Are any areas of TV more prone to sinkholes?

[ducati1974]

Can anyone tell me if there are any areas of TV that are more prone to sinkholes? I'm specifically interested in the Belvedere area. Please cite specific occurrences as proof of your argument.

[Barefoot]

Can anyone tell me if there are any areas of TV that are more prone to sinkholes? I'm specifically interested in the Belvedere area. Please cite specific occurrences as proof of your argument.

We have happily lived in Belvedere Village since 2007. We've had two houses during that time, both backing on golf courses. No problem getting Sink Hole Insurance. BV is an awesome place to live ... Convenient to Town Squares and 5 minutes to Publix, Bonefish, Bealls, Walmart, Red Lobster, Olive Garden, Giovani's, Buffalo Ridge, Southern Trace, Library, private Dog Park, Crispers, :blahblahblah::blahblahblah:

[perrjojo]

Sink holes are like tornadoes...where will they strike? There is a risk here but what kind of risk are you willing to accept wherever you live?

[Steve9930]

Can anyone tell me if there are any areas of TV that are more prone to sinkholes? I'm specifically interested in the Belvedere area. Please cite specific occurrences as proof of your argument.

There is a map on the internet that will show you the concentrations of sink holes.

[karengfw]

Ok, I've been here over 3 years and I just heard about ONE sinkhole in a backyard area near the woods behind Stonecrest. That is the ONLY one I've ever heard of and I work in real estate where disclosure is mandatory. So I think you can safely move into The Villages where ever you like a home and neighborhood, just ask to be sure they disclose before you contract a home. But please, everyone, feel free to chime in if you know of any others. I'm also interested in knowing where there ARE sinkholes. I thought they are mostly nearer to Tampa.

[janmcn]

Two homes in the 2800 block of Manor Downs in Belvedere had extensive sink hole damage in 2012. Read all about it from the Daily Sun.


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/sinkholes-displace-two-villages-homeowners-55844/

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/villages-sinkhole-article-belvedere-55677/


To read more threads on sinkholes, do a search for sinkholes in Belvedere.

[xkeowner]

There was a sinkhole/house condemned about 2-3 blocks NE of Cane Garden two or three years ago. Too lazy tonight to try and research the exact location.

[Bogie Shooter]

Just because there was doesn't mean there will be.

[mickey100]

We have friends who live over by Tierra Del Sol, and there were a couple of houses there that encountered sink holes on their property, which they had repaired. A friend lives up Lopez, and 4 or 5 houses in his neighborhood had foundation cracks that were determined to be caused by sink holes and were repaired. There have been dozens of sinkholes reported in The Villages in the past. Here is a link which contains links to news stories reporting these occurrences. Sinkholes in The Villages Florida - What You Need to Know (http://www.thevillagesfloridabook.com/sinkholes-in-the-villages-what-you-need-to-know/)

[OpusX1]

Not scientific just my opinion but it seems to me that most sinkholes happen near retention ponds. As stated the Manor Downs sink hole was on/in a pond affecting the houses overlooking the pond. We live in Belvedere with a view of Churchill golf course and love the location. Been here six years and can't recall any other sinkholes in Belvedere.

[jnieman]

There was a good size sink hole in Mallory a couple of years ago. If you can get sinkhole insurance I think it would be good to purchase it. It isn't available on many pre-owned homes. One of the questions an insurance agency may ask you when you apply to get a homeowner's policy is "are there any past or present sinkholes on the property". There are many threads here about sinkholes.

[graciegirl]

Just because there was doesn't mean there will be.



Another tee shirt opportunity.




Sinkholes in The Villages


Just because there was doesn't mean there will be.

[billethkid]

this is strictly a guess on my part but I would think any section of TV where they did not have to truck in tons and tons of fill to level the property would be less likely to have sink holes.

There are some villages where a little grading was required and then straight to laying slabs. In other areas they trucked in sand for days to get the property leveled to the layout stakes....and then in only a few days started to lay slabs!

I know that is not the cause and just recently shown by the huge sinkhole at the Corvette Museum in Bowling Green, KY....almost 80 feet deep and 40 feet wide!! But if I had a choice, and I did, I would choose where there was minimal or no filling......I am not sure how you find that out after an area is completed.

[mickey100]

I was reading that scientists say that disrupting natural drainage patterns, such as when you put in man-made ponds etc. (golf courses) can aggravate sink hole problems when you are in an area such as The Villages, and this part of Florida, that is prone to sink holes. This is a link to a sinkhole information page put out by Lake County Fl. It has some good information about why sinkholes form. We do live in an area that is prone to sinkholes, so it pays to watch for warning signs such as cracks, etc., that are not part of normal settlement. And I would definitely get sinkhole insurance if you can. Sinkhole Information - Water Quality Services - Environmental Utilities (http://www.lakecountyfl.gov/departments/public_works/engineering/sinkhole.aspx)

[Bonanza]

There is a map on the internet that will show you the concentrations of sink holes.

When you give information on TOTV,
please don't just give partial information,
leaving everyone with a cliffhanger.

What is the URL for the site you are referring to,
so that everyone can look it up???

[rdhdleo]

Just found this site: Shows sinkhole concentrations in Florida.

Florida sinkholes map - Orlando Sentinel (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/os-florida-sinkholes-map-20130812,0,4062236.htmlpage)

[dzine]

Have lived in Florida 30 years. Sinkholes seemed to occur largely around the areas where there were many lakes, ie, Central Florida. It has to do with the limestone aquafirs and the fact that our groundwater is just a few feet underground in most of Florida. So anywhere it is possible and I've heard of them in many parts of this state and now many other states where one would not suspect they would be. Just more, it seems in central Florida. When there is a lot of rain, it causes more to occur. They are random and unable to predict, although probably areas of possibility. Like earthquakes in California, you have to hope you can get good insurance, but I read that insurance is more restricted as more occur. Do your research and check your policy. Like any insurance, do that before you need it.
:pray:

[bkcunningham1]

Underground soluble rocks cause sinkholes. Florida is comprised of mostly limestone which is soluble rock.

Sinkholes, from USGS Water-Science School (http://water.usgs.gov/edu/sinkholes.html)

Sinkholes

Sinkholes are common where the rock below the land surface is limestone, carbonate rock, salt beds, or rocks that can naturally be dissolved by groundwater circulating through them. As the rock dissolves, spaces and caverns develop underground. Sinkholes are dramatic because the land usually stays intact for a while until the underground spaces just get too big. If there is not enough support for the land above the spaces then a sudden collapse of the land surface can occur. These collapses can be small, or, as this picture shows, or they can be huge and can occur where a house or road is on top.

The most damage from sinkholes tends to occur in Florida, Texas, Alabama, Missouri, Kentucky, Tennessee, and Pennsylvania. The picture to the left shows a sinkhole that quickly opened up in Florida, apparently eating a swimming pool, some roadway, and buildings.

What is a "Sinkhole"?

A sinkhole is an area of ground that has no natural external surface drainage--when it rains, all of the water stays inside the sinkhole and typically drains into the subsurface. Sinkholes can vary from a few feet to hundreds of acres and from less than 1 to more than 100 feet deep. Some are shaped like shallow bowls or saucers whereas others have vertical walls; some hold water and form natural ponds. Typically, sinkholes form so slowly that little change is noticeable, but they can form suddenly when a collapse occurs. Such a collapse can have a dramatic effect if it occurs in an urban setting.


Areas prone to collapse sinkholes

The map (see link) shows areas of the United States where certain rock types that are susceptible to dissolution in water occur. In these areas the formation of underground cavities can form and catastrophic sinkholes can happen. These rock types are evaporites (salt, gypsum, and anhydrite) and carbonates (limestone and dolomite). Evaporite rocks underlie about 35 to 40 percent of the United States, though in many areas they are buried at great depths.



Types of sinkholes

Since Florida is prone to sinkholes, it is a good place to use to discuss some different types of sinkholes and the geologic and hydrologic processes that form them. The processes of dissolution, where surface rock that are soluble to weak acids, are dissolved, and suffosion, where cavities form below the land surface, are responsible for virtually all sinkholes in Florida.

Dissolution sinkholes
Dissolution of the limestone or dolomite is most intensive where the water first contacts the rock surface. Aggressive dissolution also occurs where flow is focussed in preexisting openings in the rock, such as along joints, fractures, and bedding planes, and in the zone of water-table fluctuation where groundwater is in contact with the atmosphere.

Cover-subsidence sinkholes
Cover-subsidence sinkholes tend to develop gradually where the covering sediments are permeable and contain sand. In areas where cover material is thicker or sediments contain more clay, cover-subsidence sinkholes are relatively uncommon, are smaller, and may go undetected for long periods.


More here: Sinkholes, from USGS Water-Science School (http://water.usgs.gov/edu/sinkholes.html)

The Science of Sinkholes | Science Features (http://www.usgs.gov/blogs/features/usgs_top_story/the-science-of-sinkholes/)

http://fl.water.usgs.gov/PDF_files/cir1182_tihansky.pdf

[Bogie Shooter]

When you give information on TOTV,
please don't just give partial information,
leaving everyone with a cliffhanger.

What is the URL for the site you are referring to,
so that everyone can look it up???

Do you have Google? A simple search on sink holes in Florida will give you that information.

[bkcunningham1]

This is really interesting.
http://www.dep.state.fl.us/geology/geologictopics/sinkhole/florida_sinkhole_poster.pdf

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

There was a sinkhole incident today on Chalmer St in Buttonwood. I believe that two houses are involved

[Bonanza]

There is a map on the internet that will show you the concentrations of sink holes.

Do you have Google? A simple search on sink holes in Florida will give you that information.

Bogie -- I am well aware of how to navigate on the internet --
i.e., how and where to go to find information.

However, since Steve9930 mentioned said map,
it would have taken nothing for him to include the URL
within his comment, instead of making all the
interested readers try to locate it.

Not everyone is computer savvy and some people might
have a problem trying to find that information.

To me, it is just common courtesy to have included
that info within his post.

[senior citizen]

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/os-sinkhole-the-villages-20140419,0,73719.story (http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/local/florida/os-sinkhole-the-villages-20140419,0,73719.story)


SINKHOLE THREATENS 2 HOMES IN THE VILLAGES

[graciegirl]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gJUso795PE4/UTo2EMBKnoI/AAAAAAAAAKA/S1z8GNlSQ1k/s640/Florida+Sinkhole.jpg

[senior citizen]

Can anyone tell me if there are any areas of TV that are more prone to sinkholes? I'm specifically interested in the Belvedere area. Please cite specific occurrences as proof of your argument.

Please read my first post above this one, showing the latest sinkhole, which I found quite easily via the newspaper.
The information is out there if you google it.

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/florida/2014/04/19/massive-sinkhole-opens-in-sumter-county/7926829/ (http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/florida/2014/04/19/massive-sinkhole-opens-in-sumter-county/7926829/)
QUITE A PHOTO SEQUENCE OF THE MOST RECENT SINK HOLE......channel 10 news. USE THE RIGHT ARROW TO ADVANCE PHOTOS. One is stuck.
My earlier post, prior to this, showed the photos from the “SUN” Sentinel newspaper.Look above this post and while reading both, keep scrolling all the way to the bottom.Catacombs?

I for one, would want to know, as a home is a big investment.We might wish to shove it under the rug or joke about it, but it surely is not funny for the homeowner.My heart goes out to them.I still remember that poor man in Brandon, Florida on the west coast…..last year.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-sinkhole-the-villages-20140419,0,4201264.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-sinkhole-the-villages-20140419,0,4201264.story)
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http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/11100/f11137/f11137.htm (http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/11100/f11137/f11137.htm)

Sinkholes of Lake County, Florida as of 2008

http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/11100/f11158/f11158.htm (http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/11100/f11158/f11158.htm)
Sinkholes of Sumter County, Florida as of 2008.

http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/11100/f11143/f11143.htm (http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/11100/f11143/f11143.htm)
Sinkholes of Marion County, Florida as of 2008

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-sinkhole-the-villages-20140419,0,4201264.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-sinkhole-the-villages-20140419,0,4201264.story)

[graciegirl]

Please read my first post above this one, showing the latest sinkhole, which I found quite easily via the newspaper.
The information is out there if you google it.

http://www.wtsp.com/story/news/local/florida/2014/04/19/massive-sinkhole-opens-in-sumter-county/7926829/
QUITE A PHOTO SEQUENCE OF THE MOST RECENT SINK HOLE......channel 10 news.
My earlier post, prior to this, showed the photos from the “SUN” Sentinel newspaper.Look above this post and while reading both, keep scrolling all the way to the bottom.Catacombs?

I for one, would want to know, as a home is a big investment.We might wish to shove it under the rug or joke about it, but it surely is not funny for the homeowner.My heart goes out to them.I still remember that poor man in Brandon, Florida on the west coast…..last year.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-sinkhole-the-villages-20140419,0,4201264.story
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http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/11100/f11137/f11137.htm

Sinkholes of Lake County, Florida as of 2008

http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/11100/f11158/f11158.htm
Sinkholes of Sumter County, Florida as of 2008.

http://fcit.usf.edu/florida/maps/pages/11100/f11143/f11143.htm
Sinkholes of Marion County, Florida as of 2008

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-sinkhole-the-villages-20140419,0,4201264.story (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/os-sinkhole-the-villages-20140419,0,4201264.story)








And this. I think you may have not have seen this thread from yesterday. All local television stations are covering it as well as our excellent online news.
https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/sink-hole-111892/

[Bogie Shooter]

Bogie -- I am well aware of how to navigate on the internet --
i.e., how and where to go to find information.

However, since Steve9930 mentioned said map,
it would have taken nothing for him to include the URL
within his comment, instead of making all the
interested readers try to locate it.

Not everyone is computer savvy and some people might
have a problem trying to find that information.

To me, it is just common courtesy to have included
that info within his post.

What if Steve did not have the URL? Sometimes unsolicited advice is not appreciated.

