TV Survey, are there issues for Singles?

[kittygilchrist]

I've heard that we only get one ID for the price of two. Is that fair? Are there more important issues we should rally around?

[njbchbum]

1 ID for the price of 2? Maybe you could be more specific?

We are two people with ownership of one house and pay one amenity fee with each of us having an individual ID.

Are you thinking that one owner should pay one amenity fee and have two IDs? It is my belief that each owner has their personal ID and each property is assessed one amenity fee.

[kittygilchrist]

1 ID for the price of 2? Maybe you could be more specific?

We are two people with ownership of one house and pay one amenity fee with each of us having an individual ID.

Are you thinking that one owner should pay one amenity fee and have two IDs? It is my belief that each owner has their personal ID and each property is assessed one amenity fee.

I'm saying only that single homeowners pay the same price for amenities as couples. If there is no other habitant, the price is the same.

[DougB]

I've heard that we only get one ID for the price of two. Is that fair? Are there more important issues we should rally around?

No one pays for two. You pay amenities fees per household. If you have 4 living there, you can get 4 ID's. Say a married couple and their two dependent children over 19 that live with. And I guess by your logic, all 4 for the price of one.

[graciegirl]

No one pays for two. You pay amenities fees per household. If you have 4 living there, you can get 4 ID's. Say a married couple and their two dependent children over 19 that live with. And I guess by your logic, all 4 for the price of one.



Whoever is listed on the deed gets an ID.

[DougB]

Whoever is listed on the deed gets an ID.

Dependent adult children also get an ID.

[maybe]

I think the bad aspect of the current rules is that a single person cannot even get a guest card for someone unless that guest lives outside a 50 mile radius of The Villages. Guest cards do not even give all the privileges that a resident card does, but it is better than nothing. It seems reasonable to me that they could allow one guest card to anyone designated by the owner of a house which has only one resident card issued. Alternatively, a single resident could have a "single resident" card which allows them to always bring a guest along who has full resident privileges.

[kittygilchrist]

Bill's idea articulates the heart of the matter...if a single person wants to bring a friend who lives within 50 miles to an event, you can't. So for singles, you can't bring a date to a dance, for example, unless they live too far away to come to one....

I did not know dependents would also get an I.D. Can a renter in your home get an I.D.?

[billethkid]

The taxes and amenities and maintenance fees are all on the same basis.....whether there are one, two or more owners. Certain "things" just have to be on a household basis to be equitable. Those who are single are not being treated any differently than households with two or four owners.

If there were any other criteria than household or owners then a whole Pandora's box opens wide for all households and who should get how many based on _ ? _.

On the over 50 mile rule there are temporary guest passes issued for one year at a time for individuals that meet select criteria. It has been a while and I forget the rules....just call to find out about in the area guest passes.

[kittygilchrist]

Yeah, I agree with on that, BTK, it makes more sense than singles being in higher tax brackets.

[maybe]

The taxes and amenities and maintenance fees are all on the same basis.....whether there are one, two or more owners. Certain "things" just have to be on a household basis to be equitable. Those who are single are not being treated any differently than households with two or four owners.

If there were any other criteria than household or owners then a whole Pandora's box opens wide for all households and who should get how many based on _ ? _.

On the over 50 mile rule there are temporary guest passes issued for one year at a time for individuals that meet select criteria. It has been a while and I forget the rules....just call to find out about in the area guest passes.
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I am not sure how allowing a single, sole owner to always bring another person has to open up any box, Pandora's or otherwise. And the only exception to the 50 mile guest card rule I have heard of is one that allows certain close relatives such as grandchildren----- not appropriate dating material!

[chachacha]

thanks for starting this thread, bill...i have written about this before and even had a petition with over 200 signatures but we were put off until "next year" which never resolved anything. i can understand limiting golfing, but i cannot understand why a single buyer cannot get a guest pass for a companion, issued at purchase, which they can use with the date or friend of their choice, no matter where they live. for other activities. i am just tired of fighting it!

[manaboutown]

Whoever is listed on the deed gets an ID.

What if the deed is held by a trust? In order to avoid probate (in CA - and elsewhere) and for other reasons I hold my homes in a trust. Were I to purchase a home in The Villages, and I may very well do so, I would hope to hold it in a trust.

[redwitch]

I'm totally in agreement that singles should be allowed to bring guests to certain events, like dances, regardless of where the guest lives. It really is unfair and limiting.

I remember when a huge stink was raised because support group meetings being held in rec centers were going to be opened to anyone who needed that group would be allowed to come, again regardless of where they lived. Compassion seemed to be thrown out the window for the right to keep TV for TVers. So far as I know, the ones who come to these meetings do not abuse the privilege and use other private TV facilities.

[graciegirl]

I think that the passes are meant for homeowners. I don't think they are meant to hurt or exclude singles friends. How could you keep these rules easy to regulate if a single had a steady date who had a card and that guy/girl was out the door and then they applied for another card for the new main squeeze and the jilted guy still had his card?

I know this sounds mean, and I don't mean it to be.


