp like things outside along some of the tables. Heaters? I saw one person eating outside. She had a hat of some kind but she was outside. It had looked like it was going to rain when we arrived there around 6:13 for our 6:15 P.M. dinner reservations.

I was the designated driver. No big deal as I have never been much of a drinker having not imbibed all that much since drinking to a small extent while partying with other MA students at the University of Denver Graduate School of Librarianship and Information Management as well as later with law students at the University of Minnesota Law School. I remember a band from the University of Minnesota Law School singing Happy Birthday to me around 2-24 in 1989. We probably still had some hats along but these probably were facemasks as the Twin Cities can be extremely frigid in February.

I do not have to worry that much about dandruff as I it is a lot easier to clean with a lot less hair in the way. That's another reason why I like to wear a baseball cap. I miss my hair!

[PaPaLarry]

Did you know that you can wash your hat on the top rack of the dish washer with no damage? Really, it works.
That's how I always wash my hats. Put in about 5 hats at a time, and go through the whole wash cycle. They come out really nice, and dry nice in garage on a hook.

[Wandatime]

Ya'll are something else this morning! So far I've seen grumps and gripes about men wearing hats in restaurants, dogs drinking from water fountains, dogs in restaurants, kids driving golf carts, women wearing too much perfume, etc. etc. I swear, I am changing my name to Glitter and Rainbows because life is way too short for me to get my knickers in a twist over silly stuff. You live in The Villages! Go outside and play for cryin' out loud! Unless they are actually physically harming you in some way, no matter how uncouth, ill-mannered, stinky, or ugly they are, what other people do is none of your business. Too go on and on and on about it just makes you seem like the old persnickity person no one wants to be around.

And believe me, I'm carefully studying the pictures of some of you :)

[Golfingnut]

Ya'll are something else this morning! So far I've seen grumps and gripes about men wearing hats in restaurants, dogs drinking from water fountains, dogs in restaurants, kids driving golf carts, women wearing too much perfume, etc. etc. I swear, I am changing my name to Glitter and Rainbows because life is way too short for me to get my knickers in a twist over silly stuff. You live in The Villages! Go outside and play for cryin' out loud! Unless they are actually physically harming you in some way, no matter how uncouth, ill-mannered, stinky, or ugly they are, what other people do is none of your business. Too go on and on and on about it just makes you seem like the old persnickity person no one wants to be around. And believe me, I'm carefully studying the pictures of some of you :D

LOL but yes, your right. I have started happy hours at our pool bar. It's what I like so I do it a lot.

:beer3:

[gerryann]

Ya'll are something else this morning! So far I've seen grumps and gripes about men wearing hats in restaurants, dogs drinking from water fountains, dogs in restaurants, kids driving golf carts, women wearing too much perfume, etc. etc. I swear, I am changing my name to Glitter and Rainbows because life is way too short for me to get my knickers in a twist over silly stuff. You live in The Villages! Go outside and play for cryin' out loud! Unless they are actually physically harming you in some way, no matter how uncouth, ill-mannered, stinky, or ugly they are, what other people do is none of your business. Too go on and on and on about it just makes you seem like the old persnickity person no one wants to be around. And believe me, I'm carefully studying the pictures of some of you :D

If you dig up threads from months ago, you will find a lot of negativity. Stick with today....don't see much complaining going on today. Don't look for negatives, there's so many good people here, good ideas and much happiness....it's all how you look at it. Look at the good :)

[CFrance]

If you dig up threads from months ago, you will find a lot of negativity. Stick with today....don't see much complaining going on today. Don't look for negatives, there's so many good people here, good ideas and much happiness....it's all how you look at it. Look at the good :)
Not only that... TOTV is the place for opinions and debate and, yes, sometimes bickering. If all the members put their gripes in their back pocket, it would become quite boring around here.

If you think we're bad, go over and take a look at Topix!

[Mr Hanky]

The bugs will jump out of his hat if he takes it off!

[Wandatime]

Hey, thanks you guys, because of gerryann's post I got curious and just figured out how to look at "today's posts." Yippee! And yes, I agree everyone is entitled to an opinion, I guess I just got a little overwhelmed by reading all the posts on a couple of threads. From what I am seeing on Talk of the Villages, you all are NOT boring, that is for sure! Some of the complaints actually made me laugh out loud.

[tippyclubb]

Ya'll are something else this morning! So far I've seen grumps and gripes about men wearing hats in restaurants, dogs drinking from water fountains, dogs in restaurants, kids driving golf carts, women wearing too much perfume, etc. etc. I swear, I am changing my name to Glitter and Rainbows because life is way too short for me to get my knickers in a twist over silly stuff. You live in The Villages! Go outside and play for cryin' out loud! Unless they are actually physically harming you in some way, no matter how uncouth, ill-mannered, stinky, or ugly they are, what other people do is none of your business. Too go on and on and on about it just makes you seem like the old persnickity person no one wants to be around.

And believe me, I'm carefully studying the pictures of some of you :)


Yep, yep I agree. Your on my list of people to meet when we arrive in September. Study our picture and when you see us come say hello!

[gerryann]

Hey, thanks you guys, because of gerryann's post I got curious and just figured out how to look at "today's posts." Yippee! And yes, I agree everyone is entitled to an opinion, I guess I just got a little overwhelmed by reading all the posts on a couple of threads. From what I am seeing on Talk of the Villages, you all are NOT boring, that is for sure! Some of the complaints actually made me laugh out loud.

Most are very lighthearted. A lot of tongue in cheek. Nothing earth shattering. I think we are all friends. If anything does get out of hand, we are deleted (our post, not us) :D

[perrjojo]

Ya'll are something else this morning! So far I've seen grumps and gripes about men wearing hats in restaurants, dogs drinking from water fountains, dogs in restaurants, kids driving golf carts, women wearing too much perfume, etc. etc. I swear, I am changing my name to Glitter and Rainbows because life is way too short for me to get my knickers in a twist over silly stuff. You live in The Villages! Go outside and play for cryin' out loud! Unless they are actually physically harming you in some way, no matter how uncouth, ill-mannered, stinky, or ugly they are, what other people do is none of your business. Too go on and on and on about it just makes you seem like the old persnickity person no one wants to be around.

And believe me, I'm carefully studying the pictures of some of you :)

Ya'll are something else? Who are Ya'll? Saying that sounds a lot like ..you people. It infers superiority. Btw, I am a Southern girl and love hearing someone say Ya'll. Yes, there are a few old curmudgeons here but we are mostly fun loving, positive people. Most of us do get out in the sunshine, play and have a little fun. We also get out in the moonlight and have a little more fun. Welcome to TV and don't take TOTV too serious.

[graciegirl]

Yes, there are a few old curmudgeons here but we are mostly fun loving, positive people. Most of us do get out in the sunshine, play and have a little fun. We also get out in the moonlight and have a little more fun. Welcome to TV and don't take TOTV too serious.


What she said. Hang on Wanda, it is always a bit crazy around here. We ain't none of us dead yet.

[Patty55]

I haven't read this entire thread, frankly my time is way too valuable for such drivel.

I do have a quick question. Is it proper to wear a hat in a restaurant if we're seated outside? My dogs all have hats, but Lord knows I don't risk the FAUX PAS police hunting us down.

[LndLocked]

6000+ views & 110+ posts on hats in restaurants!?!??!?!?!?!?!?

seriously????