[senior citizen]

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/sinkhole-stunner-florida-23401590 (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/sinkhole-stunner-florida-23401590)


David Muir, ABC Sunday Evening National News, commented on the sinkhole in The Villages, Florida.

However......he did not name The Villages.....it was just called "a suburb outside of Orlando."

Same photos as were posted earlier for The Villages sinkhole.

See above hyperlink for "Sinkhole Stunner in Florida" video from ABC Sunday evening news....2 hours ago.

Let the short commercial run first.


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/images/talkofthevillages/misc/progress.gif

[perrjojo]

http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/sinkhole-stunner-florida-23401590 (http://abcnews.go.com/WNT/video/sinkhole-stunner-florida-23401590)


David Muir, ABC Sunday Evening National News, commented on the sinkhole in The Villages, Florida.

However......he did not name The Villages.....it was just called "a suburb outside of Orlando."

Same photos as were posted earlier for The Villages sinkhole.

See above hyperlink for "Sinkhole Stunner in Florida" video from ABC Sunday evening news....2 hours ago.

Let the short commercial run first.


https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/images/talkofthevillages/misc/progress.gif

We, in The Villageas are well aware of what happens here. We have television, newspapers, radio and internet. They do report this news. It seems you are constantly looking for reasons to NOT live here. If I am wrong, I apologize.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Florida is a sink hole.... LOL But we still live here just like people live in CA or Tornado Ally!

[Villageshooter]

now i wuld not be looking in buttonwood,

[gpirate]

Sink holes are like tornadoes...where will they strike? There is a risk here but what kind of risk are you willing to accept wherever you live?

Not really. A tornado you have plenty of warning prior to hitting an area and you have HO Ins that covers tornadoes. HO ins does not cover sinkholes in Fl. and you never have a warning when they will hit. Way off base with your comments on this one.

[senior citizen]

We, in The Villageas are well aware of what happens here. We have television, newspapers, radio and internet. They do report this news. It seems you are constantly looking for reasons to NOT live here. If I am wrong, I apologize.


Looking for reasons? Constantly? We just happened to end our Easter Sunday by tuning in to the ABC National News and were actually quite surprised when David Muir showcased the sinkhole in the Villages, Florida.

Thought I'd share the news video as it was quite dramatic as taken by the workmen while it was still in progress.......lots of that dirt going under.

Anyone in their right mind would be concerned. At least on the planet that I dwell on.

Also, I shared it on TOTV (not because I don't believe you all have newspaper access and televisions) just in case you were all "dancing the night away" at the squares......or else bidding your holiday guests goodbye........again, it was quite a dramatic video.

Is that a crime nowadays? Actually, I just looked, and I'm not the only one concerned about sinkholes in TV, nor feeling sorry for the homeowners. As a potential homeowner, we all need to be aware of our future investment in the "Friendliest Little Hometown".

One thing about New England, we still have free speech and the right to express varying opinions.

Personally, I'm thinking that at least with a hurricane, you have advanced warning.

Sorry to upset you, however, I can't get the image of that poor man in Brandon/Tampa being buried alive under his sinkhole.
When he went to bed that night, little did he know.........to me it was a great tragedy, ultimately for him, and for his family.

I'm sure I'm not alone. I live in the real world.


We'll be "vicariously" enjoying the Boston Marathon "live" on Direct T.V. today thanks to the Boston channel......and not dwelling on the sinkholes in Florida's lake country.

[Bogie Shooter]

We, in The Villageas are well aware of what happens here. We have television, newspapers, radio and internet. They do report this news. It seems you are constantly looking for reasons to NOT live here. If I am wrong, I apologize.

Well said.

[Bogie Shooter]

Not really. A tornado you have plenty of warning prior to hitting an area and you have HO Ins that covers tornadoes. HO ins does not cover sinkholes in Fl. and you never have a warning when they will hit. Way off base with your comments on this one.


There was very little warning to residents when the tornado hit in 2010. Tornados do often hit without any warning. Just do a Google search.
Way off base? I don't think so.

[Happydaz]

We, in The Villageas are well aware of what happens here. We have television, newspapers, radio and internet. They do report this news. It seems you are constantly looking for reasons to NOT live here. If I am wrong, I apologize.

You are correct. She has 4,278 posts and still hasn't made up her mind if she wants to move here.

[Erijo]

Dear Senior Citizen, WHAT?
Dear Happy days...Well said!

[quirky3]

It's a discussion forum, welcome to all to state their opinions.

[Bogie Shooter]

You are correct. She has 4,278 posts and still hasn't made up her mind if she wants to move here.

And most posts point out something; that is a reason for not buying here.
Or compares a situation in TV to some other area, that has no relevance.

[Moderator]

The postings have gotten off the main topic and have become posters critiquing other posters. The thread is now closed.

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