I am playing devils advocate here. It is like cart identification. A good idea but a nightmare to police. Maybe I am not understanding which events and amenities the friends are excluded from.


dangling participle.

[manaboutown]

thanks for starting this thread, bill...i have written about this before and even had a petition with over 200 signatures but we were put off until "next year" which never resolved anything. i can understand limiting golfing, but i cannot understand why a single buyer cannot get a guest pass for a companion, issued at purchase, which they can use with the date or friend of their choice, no matter where they live. for other activities. i am just tired of fighting it!

:agree:

I remember this topic from last year. There must be some way to accommodate single home owners who want to bring a date to "official" TV events and/or TV facilities. After all, single homeowners pay the same amenities fees as households having two or more residents.

Perhaps a single homeowner/long term renter could be issued a card showing they are single which would allow them to bring a date. No need to issue additional cards.

[chachacha]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;845201]I think that the passes are meant for homeowners. I don't think they are meant to hurt or exclude singles friends. How could you keep these rules easy to regulate if a single had a steady date who had a card and that guy/girl was out the door and then they applied for another card for the new main squeeze....


gracie, i am not talking about a card given to the guest, but a one-time card given to the purchaser saying they are single and entitled to bring one guest of their choice to non-golfing events such as dances and club meetings. this would make life so much nicer for single residents and could not be abused very easily. all of us may be single at some point after the death of a spouse or a breakup and then would understand.

[maybe]

I think that the passes are meant for homeowners. I don't think they are meant to hurt or exclude singles friends. How could you keep these rules easy to regulate if a single had a steady date who had a card and that guy/girl was out the door and then they applied for another card for the new main squeeze and the jilted guy still had his card?

I know this sounds mean, and I don't mean it to be.


I am playing devils advocate here. It is like cart identification. A good idea but a nightmare to police. Maybe I am not understanding which events and amenities the friends are excluded from.


dangling participle.

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The standard guest card is only good for a maximum of one month. A guest must get a new one through the resident every month, at least that is what I had to do as a long term guest last year. As to the guest card, I am only asking that the over-50-mile requirement be eliminated for single house owners. A totally separate change would simply allow single house owners to have their ID card marked as such, which would allow them to bring a guest[with no card at all] along WITH the owner to any event requiring Village ID.

[kittygilchrist]

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The standard guest card is only good for a maximum of one month. A guest must get a new one through the resident every month, at least that is what I had to do as a long term guest last year. As to the guest card, I am only asking that the over-50-mile requirement be eliminated for single house owners. A totally separate change would simply allow single house owners to have their ID card marked as such, which would allow them to bring a guest[with no card at all] along WITH the owner to any event requiring Village ID.

What do you suppose it would take to lobby for a change like that?

[redwitch]

Good luck, Kitty. Maybe if you could get a petition signed by at least 50% of TVers? A petition signed just by singles wouldn't do the trick, I don't think. You'd have to convince the powers that be that the majority would not object; that it would be in the best interests of all.

I don't like the idea of an ID card marked as single; I prefer that a single homeowner be issued two ID cards -- one blank for guests (which would tell anyone checking IDs to be sure that the guest is accompanied by the resident) and the regular ID for the homeowner. This way, you could invite your favorite tennis partner from Stonecrest to play doubles with you; your dear friend from Lady Lake to join you at a card game in the rec center; your favorite date to come dancing with you.

[DianeM]

I would hate my ID card marked "single". It's another case of putting a scarlet "S" on my chest to point me out. My single status is fine - not ashamed of it - but geesh - I think it's absurd to request something like that on an ID card. Give me 2 ID cards if you absolutely feel that's necessary but otherwise that last thing I want is to be culled from the rest of the room because - OH NO - SHE's SINGLE - according to her ID card.

[2BNTV]

I think a single owned home should be allowed two cards. One for the owner and one for whomever, they designate as a special guest.

At the same time in a dually owned home, (husband and wife), allowed four gate access badges ? If that is the case, then single owners, should be allowed two resident I.D's. I find it hard to believe that husband and wife, need to share their gate passes.

I just find it funny, that the powers to be assume, that us teenagers would hand the extra I.D. to anyone. If I wanted to take a date somewhere, or had a family visitor, it should be able to be done, without fuss and muss.

I don't agree this is an equitable situation, but a double standard. I think these passes would be treated like giving your house key to a trusted friend. You wouldn't just let anyone have it. It can also be reported as missing to the powers that be.

This should be rectified immediately and plan to put it on the survey.

I wonder if this is legal? It sounds like a form of descrimination against singles.

What do you think?

[maybe]

By "single owner" on the card, I had in mind "sole owner on the deed", not one's marital status. The Villages could accomplish the same thing by giving "sole owners" a second card that is only valid when accompanied by the sole resident owner. It does not have to be actually on the owner's card. The justification for this is that it would help equalize the benefits of sole owners with those of dual owners. Houses with more than one name on the deed would not be eligible, since they would already have 2 resident ID cards.

[2BNTV]

I bow to your superior knowledge. :bowdown:

It sounds good to me. :smiley: