They said they were "bored".

[graciegirl]

Four Weirsdale adults have been arrested by Marion County Sheriff’s Office detectives in connection with a spree of BB gun shootings.
The four suspects are accused of shooting and damaging 55 vehicles and a window at a U.S. Post Office. Early estimates put the damage at more than $22,000.
Those arrested are:
• 20-year-old Austin Terrence Fagan
• 18-year-old Shane Allan Partain
• 22-year-old Kameron Colby Cole
• 18-year-old Kaitlin Alexis Prusansky

[Jayhawk]

Four Weirsdale PUNKS have been arrested by Marion County Sheriff’s Office detectives in connection with a spree of BB gun shootings.
The four USELSSS PUNKS are accused of shooting and damaging 55 vehicles and a window at a U.S. Post Office. Early estimates put the damage at more than $22,000.
Those arrested are:
• 20-year-old Austin Terrence Fagan
• 18-year-old Shane Allan Partain
• 22-year-old Kameron Colby Cole
• 18-year-old Kaitlin Alexis Prusansky[/quote]


GG, I thought your post was, like the guy says on the radio "almost perfect, almost perfect, almost perfect". So I fixed it. They don't deserve the word "adults" .

They thought they were bored before. Let's see what a little time in the joint does for them.



:swear:

[DonH57]

Does Florida have road clean up details for temporary jail residents? That will fix their boredom problem.

[gerryann]

Four Weirsdale adults have been arrested by Marion County Sheriff’s Office detectives in connection with a spree of BB gun shootings.
The four suspects are accused of shooting and damaging 55 vehicles and a window at a U.S. Post Office. Early estimates put the damage at more than $22,000.
Those arrested are:
• 20-year-old Austin Terrence Fagan
• 18-year-old Shane Allan Partain
• 22-year-old Kameron Colby Cole
• 18-year-old Kaitlin Alexis Prusansky

How'd ya like to be these kids parents? Yes, punks they are!

[Hancle704]

Marion County Sheriff has a working farm east of Ocala staffed by County inmates. Would be a good place for these young folks to work to earn enough to pay for the damage they caused. Guarantee they would not be bored. Wonder if damage to Post Office is a Federal Offense? If so, maybe a federal vacation is in store for these young adults.

[tommy steam]

Four Weirsdale adults have been arrested by Marion County Sheriff’s Office detectives in connection with a spree of BB gun shootings.
The four suspects are accused of shooting and damaging 55 vehicles and a window at a U.S. Post Office. Early estimates put the damage at more than $22,000.
Those arrested are:
• 20-year-old Austin Terrence Fagan
• 18-year-old Shane Allan Partain
• 22-year-old Kameron Colby Cole
• 18-year-old Kaitlin Alexis Prusansky

I for one would like to see their mug shots posted in the Sun.

[MikeV]

Hopefully this will deter any other bored "adults" from doing something similar.

[Down Sized]

I bet you'll be surprised how easy they get off with a hand slap!

[JBarracks]

Bored? They could have joined the military for an adventure.

[Parker]

Their parents must be so proud.

[Golfingnut]

I would like to see the media offer a good deed story with the negative. There is far more good being done than bad. Only bad news confuses simple minds into believing the world is going to ---- in a handbag, and the truth is, it's not. I hope to live long enough to see the next generation come I into power and improve this world. It's getting better all the time, so please find accurate sources of news and stay away from the cable TV doomsday channels.

[graciegirl]

I would like to see the media offer a good deed story with the negative. There is far more good being done than bad. Only bad news confuses simple minds into believing the world is going to ---- in a handbag, and the truth is, it's not. I hope to live long enough to see the next generation come I into power and improve this world. It's getting better all the time, so please find accurate sources of news and stay away from the cable TV doomsday channels.



I am not sure what you mean, but these kids do NOT seem to be improving the world. Most of us raised our kids so that they would NEVER have even THOUGHT about doing something like that. I am NOT sure what would have happened to me, but I still shudder to think about it.


If my kids said they were bored, I set them to cleaning around the toilet.


My children and grandchildren informed me two thanksgivings ago that they had collectively decided what should go on my tombstone.


Here It is;


"She'd kick your ass if she thought you needed it." :22yikes:

[Taltarzac725]

I am not sure what you mean, but these kids do NOT seem to be improving the world. Most of us raised our kids so that they would NEVER have even THOUGHT about doing something like that. I am NOT sure what would have happened to me, but I still shudder to think about it.


