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Golfingnut
03-07-2014, 12:43 PM
I like facts over fear and misunderstanding.
Regulating Marijuana Works! | Yes on Amendment 64: The Colorado Campaign to Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol (http://www.regulatemarijuana.org/regulation-works)
KeepingItReal
03-07-2014, 01:43 PM
I like facts over fear and misunderstanding.
Regulating Marijuana Works! | Yes on Amendment 64: The Colorado Campaign to Regulate Marijuana Like Alcohol (http://www.regulatemarijuana.org/regulation-works)
http://www.wbko.com/home/headlines/Colorado-Launches-Campaign-to-Stop-Stoned-Driving-248973621.html
DENVER (AP) -- Colorado, where recreational marijuana is legal, is now trying to combat stoned driving in the state.
The Colorado Department of Transportation has come out with a $1 million ad campaign called "Drive High, Get a DUI," which reminds drivers that pot should be treated like alcohol.
One ad shows a spaced-out basketball player at the foul line in a playground, endlessly dribbling while his teammates wait in frustration.
Another ad shows a middle-aged man who hangs a flat-screen TV and celebrates with some tortilla chips and salsa, only to see the TV crash to the floor and shatter.
Bob Ticer, the chairman of Colorado's Interagency Task Force on Drunk Driving, says, "Enforcement is very important when it comes to impaired driving, but education is equally important."
The Colorado State Patrol says since January, about one-half of all the impaired drivers stopped in the state had smoked marijuana.
rubicon
03-07-2014, 02:10 PM
People possessing common sense understand the intentional/unintentional consequences of enacting these laws
Golfingnut
03-07-2014, 02:20 PM
Colorado Launches Campaign to Stop Stoned Driving (http://www.wbko.com/home/headlines/Colorado-Launches-Campaign-to-Stop-Stoned-Driving-248973621.html)
DENVER (AP) -- Colorado, where recreational marijuana is legal, is now trying to combat stoned driving in the state.
The Colorado Department of Transportation has come out with a $1 million ad campaign called "Drive High, Get a DUI," which reminds drivers that pot should be treated like alcohol.
One ad shows a spaced-out basketball player at the foul line in a playground, endlessly dribbling while his teammates wait in frustration.
Another ad shows a middle-aged man who hangs a flat-screen TV and celebrates with some tortilla chips and salsa, only to see the TV crash to the floor and shatter.
Bob Ticer, the chairman of Colorado's Interagency Task Force on Drunk Driving, says, "Enforcement is very important when it comes to impaired driving, but education is equally important."
The Colorado State Patrol says since January, about one-half of all the impaired drivers stopped in the state had smoked marijuana.
WBKO Radio. Really?
Golfingnut
03-07-2014, 02:23 PM
People possessing common sense understand the intentional/unintentional consequences of enacting these laws
Your right and I commend the millions of Colorado citizens that steeped up to be one of the early states. We must not allow old the sky is falling mentality to slow the evolution of our country. CO will go into the history books as Hero's in years to come.
DougB
03-07-2014, 03:15 PM
This is like the fourth thread on marijuana this week. Lou, are you stoned?
Golfingnut
03-07-2014, 03:18 PM
This is like the fourth thread on marijuana this week. Lou, are you stoned?
Just trying to get out the facts to counter the false statements from others. Note, I use sources and there not just silly talking heads.
gomoho
03-07-2014, 03:30 PM
Interesting, even Governor Jerry Moonbeam Brown in California has come to his senses saying that last thing we need is every walking around stoned - we have to get things done and that condition certainly doesn't contribute to productivity.
Golfingnut
03-07-2014, 03:34 PM
Interesting, even Governor Jerry Moonbeam Brown in California has come to his senses saying that last thing we need is every walking around stoned - we have to get things done and that condition certainly doesn't contribute to productivity.
He's wrong.
DonH57
03-07-2014, 03:40 PM
Yes, definately lots of threads on marijuana this week and I'm ready for another snack again. First I got to look thru the blinds at the yard.
TexaninVA
03-07-2014, 04:15 PM
This is like the fourth thread on marijuana this week. Lou, are you stoned?
That's what I'm wondering ... is there an obsession here?
We've already got two votes going on the topics of recreational and medical use.
TexaninVA
03-07-2014, 04:17 PM
Colorado Launches Campaign to Stop Stoned Driving (http://www.wbko.com/home/headlines/Colorado-Launches-Campaign-to-Stop-Stoned-Driving-248973621.html)
DENVER (AP) -- Colorado, where recreational marijuana is legal, is now trying to combat stoned driving in the state.
The Colorado Department of Transportation has come out with a $1 million ad campaign called "Drive High, Get a DUI," which reminds drivers that pot should be treated like alcohol.
One ad shows a spaced-out basketball player at the foul line in a playground, endlessly dribbling while his teammates wait in frustration.
Another ad shows a middle-aged man who hangs a flat-screen TV and celebrates with some tortilla chips and salsa, only to see the TV crash to the floor and shatter.
Bob Ticer, the chairman of Colorado's Interagency Task Force on Drunk Driving, says, "Enforcement is very important when it comes to impaired driving, but education is equally important."
The Colorado State Patrol says since January, about one-half of all the impaired drivers stopped in the state had smoked marijuana.
Sounds like a new age paradise, and one of the many predictable negative outcomes from legalization with more to follow no doubt.
gomoho
03-07-2014, 07:20 PM
He's wrong.
He's wrong about exactly what? and what evidence do you have to refute what you think he is wrong about?
PennBF
03-07-2014, 08:23 PM
It is interesting that there is a very limited if any who have actually compared the bad effects of marjuana and any good sides. This includes the few who have done any homework on the physical and mental harms created by the drug. We have the ones who like to compare this gateway drug to alcohol and ignore the serious and medical harm pot does, (e.g. harm to unborn babies, shrinks the stem of the brain, serious medical harm to persons 18 and under and brain damage to those older adults. and many many etc's.) How many have seen a drug abuser or alcoholic in the throws of a seizure? I promise you that once you have witnessed that you will have second thoughts about drugs and drinking.
To end this I suggest you take a sponge, put it in the sun and let it really dry out and then put it in your hands and squeeze it hard and watch it crumple into sand. You have now witnessed cirrous of the liver. How are drugged and medically impaired citizens building a better community, family life, etc. :bowdown:
KeepingItReal
03-07-2014, 09:03 PM
[QUOTE=Golfingnut;841285]WBKO Radio. Really?[/QUOTE
Colorado is spending $1 million on television ads making fun of marijuana users who space out during everyday tasks - an effort to stop stoned driving.
Happens to be WBKO TV Station not radio, but it is a good example of the problem with pot.
Here's another copy of the story from a different source:
http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/24909712/colorado-launches-campaign-to-stop-stoned-driving
Excerpt from the story:
Washington, the only other state that has legalized recreational pot, saw more than 1,300 drivers test positive for marijuana last year - that's almost 25 percent more than in 2012.
Of those, 720 had levels high enough to lead to an automatic drugged driving conviction, though Washington officials say there's been no corresponding jump in car accidents.
Colorado's $1 million ad campaign, which begins March 10, comes from a federal grant from the National Highway Transportation Safety Administration.
A Spanish-language ad campaign is launching next week, too. Those ads show a man blowing smoke and the message, "When you use marijuana, don't drive."
Dispensary owners helped develop the Colorado ads and plan to voluntarily hand out brochures and hang "Drive High, Get a DUI" posters.
"We recognize our duty to be a part of the DUID conversation," said Elan Nelson, a dispensary worker who is vice chairwoman of the state's Medical Marijuana Industry Group.
___
Associated Press Writer Gene Johnson in Seattle contributed to this report.
___
Kristen Wyatt can be reached at http://www.twitter.com/APkristenwyatt
Read more: http://www.myfoxdetroit.com/story/24909712/colorado-launches-campaign-to-stop-stoned-driving#ixzz2vKjLk6Cd
KeepingItReal
03-07-2014, 09:09 PM
Your right and I commend the millions of Colorado citizens that steeped up to be one of the early states. We must not allow old the sky is falling mentality to slow the evolution of our country. CO will go into the history books as Hero's in years to come.
No wonder our country is going down the tubes.....
Bucco
03-07-2014, 09:19 PM
It is interesting that there is a very limited if any who have actually compared the bad effects of marjuana and any good sides. This includes the few who have done any homework on the physical and mental harms created by the drug. We have the ones who like to compare this gateway drug to alcohol and ignore the serious and medical harm pot does, (e.g. harm to unborn babies, shrinks the stem of the brain, serious medical harm to persons 18 and under and brain damage to those older adults. and many many etc's.) How many have seen a drug abuser or alcoholic in the throws of a seizure? I promise you that once you have witnessed that you will have second thoughts about drugs and drinking.
To end this I suggest you take a sponge, put it in the sun and let it really dry out and then put it in your hands and squeeze it hard and watch it crumple into sand. You have now witnessed cirrous of the liver. How are drugged and medically impaired citizens building a better community, family life, etc. :bowdown:
It is sad isnt it ?
I began this thread and as I have said, the initial intent was to show the degradation of our society, and was shocked that so many people just do not pay attention. Just on the marijuana situation alone...I think a poster commented that maybe people just like to seem cool.....it must be....every single medical and psychiatric group in the USA opposes it, yet out of just sheer frustration of the effort of getting it under control, we say we are ok with having this stuff on the street legally.
I do not care what the age requirement is...it is a DRUG...a MOOD ENHANCER...a MIND ALTERING DRUG, that we want to make legal.
The comparison to alcohol stuns me. The experience our society has/is experienced with alcohol should teach us something. Marijuana use will make alcohol use pale in comparison, yet even though all the professionals keep telling us that, we have these folks who want to make it legal. It is stunning to me.
I never thought the day would come that we would even venture a conversation about a DRUG to make us feel good.....and while I will not be alive, what is the next drug that is pushed to make legal ?
Glaucoma was the first thing I heard could be treated medically with marijuana.....the United States Glaucoma society is against this legalization.
This is from the National Institute of Drug Abuse..
"Along with euphoria, relaxation is another frequently reported effect in human studies. Other effects, which vary dramatically among different users, include heightened sensory perception (e.g., brighter colors), laughter, altered perception of time, and increased appetite. After a while, the euphoria subsides, and the user may feel sleepy or depressed. Occasionally, marijuana use may produce anxiety, fear, distrust, or panic.
Marijuana use impairs a person's ability to form new memories (see below) and to shift focus. THC also disrupts coordination and balance by binding to receptors in the cerebellum and basal ganglia—parts of the brain that regulate balance, posture, coordination, and reaction time. Therefore, learning, doing complicated tasks, participating in athletics, and driving are also affected."
How does marijuana use affect your brain and body? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) (http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/marijuana-abuse/how-does-marijuana-use-affect-your-brain-body)
Yet people come on here and find it ok that their children and grandchildren may take this drug legally !!!
I read about people who post on here that used it and said it is no big deal....possibly for you.....do you ever wonder about those who did not share your luck.....are they the ones that these groups speak of.
PS....I apologize. I posted here that I started this thread...I did not...I started one with the same title but this is new and I did not start it, however my remarks remain as my opinion
KeepingItReal
03-07-2014, 09:58 PM
Just trying to get out the facts to counter the false statements from others. Note, I use sources and there not just silly talking heads.
Real Facts:
http://www.denverpost.com/breakingnews/ci_24501596/pot-problems-colorado-schools-increase-legalization#ixzz2vKts36RT
GRAND JUNCTION — In two years of work as an undercover officer with a drug task force, Mike Dillon encountered plenty of drugs. But nothing has surprised him as much as what he has seen in schools lately.
Dillon, who is now a school resource officer with the Mesa County Sheriff's Department, said he is seeing more and younger kids bringing marijuana to schools, in sometimes-surprising quantities.
"When we have middle school kids show up with a half an ounce, that is shocking to me," Dillon said.
The same phenomenon is being reported around Colorado after the 2010 regulation of medical marijuana dispensaries and the 2012 vote to legalize recreational marijuana.
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There are no hard numbers yet because school disciplinary statistics do not isolate marijuana from general drug violations. But school resource officers, counselors, nurses, staff and officials with Colorado school safety and disciplinary programs are anecdotally reporting an increase in marijuana-related incidents in middle and high schools.
"We have seen a sharp rise in drug-related disciplinary actions which, anecdotally, from credible sources, is being attributed to the changing social norms surrounding marijuana," said Janelle Krueger. Krueger is the program manager for Expelled and At-Risk Student Services for the Colorado Department of Education
Krueger said school officials believe the jump is linked to the message that legalization (even though it is still prohibited for anyone under 21) is sending to kids: that marijuana is a medicine and a safe and accepted recreational activity. It is also believed to be more available.
Marijuana that parents or other adults might have kept hidden in the past may now be left in the open, where it is easier for kids to dip into it to sell, use or, in some cases, simply to show off, said school officials and law enforcement.
"They just want to be cool," said Dillon of some of the younger students he has seen with pot at school.
Krueger, who has been an adviser to resource officers across Colorado for 17 years, said she has heard many stories from officers about kids bringing pot to schools.
One that an officer related at a meeting recently involved a student dropping a small baggie of marijuana from his pocket as he was walking down a school hallway. The school principal was walking past the student at the time and picked up the pot. He asked the student if it belonged to him. The student immediately admitted it was his and reached out to take it back from the principal.
What struck Krueger and the officer about this incident was the fact that the student didn't seem to realize that there was anything wrong with having the pot or that there would be any disciplinary consequence for it. The officer said the student acted like having marijuana was an ordinary thing and no big deal.
Jeff Grady, a Grand Junction school resource officer who has spent 25 years working in schools, tells a story about sitting in his car at a park near Grand Junction High School one day watching groups of kids through binoculars because they come to the park to smoke on lunch breaks.
"Kids are smoking before school and during lunch breaks. They come into school reeking of pot," he said. "They are being much more brazen."
He said school officials call him and he talks to the kids, but it is a little more difficult now to cite them if they aren't caught in the act. They can say that they were around an adult medical marijuana user and weren't smoking themselves, Grady said.
http://speaknowcolorado.org/fact-zone/mixing-marijuana-alcohol/
Golfingnut
03-08-2014, 03:27 AM
Why give one man medical marijuana yet not another?
Onswipe (http://t.answers.com/answers/#!/entry/did-ronald-reagan-smoke-marijuana,504a5e86444f678947511bf1/2)
Golfingnut
03-08-2014, 03:30 AM
It is the law in many states now an will soon be the law of the entire country. The fact that old people are the main objection to this coming attraction proves to me that it is right to legalize it.
Golfingnut
03-08-2014, 03:57 AM
It is sad isnt it ?
I began this thread and as I have said, the initial intent was to show the degradation of our society, and was shocked that so many people just do not pay attention. Just on the marijuana situation alone...I think a poster commented that maybe people just like to seem cool.....it must be....every single medical and psychiatric group in the USA opposes it, yet out of just sheer frustration of the effort of getting it under control, we say we are ok with having this stuff on the street legally.
I do not care what the age requirement is...it is a DRUG...a MOOD ENHANCER...a MIND ALTERING DRUG, that we want to make legal.
The comparison to alcohol stuns me. The experience our society has/is experienced with alcohol should teach us something. Marijuana use will make alcohol use pale in comparison, yet even though all the professionals keep telling us that, we have these folks who want to make it legal. It is stunning to me.
I never thought the day would come that we would even venture a conversation about a DRUG to make us feel good.....and while I will not be alive, what is the next drug that is pushed to make legal ?
Glaucoma was the first thing I heard could be treated medically with marijuana.....the United States Glaucoma society is against this legalization.
This is from the National Institute of Drug Abuse..
"Along with euphoria, relaxation is another frequently reported effect in human studies. Other effects, which vary dramatically among different users, include heightened sensory perception (e.g., brighter colors), laughter, altered perception of time, and increased appetite. After a while, the euphoria subsides, and the user may feel sleepy or depressed. Occasionally, marijuana use may produce anxiety, fear, distrust, or panic.
Marijuana use impairs a person's ability to form new memories (see below) and to shift focus. THC also disrupts coordination and balance by binding to receptors in the cerebellum and basal ganglia—parts of the brain that regulate balance, posture, coordination, and reaction time. Therefore, learning, doing complicated tasks, participating in athletics, and driving are also affected."
How does marijuana use affect your brain and body? | National Institute on Drug Abuse (NIDA) (http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/marijuana-abuse/how-does-marijuana-use-affect-your-brain-body)
Yet people come on here and find it ok that their children and grandchildren may take this drug legally !!!
I read about people who post on here that used it and said it is no big deal....possibly for you.....do you ever wonder about those who did not share your luck.....are they the ones that these groups speak of.
PS....I apologize. I posted here that I started this thread...I did not...I started one with the same title but this is new and I did not start it, however my remarks remain as my opinion
LOL. You? Began this thread. LOL
Golfingnut
03-08-2014, 03:59 AM
Facts from a fact based source.
Marijuana Research - Scientific American (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/marijuana-research/)
Golfingnut
03-08-2014, 04:20 AM
Just for in uninformed please.
13 Historical People Who Smoked Weed | Marijuana Use Through History (Page 6) (http://www.ranker.com/list/13-ways-important-historical-figures-used-marijuana/sarakate?format=SLIDESHOW&page=6)
graciegirl
03-08-2014, 07:36 AM
I keep thinking about the fall of Rome.
Golfingnut
03-08-2014, 07:41 AM
I keep thinking about the fall of Rome.
I would rather see the USA fall than continue on its path to becoming a kingdom with 99% of us at the whim of its dictator style 1%.
:boxing2:
:ho:
No I don't thinks things are that bad, but the rich are getting closer to that every day. If they could see a profit in medical or even recreational marijuana, it would over the counter right now.
gomoho
03-08-2014, 08:47 AM
Golfingnut - you've made your position quite clear, but what about the unintended consequences we are already seeing with the kids. We are sending the message that marijuana is fine to use as a recreational drug if you are over 21 - how to convince them in their youth it can ruin their brains and bodies. And please don't use the alcohol argument, because that doesn't justify this new harm we are putting out there for them to consider. And don't say "they are going to do it anyway" 'cause though that is true how many more will now get involved because we have said it's fine - once you're 21.
Taltarzac725
03-08-2014, 09:02 AM
Just for in uninformed please.
13 Historical People Who Smoked Weed | Marijuana Use Through History (Page 6) (http://www.ranker.com/list/13-ways-important-historical-figures-used-marijuana/sarakate?format=SLIDESHOW&page=6)
That is an interesting list. I am pretty sure Joan of Arc would be labeled a paranoid schizophrenic if she tried making a similar approach to the French President today about removing some invading force based upon her hearing the voices of some angel only she sees.
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TexaninVA
03-08-2014, 09:12 AM
[QUOTE=Golfingnut;841627]I would rather see the USA fall than continue on its path to becoming a kingdom with 99% of us at the whim of its dictator style 1%.
This has to be one of the most provocative and off the wall comments I've ever seen on TOTV ...
Golfingnut
03-08-2014, 09:14 AM
Golfingnut - you've made your position quite clear, but what about the unintended consequences we are already seeing with the kids. We are sending the message that marijuana is fine to use as a recreational drug if you are over 21 - how to convince them in their youth it can ruin their brains and bodies. And please don't use the alcohol argument, because that doesn't justify this new harm we are putting out there for them to consider. And don't say "they are going to do it anyway" 'cause though that is true how many more will now get involved because we have said it's fine - once you're 21.
I don't see any difference be it legal or not. I do see the honest citizen that would not use it even to help with a medical issue unless prescribed by a Dr. Those folks are my intended recipients.
TexaninVA
03-08-2014, 09:14 AM
Golfingnut - you've made your position quite clear, but what about the unintended consequences we are already seeing with the kids. We are sending the message that marijuana is fine to use as a recreational drug if you are over 21 - how to convince them in their youth it can ruin their brains and bodies. And please don't use the alcohol argument, because that doesn't justify this new harm we are putting out there for them to consider. And don't say "they are going to do it anyway" 'cause though that is true how many more will now get involved because we have said it's fine - once you're 21.
Excellent point ... while all the cool baby boomers want to smoke recreational dope, no one has yet talked about the predictably negative impact on our kids and grandkids.
graciegirl
03-08-2014, 09:14 AM
Facts from a fact based source.
Marijuana Research - Scientific American (http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/marijuana-research/)
I have looked at this and it appears that the premise is not supporting the use of marijuana but discussing problems doing research of it.
"Yet outdated regulations and attitudes thwart legitimate research with marijuana."
http://mail.aol.com/38430-111/aol-6/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=28835980&folder=OldMail&partId=1 (http://mail.aol.com/38430-111/aol-6/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=28835980&folder=OldMail&partId=1)
Taltarzac725
03-08-2014, 09:31 AM
I have looked at this and it appears that the premise is not supporting the use of marijuana but discussing problems doing research of it.
"Yet outdated regulations and attitudes thwart legitimate research with marijuana."
http://mail.aol.com/38430-111/aol-6/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=28835980&folder=OldMail&partId=1 (http://mail.aol.com/38430-111/aol-6/en-us/mail/get-attachment.aspx?uid=28835980&folder=OldMail&partId=1)
Good catch.
Golfingnut
03-08-2014, 09:41 AM
Go back even farther before we demonized it.
Alcohol Kills Brain Cells, But Marijuana Doesn't - Gaia HealthGaia Health (http://gaia-health.com/gaia-blog/2012-12-27/marijuana-does-not-harm-brains-but-alcohol-does/)
PennBF
03-08-2014, 10:27 AM
Just as some background. I am speaking from the standpoint of having about 50-60 years of professional, Licenced Therypists who have treated Drug and Alcoholics in both Treatment Centers and Private Patients. They have seen the real affects of the drugs including Marijuana, Meth, Coke, et al. They have seen the patient come in who started on pot and is now a full fledged Heroin user and has a wet brain. the achololic who has destroyed their family and children because of the drinking. Ask him/her and they don't relate to the harm to the family. They know that alcohol effects "every organ" of the body. Do we need another drug in the system. Heck no. The best news is that it is anticipated the vote to make pot legal in Florida will fail. Lets all hope this is true. It would be helpful if some of the people in favor of the drug go to an Ala Non meeting and hear the impacts from the family standpoint or to an AA meeting and get some real feedback from how easy it is to go from "recreational" to "hard core" usage.
I am not a "nut" on this subject but have heard the facts from the real Professionals and understand how harmful this is and have to speak out to neutralize some of the ones who like the idea of drugs.:ho:
Golfingnut
03-08-2014, 10:41 AM
Just as some background. I am speaking from the standpoint of having about 50-60 years of professional, Licenced Therypists who have treated Drug and Alcoholics in both Treatment Centers and Private Patients. They have seen the real affects of the drugs including Marijuana, Meth, Coke, et al. They have seen the patient come in who started on pot and is now a full fledged Heroin user and has a wet brain. the achololic who has destroyed their family and children because of the drinking. Ask him/her and they don't relatie to the harm to the family. They know that alcohol effects "every organ" of the body. Do we need another drug in the system. Heck no. The best news is that it is anticipated the vote to make pot legal in Florida will fail. Lets all hope this is true. It would be helpful if some of the people in favor of the drug go to an Ala Non meeting and hear the impacts from the family standpoint or to an AA meeting and get some real feedback from how easy it is to go from "recreational" to "hard core" usage.
I am not a "nut" on this subject but have heard the facts from the real Professionals and understand how harmful this is and have to speak out to neutralize some of the ones who like the idea of drugs.:ho:
I truly respect you history and position on DRUGS. We are discussing the recreational and medical use of marijuana. That is a far cry from a heroine addict.
Introductory drugs could easily be Red Bull, alcohol, cigarettes, and so on. As a therapist I'm sure you recognize addicts have other emotional reasons that cause them to become dependent on stronger and stronger methods to satisfy their need to get high. They will get there if they have to spray paint into a bag and huff it. Putting the guilt on Marijuana (in my opinion) is at the minimum a cop out. Add that to the medical benefits and legalizing marijuana is the financial, and Christian thing to do.
graciegirl
03-08-2014, 10:54 AM
I feel as if I just smoked a joint. Things are not making sense and I'm hungry.
Golfingnut
03-08-2014, 11:02 AM
The more I read posts that are serious rather than sarcastic, I also find myself leaning toward only legalization for medical purposes, but never will I change opinion on that nor will I understand anyone's desire to hold back medical help to anyone that needs it.
graciegirl
03-08-2014, 11:05 AM
When is sarcasm witty?
When is a point made?
When is is best not to oversell your idea or product or belief or view or ...?
Golfingnut
03-08-2014, 11:09 AM
When is sarcasm witty?
When is a point made?
When is is best not to oversell your idea or product or belief or view or ...?
I have no idea, but the cut off I use is when personally directed with the apparent intent to demean, embarrass or insult another person.
PennBF
03-08-2014, 11:10 AM
Making it legal is really exploiting the health of the youth for the purpose of allowing adults to "get high". The easier it is to get the more they will use it including the young and adults who are unable to control "drugs" because of the medical/physical aspects of the cheminstry of the brain. A writer is right that some will go to any lengths to get high. That is because there is in some a cheministry in the brain that demands more and more of drugs once it is introduced. Will not go into the medical descriptions of this just that it is a fact and what drives a lot of drug users. Introducing pot to more and more young people will and historically has caused at a minimum 20% to move on to harder drugs and if lucky will end up in a Rehab facility that educates them on the harm of using. As far as for "Medical Usage" I think that has some good points. Unfortunately the average Dr. is not really highly educated on drugs and therefore they are prone to prescribe them without knowing what it means if they "misdiagnosis" which many do. I know of one case where the Dr. gave a patient with a slight bone crack in the arm 100 oxycodones. That is a terrible thing but fortunately the patients knew and threw 95 away. Today that is the most addictive drug on the market. It should take an expert on drug usage/effects to approve a Dr.s prescription of pot for medical purposes. and the penalty should be great to the Dr. if they misuse the right to prescribe. It is naive and lack of knowledge to favor pot for any other reason than medical. To compare one drug, (e.g. acoholol vs pot) against another is really silly. It usually means someone is actually trying to say one drug is not as bad as another. They are all bad.! It could be said a room full of pot smokers and the smoke is worse than a room full of drunks. Here we go again..:ho:
Golfingnut
03-08-2014, 11:13 AM
Making it legal is really exploiting the health of the youth for the purpose of allowing adults to "get high". The easier it is to get the more they will use it including the young and adults who are unable to control "drugs" because of the medical/physical aspects of the cheminstry of the brain. A writer is right that some will go to any lengths to get high. That is because there is in some a cheministry in the brain that demands more and more of drugs once it is introduced. Will not go into the medical descriptions of this just that it is a fact and what drives a lot of drug users. Introducing pot to more and more young people will and historically has caused at a minimum 20% to move on to harder drugs and if lucky will end up in a Rehab facility that educates them on the harm of using. As far as for "Medical Usage" I think that has some good points. Unfortunately the average Dr. is not really highly educated on drugs and therefore they are prone to prescribe them without knowing what it means if they "misdiagnosis" which many do. I know of one case where the Dr. gave a patient with a slight bone crack in the arm 100 oxycodones. That is a terrible thing but fortunately the patients knew and threw 95 away. Today that is the most addictive drug on the market. It should take an expert on
drug usage/effects to approve a Dr.s prescription of pot for medical purposes. and the penaly should be great to the Dr. if they misuse the right to prescribe. It is naive and lack of knowledge to favor pot for any other reason
than medical. To compare one drug, (e.g. acoholol vs pot) against another is really silly. It usually means someone is actually trying to say one drug is not as bad as another. They are all bad.! It could be said a room full of pot smokers and the smoke is worse than a room full of drunks. Here we go again..:ho:
Wonderful post. Thank you for your expert input.
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