Golf cart road rage altercation

[Bobcuse]

My wife and I were in the car headed north on Morse Blvd around 4:25 pm today and as we came to a stop for the red light at the intersection at Rio Grande we witnessed a shocking and sad incident. Two golf carts were traveling north on Morse and one had moved into the right turning lane and the other was in the golf cart lane going straight. We didn't notice anything unusual until we heard the screech of tires as the cart going straight slammed on his breaks to avoid striking the cart in front of him. At the same time, the cart in the turning lane suddenly stopped right next to that cart and the driver jumped out and reached into the first cart and tried to grab and strike the driver. He was yelling something but we couldn't hear what they said. The driver being attacked jumped out of his cart and ran around in front of his cart and confronted the other man. They both raised their fists and the original aggressor took a couple of swings but the other man moved back and said something like "I don't want to fight" and "what did I do?" But the first man continue to be aggressive. The light changed and as we were pulling away (I couldn't pull over there) I could see them both rolling on the pavement. Other cars had stopped and we saw a police car coming down Morse so I assume it was stopped. Another case of apparent road rage gone bad. Very sad and disturbing to see this behavior on a public road here in TV.

[2BNTV]

:agree:

Easier to forget about it and go on your merry way. :smiley:

Why are so many peoople that uptight, as we are all retired.

LET IT BE. :popcorn:

[manaboutown]

Crayzeez fer shure!

[gomoho]

People are just plain losing their minds - must be the weather.

[asianthree]

Two old guys trying to fight..no wonder they ended up rolling around one the ground. .could not stay upright. .how sad they forget their age

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Gee I wonder if anyone had been drinking?

[CFrance]

I don't understand the positioning of those golf carts. I thought at an intersection all golf carts had to exit the golf cart lane and position themselves in the traffic lanes. So the one going straight in the golf cart lane... shouldn't he have been in the traffic lane going straight?

[KathieI]

At Morse and Rio Grande it is a very different type of traffic pattern. There is a right hand turn lane for cars and carts and to the left of it is a golf cart lane to go straight. Its kinda confusing and very different than other streets in TV.

[CFrance]

At Morse and Rio Grande it is a very different type of traffic pattern. There is a right hand turn lane for cars and carts and to the left of it is a golf cart lane to go straight. Its kinda confusing and very different than other streets in TV.
Oh.

[Bay Kid]

Too much TV! Sorry, I had to say that. Why can't we all just get along?

[graciegirl]

Gee I wonder if anyone had been drinking?



Ya think?

[missypie]

This is so sad. :pray:

[redwitch]

And we're assuming this is golf cart rage. It could have just as easily been something between the two men that had been festering for awhile or something that occurred at a restaurant or bar. Who knows?

Regardless, what an ugly thing to have witnessed in TV. Sometimes we really don't live up to our image, do we?

[Golfingnut]

Wow

[nitehawk]

My wife and I were in the car headed north on Morse Blvd around 4:25 pm today and as we came to a stop for the red light at the intersection at Rio Grande we witnessed a shocking and sad incident. Two golf carts were traveling north on Morse and one had moved into the right turning lane and the other was in the golf cart lane going straight. We didn't notice anything unusual until we heard the screech of tires as the cart going straight slammed on his breaks to avoid striking the cart in front of him. At the same time, the cart in the turning lane suddenly stopped right next to that cart and the driver jumped out and reached into the first cart and tried to grab and strike the driver. He was yelling something but we couldn't hear what they said. The driver being attacked jumped out of his cart and ran around in front of his cart and confronted the other man. They both raised their fists and the original aggressor took a couple of swings but the other man moved back and said something like "I don't want to fight" and "what did I do?" But the first man continue to be aggressive. The light changed and as we were pulling away (I couldn't pull over there) I could see them both rolling on the pavement. Other cars had stopped and we saw a police car coming down Morse so I assume it was stopped. Another case of apparent road rage gone bad. Very sad and disturbing to see this behavior on a public road here in TV.

and you could not have put your car in "park" and tried to stop the incident or at least be a witness to what had happened ----and told police what you observed ---i do not understand why some people will take the time to write about an incident but yet not get involved when there involvement could have made a difference in the outcome ----

[red tail]

stop in the middle of the road on an active highway......really!!!!! more totv wisdom

[graciegirl]

Look. It is shocking for a lot of us to see people hitting each other. I have never in my whole life witnessed a fight between two angry adults personally where they hit each other.

[red tail]

the top rated cities for road rage
1. new York
2. dallas
3. detroit

[janmcn]

and you could not have put your car in "park" and tried to stop the incident or at least be a witness to what had happened ----and told police what you observed ---i do not understand why some people will take the time to write about an incident but yet not get involved when there involvement could have made a difference in the outcome ----


Here in the gunshine state, one never knows when the bullets will start flying.

[nitehawk]

stop in the middle of the road on an active highway......really!!!!! more totv wisdom

copy "My wife and I were in the car headed north on Morse Blvd around 4:25 pm today and as we came to a stop for the red light at the intersection at Rio Grande we witnessed a shocking and sad incident. " in the middle of an active highway ------ if you would read the OP---WOW i rest my case ------:pepper2::pepper2:

[Madelaine Amee]

Unfortunately, golf cart road rage happens quite regularly in my quiet little area. We are close to a golf cart path in the area of Glenview CC and the language, the fingers being thrown, people screaming at each other, happens most days. The people who live opposite the golf cart cut through sit out and get their entertainment from the stupidity of the golf cart road rage! We are supposed to be adults!

[NotGolfer]

TWICE I've had the "luck" to be verbally (abused) by individuals, swearing and yelling because the golf cart I was in, wasn't doing what they thought should be happening. One time it was because I was in a cart waiting, at a stop sigh, for heavy traffic to pass on the street but someone behind thought we should put our lives in peril just so he could continue on his way. The other time was because the golf-cart was going the legal speed (19.5.) while his was a souped up version and he thought he needed to be somewhere so he threw a tantrum in his "adult version" of swearing and name-calling and hand-flailing. I'm sure these folks would make their mom's proud with behaviours like that....not to say spouses, kids and grandkids!!

[TexaninVA]

My wife and I were in the car headed north on Morse Blvd around 4:25 pm today and as we came to a stop for the red light at the intersection at Rio Grande we witnessed a shocking and sad incident. Two golf carts were traveling north on Morse and one had moved into the right turning lane and the other was in the golf cart lane going straight. We didn't notice anything unusual until we heard the screech of tires as the cart going straight slammed on his breaks to avoid striking the cart in front of him. At the same time, the cart in the turning lane suddenly stopped right next to that cart and the driver jumped out and reached into the first cart and tried to grab and strike the driver. He was yelling something but we couldn't hear what they said. The driver being attacked jumped out of his cart and ran around in front of his cart and confronted the other man. They both raised their fists and the original aggressor took a couple of swings but the other man moved back and said something like "I don't want to fight" and "what did I do?" But the first man continue to be aggressive. The light changed and as we were pulling away (I couldn't pull over there) I could see them both rolling on the pavement. Other cars had stopped and we saw a police car coming down Morse so I assume it was stopped. Another case of apparent road rage gone bad. Very sad and disturbing to see this behavior on a public road here in TV.


This is never good but happens more often than any of us would like to see.

We can indeed safely assume there was probably some alcohol involved ...but what other factors explain this kind of idiotic behavior??

-- crotchety old people?
-- some level of early dementia?
-- used to driving a certain way in NYC or something?
-- some people are just plain obnoxious?

[DonH57]

TWICE I've had the "luck" to be verbally (abused) by individuals, swearing and yelling because the golf cart I was in, wasn't doing what they thought should be happening. One time it was because I was in a cart waiting, at a stop sigh, for heavy traffic to pass on the street but someone behind thought we should put our lives in peril just so he could continue on his way. The other time was because the golf-cart was going the legal speed (19.5.) while his was a souped up version and he thought he needed to be somewhere so he threw a tantrum in his "adult version" of swearing and name-calling and hand-flailing. I'm sure these folks would make their mom's proud with behaviours like that....not to say spouses, kids and grandkids!!

You are not alone my friend. I've had a few of these instances because I was doing what I'm suppose to do behind the wheel of our cart.

[wendyquat]

copy "My wife and I were in the car headed north on Morse Blvd around 4:25 pm today and as we came to a stop for the red light at the intersection at Rio Grande we witnessed a shocking and sad incident. " in the middle of an active highway ------ if you would read the OP---WOW i rest my case ------:pepper2::pepper2:

But, I would guess if they had STOPPED it might have caused ANOTHER incident! I don't know if you've noticed but if you don't move ahead IMMEDIATELY the horns will start to blare! Us southerners aren't used to all this impatience!

[wendyquat]

TWICE I've had the "luck" to be verbally (abused) by individuals, swearing and yelling because the golf cart I was in, wasn't doing what they thought should be happening. One time it was because I was in a cart waiting, at a stop sigh, for heavy traffic to pass on the street but someone behind thought we should put our lives in peril just so he could continue on his way. The other time was because the golf-cart was going the legal speed (19.5.) while his was a souped up version and he thought he needed to be somewhere so he threw a tantrum in his "adult version" of swearing and name-calling and hand-flailing. I'm sure these folks would make their mom's proud with behaviours like that....not to say spouses, kids and grandkids!!

Been there, done that, too many times! What on earth is the hurry?

[graciegirl]

Not Golfer, I was in a similar situation, waiting at a stop sign to pull out in my golf cart when another golf cart didn't pause and went around me. I noticed he was a Yankee fan.

[CFrance]

Here in the gunshine state, one never knows when the bullets will start flying.

and you could not have put your car in "park" and tried to stop the incident or at least be a witness to what had happened ----and told police what you observed ---i do not understand why some people will take the time to write about an incident but yet not get involved when there involvement could have made a difference in the outcome ----

I would no more get into the middle of a road-rage fight between two adults than go rob a bank. What a stupid thing to do! There most certainly might be a gun or two, and who's to say the witness was strong enough to stop a fight without getting hurt?

Calling the police is the right thing to do.

[CFrance]

Unfortunately, golf cart road rage happens quite regularly in my quiet little area. We are close to a golf cart path in the area of Glenview CC and the language, the fingers being thrown, people screaming at each other, happens most days. The people who live opposite the golf cart cut through sit out and get their entertainment from the stupidity of the golf cart road rage! We are supposed to be adults!

If I lived where you do, Madelaine Amee, I'd be tempted to get one of those portable boat air horns. Blast away when the screaming starts.

[Kahuna32162]

From another thread, it was suggested that carts have some kind of identification sticker to be able to report these kinds of incidents to the authorities. I, at first, thought this was an un necessary thing, now, I'm not so sure.

[DonH57]

If I lived where you do, Madelaine Amee, I'd be tempted to get one of those portable boat air horns. Blast away when the screaming starts.

I don't have an air horn but I turn up my tunes to drown them out.

[DDoug]

Put a bunch of rats in a small cage they will fight each other to the death.Not saying people are rats. Used to do that for entertainment on the farm.

[Madelaine Amee]

The thing that really concerns me is the sheer ignorance that really does abound in TV. For some reason or other I got the impression that we were reasonably nice people, but unfortunately there is a huge slice of the population here who are not nice at all. They are rude, abusive and almost out of control. If any of you ever have to travel through the gate onto 101 passing the big white church on the corner, do you remember when a group of people took exception to the STOP signs which were painted on the posts at the driveways into and out of the church? Remember that every day TV would paint the STOP sign on the post and the "night" people would come along and paint over it, this happened night after night. Finally, TV had to put small metal plates on the posts which are screwed on and I even think they painted over them one night. This type of crazy thinking is far more prevalent than one would believe, it is beyond my comprehension.

I was under the impression the majority of us came here to get out of the rat race and to spend our retirement years living in the peace and quiet of this beautiful community - seems I was wrong.

[eweissenbach]

Here in the gunshine state, one never knows when the bullets will start flying.
post of the day!
Put a bunch of rats in a small cage they will fight each other to the death.Not saying people are rats. Used to do that for entertainment on the farm.
NOT post of the day!

[Big O]

The thing that really concerns me is the sheer ignorance that really does abound in TV. For some reason or other I got the impression that we were reasonably nice people, but unfortunately there is a huge slice of the population here who are not nice at all. They are rude, abusive and almost out of control. If any of you ever have to travel through the gate onto 101 passing the big white church on the corner, do you remember when a group of people took exception to the STOP signs which were painted on the posts at the driveways into and out of the church? Remember that every day TV would paint the STOP sign on the post and the "night" people would come along and paint over it, this happened night after night. Finally, TV had to put small metal plates on the posts which are screwed on and I even think they painted over them one night. This type of crazy thinking is far more prevalent than one would believe, it is beyond my comprehension.

I was under the impression the majority of us came here to get out of the rat race and to spend our retirement years living in the peace and quiet of this beautiful community - seems I was wrong.

I don't think it is a very large percentage of The Villages population that falls into this category but their actions have a large impact on the rest of us. I am fortunate that I have not been affected by cart rage since I have been here. I have however been almost nailed by drunks in carts.

[BobnBev]

Just a couple of old fools showing off what little testosterone
they have left.:jester::jester:

[Bogie Shooter]

Put a bunch of rats in a small cage they will fight each other to the death.Not saying people are rats. Used to do that for entertainment on the farm.

Entertainment???

[Mr.Big]

After reading this, I am thinking about starting "Tough Men Contests" in the Town Squares. Find out who the toughest old fart is in The Villages!:pepper2::pepper2:

[DonH57]

After reading this, I am thinking about starting "Tough Men Contests" in the Town Squares. Find out who the toughest old fart is in The Villages!:pepper2::pepper2:

That very well may be pretty entertaining.:beer3:

[Bonny]

Put a bunch of rats in a small cage they will fight each other to the death.Not saying people are rats. Used to do that for entertainment on the farm.

Sorry. but that's some pretty "sad" entertainment !! :ohdear:

[mrfixit]

Put a bunch of rats in a small cage they will fight each other to the death.Not saying people are rats. Used to do that for entertainment on the farm.

IMHO.
If anyone thinks of that as entertainment.....
.....they perhaps should simply increase their meds.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

After reading this, I am thinking about starting "Tough Men Contests" in the Town Squares. Find out who the toughest old fart is in The Villages!:pepper2::pepper2:

I like that idea... cage fighting with a Band back up? LOL

[TNLAKEPANDA]

But, I would guess if they had STOPPED it might have caused ANOTHER incident! I don't know if you've noticed but if you don't move ahead IMMEDIATELY the horns will start to blare! Us southerners aren't used to all this impatience!

In TN everybody waves to you... they don't give you the one finger solute. I lived in the NE for a bit and know people can get pretty testy there. Not all but some are in a big hurry all the time. On the other side some retired people will drive in the left land at any speed they choose and that is annoying too. If someone wants to get by I just move over and let them and would expect the same from others. :gc:

[mrfixit]

Put a bunch of rats in a small cage they will fight each other to the death.Not saying people are rats. Used to do that for entertainment on the farm.

My wife stated...
...............the truth be told...
.....Put 2 MALE Rats in the cage to obtain the observed result.
.....Put 2 FEMALE Rats in the cage and together they would have
figured out how to escape.

In My Humble Opinion...
....................that "Trophy-Chick" of mine is simply Brilliant !!!

[LndLocked]

Their is the same % of fools, clowns & nitwits in TV as their is in the world outside The Bubble.

[Polar Bear]

Their is the same % of fools, clowns & nitwits in TV as their is in the world outside The Bubble.

Yep. As wonderful as TV is, this is still true.

[MikeV]

After reading this, I am thinking about starting "Tough Men Contests" in the Town Squares. Find out who the toughest old fart is in The Villages!:pepper2::pepper2:

I would pay to see that! :pepper2:

[graciegirl]

In TN everybody waves to you... they don't give you the one finger solute. I lived in the NE for a bit and know people can get pretty testy there. Not all but some are in a big hurry all the time. On the other side some retired people will drive in the left land at any speed they choose and that is annoying too. If someone wants to get by I just move over and let them and would expect the same from others. :gc:



In Ohio too, mostly, but some folks have moved in from other areas. I do not recall being honked at for daydreaming at a stop sign or stop light in my whole life in Ohio.


And in Ohio people view stop signs as a place to stop.


In other areas many view stop signs as merely a suggestion.

[Mr.Big]

The Villages "Toughman Contest" in the townsquares. Participants could drive their carts to the ring. All would need spectacular robes. All would need a theme, or a catchy name, like, The Wisconsin Whopper, The Minnesota Menace, The Ageless Wonder, etc. They could wear their sponsors on their robes, like, Viagra, Cialis, Preparation H, Bengay, Fiber One, Buick,Old Spice etc. All would have introductory song to the ring. Lets do this. Contact Morse immediately. Elderly pugilism at its best. Only in The Villages.

[TexaninVA]

The Villages "Toughman Contest" in the townsquares. Participants could drive their carts to the ring. All would need spectacular robes. All would need a theme, or a catchy name, like, The Wisconsin Whopper, The Minnesota Menace, The Ageless Wonder, etc. They could wear their sponsors on their robes, like, Viagra, Cialis, Preparation H, Bengay, Fiber One, Buick,Old Spice etc. All would have introductory song to the ring. Lets do this. Contact Morse immediately. Elderly pugilism at its best. Only in The Villages.

This is a great idea ... I especially like the notion of sponsorship. :)

Actually, after a while, everyone might realize how ridiculous and pointless golf cart road rage really is.

[Bobcuse]

and you could not have put your car in "park" and tried to stop the incident or at least be a witness to what had happened ----and told police what you observed ---i do not understand why some people will take the time to write about an incident but yet not get involved when there involvement could have made a difference in the outcome ----

It's always comforting to have responses like this when you are using TOTV to report an experience. In one of the busiest streets in TV (Morse Blvd) at dinner time, I should have put my car in park, blocked the only remaining access for vehicles heading north (the two gold carts with fighting drivers blocked the other lanes), and done what exactly? Walk into the middle of this brawl? It would have been akin to stepping in between two large dogs fighting, both of whom were bigger than me! Come on .....think before you engage your fingers on here please. The police were called and responded quickly. I had no idea what prompted this altercation and therefore had nothing of any value to add. This was a disgraceful public nuisance incident not a robbery or shooting.

[Polar Bear]

It's always comforting to have responses like this when you are using TOTV to report an experience. In one of the busiest streets in TV (Morse Blvd) at dinner time, I should have put my car in park, blocked the only remaining access for vehicles heading north (the two gold carts with fighting drivers blocked the other lanes), and done what exactly? Walk into the middle of this brawl? It would have been akin to stepping in between two large dogs fighting, both of whom were bigger than me! Come on .....think before you engage your fingers on here please. The police were called and responded quickly. I had no idea what prompted this altercation and therefore had nothing of any value to add. This was a disgraceful public nuisance incident not a robbery or shooting.

Totally support you, Bobuse. You did the right thing.

[graciegirl]

I love this forum, because it is so easy to decide who is reasonable in their approach to life and who is not.

[raynan]

Bobcuse,
You definitely did the right thing. They could have both turned on you and these days you never know what will cause a "brawl" to escalate to a shooting or knifing.
Nancy

[rubicon]

From another thread, it was suggested that carts have some kind of identification sticker to be able to report these kinds of incidents to the authorities. I, at first, thought this was an un necessary thing, now, I'm not so sure.

Kahuna: I made that suggestion two years ago to the district. We need a manner of identifying who is traveling on our multi-modal pathways

If I had come upon those two ragers, unlike bobcause, I would have stopped and tried to sell tickets to the fight and hawked it as a comedy

[Big O]

Kahuna: I made that suggestion two years ago to the district. We need a manner of identifying who is traveling on our multi-modal pathways

If I had come upon those two ragers, unlike bobcause, I would have stopped and tried to sell tickets to the fight and hawked it as a comedy


Although at first blush I agree with you, I remember that back in Ohio every time you registered something the politicians would use it as way to tax it. And then it was off to the races. I'm taxed enough and don't want to open the door to more regulation and the taxes that come along with it.

[Mikeod]

It's always comforting to have responses like this when you are using TOTV to report an experience. In one of the busiest streets in TV (Morse Blvd) at dinner time, I should have put my car in park, blocked the only remaining access for vehicles heading north (the two gold carts with fighting drivers blocked the other lanes), and done what exactly? Walk into the middle of this brawl? It would have been akin to stepping in between two large dogs fighting, both of whom were bigger than me! Come on .....think before you engage your fingers on here please. The police were called and responded quickly. I had no idea what prompted this altercation and therefore had nothing of any value to add. This was a disgraceful public nuisance incident not a robbery or shooting.
I agree. You took the correct option. As you said, there was no place for you to pull over without creating an additional traffic hazard.

[CFrance]

It's always comforting to have responses like this when you are using TOTV to report an experience. In one of the busiest streets in TV (Morse Blvd) at dinner time, I should have put my car in park, blocked the only remaining access for vehicles heading north (the two gold carts with fighting drivers blocked the other lanes), and done what exactly? Walk into the middle of this brawl? It would have been akin to stepping in between two large dogs fighting, both of whom were bigger than me! Come on .....think before you engage your fingers on here please. The police were called and responded quickly. I had no idea what prompted this altercation and therefore had nothing of any value to add. This was a disgraceful public nuisance incident not a robbery or shooting.
I said it before, and I'll repeat it... you did the right thing staying out of that. And I like your turn of phrase, "I... therefore had nothing of any value to add." Amen.

[ronat1]

Not Golfer, I was in a similar situation, waiting at a stop sign to pull out in my golf cart when another golf cart didn't pause and went around me. I noticed he was a Yankee fan.

I'm not a Yankees fan by any means, but what does the fact that you noticed this person was a Yankee fan have anything to do with this topic?

[graciegirl]

I'm not a Yankees fan by any means, but what does the fact that you noticed this person was a Yankee fan have anything to do with this topic?


Nothing. My attempt at humor obviously failed.

[Big O]

Nothing. My attempt at humor obviously failed.

Not entirely.

[BobnBev]

Nothing. My attempt at humor obviously failed.
It didn't fail me, gg, but then again....well, you know:ohdear:

[red tail]

I'm not a Yankees fan by any means, but what does the fact that you noticed this person was a Yankee fan have anything to do with this topic?

see nr 18 for your answer

[whybeglum]

My guess is a meth crazed incident.. Its everywhere and yep its in TV land too

[BobnBev]

My guess is a meth crazed incident.. Its everywhere and yep its in TV land too

Oh sure, 2 old guys on Meth.....that has to be the answer...:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

[rp001]

If there was a violent incident, the police were at the scene as stated , there should have been a ticket or arrest. I can find nothing regarding this from any news source. I believe any assault on a person over 65 in Fl is a felony.

[Mikeod]

If there was a violent incident, the police were at the scene as stated , there should have been a ticket or arrest. I can find nothing regarding this from any news source. I believe any assault on a person over 65 in Fl is a felony.

Could it be that the one attacked didn't want to press charges?

[Bruiser1]

The Villages "Toughman Contest" in the townsquares. Participants could drive their carts to the ring. All would need spectacular robes. All would need a theme, or a catchy name, like, The Wisconsin Whopper, The Minnesota Menace, The Ageless Wonder, etc. They could wear their sponsors on their robes, like, Viagra, Cialis, Preparation H, Bengay, Fiber One, Buick,Old Spice etc. All would have introductory song to the ring. Lets do this. Contact Morse immediately. Elderly pugilism at its best. Only in The Villages.

Gate receipts could go to local charity, foodshelf


Think of the popcorn sales!:popcorn:

"Lets get ready to RUMBLE!!!!!:boxing2:

[NoMoSno]

I believe any assault on a person over 65 in Fl is a felony.

I know there is a law regarding over 65 assaults.
However, if someone over 65 starts swinging at me (just under 65) do I have to stand there and take it?

[cquick]

I think some of the road patterns along Morse north of 466 are just plain confusing! Honestly! something should be done!

[Steve9930]

My wife and I were in the car headed north on Morse Blvd around 4:25 pm today and as we came to a stop for the red light at the intersection at Rio Grande we witnessed a shocking and sad incident. Two golf carts were traveling north on Morse and one had moved into the right turning lane and the other was in the golf cart lane going straight. We didn't notice anything unusual until we heard the screech of tires as the cart going straight slammed on his breaks to avoid striking the cart in front of him. At the same time, the cart in the turning lane suddenly stopped right next to that cart and the driver jumped out and reached into the first cart and tried to grab and strike the driver. He was yelling something but we couldn't hear what they said. The driver being attacked jumped out of his cart and ran around in front of his cart and confronted the other man. They both raised their fists and the original aggressor took a couple of swings but the other man moved back and said something like "I don't want to fight" and "what did I do?" But the first man continue to be aggressive. The light changed and as we were pulling away (I couldn't pull over there) I could see them both rolling on the pavement. Other cars had stopped and we saw a police car coming down Morse so I assume it was stopped. Another case of apparent road rage gone bad. Very sad and disturbing to see this behavior on a public road here in TV.

In the state of Florida what the aggressor did is very dangerous. We all get angry at some other driver at some point but the man who was assaulted could have shot the aggressor. All that is necessary, in Florida, is he felt his life was in danger or he was about to receive grave bodily harm. This could have been the last day of this man's life.

[buzzy]

Oh sure, 2 old guys on Meth.....that has to be the answer...:ohdear::ohdear::ohdear:

Maybe it was medical meth.

[handyman]

Could it be that the one attacked didn't want to press charges?

Maybe the one who won was the man who was attacked,there are times that a Hothead bites off more then he can chew...........

[nitehawk]

Ah, must be those Long Island snowbird on the rampage.

Hey, that was a joke! Call off the posse.

First we have people with Yankee hats now Long Island residents------- seems to me seem some discrimination raises its ugle head ---- "Freudian Slips" Thank you we are here to stay

[CFrance]

Maybe it was medical meth.
:1rotfl::1rotfl:

[rdhdleo]

It's always comforting to have responses like this when you are using TOTV to report an experience. In one of the busiest streets in TV (Morse Blvd) at dinner time, I should have put my car in park, blocked the only remaining access for vehicles heading north (the two gold carts with fighting drivers blocked the other lanes), and done what exactly? Walk into the middle of this brawl? It would have been akin to stepping in between two large dogs fighting, both of whom were bigger than me! Come on .....think before you engage your fingers on here please. The police were called and responded quickly. I had no idea what prompted this altercation and therefore had nothing of any value to add. This was a disgraceful public nuisance incident not a robbery or shooting.

:agree: You did the right thing. Morse Blvd. is extremely busy and stopping would have caused more of a hazard than a help. As others have said you never know who is "carrying" or not, calling the police is always the best option.

[DAWN MARIE]

Been there, done that, too many times! What on earth is the hurry?

I think they're in a hurry to save their seats at the square! Can't be late for that. :undecided:

[Steve & Deanna]

As I told some guy driving up Canal Street that seemed REALLY irritated that I backed our golf cart out of a parking spot last week, "A little courtesy goes a long way buddy."

Way too much traffic and rudeness this year. It can't be all Villagers, can it?

[DonH57]

As I told some guy driving up Canal Street that seemed REALLY irritated that I backed our golf cart out of a parking spot last week, "A little courtesy goes a long way buddy."

Way too much traffic and rudeness this year. It can't be all Villagers, can it?

Which way did he think you should go. LOL. I drove across the Paige Pl bridge today leaving from the square and some car came up behind me fairly fast and blew the horn. I just ignored him and continued to the light at 10 mph. After the light turned green he peeled out and went around me.

[nitehawk]

Which way did he think you should go. LOL. I drove across the Paige Pl bridge today leaving from the square and some car came up behind me fairly fast and blew the horn. I just ignored him and continued to the light at 10 mph. After the light turned green he peeled out and went around me.

Good for you --- keep up the good work

[nitehawk]

As I told some guy driving up Canal Street that seemed REALLY irritated that I backed our golf cart out of a parking spot last week, "A little courtesy goes a long way buddy."

Way too much traffic and rudeness this year. It can't be all Villagers, can it?

Yes we all have to be careful out there --- some of those snowbird are not aware of the rules of the road -- as to how has the "right of way"

[DonH57]

Good for you --- keep up the good work

A lot of people walk that bridge and cross between the Hacienda pool, the hotel and rec center and I've seen cars fly down that street. I definately see the reason for the 10 mpg zone there. Apparently others don't. I was under the impression from an article in the village news the Lady Lake police were going to start enforcing that zone but I've yet to see them.

[JourneyOfLife]

What about safe driving practices.


It seems to me everyone should keep some distance between them and the vehicle in front of them.

[Polar Bear]

...It seems to me everyone should keep some distance between them and the vehicle in front of them.

The most basic rule of all IMHO.

[handyman]

Looking forward to Lovebugs,when they are gone we will return to our Paradise and the Northern scourge will be over!

[memason]

A lot of people walk that bridge and cross between the Hacienda pool, the hotel and rec center and I've seen cars fly down that street. I definately see the reason for the 10 mpg zone there. Apparently others don't. I was under the impression from an article in the village news the Lady Lake police were going to start enforcing that zone but I've yet to see them.

Personally, I think the 10mph limit is overkill and it's pretty hard to drive that slow. Recently, I was thru that area and following a Lady Lake Police car. I followed him at about 25mph, so I think their enforcement of that ridiculous speed limit is unlikely; unless you are going 40 through there.

Actually, if you "try" to drive 10mph through that stretch, golf carts [and bicycles] will pass you...

[justjim]

Good to know that everything will be okay when "The Birds" fly north. When we don't blame the Developer for something we blame the Snowbirds.

Accidents happen and just because people retire and move to TV doesn't necessarily change their personality. Folks with a trigger temper most likely still have the same and as we get older some go back to being children again.

[nitehawk]

Looking forward to Lovebugs,when they are gone we will return to our Paradise and the Northern scourge will be over!

What are you talking about ??????? Paradise??????? Northern scourge??????

[Bay Kid]

Yes we all have to be careful out there --- some of those snowbird are not aware of the rules of the road -- as to how has the "right of way"

How can you be sure it is a 'snowbird'? I am a 'snowbird', as you call 6 month a year people that pay all year, but I am passed almost daily. Most of the carts flying by me seem to the people here all the time. Could it be renters, or visiting children/grandchildren that don't know the rules? Just saying one shouldn't blame any group, as I just did, without knowing.

Love TV! :gc:

[Barefoot]

Looking forward to Lovebugs,when they are gone we will return to our Paradise and the Northern scourge will be over!

"Scourge ... a person or thing that causes great trouble and suffering."

:girlneener: "Northern scourge".

You are trying to be funny, right?

[CFrance]

"Scourge ... a person or thing that causes great trouble and suffering."

:girlneener: "Northern scourge".

You are trying to be funny, right?

If he is, it's falling flat.:rant-rave:

[nitehawk]

As I told some guy driving up Canal Street that seemed REALLY irritated that I backed our golf cart out of a parking spot last week, "A little courtesy goes a long way buddy."

Way too much traffic and rudeness this year. It can't be all Villagers, can it?

Yes we all have to be careful out there --- some of those snowbird are not aware of the rules of the road -- as to how has the "right of way"

How can you be sure it is a 'snowbird'? I am a 'snowbird', as you call 6 month a year people that pay all year, but I am passed almost daily. Most of the carts flying by me seem to the people here all the time. Could it be renters, or visiting children/grandchildren that don't know the rules? Just saying one shouldn't blame any group, as I just did, without knowing.

Love TV! :gc:

I am sorry for using the word snowbird -- should have been "village golf cart drivers" I cant see why anyone would be irritated when a golf cart backs out of a parking spot -- in front of an oncoming vehicle ( assumption )-----"A little courtesy goes a long way buddy."

[justjim]

As noted on page C1 of the Daily Sun (yesterday) 13 golf cart deaths in TV in the last four years. Driving a golf cart is serious business---very serious. RIP.

I don't know how many deaths were caused by full-time residents or part-time residents and I doubt anyone has those numbers.

Really, that's not the point. It's obvious that we have to slow down and drive our golf carts more carefully. I see seatbelts in the future ---for every cart. As far as "crazy" men/women, that is above my pay grade.

[DonH57]

Always look back and check twice when backing a cart out of the parking spot. The way some clowns fly down the lot it only takes a split second. The cart is harder to see and the other driver is only focussed on a spot in the other isle he may be lucky to get to.

[Paulz]

Last night I had my first encounter with road rage in TV, going through Turtle Mound (south) around 9pm. I was 6 carts back in a traffic jam, going about 16mph. The guy behind took exception to me leaving 4-5 lengths between me and the cart in front so passed me going into a curve at which point I blew my horn. When he got to the ramp at the tunnel going under 466a he slammed on his brakes, lucky I gave him 4-5 length courtesy. I stopped and he waved me around which I proceeded to do very slowly. He then got on my butt screaming as I slowly entered the tunnel. When we got back on the main path i speeded up to 22 and he went by me at 27-28, to sandwich in before the curve at BV, as the caravan was still going 16-17.

In the future I will let them pass, not hit the horn and give them lots of room. Rather have a hot head in front of me than behind.

[The Buckeyes]

If everyone in the Villages is for the most part retired....what's the hurry?

[dillywho]

Last night I had my first encounter with road rage in TV, going through Turtle Mound (south) around 9pm. I was 6 carts back in a traffic jam, going about 16mph. The guy behind took exception to me leaving 4-5 lengths between me and the cart in front so passed me going into a curve at which point I blew my horn. When he got to the ramp at the tunnel going under 466a he slammed on his brakes, lucky I gave him 4-5 length courtesy. I stopped and he waved me around which I proceeded to do very slowly. He then got on my butt screaming as I slowly entered the tunnel. When we got back on the main path i speeded up to 22 and he went by me at 27-28, to sandwich in before the curve at BV, as the caravan was still going 16-17.

In the future I will let them pass, not hit the horn and give them lots of room. Rather have a hot head in front of me than behind.

Unfortunately, it's not just cart drivers. The other day at Morse and 466, there was a line waiting for the left turn signal to go green again. The other light was green and some car pulled out of the line into the go-straight lane and turned left going west on 466. Like others say, "What is the hurry?" If you're late, just be late or leave earlier.:swear:

[BS Beef]

As noted on page C1 of the Daily Sun (yesterday) 13 golf cart deaths in TV in the last four years. Driving a golf cart is serious business---very serious. RIP.

I don't know how many deaths were caused by full-time residents or part-time residents and I doubt anyone has those numbers.

Really, that's not the point. It's obvious that we have to slow down and drive our golf carts more carefully. I see seatbelts in the future ---for every cart. As far as "crazy" men/women, that is above my pay grade.

Is that the real statistic??? Oh my gosh I would never have guessed. Is that all from accidents? That's a huge # of deaths in a community of 100,000. Scary and very sad.

[justjim]

Last night I had my first encounter with road rage in TV, going through Turtle Mound (south) around 9pm. I was 6 carts back in a traffic jam, going about 16mph. The guy behind took exception to me leaving 4-5 lengths between me and the cart in front so passed me going into a curve at which point I blew my horn. When he got to the ramp at the tunnel going under 466a he slammed on his brakes, lucky I gave him 4-5 length courtesy. I stopped and he waved me around which I proceeded to do very slowly. He then got on my butt screaming as I slowly entered the tunnel. When we got back on the main path i speeded up to 22 and he went by me at 27-28, to sandwich in before the curve at BV, as the caravan was still going 16-17.

In the future I will let them pass, not hit the horn and give them lots of room. Rather have a hot head in front of me than behind.

As mentioned before----"hot head personalities " rarely change after retirement. :gc: With around 50,000 golf carts and 100,000 or so people in TV, you are going to have a few "crazy" people.

[Steve9930]

Last night I had my first encounter with road rage in TV, going through Turtle Mound (south) around 9pm. I was 6 carts back in a traffic jam, going about 16mph. The guy behind took exception to me leaving 4-5 lengths between me and the cart in front so passed me going into a curve at which point I blew my horn. When he got to the ramp at the tunnel going under 466a he slammed on his brakes, lucky I gave him 4-5 length courtesy. I stopped and he waved me around which I proceeded to do very slowly. He then got on my butt screaming as I slowly entered the tunnel. When we got back on the main path i speeded up to 22 and he went by me at 27-28, to sandwich in before the curve at BV, as the caravan was still going 16-17.

In the future I will let them pass, not hit the horn and give them lots of room. Rather have a hot head in front of me than behind.

Word of wisdom, never argue or expect anything rational from and idiot. Not only did the driver put you at risk but also himself and others. His cart is also illegal. Which does not surprise me.

[DonH57]

Word of wisdom, never argue or expect anything rational from and idiot. Not only did the driver put you at risk but also himself and others. His cart is also illegal. Which does not surprise me.

I agree. All you can do is drive defensively just as in a car. I think the reason for all the jacked up illegal carts is these drivers know there is no speed enforcement on the paths and trails. They will only get caught when they forget they may be on a main road at some point on some given day.

[ajbrown]

Last night I had my first encounter with road rage in TV, going through Turtle Mound (south) around 9pm. I was 6 carts back in a traffic jam, going about 16mph. The guy behind took exception to me leaving 4-5 lengths between me and the cart in front so passed me going into a curve at which point I blew my horn. When he got to the ramp at the tunnel going under 466a he slammed on his brakes, lucky I gave him 4-5 length courtesy. I stopped and he waved me around which I proceeded to do very slowly. He then got on my butt screaming as I slowly entered the tunnel. When we got back on the main path i speeded up to 22 and he went by me at 27-28, to sandwich in before the curve at BV, as the caravan was still going 16-17.

In the future I will let them pass, not hit the horn and give them lots of room. Rather have a hot head in front of me than behind.

It is a hard thing to not let an :swear: know what you are thinking when something like that happens. I am getting better at it, it is work in progress for sure. The issue with telling them what you think is they probably have heard it many times and simply do not believe it ....

I do not mind golf cart speeders. I feel like they know the rules and can make that choice. I mind dangerous drivers, tailgating, passing in crazy places with no regard for others, etc.

I have a dark spot for tailgaters, they make everyone's life a bit worse on what would be an other wise beautiful golf cart ride...

PS. Thank you for not tailgating.

[patfla06]

This story is just unbelieveable!
Aren't we supposed to have maturity and life experience
that keeps us from behaving like morons?

What is the darn hurry????
Maybe these people should cut down on some activities
so they are not rushing through life and mowing
the rest of us down who are in their way?

[Bay Kid]

I am sorry for using the word snowbird -- should have been "village golf cart drivers" I cant see why anyone would be irritated when a golf cart backs out of a parking spot -- in front of an oncoming vehicle ( assumption )-----"A little courtesy goes a long way buddy."

I was just messing you Nitehawk. I think the whole world is going crazy and I am the only one that is ok! Drivers are drivers. I like to enjoy the view.

[scot_atc]

I think some of the road patterns along Morse north of 466 are just plain confusing! Honestly! something should be done!

If you move the food dish the dog may starve.

[Bay Kid]

Passed twice yesterday by the same guy. I let him pass going by Saddlebrook golf course. He was pushing so I moved over. Then he took a so called short cut thru Laurel Manor parking lot and ended up behind me again. I hope he made it where he going.

[DonH57]

Passed twice yesterday by the same guy. I let him pass going by Saddlebrook golf course. He was pushing so I moved over. Then he took a so called short cut thru Laurel Manor parking lot and ended up behind me again. I hope he made it where he going.

LOL. Sounds like the same guy behind me one day and he was really upset that I was in front. At the first turn he tryed to short cut thru the parking lot and came out behind me and that really set him off. I hade my radio on so I couldn't hear him but he was so red faced I could tell his language was not pleasant. I was laughing so hard I started to choke.

[Steve9930]

I agree. All you can do is drive defensively just as in a car. I think the reason for all the jacked up illegal carts is these drivers know there is no speed enforcement on the paths and trails. They will only get caught when they forget they may be on a main road at some point on some given day.

One of these days there is going to be a very serious mishap on these cart paths between carts. Even at 19 MPH two Golf carts on a collision course is more then enough energy to kill all aboard in both carts. Carts are far more dangerous then any vehicle. Few have any safety equipment installed. I think there is a tendency for people to get complacent about operating a golf cart.

[Sueclark]

As friendly as everyone can be here in TV, there are a select few who can be rude, impatient and always in some sort of "power struggle." We were driving thru one of the tunnels in our golfcart and a guy in a golfcart honked his horn, for no good reason. It was scary and totally unnecessary. People need to realize that, just like in their car, a bit of courtesy and compromise always works better in the longrun. Life's too short!!!

[memason]

As friendly as everyone can be here in TV, there are a select few who can be rude, impatient and always in some sort of "power struggle." We were driving thru one of the tunnels in our golfcart and a guy in a golfcart honked his horn, for no good reason. It was scary and totally unnecessary. People need to realize that, just like in their car, a bit of courtesy and compromise always works better in the longrun. Life's too short!!!

Lots of people honk their horns in tunnels...it's for good luck.

But, I guess it can be scary... just kidding...what's scary about a horn?

[Indydealmaker]

I agree. All you can do is drive defensively just as in a car. I think the reason for all the jacked up illegal carts is these drivers know there is no speed enforcement on the paths and trails. They will only get caught when they forget they may be on a main road at some point on some given day.

I think many of these "GoGoGranpa" types may be surprised to learn that they can be ticketed on the multimodal paths. They may be private property, but just as parking lots are private, they are also public access. As such, a law enforcement officer can choose to enforce the law to protect the public safety. Driving a golf cart faster than 20 means the driver is piloting an illegal, unregistered vehicle. He CAN be nailed on the multimodals. Not to mention, 99% of the time, that illegal cart on the multimodals must access that public access path via the public streets.

Actually, this should not even be a topic under consideration. Normally, these types of cautions and advice are given by parents to their children. Why do supposedly "mature" adults need to be told to obey the law and be concerned about their own safety as well as that of their neighbors?

[buggyone]

Besides the police doing a citation, there is also the insurance issue if you are in a souped up cart and have any type of accident that needs to be reported to your insurance company. You will find that the insurance company will be reluctant to pay if the cart goes over the 20 mph limit. You may find yourself having to pay out of pocket for a lawsuit and lose what you have worked for all your life.

[DonH57]

Besides the police doing a citation, there is also the insurance issue if you are in a souped up cart and have any type of accident that needs to be reported to your insurance company. You will find that the insurance company will be reluctant to pay if the cart goes over the 20 mph limit. You may find yourself having to pay out of pocket for a lawsuit and lose what you have worked for all your life.

Besides the possibility of getting cited or having an reportable incident and paying out of pocket losing stuff, it certainly hasn't phased quite a few of these souped up carts.

[annaconner]

I get really irritated when drivers go the wrong way in the parking lot, be it car or cart.

[buzzy]

After an accident, how would the insurance company know that you have a souped-up cart? Do the police take the cart for a test drive to see if it can exceed 20 MPH?

[buggyone]

After an accident, how would the insurance company know that you have a souped-up cart? Do the police take the cart for a test drive to see if it can exceed 20 MPH?


I understand there is some sort of a pin or something in the motor of a golf cart that is removed to make it go beyond the 20 mph. But, whatever it is, the insurance companies know what to look for. It is their business and they do it quite well.

[CFrance]

I think many of these "GoGoGranpa" types may be surprised to learn that they can be ticketed on the multimodal paths. They may be private property, but just as parking lots are private, they are also public access. As such, a law enforcement officer can choose to enforce the law to protect the public safety. Driving a golf cart faster than 20 means the driver is piloting an illegal, unregistered vehicle. He CAN be nailed on the multimodals. Not to mention, 99% of the time, that illegal cart on the multimodals must access that public access path via the public streets.

Actually, this should not even be a topic under consideration. Normally, these types of cautions and advice are given by parents to their children. Why do supposedly "mature" adults need to be told to obey the law and be concerned about their own safety as well as that of their neighbors?

Therein lies the problem. Maturity doesn't necessarily come with adulthood.:girlneener:

[DonH57]

I would believe an insurance company would refuse to pay a claim until a cart could be examined immediately following an accident. Just my guess.

[Steve9930]

If you currently drive an illegal Golf Cart and something happens, just keep the whining to yourself, you have been warned. Do the crime, you will do the time.