If my kids said they were bored, I set them to cleaning around the toilet.


My children and grandchildren informed me two thanksgivings ago that they had collectively decided what should go on my tombstone.


Here It is;


"She'd kick your ass if she thought you needed it." :22yikes:

I did some stupid things as a teen but you would think that some people would grow out of these kind of simple minded plans for adventure. Guess these "adults" have a lot of growing up to do.

[perrjojo]

I would like to see the media offer a good deed story with the negative. There is far more good being done than bad. Only bad news confuses simple minds into believing the world is going to ---- in a handbag, and the truth is, it's not. I hope to live long enough to see the next generation come I into power and improve this world. It's getting better all the time, so please find accurate sources of news and stay away from the cable TV doomsday channels.


And then there are those who complain about The Happy Paper.

[PennBF]

Before the gang throws a rope around the limb and starts to hang them it would be right to remember there are 2 18 year olds who at that age are still in their diapers mentally. When I was a Senior in school a couple of kids took BB Guns and blew out a couple of lamps on a bridge. Probably they were also bored. One grew up and became a very famous Attorney and the other an Executive in a major corporation. They were about 16-17 at the time and yes they were awfully wrong. I will not go into their personal lives. They were punished and learned their lessons. I just don't think it is right to hang a couple of 18 year old's who are not old enought to smoke or drink and hang them for this terrible act of vandals. Punish them YES, suggest their crime rises to the level of a true sociopath. NO..The old saying is appropriate: "There but for the grace of god go my 2 18 year olds.".I am lucky and have great children but stop short in suggesting we hang others. :mornincoffee:

[Bay Kid]

What will this world we live in be like in another 20 to 50 years? Bored? Always wanting someone else to take care of them, not working. When the next few generations are gone who will be responsible? Lost are the values that were taught by our past generations. The best rule I taught my children was "to do unto others as you would have them do unto you".

[gomoho]

Before the gang throws a rope around the limb and starts to hang them it would be right to remember there are 2 18 year olds who at that age are still in their diapers mentally. When I was a Senior in school a couple of kids took BB Guns and blew out a couple of lamps on a bridge. Probably they were also bored. One grew up and became a very famous Attorney and the other an Executive in a major corporation. They were about 16-17 at the time and yes they were awfully wrong. I will not go into their personal lives. They were punished and learned their lessons. I just don't think it is right to hang a couple of 18 year old's who are not old enought to smoke or drink and hang them for this terrible act of vandals. Punish them YES, suggest their crime rises to the level of a true sociopath. NO..The old saying is appropriate: "There but for the grace of god go my 2 18 year olds.".I am lucky and have great children but stop short in suggesting we hang others. :mornincoffee:

Thank you for your thought provoking post - I have walked in those shoes as a parent and can also say we got through it and now have successful adults for children. There with the Grace of God went I.

[graciegirl]

When we grew up you were expected to take care of yourself at eighteen.


I think that if you are doing things like this at eighteen, you are in deep do do. Most of your attitudes and values are formed way before eighteen.


Shooting out a light and shooting out dozens of car windows are both wrong but one is substantially wronger and a great deal more expensive. Even if people have insurance, money is the measure of WORK.


I disagree with you PennBF. This kind of thing may NOT be murder, but it is a total disregard for the property AND FEELINGS of others and shows you have not yet learned what it is to replace yourself something that you broke and have not learned to take responsibility for your actions.


I think sympathy toward these people is entirely misplaced.


There is no doubt in my mind, we will see their pictures again.

[Cajulian]

When we grew up you were expected to take care of yourself at eighteen.


I think that if you are doing things like this at eighteen, you are in deep do do. Most of your attitudes and values are formed way before eighteen.


Shooting out a light and shooting out dozens of car windows are both wrong but one is substantially wronger and a great deal more expensive. Even if people have insurance, money is the measure of WORK.


I disagree with you PennBF. This kind of thing may NOT be murder, but it is a total disregard for the property AND FEELINGS of others and shows you have not yet learned what it is to replace yourself something that you broke and have not learned to take responsibility for your actions.


I think sympathy toward these people is entirely misplaced.


There is no doubt in my mind, we will see their pictures again.


Gracie, I have read enough of your posts to believe you are a very wise individual. I very much agree with you that these 18 to 22 year olds have formed their moral values by this age. I don't think they deserve sympathy at this time in their lives. They need firm guidance that may wake them up to the reality that they are accountable for their actions.

With that tombstone for you, I guess you got your family's attention growing up!

[JP]

I bet a lot of those people that got their car windows shot out get bored too.

I know, lets take those four "kids" cars or bikes or stereos or what ever is significant to them and give all the people that got their windows shot out BB guns and let them shoot up those "kids" stuff. That sounds like fun to me.

Then lets take those four "kids" and make them pick up trash beside the road until they have made enough money to pay all those people back for their broken windows.

Then maybe next time when those "kids" were "bored" they would think a little more about other people's property and other peoples feelings.

[justjim]

Trying to think back when I was that age. Oh, yeah I remember.

They had a program for youth that had issues like this---it was called THE DRAFT!

[Indydealmaker]

When we grew up you were expected to take care of yourself at eighteen.


I think that if you are doing things like this at eighteen, you are in deep do do. Most of your attitudes and values are formed way before eighteen.


Shooting out a light and shooting out dozens of car windows are both wrong but one is substantially wronger and a great deal more expensive. Even if people have insurance, money is the measure of WORK.


I disagree with you PennBF. This kind of thing may NOT be murder, but it is a total disregard for the property AND FEELINGS of others and shows you have not yet learned what it is to replace yourself something that you broke and have not learned to take responsibility for your actions.


I think sympathy toward these people is entirely misplaced.


There is no doubt in my mind, we will see their pictures again.

Gracie, I agree. Tolerance for this kind of behavior is unacceptable. An 18 year old is supposed to be a young adult, not a child that is still developing a sense of morals and ethics.

These days, 30 is the new 18. The lack of maturity observed today in young people of this age bracket is profoundly disappointing. I know each of us can point to exceptions to this rule, but reports of this type of behaviour are deafening.

It all comes back to one huge and common problem: poor and/or a total lack of parenting. From an early age, kids today have no boundaries. Kids grow up without having to shoulder responsibilities. Kids today attend schools that nurture "lowered standards" rather than demanding high performance.

We reap what we sow. I am glad I am old.

[PennBF]

I remember one time my son who was probably about 5-6 years old and was cutting up a little. I asked my grandfather who at the time was 98 what do you do with a child who cuts up. His answer was "he is bored, give him a job to do". This coming from a man who retired at the age of 94 and lived to be 102. I agree with the writer who said to give them a job like commuity work. That makes a lot of sense. But I honestly believe it is wrong to condem them as young sociopaths and write them off. It may be productive to reflect on your youth and what things you did which was wrong. Maybe you didn't shoot out windows of cars but it would be unique if you had been "perfect". If they are truly "bad kids" that will come out in time but I disagree with calling them names reducing them to being terrible criminals without knowing their history, their private lives, and if this was a one time act which was outside of their normal behavior and they are truly sorry they did it!! Yes, they are essentially children and do child like things at 18. Hope they will be treated kindly as you would feel if they were your children. :mornincoffee:

[rp001]

Back in the 60's I was drafted. I'm so happy as that helped straighten out my life. I served in Vietnam and wouldn't wish that on anyone, but even before that the draft was in place and does help mature a young adult. I am in favor of the draft, with absolutely no deferments. There is a place for everyone serving our country, no matter what their circumstance. "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country".

[graciegirl]

I remember one time my son who was probably about 5-6 years old and was cutting up a little. I asked my grandfather who at the time was 98 what do you do with a child who cuts up. His answer was "he is bored, give him a job to do". This coming from a man who retired at the age of 94 and lived to be 102. I agree with the writer who said to give them a job like commuity work. That makes a lot of sense. But I honestly believe it is wrong to condem them as young sociopaths and write them off. It may be productive to reflect on your youth and what things you did which was wrong. Maybe you didn't shoot out windows of cars but it would be unique if you had been "perfect". If they are truly "bad kids" that will come out in time but I disagree with calling them names reducing them to being terrible criminals without knowing their history, their private lives, and if this was a one time act which was outside of their normal behavior and they are truly sorry they did it!! Yes, they are essentially children and do child like things at 18. Hope they will be treated kindly as you would feel if they were your children. :mornincoffee:



NO ONE called them young sociopaths. Nor inferred that. But they are law breakers and do not respect the possessions of other people or value the work it takes to get them


You know right and wrong when you are eighteen. And it wasn't a one time act, it was an 100 time act. They aren't children.

I would not treat them kindly if they were my children. We started way early with the disapproval of messing with other people's stuff. WAY early. Because I KNEW in MY heart that I would always love them and wanted other people to approve of their actions who had no reason to like them.

[dillywho]

I am not sure what you mean, but these kids do NOT seem to be improving the world. Most of us raised our kids so that they would NEVER have even THOUGHT about doing something like that. I am NOT sure what would have happened to me, but I still shudder to think about it.


If my kids said they were bored, I set them to cleaning around the toilet.


My children and grandchildren informed me two thanksgivings ago that they had collectively decided what should go on my tombstone.


Here It is;


"She'd kick your ass if she thought you needed it." :22yikes:


Amen!:BigApplause::BigApplause:

[missypie]

BORED????

Get a job.

No handouts.

Where are the parents?

We own our own business, our kids started working at 13. But, they knew the value of a dollar waaaay before that.

STOP with the excuses for these bums.

[2BNTV]

Another stupid act, by young people, who were not thinking clearly.
When one becomes 18, they are responsible for their own actions and must willingly, accept that reponsibility.

If no priors, I would tend to think they would do community service, instead of jail time. I agree that most young people are not raised the way we were, as our parents were always telling us to grow up, and do the right thing ,way before eighteen. Hence, some young people don't fully mature, into their late twenties.

If they do get jail time, they will really know what it means to be bored, and restrained. What's one to do in a jail cell all day long?

Since they turned themselves in, I would tend to think they knew what they did was wrong, and are looking to face the music.

[Indydealmaker]

Another stupid act, by young people, who were not thinking clearly.
When one becomes 18, they are responsible for their own actions and must willingly, accept that reponsibility.

If no priors, I would tend to think they would do community service, instead of jail time. I agree that most young people are not raised the way we were, as our parents were always telling us to grow up, and do the right thing ,way before eighteen. Hence, some young people don't fully mature, into their late twenties.

If they do get jail time, they will really know what it means to be bored, and restrained. What's one to do in a jail cell all day long?

Since they turned themselves in, I would tend to think they knew what they did was wrong, and are looking to face the music.

The news article that I read said the sheriff's department received a tip and that detectives tracked these guys down. They did confess when interrogated.

[Topspinmo]

22= 16
20=14
18= 12

[Bonanza]

Four Weirsdale PUNKS have been arrested by Marion County Sheriff’s Office detectives in connection with a spree of BB gun shootings.
The four USELSSS PUNKS are accused of shooting and damaging 55 vehicles and a window at a U.S. Post Office. Early estimates put the damage at more than $22,000.
Those arrested are:
• 20-year-old Austin Terrence Fagan
• 18-year-old Shane Allan Partain
• 22-year-old Kameron Colby Cole
• 18-year-old Kaitlin Alexis Prusansky


GG, I thought your post was, like the guy says on the radio "almost perfect, almost perfect, almost perfect". So I fixed it. They don't deserve the word "adults" .

They thought they were bored before. Let's see what a little time in the joint does for them.

Regarding their "little time in the joint" . . . . the problem is they WON"T be bored.

Besides feeding them their three squares,
they'll probably have it better there than at home because they don't have to work,
can watch TV all day, play cards (?), etc., and
WE will be paying for them to have a "vacation!"

THAT'S what burns my hide -- that WE are the ones paying for them to be "bored!"

[Bonanza]

Does Florida have road clean up details for temporary jail residents? That will fix their boredom problem.

Unfortunately, it isn't the temps that get those "jobs."

I saw them on the road once (yes, in Florida on the west coast near Sarasota).
There were more guards and dogs than prisoners who were doing some kind of clean-up.

I question if the salaries of the guards made the process worthwhile, but then again, they didn't ask me for my opinion!

[Bonanza]

I did some stupid things as a teen but you would think that some people would grow out of these kind of simple minded plans for adventure. Guess these "adults" have a lot of growing up to do.

My crystal ball tells me that those "adults" will never grow up.

[PennBF]

It is amazing how many are always "angry" ! Comments are alway geared to being angry regardless of the circumstances. Of course I think the ones who did this should have consequenses but I don't say that from being angry and calling names but rather it should be an appropriate response for the offense and that is why we have courts. I always hoped I would not end up an "angry old man" and hopefully I am being successful. It is a shame to live in such a wonderful place and then being angry at the world. Maybe if more people realized that anger leads to a lot of medical problems while a positive attitude leads to better health both mentally and physically. Our kids are not good because of us but rather because of them. I once asked a Psychologist if didn't they feel good when they helped someone and they said "No" because they would then be responsible if they did not help them. Their (patients) results is becuse of their action. behavior, etc. and not because of the Psychologist. Keep smiling and get rid of the anger.Works same as parents. Give credit to the kid and not try to take it from them or brag over their success. :shrug:

[graciegirl]

It is amazing how many are always "angry" ! Comments are alway geared to being angry regardless of the circumstances. Of course I think the ones who did this should have consequenses but I don't say that from being angry and calling names but rather it should be an appropriate response for the offense and that is why we have courts. I always hoped I would not end up an "angry old man" and hopefully I am being successful. It is a shame to live in such a wonderful place and then being angry at the world. Maybe if more people realized that anger leads to a lot of medical problems while a positive attitude leads to better health both mentally and physically. Our kids are not good because of us but rather because of them. I once asked a Psychologist if didn't they feel good when they helped someone and they said "No" because they would then be responsible if they did not help them. Their (patients) results is becuse of their action. behavior, etc. and not because of the Psychologist. Keep smiling and get rid of the anger.Works same as parents. Give credit to the kid and not try to take it from them or brag over their success. :shrug:




WHAT??????? Not brag on our kids and grandkids success????? Parenting is a very difficult and time consuming and aggravating job, Penn.


OF course we will brag about their success.;)


Wanna see pictures?


We are waiting for the last grandchild to graduate college next year and get a job too and then we plan to live off 'em. ;)

[PennBF]

Not to get into a protrated discussion on this but just as a slight addition to my comments. (a) how many parents take responsbility when their children's behavior is not appropriate? (b) braging may be a form of hurting the parent who have children with problems and that is not fair, (c) what is right when one child in a family has problems and the other is terrific. Is it right to make the other one feel inadquate? (d) I don't recall hearing a lot of parents say, "darn I screwed up on my kids and they are not good" I recall one circumstance where we were in a group and one parent kept bragging about his/her child while the other parent had a "problem" child. It was very uncomfortable.
I really feel the child did it and not the parent. They did what their job was and they deserve all credit. We all sacrificed for out children but in the end it was their work and NOT ours. I am proud of my children but I certaintly will not try to take responsibility for their work. I did my job. It is one thing to be proud of their success and another to brag and take any credit for their success. :shrug::shrug:

[graciegirl]

I am sure you have some very good thoughts.


We were given two very different children with very different abilities and disabilities and we felt the responsibility heavily as all parents do, to try to guide them to be the very best and most independent they could be. If someone pulled our fingernails out without medication, neither of us would or could say that one was more loved or more successful than the other.


As a teacher, one of the very best parts was seeing the love in the eyes of the parents, and the concern and worry. I didn't have the parenting I was able to give and we were so very fortunate for the outcome of our children. They both had the remarkable good sense to take after their father.


In the beginning, I had very different views on parenting than I have now.


And parenting is NOT as close and hands on as it once was. People raising little ones have a much harder job than we did and the job of parenting is very, very, difficult. You have to deny things to a very loved person in order for them to grow and learn.


I feel you know I was teasing a bit in my prior post on this thread.


I also will add that what my grandparents told me is true and that not a kid in the world is cute after eight o clock at night.


AND when patience, and stamina, and teaching and yelling and reading and praying doesn't work for parents. A sense of humor helps a lot.

[PennBF]

I may not have done a good job in describing my feelings on this and the Dictionary does a much better job of describing what I was trying to say.
The Dictionary description of bragging is: (a) Pompous or boastful statement, (b) Arrogrant or talk or manner, cockiness. (c) "To talk about yourself, your achievements, your family, etc. in a way that shows too much pride." :shrug:

[buggyone]

[/CENTER]

I do not understand your post. Do you think it would be a vacation to be in the Marion County jail? Would you want to eat the food served in jail? Do you think the Marion County jail lets their prisoners watch TV all day? No!

Instead of your next cruise to the Caribbean, just ask if you can take your two week vacation in the Marion County slammer. :a20:

[Taltarzac725]

I do not understand your post. Do you think it would be a vacation to be in the Marion County jail? Would you want to eat the food served in jail? Do you think the Marion County jail lets their prisoners watch TV all day? No!

Instead of your next cruise to the Caribbean, just ask if you can take your two week vacation in the Marion County slammer. :a20:

I have heard from a very reliable source that the conditions at the Sumter County Jail are not all that pleasant especially if you have any snoring problem. I doubt if the Marion or Lake County jail conditions are any better. And remember that the meanest person in the jail probably has the remote.

[Indydealmaker]

22= 16
20=14
18= 12

Sadly, there are far too many that accept this as the new normal.:swear: