Malaysia plane lost contact

[Happinow]

It can't be good news. This plane was carrying 239 passengers. Contact was lost in or near Vietnam. Plane was traveling from Kuala Lumpur to Beijing. Thoughts and prayers for a safe outcome.

[BarryRX]

It sure doesn't look good. Thoughts and prayers.

[zcaveman]

There was an article about the missing airplane in the Daily Sun today.

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[Taltarzac725]

Malaysia Airlines plane missing, presumed crashed in South China Sea | Reuters (http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/03/08/us-malaysiaairlines-flight-idUSBREA2701720140308)

Please keep us abreast of this. I feel for the families of the lost if it is indeed down. Prayers that this is not the case.

[Taltarzac725]

... been found.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370)

http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/03/09/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight.html?_r=0

A 12-mile-long oil slick spotted between Malaysia and Vietnam on Saturday afternoon is thought to be the first sign that a missing Malaysia Airlines flight with 239 people aboard went down in the waters between southernmost Vietnam and northern Malaysia, according to Vietnam’s director of civil aviation.

[nitehawk]

Please keep me abreast of what is happening as i do not get CNN

[JB in TV]

Please keep me abreast of what is happening as i do not get CNN

Uhm...try this click here for CNN (http://www.cnn.com/)

[graciegirl]

This is very sad but is there some......unwritten worry here too? That it might have been destroyed?

[nitehawk]

This is very sad but is there some......unwritten worry here too? That it might have been destroyed?

Do you think it could be terrorism ????

[collie1228]

The Associated Press reported that two passengers listed on the manifest were carrying stolen passports from Italy and Austria. Doesn't look good - but it's hard to believe a terrorist could crash a plane and the crew can't get out an emergency message.

[graciegirl]

The Associated Press reported that two passengers listed on the manifest were carrying stolen passports from Italy and Austria. Doesn't look good - but it's hard to believe a terrorist could crash a plane and the crew can't get out an emergency message.





I am at a loss as to motive for terrorists? Who would masquerade as someone else and potentially blow up a plane carrying mostly Asian people?


I know someone sick, but what message would this bring from what terrorist group?

[billethkid]

what is puzzling, if the oil slick area is suspect, is the complete lack of wreckage debris.

Unless the plane made a "Sully" like water landing and then sank with all hands on board....there to me there has to be debris.....of some kind/quantity.....somewhere.

[TexaninVA]

Do you think it could be terrorism ????

I think that, based on preliminary reports about the missing passports and that the plane vanished without a trace, we'll probably find some element of Islamic terrorism in the equation somewhere.

[Taltarzac725]

I think that, based on preliminary reports about the missing passports and that the plane vanished without a trace, we'll probably find some element of Islamic terrorism in the equation somewhere.

I have not heard of any groups claiming responsibility for this. And there are other terrorist groups than those of Islam. Let's wait and see what the facts are if they ever come out. It sounds like the crash sight is shallow and level enough at the bottom for them to find the black box.

This was according to the ABC World News report for 3/8/2014. http://abcnews.go.com/


http://www.malaysiaairlines.com/my/en/site/dark-site.html

[TexaninVA]

I have not heard of any groups claiming responsibility for this. And there are other terrorist groups than those of Islam. Let's wait and see what the facts are if they ever come out. It sounds like the crash sight is shallow and level enough at the bottom for them to find the black box.

Yes, I was premature in jumping to conclusions that it was likely an Islamic terrorist based group ... assuming terrorism is the cause. I suppose it's just as likely that it was done by some disaffected Irish nuns.

[CFrance]

The Associated Press reported that two passengers listed on the manifest were carrying stolen passports from Italy and Austria. Doesn't look good - but it's hard to believe a terrorist could crash a plane and the crew can't get out an emergency message.

On NBC they explained that there are certain circumstances where transmission could have been shut down due to mechanical problems, in which case a mayday wouldn't have been able to be sent.

Also, those passports were stolen two years ago. It could have been criminals rather than terrorists traveling on the plane.

I'm not suggesting anything; just repeating what was reported on NBC.

[graciegirl]

It is hard not to think of bad things in this day and age.

[DonH57]

It is hard not to think of bad things in this day and age.

That's true. With respect to air travel safety all we can do is wait and see and keep the familys' involved in our thoughts and prayers.

[Taltarzac725]

Yes, I was premature in jumping to conclusions that it was likely an Islamic terrorist based group ... assuming terrorism is the cause. I suppose it's just as likely that it was done by some disaffected Irish nuns.

Not sure why disaffected Irish nuns would have a problem with Malaysia (source of flight) or with Beijing (the destination) or this airline or some other reason why this flight may or may not have been targeted. Think back to that old adage of motive, means and opportunity. There are a huge number of Muslims in Malaysia. Islam in Malaysia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_Malaysia)

If anything, the terrorists probably would be anti-Muslim or anti-Chinese ones if this turns out to be a case of terrorism. I really doubt that however as no one has taken responsibility. http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/ebf9065a-a73c-11e3-a9fe-00144feab7de.html#axzz2vT3BkJqm http://www.ft.com/home/us

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malaysia_Airlines_Flight_370

[shcisamax]

Yes, if it were a terrorist act, there really is no sense in blowing an asset up along with a plane of 240 people and not take credit.

[Taltarzac725]

Yes, if it were a terrorist act, there really is no sense in blowing an asset up along with a plane of 240 people and not take credit.

The only things that could make sense is if the pilot had a suicide wish and carried it out, someone was targeted by a suicide assassin and somehow managed to take down the plane, computer malfunction, pilot heart attack and co-pilot incompetence, etc.

There have been terrorists groups around since the time of the Persian Wars, those between Carthage and Rome, as well as all over the Bible. The fight involving the Tribes of Israel, Moses, and the Egyptian pharaoh does look like terrorism. 10 Plagues of Egypt List (http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/epidemics/tp/10PlaguesEgypt.htm)

What I am trying to say is that terrorism is just not an Islamic phenomenon.

[nitehawk]

The only things that could make sense is if the pilot had a suicide wish and carried it out, someone was targeted by a suicide assassin and somehow managed to take down the plane, computer malfunction, pilot heart attack and co-pilot incompetence, etc.

There have been terrorists groups around since the time of the Persian Wars, those between Carthage and Rome, as well as all over the Bible. The fight involving the Tribes of Israel, Moses, and the Egyptian pharaoh does look like terrorism. 10 Plagues of Egypt List (http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/epidemics/tp/10PlaguesEgypt.htm)

What I am trying to say is that terrorism is just not an Islamic phenomenon.

Much to the disbelief of many

[janmcn]

The aircraft was last reported to be at 35,000 feet, almost seven miles above the water. It would take awhile for it to hit the water or ground. Most people these days have a cell phone. Why, as far as we know, were no frantic calls being made during these crucial minutes?

It was also reported this morning that the pentagon has not seen any explosion in that part of the world, while reviewing their satellite images.

[Taltarzac725]

The aircraft was last reported to be at 35,000 feet, almost seven miles above the water. It would take awhile for it to hit the water or ground. Most people these days have a cell phone. Why, as far as we know, were no frantic calls being made during these crucial minutes?

It was also reported this morning that the pentagon has not seen any explosion in that part of the world, while reviewing their satellite images.

That was probably a dead zone for cell phone coverage.

[janmcn]

That was probably a dead zone for cell phone coverage.


Good point. I hadn't thought of that, but you are correct. The area where the plane was last reported was a dead zone for radar contact.

[JP]

The only things that could make sense is if the pilot had a suicide wish and carried it out, someone was targeted by a suicide assassin and somehow managed to take down the plane, computer malfunction, pilot heart attack and co-pilot incompetence, etc.

There have been terrorists groups around since the time of the Persian Wars, those between Carthage and Rome, as well as all over the Bible. The fight involving the Tribes of Israel, Moses, and the Egyptian pharaoh does look like terrorism. 10 Plagues of Egypt List (http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/epidemics/tp/10PlaguesEgypt.htm)

What I am trying to say is that terrorism is just not an Islamic phenomenon.


Terrorism is not just an Islamic phenomenon in history but in our current history Islamic terrorism is a major phenomenon.

[TexaninVA]

The only things that could make sense is if the pilot had a suicide wish and carried it out, someone was targeted by a suicide assassin and somehow managed to take down the plane, computer malfunction, pilot heart attack and co-pilot incompetence, etc.

There have been terrorists groups around since the time of the Persian Wars, those between Carthage and Rome, as well as all over the Bible. The fight involving the Tribes of Israel, Moses, and the Egyptian pharaoh does look like terrorism. 10 Plagues of Egypt List (http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/epidemics/tp/10PlaguesEgypt.htm)

What I am trying to say is that terrorism is just not an Islamic phenomenon.

You have got to be kidding right? Of course terror groups have been around forever. But, if a terror act occurs in the modern world, what is the MOST likely explanation of who did it? We all know the answer even though we're not supposed to say so publicly. But I will say it here... loud and clear.

IF an act of terror occurs today around the world, by far the MOST likely explanation is an Islamic group or person is behind it. (my comment about the nuns was a joke! sorry I didn't make it plainer). I'm not saying it's 100% always Muslim or Islamic related ... but it's 90% plus and probably high 90 per cent.

Tell me directly ... do you disagree or not?

[Taltarzac725]

You have got to be kidding right? Of course terror groups have been around forever. But, if a terror act occurs in the modern world, what is the MOST likely explanation of who did it? We all know the answer even though we're not supposed to say so publicly. But I will say it here... loud and clear.

IF an act of terror occurs today around the world, by far the MOST likely explanation is an Islamic group or person is behind it. (my comment about the nuns was a joke! sorry I didn't make it plainer). I'm not saying it's 100% always Muslim or Islamic related ... but it's 90% plus and probably high 90 per cent.

Tell me directly ... do you disagree or not?

Against the US or US interests. Yes, these are usually based in jihadic movements based on some aspect of Islamic thought.

Other parts of the world have all kinds of different terrorists. List of terrorist incidents, 2010 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2010) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014

As a target, the Sochi Olympics would probably bring in mainly terrorists involved with Russian interests and Russia. This downed plane, if it was the victim of some terrorist plot, probably involves some separatists angry with Malaysia or China.

[TexaninVA]

Against the US or US interests. Yes, these are usually based in jihadic movements based on some aspect of Islamic thought.

Other parts of the world have all kinds of different terrorists. List of terrorist incidents, 2010 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2010) List of terrorist incidents, 2014 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_terrorist_incidents,_2014)

As a target, the Sochi Olympics would probably bring in mainly terrorists involved with Russian interests and Russia. This downed plane, if it was the victim of some terrorist plot, probably involves some separatists angry with Malaysia or China.

That's a reasonable reply. I would also note that, in the examples you cite (Chechen, Malaysian, Chinese) the common thread to these groups is the Muslim religion. It's more complicated than that with various other drivers (nationalism, Russian oppression etc). But, my point is simply that modern day terrorism will usually have a Muslim or Islamic factor involved.

This is another way of saying that the contemporary Muslim religion, compared to others, tends to be more violent, and often finds expression in acts of terrorism. (It would be interesting to discuss what these reasons might be but that's a topic for a separate thread.)

I also think that others' comments about dead cell zones, and the mystery as to why the plane just disappeared are helpful. We don't know all the particulars at this juncture.

[Taltarzac725]

ASN Aircraft accident Boeing 777-2H6ER 9M-MRO Malaysian coast [South China Sea] (http://aviation-safety.net/database/record.php?id=20140308-0)

Interesting database which has an entry for this lost plane.

[graciegirl]

Now they are saying the flight changed direction somewhere off the coast of Vietnam... after both of the transponders were either turned off or went off and the plane continued for at least an hour where it was picked up on radar on a small island in the Malacca strait. it was flying low during this time. This sounds very much like the plane could have been hijacked.

[CFrance]

Now they are saying the flight changed direction after both of the transponders were either turned off or went off and the plane continued for at least an hour where it was picked up on radar in the Malacca strait.

I read (either NPR email news updates or NYT online) that Malaysia's military believes it tracked a missing jetliner by radar over the Strait of Malacca, far from where it last made contact with civilian air traffic control. It was at least 200 miles off course.

[DougB]

The only things that could make sense is if the pilot had a suicide wish and carried it out, someone was targeted by a suicide assassin and somehow managed to take down the plane, computer malfunction, pilot heart attack and co-pilot incompetence, etc.

Well, that certainly narrows it down.

[CFrance]

Even the information the Malaysia military is giving out is fraught with contradiction. Here's an interesting article from NYT. http://tinyurl.com/lshbutk

[DougB]

Even the information the Malaysia military is giving out is fraught with contradiction. Here's an interesting article from NYT. http://tinyurl.com/lshbutk

fraught*[*frawt*]***
full of:*full of or accompanied by problems, dangers, or difficulties
tense and anxious:*full of or expressing nervous tension and anxiety
synonyms:*full, filled, beset, weighed down, charged, laden

New word for me to add to my vocabulary. Thanks! All this fun and educational as well.

[Villager Dude]

The Transponder thru a Unique code transmits data to the Controller and shows up on their Radar Screen. It reports back the altitude, direction, and speed.

My opinion is :

The Pilot or someone else turned it off .

If they lost oxygen and the pilots were incapacitated the plane could not continue to fly and lose altitude. If the auto pilot was engaged then the plane could continue to fly but not change altitude or direction to where it is reported to be heading. Pilots are required to have alternate oxygen masks on in case a loss of oxygen occurs.

There is a code , 7500, that a pilot can put into the transponder to alert the controllers that the plane has been high jacked. There are codes for loss of communications also.

Radar can track an object in the sky but just knows the location and not altitude, etc.

My theory is the plane was headed somewhere and reduced the altitude because it would be harder to detect on radar. If they did not make it to their destination then perhaps a fight took place and the plane became unstable.

[wendyquat]

Can anyone help me understand why this picture released by Interpol of the two Iranians on the Maylasia flight is obviously photo-shopped? The pics are identical from the waist down on both of them right down to the last wrinkle!
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Strange situation made stranger by the release of a photo-shopped picture!

[DougB]

Can anyone help me understand why this picture released by Interpol of the two Iranians on the Maylasia flight is obviously photo-shopped? The pics are identical from the waist down on both of them right down to the last wrinkle!
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Twin sons of different mothers?

[wendyquat]

Twin sons of different mothers?

Well they both inherited their dads legs!

[wendyquat]

Wierd things happening!

[2BNTV]

ThE LAST REPORT I HEARD WAS THE PLANE MADE A SHARP TURN TO THE LEFT, AND WAS SEVERAL HUNDRED MILES OFF IT'S COURSE, AS IT WAS HEADING TOWARD A SMALL ISLAND.

It was nowhere near Vietnam, and it's troubling, they cannot find this aircraft.

We can all speculate, but until it is found with the black box, may have most of the answers.

Just sayin......

[graciegirl]

Yesterday the Chinese shared images acquired Sunday of what appears to be large pieces of debris in the China Sea.

This becomes more puzzling for the world as it continues and continues the stress of the surviving families.

[shcisamax]

Very difficult for the families emotionally. Very difficult for the rest of the world to comprehend. How is it possible with all our resources and super human technology a plane is unable to be found? Six days and we have no idea what happened, when, where, why and who.

[Taltarzac725]

Very difficult for the families emotionally. Very difficult for the rest of the world to comprehend. How is it possible with all our resources and super human technology a plane is unable to be found? Six days and we have no idea what happened, when, where, why and who.

Malaysia Airlines Flight 370: Relatives wait on news - CNN.com (http://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/13/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-flight-370-passenger-relatives-tributes/index.html)

There are some heart rendering stories about the loved ones who are missing. I had a good friend on Findlaw who is a Malaysian. I kind of lost touch with her as she and another regular had started up their own discussion group on freedom of religion or something like that. I suppose there are many on TOTV who have some connection to someone that the loss of the Flight 370 may have directly affected. On the Internet it seems a much smaller world.

[Villages PL]

You can guess all you want but I'll be content to wait until the plane's disappearance is solved. This thing has been guessed to death already (no pun intended).

[Taltarzac725]

You can guess all you want but I'll be content to wait until the plane's disappearance is solved. This thing has been guessed to death already (no pun intended).

It may never be found depending on where it went into the ocean. I do understand the need for hope for the family members of the people who were on this flight 370. If it were someone I loved on such a flight, I would never give up hope unless the plane had been found.

The transponder's being turned off is quite interesting. http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/12/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-transponder/index.html

[Golfingnut]

Very sad situation. My thoughts are with the waiting families.

[Villager Dude]

Very sad situation. My thoughts are with the waiting families.

In my post # 36 I mentioned if the plane did not fly to its destination. Although very remote this could have been a well thought out hijacking with a remote destination . Now there are others that suspect it may have landed somewhere.

Why with all the technology why do we not have the data that is recorded in the so called black box transmitted thru satellite to a ground station so we do not have to go searching for it.

Also seems like all planes should have some way to track other than a transponder code so it cannot be turned off .

Keep watching...someday both of these ideas will be installed.


Cheers

[billethkid]

very interesting or scary or both that an international incident in this high tech world of ours is treated by the media....all countries, locations, etc.....treat the disappearance with the same manner as many subjects are covered here on TOTV.....lotta theory......lots of opinion....mucho speculation....no conclusion(s)......

and for many issues we are ahead on TOTV because there is much that is KNOWN!

Very soon the media will have to resort to reporting they don't know anymore than they did the last time they talked about it.

Maybe this incident will incent our law makers and the air industries to switch from radar positioning of aircraft to the much more accurate and precise GPS positioning via satellite. If that technology were in place the Maylasian plane would not be missing.

The new technology is far superior. However as is usually the case in industries like this there are political implications, special interest implications, international implications therefore....NOTHING GETS DONE....

The benefits of GPS position has so many safety and economic impacts one would think it to be a no brainer decision........yup just like the Keystone pipeline!!!!!!!

[JourneyOfLife]

New theory about the flight.
(CNN) -- The Malaysian Prime Minister stopped short of calling the disappearance of Flight 370 a hijacking, but he said Saturday that the jet veered off course, likely due to deliberate action taken by someone aboard.


Missing jet: Not a hijacking but 'deliberate' action, PM says - CNN.com (http://www.cnn.com/2014/03/15/world/asia/malaysia-airlines-plane/index.html?hpt=hp_t1)

[CFrance]

It is my absolutely unsubstantiated opinion that somebody knows where that plane is and just isn't saying. They could be in negotiations for hostages, racing to the area, whatever. That's my feeling.

[kittygilchrist]

NY Post, published a few minutes ago....
Malaysian police have already said they are looking at the psychological state, family life and connections of pilot Zaharie Ahmad Shah, 53, and co-pilot Fariq Abdul Hamid, 27. Both have been described as respectable, community-minded men.

Zaharie joined Malaysia Airlines in 1981 and had more than 18,000 hours of experience. His Facebook page showed an aviation enthusiast who flew remote-controlled aircraft, posting pictures of his collection, which included a lightweight twin-engine helicopter and an amphibious aircraft.

Fariq was contemplating marriage after having just graduated to the cockpit of a Boeing 777. He has drawn scrutiny after the revelation that in 2011, he and another pilot invited two women aboard their aircraft to sit in the cockpit for a flight from Phuket, Thailand, to Kuala Lumpur.