Square 1 Burgers..

[perrjojo]

I just read in the Daily Sun that Square 1 will have doggie friendly patio dinning and features a special menu for our "furry friends". :popcorn::popcorn:

[the square]

If I want to eat with dogs, I'll bring a sandwich to the dog park..

[2BNTV]

I just read in the Daily Sun that Square 1 will have doggie friendly patio dinning and features a special menu for our "furry friends". :popcorn::popcorn:

Sounds like a great place for a burger as long as they don't mix-up the meats. :jester:

It seems to be geared for gourmet burgers, so I'll visit this place of business.

The dogs are a plus in my opinion. :smiley:

[rdhdleo]

Sounds like a great place for a burger as long as they don't mix-up the meats. :jester:

It seems to be geared for gourmet burgers, so I'll visit this place of business.

The dogs are a plus in my opinion. :smiley:

:agree: We're giving it a try this afternoon!

[big guy]

I just read in the Daily Sun that Square 1 will have doggie friendly patio dinning and features a special menu for our "furry friends". :popcorn::popcorn:

I agree with "The Square"....."if I wanted to eat with the dogs I will take a sandwich to the dog park". Geez, everywhere I go there are dogs. I have nothing against pets but they don't belong in restaurants and grocery stores. It's an animal for Pete's sake! They don't wash their "hands" or wipe their butts!

[Radioman41]

Drove by about a half hour ago and they appeared full. All the outside seating was taken.

[alanmcdonald]

I was there are 11:45 today and they were lined up out the door, didn't have time to wait.

[GaryW]

We just had lunch from there,,, while the burger was good ( a double Juicy Lucy), the price was little much for it. Tasty, but not worth the 12.00. Just my thought.. Sweet Potato fries were ok,, not many of them in the bag. about hand full. But they were overly sweet. All together for 8 orders 120.05.

[billethkid]

clarification.....the OP said nothing about dogs in the restaurant....for clarification OP said:

"...doggie friendly patio..."

[perrjojo]

clarification.....the OP said nothing about dogs in the restaurant....for clarification OP said:

"...doggie friendly patio..."
There are some that just can't stand the thought of dogs being in public. I don't get it and I hope those people never live in Europe because dogs lay under the tables while you dine in most resturaunts. I guess I was feeling a little mischievous this morning and would see how many chains I could jerk.:pepper2::jester:

[bargee]

Thanks for the update,that will be one place I'll " scratch" off my list.

[keithwand]

I will still leave my 2 little dogs home.
They probably appreciate a little alone time too.

[Russ_Boston]

Weird how Florida considers the outside patio as not part of the restaurant. I guess this now goes for animals as well as smoking. It will take some time for FL to catch up with the numerous states that ban both from ANY part of the restaurant. But it will happen. Just hope I live long enough to see it.


Love dogs and love some people that smoke but please keep both away from my food.

[TNLAKEPANDA]

Thanks for the update,that will be one place I'll " scratch" off my list.

That will cut down the waiting list time.

[gerryann]

I agree with "The Square"....."if I wanted to eat with the dogs I will take a sandwich to the dog park". Geez, everywhere I go there are dogs. I have nothing against pets but they don't belong in restaurants and grocery stores. It's an animal for Pete's sake! They don't wash their "hands" or wipe their butts!

A lot of two legged people don't wash their hands or butts either.

I'll bet you're not too pleased with the person who forced you to move to a dog friendly community......

[John_W]

We went today about 12:45 and a crowd was waiting outside. We put our name on the list for 2 and waited outside with the others. After about 15 minutes we were seated. Every table around us had bigger parties of 4, 6 or even more people. I also noticed most were having mixed drinks or draft beer, the prices on the menu looked like that could get expensive. I had a basic hamburger, no cheese just onion on a sesame seed bun, it was $9.99. I had cole slaw for my side, it was different, a lot of vinegar flavor, next time I'll try something else. My wife doesn't eat much meat so she had grilled cheese. It was loaded with a lot of other ingredients for $9.49 and she had broccoli for the side, which she said was good. With a sweet tea and a Pepsi it came to $25 and change plus tip. We'll probably try them again in a few weeks when the crowds die down.

[zcaveman]

I figure May or June is a good time to try Square 1 Burgers.

Z

[big guy]

clarification.....the OP said nothing about dogs in the restaurant....for clarification OP said:

"...doggie friendly patio..."


Still part of the restaurant if they serve food and drinks there.

[Bogie Shooter]

I will still leave my 2 little dogs home.
They probably appreciate a little alone time too.

That is the common sense approach.:ho:

[rdhdleo]

Ok we just came back home from there. It was crowded but we got table for 2 inside right away. Very nice attentive friendly service. Ok Hubby had the American burger, I had the Philly Cheesesteak burger we had a full order of the onion rings, I had coleslaw with mine he had fries, he had iced tea I had diet pepsi. So our bill was just over $36 + tip! Too pricey for my taste for a burger place. The onion rings were huge and crunchy but had it not been for the chipolte ranch sauce would have been tasteless. The burgers were high quality meat I will give them that and cooked perfect and juicy but again mine was tasteless, guess they don't season anything? he said his was ok. So bottom line I think it is a nice place but I can get full nice dinners for that price. Since we are closer to 42 I doubt we'll be going there.
As for the crowds today I heard someone there say Bonifay lost power so many people headed to Square 1 there were groups of 6, 8 and 14 after we got there!

[Beechie]

OK I'll take the bait.

I for one fully understand the love one feels for their pets or should I say family members. We are dog owners but draw the line on dining out. I know this post is about Square 1 Burgers and we can't wait to try them out.

Now, here is an excerpt from a blog written by Suzanne that is worth repeating. The biggest concern most people neglect to mention...

ALLERGIES. There are millions of children and adults with severe allergies to dogs. It poses a health risk for them to be in an establishment that has pet dander. Should these paying patrons, human beings, be subjected to itching, wheezing, coughing or WORSE just so that a dog can relax under the table? It is completely ludicrous to subject one human being to a dangerous health environment so that an animal can enjoy the outdoor seating. Its shocking that your article completely ignores perhaps the most important crux of this argument � the fact that dogs in dining establishments can cause a health risk for other patrons.

This is not just about the fact that dogs carry fleas, walk barefoot on the pavement, step in their own urine and excrement and then walk into a cafe or restaurant where FOOD is being served. This is not just about the fact that waiters who may pet the dog, or brush past and contaminate their apron with pet dander may get harmful bacteria in another diner�s FOOD. This is not just the fact that dogs may be rambunctious, jump on the table, or try to grab some of the food and destroy the dining experience of paying customers. Nor is it just about the fact that pet owners may pet their dog and then take their hands and touch glasses, cutlery, plates and napkins, contaminating the washing water for restaurant equipment that is used to serve FOOD. This is not just about the fact that, according to the written law, the FDA has banned live animals from establishments where food is served. It is ILLEGAL, however you may try to brush it off or explain it away, those regulations are there to protect people. Not just from salmonella and e-coli, but from the harmful pathogens that dogs naturally carry. It is not only for these reasons that dogs should be banned from establishments where food is served. It is also for the fact that the simple act of bringing your dog into a restaurant or dining patio can cause tremendous and severe health risks for those who are allergic to dogs. One paying patron�s infatuation with their animal should never supersede the health and safety of another PAYING PATRON, especially when food is involved.

[RedChariot]

OK I'll take the bait.

I for one fully understand the love one feels for their pets or should I say family members. We are dog owners but draw the line on dining out. I know this post is about Square 1 Burgers and we can't wait to try them out.

Now, here is an excerpt from a blog written by Suzanne that is worth repeating. The biggest concern most people neglect to mention...

ALLERGIES. There are millions of children and adults with severe allergies to dogs. It poses a health risk for them to be in an establishment that has pet dander. Should these paying patrons, human beings, be subjected to itching, wheezing, coughing or WORSE just so that a dog can relax under the table? It is completely ludicrous to subject one human being to a dangerous health environment so that an animal can enjoy the outdoor seating. Its shocking that your article completely ignores perhaps the most important crux of this argument � the fact that dogs in dining establishments can cause a health risk for other patrons.

This is not just about the fact that dogs carry fleas, walk barefoot on the pavement, step in their own urine and excrement and then walk into a cafe or restaurant where FOOD is being served. This is not just about the fact that waiters who may pet the dog, or brush past and contaminate their apron with pet dander may get harmful bacteria in another diner�s FOOD. This is not just the fact that dogs may be rambunctious, jump on the table, or try to grab some of the food and destroy the dining experience of paying customers. Nor is it just about the fact that pet owners may pet their dog and then take their hands and touch glasses, cutlery, plates and napkins, contaminating the washing water for restaurant equipment that is used to serve FOOD. This is not just about the fact that, according to the written law, the FDA has banned live animals from establishments where food is served. It is ILLEGAL, however you may try to brush it off or explain it away, those regulations are there to protect people. Not just from salmonella and e-coli, but from the harmful pathogens that dogs naturally carry. It is not only for these reasons that dogs should be banned from establishments where food is served. It is also for the fact that the simple act of bringing your dog into a restaurant or dining patio can cause tremendous and severe health risks for those who are allergic to dogs. One paying patron�s infatuation with their animal should never supersede the health and safety of another PAYING PATRON, especially when food is involved.

Very well written. You made a point I did not think of when I emailed the company stating they open themselves to liability having dogs on their premices. Dogs do not belong there. Please present this issue to the company by email. If the FDA says it's illegal, why do they not adhere to this law?

[TraceyMooreRN]

Went there Thursday night- 445ish--was great. Service and food. Although, my friends and husbands burger not exactly to order---tasted great. We will all go back. Specialty drinks on sale 4-6pm I think? Had several drinks, appetizer and burgers--50.00 bucks--I thought it was worth what we drank/ate.

[yabbadu]

OK I'll take the bait.

I for one fully understand the love one feels for their pets or should I say family members. We are dog owners but draw the line on dining out. I know this post is about Square 1 Burgers and we can't wait to try them out.

Now, here is an excerpt from a blog written by Suzanne that is worth repeating. The biggest concern most people neglect to mention...

ALLERGIES. There are millions of children and adults with severe allergies to dogs. It poses a health risk for them to be in an establishment that has pet dander. Should these paying patrons, human beings, be subjected to itching, wheezing, coughing or WORSE just so that a dog can relax under the table? It is completely ludicrous to subject one human being to a dangerous health environment so that an animal can enjoy the outdoor seating. Its shocking that your article completely ignores perhaps the most important crux of this argument � the fact that dogs in dining establishments can cause a health risk for other patrons.

This is not just about the fact that dogs carry fleas, walk barefoot on the pavement, step in their own urine and excrement and then walk into a cafe or restaurant where FOOD is being served. This is not just about the fact that waiters who may pet the dog, or brush past and contaminate their apron with pet dander may get harmful bacteria in another diner�s FOOD. This is not just the fact that dogs may be rambunctious, jump on the table, or try to grab some of the food and destroy the dining experience of paying customers. Nor is it just about the fact that pet owners may pet their dog and then take their hands and touch glasses, cutlery, plates and napkins, contaminating the washing water for restaurant equipment that is used to serve FOOD. This is not just about the fact that, according to the written law, the FDA has banned live animals from establishments where food is served. It is ILLEGAL, however you may try to brush it off or explain it away, those regulations are there to protect people. Not just from salmonella and e-coli, but from the harmful pathogens that dogs naturally carry. It is not only for these reasons that dogs should be banned from establishments where food is served. It is also for the fact that the simple act of bringing your dog into a restaurant or dining patio can cause tremendous and severe health risks for those who are allergic to dogs. One paying patron�s infatuation with their animal should never supersede the health and safety of another PAYING PATRON, especially when food is involved.

I am mystified that the Florida Health Dept. would allow an animal to eat on a patio along with humans....... The paper indicated there will be a doggie menu for the pets to enjoy.....
WOW... What animal is next!!!!!

[perrjojo]

Went there Thursday night- 445ish--was great. Service and food. Although, my friends and husbands burger not exactly to order---tasted great. We will all go back. Specialty drinks on sale 4-6pm I think? Had several drinks, appetizer and burgers--50.00 bucks--I thought it was worth what we drank/ate.
It seems everyone is enjoying the new resturaunt.

[yabbadu]

There are some that just can't stand the thought of dogs being in public. I don't get it and I hope those people never live in Europe because dogs lay under the tables while you dine in most resturaunts. I guess I was feeling a little mischievous this morning and would see how many chains I could jerk.:pepper2::jester:

We are NOT in Europe! Check you map...It's Florida!

[Shimpy]

Funny how The Villages is promoting their health care system and adding hamburger joints at the same time.

[Shirleevee]

Funny how The Villages is promoting their health care system and adding hamburger joints at the same time.

Loved Square !:

FYI....Sailor had the Salmon Burger and I had the Lump Crab (real) without the bun......delish!!!!!!!!!:MOJE_whot:

[buggyone]

Dogs are allowed in outdoor areas of restaurants as long as the restaurant follows the guide set forth in the law.

509.233 Public food service establishment requirements; local exemption for dogs in designated outdoor portions.

You may Google it for yourself. I am sure Square One Burger knows the law and will uphold themselves to those standards.

Of course, if you as a patron do not want to go to that restaurant - Just Do Not Go. Personally, I think it sounds like a great place and I am planning on eating there.

[redwitch]

I'll happily agree to a ban on dogs at all public places if there will be a ban against any and all scents in those same areas. I'm extremely sensitive to scents and that includes shampoos and bodywashes, not just perfumes and aftershaves. If I am at a restaurant and seated next to someone wearing a lot of scent or one that I am more sensitive to than others, I ask that I be moved. If I can't be accommodated, I leave. I don't ask the scented individual to leave. I don't get angry at the restaurant for following the law. Dogs are allowed in outdoor patio areas in the State of Florida. Smelly people are allowed in all areas of a restaurant. I'd much rather sit next to the dog than the perfumery.

And another one who plans to check out Square 1 -- probably on my next jaunt to the library.

[Happinow]

And what happens when you bring your dog to the outdoor patio and it relieves itself while the others are eating their meal? I'll bet the burger won't taste so good then.

[gerryann]

And what happens when you bring your dog to the outdoor patio and it relieves itself while the others are eating their meal? I'll bet the burger won't taste so good then.

And you've seen this happen once, twice, more than that?.......

[Barefoot]

Dogs are allowed in outdoor areas of restaurants as long as the restaurant follows the guide set forth in the law. 509.233 Public food service establishment requirements; local exemption for dogs in designated outdoor portions.

You may Google it for yourself. I am sure Square One Burger knows the law and will uphold themselves to those standards. Of course, if you as a patron do not want to go to that restaurant - Just Do Not Go. Personally, I think it sounds like a great place and I am planning on eating there.

We had lunch Monday in St. Augustine. We had a choice of at least fifteen restaurants that allowed dogs on the patio. We chose Beaches at Vilano, overlooking the water. Delightful.

[gerryann]

We had lunch Monday in St. Augustine. We had a choice of at least fifteen restaurants that allowed dogs on the patio. We chose Beaches at Vilano, overlooking the water. Delightful.

When I visit my son in San Diego we always enjoy the pups on the patios at almost all restaurants with outside seating. Always pleasant.

[jrandall]

There are some that just can't stand the thought of dogs being in public. I don't get it and I hope those people never live in Europe because dogs lay under the tables while you dine in most resturaunts. I guess I was feeling a little mischievous this morning and would see how many chains I could jerk.:pepper2::jester:

If you dine along Lincoln Road or A1A in Miami Beach there are well behaved dogs everywhere. They usually just lie near their owners under the tables away from the sun.

[wendyquat]

We had lunch at Square 1 today and I could not help but think of some of you guys! We arrived just after 11 am and were promptly sat on the patio. Food and service were good!

Shortly after we sat down a couple with a small Maltese were seated a couple of seats from us and the server put down a metal water bowl for the furry kid! Mom and pop were intently studying Fidos menu and ordered for the doggie before ordering for themselves. Server brought out a plate with two chicken patties along with a metal food bowl for "Fido". Pop cut the patties into bite sized bits and mom handed him the metal doggie bowl. Pop put the pretty red "people" plate on top of the doggie bowl and set it on the ground for "Fido". Fido seemed to enjoy eating his food from the shiny red plate and licked it clean!

We also have a dog "kid" that pretty much goes where we go but the only time we EVER take him to eat with us is when we are traveling and it is too hot to leave him in the car. He does not wash his hands but he does seem to do a good job of getting his butt clean! :mmmm: I understand MOST dishwashers do a pretty good job!

[Bonanza]

A lot of two legged people don't wash their hands or butts either.

I'll bet you're not too pleased with the person who forced you to move to a dog friendly community......

Gerryann -- I love your comment. I'm still laughing!

People that dislike dogs will never change and that's unfortunate
because (in my mind) they are missing so much.

Oh, well -- to each his own.

[Bonanza]

Originally Posted by Happinow View Post

And what happens when you bring your dog to the outdoor patio and it relieves itself while the others are eating their meal? I'll bet the burger won't taste so good then.

And you've seen this happen once, twice, more than that?.......


Happinow -- I think you're stretching it a wee bit.
I've NEVER seen this happen in an outside patio/restaurant.
Never!

But I'll tell you what IS worse.
It's screaming kids that run around in a restaurant
that isn't Mickey D's or similar!

My suggestion to you:
Don't eat outside!

[Bonanza]

My husband and I have been to Square 1 and found the food to be good, but on the expensive side for what it is.

On the dog subject -- from what I've read, dogs are going to be permitted on the outside patio. First let me say that my husband and I are dog lovers and have dogs.

I don't feel that this particular outside eating area lends itself to having a dog with you. First of all -- all the tables are high tops so you are well above the ground where I assume, dogs will lay down. Secondly, the tables are very close together and truthfully, there is no room for a pet. In addition, I don't feel it is fair that a server has to step over someone's pet while carrying a tray.

If you've been there or go there, I think you will agree.

[wendyquat]

My husband and I have been to Square 1 and found the food to be good, but on the expensive side for what it is.

On the dog subject -- from what I've read, dogs are going to be permitted on the outside patio. First let me say that my husband and I are dog lovers and have dogs.

I don't feel that this particular outside eating area lends itself to having a dog with you. First of all -- all the tables are high tops so you are well above the ground where I assume, dogs will lay down. Secondly, the tables are very close together and truthfully, there is no room for a pet. In addition, I don't feel it is fair that a server has to step over someone's pet while carrying a tray.

If you've been there or go there, I think you will agree.

Exactly what I said to my husband today. There's really not enough floor space for dogs! I wondered why they didn't extend the patio to the corner of the building!

[Taltarzac725]

If I want to eat with dogs, I'll bring a sandwich to the dog park..

The only time they allow food at Doggie Doo Run Run is when they are having a party without any pooches invited. Can you imagine the anarchy with food loving dogs and a group of people?

[zonerboy]

Somewhat high prices, occasional dog on the patio�..
Whatever helps keeps the crowds down, just adds to my own personal enjoyment. Thanks.

By the way, if you want to see sky high prices for below average food, try Disneyworld.

[Sadied]

Visited Square 1 last night but very expensive for what you get..Know of better restaurants for hamburgers!! Friends with us stated the crab cake was to die for.. Not for me but decor was beautiful.

[Indydealmaker]

I sure hope that Square 1 does not listen to some of the complaints about high prices! If the prices keep the waiting time down, I do not see the downside for the customer.

The overall experience, food quality, and creative menu are right in-line with the prices. Square 1 does very well at all of their other locations. This either means there are a lot of stupid diners all over Florida or that their prices are justified.

[Barefoot]

A lot of two legged people don't wash their hands or butts either. I'll bet you're not too pleased with the person who forced you to move to a dog friendly community......


Somewhat high prices, occasional dog on the patio�..
Whatever helps keeps the crowds down, just adds to my own personal enjoyment. Thanks.

You two are really on your game. :throwtomatoes:

[doran]

We took Sugar and Spice our Multi-Poos to lunch with us yesterday--they had the chicken patty while we enjoyed the burgers--great place--food was good as well!!--will do it again soon--for those of you who do not eat with the doggies--we suggest you eat inside or choose another place to eat--We as dog owners love it!!!

Eddie and Susan Doran

[Shimpy]

Loved Square !:

FYI....Sailor had the Salmon Burger and I had the Lump Crab (real) without the bun......delish!!!!!!!!!:MOJE_whot:

I didn't know they had Salmon or Crab. I'll give it a try.

[LittleDog]

A friend and I went for lunch today around 11:30. The place was pretty crowded but we were seated in a booth. I ordered a Rise and Shine burger which was a burger, smoked bacon, fried egg, caramelized onions and gruyere cheese on a brioche roll. My side was cole slaw. My friend had a crab burger with a side of onion rings. She also ordered a vanilla shake. I ordered my burger rare and it came out a little bit more on the medium rare side but was fine. However, the burger was difficult to eat as it was greasy which in my opinion gave it flavor. I had to eat it with a fork. I wish that the onions were cooked a little bit more. When I think of caramelized onions I think of crispy onions. The cole slaw tasted good except that there were some bits of onion and green peppers in it which I could have preferred that they be left out of cole slaw. As to the crab burger my friend said it was spiced a little bit too much for her liking but she felt that a lot of people would probably like it that way.

I don't mean to be that negative as I will return to Square One and try something else and not order cole slaw as a side dish. Just wanted to be honest.

When we left about 12:15 there was a line waiting.

John

[travelguy]

Visited Square 1 last night but very expensive for what you get..Know of better restaurants for hamburgers!! Friends with us stated the crab cake was to die for.. Not for me but decor was beautiful.

5 guys wins hands down for good burgers and outstanding french fries. as far as beautiful decor....i know beauty is in the eye of the beholder but....hairy cow/horsehair fabric all over, and red 'crystal' chandeliers....cmon, unless of course you like the look of a 'house of ill repute'.

and a dog friendly patio...what about the board of health regulations.....this is not France.

[buggyone]

A friend and I went for lunch today around 11:30. The place was pretty crowded but we were seated in a booth. I ordered a Rise and Shine burger which was a burger, smoked bacon, fried egg, caramelized onions and gruyere cheese on a brioche roll. My side was cole slaw. My friend had a crab burger with a side of onion rings. She also ordered a vanilla shake. I ordered my burger rare and it came out a little bit more on the medium rare side but was fine. However, the burger was difficult to eat as it was greasy which in my opinion gave it flavor. I had to eat it with a fork. I wish that the onions were cooked a little bit more. When I think of caramelized onions I think of crispy onions. The cole slaw tasted good except that there were some bits of onion and green peppers in it which I could have preferred that they be left out of cole slaw. As to the crab burger my friend said it was spiced a little bit too much for her liking but she felt that a lot of people would probably like it that way.

I don't mean to be that negative as I will return to Square One and try something else and not order cole slaw as a side dish. Just wanted to be honest.

When we left about 12:15 there was a line waiting.

John

You did not do a negative posting at all. It was an excellent post that told how the food was prepared and your opinion of it.

[Bonanza]

[QUOTE=LittleDog;861116] I ordered my burger rare and it came out a little bit more on the medium rare side but was fine. However, the burger was difficult to eat as it was greasy which in my opinion gave it flavor. I had to eat it with a fork. I wish that the onions were cooked a little bit more. When I think of caramelized onions I think of crispy onions.

When my husband and I ate there,
I noticed that some burgers had mayo on them.
When you put mayo on something hot, it melts,
and that is probbly what makes their burgers "juicy."

Carmelized onions are never crispy.
They are sauteed very slowly, taking on a brown color, but still very soft.
When prepared this way, they take on a much sweeter flavor.

I think you may be thinking of onion straws which are fried, thin and crispy.

[bigallis1]

Ate there last fri. Had a bacon cheese burger. Was very good but not worth $10.99
Non happy hour draft beer is $5.00, also too expensive.
The best deal there is on wednesday, the onion stack is $3.00.
Onion stack and water w/ lemon. cheap snack............

[Bonny]

A friend and I went for lunch today around 11:30. The place was pretty crowded but we were seated in a booth. I ordered a Rise and Shine burger which was a burger, smoked bacon, fried egg, caramelized onions and gruyere cheese on a brioche roll. My side was cole slaw. My friend had a crab burger with a side of onion rings. She also ordered a vanilla shake. I ordered my burger rare and it came out a little bit more on the medium rare side but was fine. However, the burger was difficult to eat as it was greasy which in my opinion gave it flavor. I had to eat it with a fork. I wish that the onions were cooked a little bit more. When I think of caramelized onions I think of crispy onions. The cole slaw tasted good except that there were some bits of onion and green peppers in it which I could have preferred that they be left out of cole slaw. As to the crab burger my friend said it was spiced a little bit too much for her liking but she felt that a lot of people would probably like it that way.

I don't mean to be that negative as I will return to Square One and try something else and not order cole slaw as a side dish. Just wanted to be honest.

When we left about 12:15 there was a line waiting.

John
I don't find a post like this bashing or negative. You were pointing out some things that you didn't like. I wouldn't want onions in my cole slaw so that's good to know.

[Russ_Boston]

When I think of caramelized onions I think of crispy onions. John


The problem with ANY restaurant review can be summed up by John's line quoted above.


The menu says caramelized onions but John did not associate that with the proper item. His fault? Sure, (I'm sure they would have substituted crispy onion strings if he had asked) but readers need to read all restaurant reviews with that understanding.


Best bet: Try it for yourself and then decide if you want to go back.

[travelguy]

who wants caramel on their onions? oh....well, that's different. never mind.

[NotGolfer]

who wants caramel on their onions? oh....well, that's different. never mind.

Here's an explanation of the process...caramelizing is merely a term for the process...probably due to the color when they're done.

Caramelizing onions, by slowly cooking them in a little olive oil until they are richly browned, is a wonderful way to pull flavor out of the simplest of ingredients.)

[CFrance]

OK I'll take the bait.

I for one fully understand the love one feels for their pets or should I say family members. We are dog owners but draw the line on dining out. I know this post is about Square 1 Burgers and we can't wait to try them out.

Now, here is an excerpt from a blog written by Suzanne that is worth repeating. The biggest concern most people neglect to mention...

ALLERGIES. There are millions of children and adults with severe allergies to dogs. It poses a health risk for them to be in an establishment that has pet dander. Should these paying patrons, human beings, be subjected to itching, wheezing, coughing or WORSE just so that a dog can relax under the table? It is completely ludicrous to subject one human being to a dangerous health environment so that an animal can enjoy the outdoor seating. Its shocking that your article completely ignores perhaps the most important crux of this argument � the fact that dogs in dining establishments can cause a health risk for other patrons.

This is not just about the fact that dogs carry fleas, walk barefoot on the pavement, step in their own urine and excrement and then walk into a cafe or restaurant where FOOD is being served. This is not just about the fact that waiters who may pet the dog, or brush past and contaminate their apron with pet dander may get harmful bacteria in another diner�s FOOD. This is not just the fact that dogs may be rambunctious, jump on the table, or try to grab some of the food and destroy the dining experience of paying customers. Nor is it just about the fact that pet owners may pet their dog and then take their hands and touch glasses, cutlery, plates and napkins, contaminating the washing water for restaurant equipment that is used to serve FOOD. This is not just about the fact that, according to the written law, the FDA has banned live animals from establishments where food is served. It is ILLEGAL, however you may try to brush it off or explain it away, those regulations are there to protect people. Not just from salmonella and e-coli, but from the harmful pathogens that dogs naturally carry. It is not only for these reasons that dogs should be banned from establishments where food is served. It is also for the fact that the simple act of bringing your dog into a restaurant or dining patio can cause tremendous and severe health risks for those who are allergic to dogs. One paying patron�s infatuation with their animal should never supersede the health and safety of another PAYING PATRON, especially when food is involved.

No... those people can sit inside.

[KeepingItReal]

No... those people can sit inside.

The state of Florida would and does disagree.....

If you see dogs on patios that concern you then follow the instructions below. Complaining on this site and even to the offenders does nothing but the health inspector will make a difference.

Even if they have the required permit there are many requirements they must meet which are outlined on the website link at the bottom and here.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0500-0599/0509/Sections/0509.233.html

Only Cody's has a permit
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The responsive official from the Sumter (no p) County Government answered my email asking if any restaurants had permits for non-service dogs to be allowed in the outdoor dining areas. Only Cody's in LSL has such a permit. Here is his email:

Presently, Cody’s Road House in Lake Sumter Landings in The Villages is the only restaurant in Sumter County permitted under Section 13-735 of the Land Development Code. If you have observed dogs being allowed into outdoor dining areas in unpermitted restaurants, please advise me and I will contact the restaurant to advise them of the permit requirements. If you have visited Cody’s Road House and believe they are not complying with the requirements of their permit, please also let me know and I will assign an inspector to review their compliance.

If you have any additional questions, please contact me.
Karl E. Holley, AICP
Director of Development Services
Sumter County Board of Commissioners
7375 Powell Road
Wildwood, Florida 34785
(352) 689-4463
Sumter County, FL - Official Website


So for those who are unhappy with dogs, or possible lack of compliance with all the sanitary rules, you have your contact information.


FLORIDA STATE Restaurant Requirements to allow dogs in outdoor areas.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0500-0599/0509/Sections/0509.233.html

[CFrance]

The state of Florida would and does disagree.....

If you see dogs on patios that concern you then follow the instructions below. Complaining on this site and even to the offenders does nothing but the health inspector will make a difference.

Even if they have the required permit there are many requirements they must meet which are outlined on the website link at the bottom and here.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0500-0599/0509/Sections/0509.233.html)

Only Cody's has a permit
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Taken From Another Thread On This Subject:
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The responsive official from the Sumter (no p) County Government answered my email asking if any restaurants had permits for non-service dogs to be allowed in the outdoor dining areas. Only Cody's in LSL has such a permit. Here is his email:

Presently, Cody�s Road House in Lake Sumter Landings in The Villages is the only restaurant in Sumter County permitted under Section 13-735 of the Land Development Code. If you have observed dogs being allowed into outdoor dining areas in unpermitted restaurants, please advise me and I will contact the restaurant to advise them of the permit requirements. If you have visited Cody�s Road House and believe they are not complying with the requirements of their permit, please also let me know and I will assign an inspector to review their compliance.

If you have any additional questions, please contact me.
Karl E. Holley, AICP
Director of Development Services
Sumter County Board of Commissioners
7375 Powell Road
Wildwood, Florida 34785
(352) 689-4463
Sumter County, FL - Official Website


So for those who are unhappy with dogs, or possible lack of compliance with all the sanitary rules, you have your contact information.


FLORIDA STATE Restaurant Requirements to allow dogs in outdoor areas.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0500-0599/0509/Sections/0509.233.html)

That wasn't the point. The point was that in restaurants which have the proper permits, as permitted by the State of Florida, if you don't want to sit with the dogs, sit inside.

[vj1213]

I don't understand why everyone is getting so upset about dogs at Square 1 preventing others from sitting outside...let's see is it the view of a parking lot or the pleasant aroma from car exhausts as they drive by.
If a restaurant has a policy allowing dogs and you don't like, go somewhere else. If you have a peanut allergy I am sure you don't go to Five Guys, if you have a severe shellfish allergy I am sure you don't go to Bone Fish. There are plenty of restaurants.
If you really thought about it, I would be more concerned with how my food is being prepared...do you think the waiters wash their hands after clearing each table and touching the dirty plates, glasses and silverware, before they bring you your glass or plate. Oh, and that chair you're sitting on...how do you know the person before you didn't have a little accident.
I have lived in 14 states and traveled the world, and I have been to pet friendly restaurants in most of these places...I guess I am lucky because I have never gotten a disease from a dog sitting under a table.
I love my dog...no, he doesn't go everywhere with me. But for those who do take their animals everywhere....it's good to know there are places that will cater to their need.

[Russ_Boston]

That wasn't the point. The point was that in restaurants which have the proper permits, as permitted by the State of Florida, if you don't want to sit with the dogs, sit inside.


Stupid law IMHO. So if I want to go to the restaurant and sit outside I can't if I don't want to sit near a dog? Dogs (or cats or snakes or any other pet don't belong in ANY part of a restaurant). Oh yeah I said snake - remember that guy who brings the snake into Brownwood just because he can? Even the most ardent dog lovers made a big stink about that one.


My opinion and I'm sticking with it.

[CFrance]

Stupid law IMHO. So if I want to go to the restaurant and sit outside I can't if I don't want to sit near a dog? Dogs (or cats or snakes or any other pet don't belong in ANY part of a restaurant). Oh yeah I said snake - remember that guy who brings the snake into Brownwood just because he can? Even the most ardent dog lovers made a big stink about that one.


My opinion and I'm sticking with it.

You have the right to think it's a stupid law, but it's still the law. And obviously there are many who are in favor of it, or it wouldn't have been passed in the first place. But you can work to change it. I don't have a dog in this fight because we don't take our dogs to restaurants, but if FL says they can go under certain conditions, and those permits are acquired by a restaurant (which means, btw, that those restos WANT to cater to dog owners), then you can choose not to go to that restaurant, to sit inside if you do go, or work to change the law.

[Big O]

I would sign a petition to change the law and keep livestock out of restaurants. I like animals as much as the next guy, but not where I eat.

[gerryann]

Stupid law IMHO. So if I want to go to the restaurant and sit outside I can't if I don't want to sit near a dog? Dogs (or cats or snakes or any other pet don't belong in ANY part of a restaurant). Oh yeah I said snake - remember that guy who brings the snake into Brownwood just because he can? Even the most ardent dog lovers made a big stink about that one.


My opinion and I'm sticking with it.

Russ, I don't get it. Are you telling us that you have been to a restaurant, sat on the patio and you were bothered by a dog? Have you EVER been seated near a dog....EVER? Do you really think that if you went to one of the FEW restaurants that allowed pets that one would actually be near you? Have you ever even SEEN a dog at a restaurant? Are you just scared that it may happen one day? ........I don't get it, Ross.

[perrjojo]

Stupid law IMHO. So if I want to go to the restaurant and sit outside I can't if I don't want to sit near a dog? Dogs (or cats or snakes or any other pet don't belong in ANY part of a restaurant). Oh yeah I said snake - remember that guy who brings the snake into Brownwood just because he can? Even the most ardent dog lovers made a big stink about that one.


My opinion and I'm sticking with it.N
I truly do understand your point of view but I also don't understand why I cannot sit outside in many resturaunts in a smoke free enviourment. We just have to pick and choose where we go. If I don't like fish, I don't go to a seafood resturaunt. If I don't like Chinese, I don't go to a Chinese resturaunt. If I don't want to be by dogs, I don't go to a pet friendly resturaunt or sit inside. If an establishment allows smoking on the patio I either don't go or sit inside. It's really not like you don't have a choice

[gerryann]

N
I truly do understand your point of view but I also don't understand why I cannot sit outside in many resturaunts in a smoke free enviourment. We just have to pick and choose where we go. If I don't like fish, I don't go to a seafood resturaunt. If I don't like Chinese, I don't go to a Chinese resturaunt. If I don't want to be by dogs, I don't go to a pet friendly resturaunt or sit inside. If an establishment allows smoking on the patio I either don't go or sit inside. It's really not like you don't have a choice

Excellent post......just make good choices.

[golf2140]

We were insude at Hacienda. a 6'9" male brings this 2 pound dog and sits it in a chair. Now the next person who may have health issues sits in that same chair. Folks, leave the damn dogs home. I have had dogs a my life, so don't rain on my parade. The Villges lots are not made for pets. Thy do not have room in their yards to relax.

[gerryann]

We were insude at Hacienda. a 6'9" male brings this 2 pound dog and sits it in a chair. Now the next person who may have health issues sits in that same chair. Folks, leave the damn dogs home. I have had dogs a my life, so don't rain on my parade. The Villges lots are not made for pets. Thy do not have room in their yards to relax.

Why wouldn't you get the manager if someone brought a dog into the restaurant? I find this very hard to believe.

[CFrance]

Why wouldn't you get the manager if someone brought a dog into the restaurant? I find this very hard to believe.
I also find it very hard to believe that all the "damn" dogs here in TV are not happy. Don't tell that to mine, please. He wouldn't know what the heck you're talking about.

[Pointer]

2BNTV
That's to funny! I don't think I'll be able to eat another burger without thinking about the meat mixup possibility. And I agree dogs are a plus.

[Barefoot]

I don't understand why everyone is getting so upset about dogs at Square 1 preventing others from sitting outside...let's see is it the view of a parking lot or the pleasant aroma from car exhausts as they drive by.
If a restaurant has a policy allowing dogs and you don't like, go somewhere else. If you have a peanut allergy I am sure you don't go to Five Guys, if you have a severe shellfish allergy I am sure you don't go to Bone Fish. There are plenty of restaurants.
If you really thought about it, I would be more concerned with how my food is being prepared...do you think the waiters wash their hands after clearing each table and touching the dirty plates, glasses and silverware, before they bring you your glass or plate. Oh, and that chair you're sitting on...how do you know the person before you didn't have a little accident.
I have lived in 14 states and traveled the world, and I have been to pet friendly restaurants in most of these places...I guess I am lucky because I have never gotten a disease from a dog sitting under a table.
I love my dog...no, he doesn't go everywhere with me. But for those who do take their animals everywhere....it's good to know there are places that will cater to their need.

There are many, many choices of restaurants where dogs are NOT allowed on the patio. There are only a few that allow dogs.

I cannot understand the frustration of those who finds dogs offensive. They have so many other choices. Why do they demand that 100% of restaurants be pet free?

[Russ_Boston]

There are many, many choices of restaurants where dogs are NOT allowed on the patio. There are only a few that allow dogs.

I cannot understand the frustration of those who finds dogs offensive. They have so many other choices. Why do they demand that 100% of restaurants be pet free?


If I changed the argument to (and I'll just slightly change your words)

"Why do they demand that 100% of the restaurants have a handicap stall?"


There would be no argument. In my opinion (and most of the states in this country) animals (except service animals) are not allowed in any part of any restaurant. Of course all of these same states do not allow smoking in ANY part either.


When you take choice away from someone because of an allergy to animals or smoke you are taking away THEIR liberties. That is why we as a nation make sure that everyone has access and facilities if they want to eat at the same place as you.


Some say that they don't get it why I get bothered by this. Well I don't get it why anyone who has a dog feels that they must be allowed to bring them everywhere or pee or poop anywhere they want either.


I know I'll never change any opinions on this but I'm going to stand up for my rights too. I don't understand why I would be forced inside just to avoid these things. At one time in this great nation we didn't allow women to vote or people of color to eat where they want or go to school where they want. Would any of you say that this was OK? But your right to a dog next to you even while eating outside at a restaurant trumps my right to the same enjoyment?

[philnpat]

If I changed the argument to (and I'll just slightly change your words)

"Why do they demand that 100% of the restaurants have a handicap stall?"


There would be no argument. In my opinion (and most of the states in this country) animals (except service animals) are not allowed in any part of any restaurant. Of course all of these same states do not allow smoking in ANY part either.


When you take choice away from someone because of an allergy to animals or smoke you are taking away THEIR liberties. That is why we as a nation make sure that everyone has access and facilities if they want to eat at the same place as you.


Some say that they don't get it why I get bothered by this. Well I don't get it why anyone who has a dog feels that they must be allowed to bring them everywhere or pee or poop anywhere they want either.


I know I'll never change any opinions on this but I'm going to stand up for my rights too. I don't understand why I would be forced inside just to avoid these things. At one time in this great nation we didn't allow women to vote or people of color to eat where they want or go to school where they want. Would any of you say that this was OK? But your right to a dog next to you even while eating outside at a restaurant trumps my right to the same enjoyment?

Very well stated. Thank you!

[CFrance]

[QUOTE=Russ_Boston;862382]If I changed the argument to (and I'll just slightly change your words)

"Why do they demand that 100% of the restaurants have a handicap stall?"


There would be no argument. In my opinion (and most of the states in this country) animals (except service animals) are not allowed in any part of any restaurant. Of course all of these same states do not allow smoking in ANY part either. (snipped)
There are 43 states that have restaurants where dogs are allowed. Dog-Friendly Restaurant Guide - DogFriendly.com (http://www.dogfriendly.com/server/travel/guides/rest/rest.shtml)

[vj1213]

And should it not be the right of a restaurant to decide the cliental that they wish to cater to??

[karostay]

If I want to eat with dogs, I'll bring a sandwich to the dog park..:BigApplause:Ditto

[Jayhawk]

Square 1 is not violating any laws. This is their business model. Just like with any business, if you don't like their product or practices, don't patronize them.

None of us has a "right" to demand they alter their business (again, as long as they are not violating laws) just because we might prefer a different model.

It really is that simple. If you don't like Chinese food, don't go to a Chinese restaurant. If you don't approve of alcohol, don't go to bars. And if you don't like the presence of dogs outside at a restaurant, don't go to Square 1.

Everyone has choices, including business owners.

[gerryann]

Square 1 is not violating any laws. This is their business model. Just like with any business, if you don't like their product or practices, don't patronize them.

None of us has a "right" to demand they alter their business (again, as long as they are not violating laws) just because we might prefer a different model.

It really is that simple. If you don't like Chinese food, don't go to a Chinese restaurant. If you don't approve of alcohol, don't go to bars. And if you don't like the presence of dogs outside at a restaurant, don't go to Square 1.

Everyone has choices, including business owners.

Great post! CHOICES! CHOICES! Go to the restaurants that are what YOU want! Don't demand that all restaurants conform to YOU! I am not now nor would I EVER ask a restaurant that I like allow my dog to sit on their patio. I would ONLY do that in a restaurant that has approval to do this ( which are a few). CHOICES!!

[ditka41]

Good enough burgers, but a very questionable decision to have dogs eating with the customers. I won't do it again because of that, but there are probably enough "dog-lovers" to keep them in business here. Most states have laws against that sort of filth.

[gerryann]

Good enough burgers, but a very questionable decision to have dogs eating with the customers. I won't do it again because of that, but there are probably enough "dog-lovers" to keep them in business here. Most states have laws against that sort of filth.

You are right about the dog lovers patronizing the business. You are right that there are laws about animals in restaurants but fortunately there are also laws allowing a few restaurant to allow them on the patios.....those are the ones that you might want to avoid.

[mulligan]

If Fido on the patio is a problem, it seems to me a great opportunity to experience the indoor ambiance. Or one could be a real hardass and not patronize the establishment at all.

[Bonny]

If Fido on the patio is a problem, it seems to me a great opportunity to experience the indoor ambiance. Or one could be a real hardass and not patronize the establishment at all.

:BigApplause:

[perrjojo]

I think there may be many reasons people don't think dogs should be in a resturaunt but the allergy excuse doesn't work for me. I am allergic to shell fish. Should I demand it not be served at any resturaunt? As I said before, those who think it is ok will continue to think so. Those who think it is not ok will continue to think so.

[Villages PL]

Square 1 burgers should be served on the town Square. That would be a good fit, in my opinion.

[Bonny]

Square 1 burgers should be served on the town Square. That would be a good fit, in my opinion.
They couldn't go on the Square because there is already a burger place there, 5 Guys.

[perrjojo]

Square 1 burgers should be served on the town Square. That would be a good fit, in my opinion.
He he, I get it.

[Bavarian]

Interesting comments. In Germany well behaved dogs are with their owners inside and outside under tables, but they can't go in food stores. Small food stores have places to tie their leashes to.
If you wonder about what they track in on the soles of their feet, we all track in dirt on the soles of our feet, it is a germ filled world.
What about babies who now seem to be in restaurants all the time? do they leave germs when they spit up.

The allergy argument is why we can not get peanuts on the plane anymore and why smokers can't smoke, but the Governments want their tax money.

I say let people do what they want and let customers vote with thei feet to places that they like.

BTW, what about all the bird poop on the outside tables?

[Warren Kiefer]

I agree with "The Square"....."if I wanted to eat with the dogs I will take a sandwich to the dog park". Geez, everywhere I go there are dogs. I have nothing against pets but they don't belong in restaurants and grocery stores. It's an animal for Pete's sake! They don't wash their "hands" or wipe their butts!

Ive got news for you!! I rsently read a survey about oeople using the restrooms. The majority of both men and women do not wash their hands following the use of the restroom. I canot remember the percentage but was shocked at the number of both men and women who do not wash after what was believed to be number 2. I wish I had that survey.

I personally would prefer dogs over humans when dining.

[Warren Kiefer]

We just had lunch from there,,, while the burger was good ( a double Juicy Lucy), the price was little much for it. Tasty, but not worth the 12.00. Just my thought.. Sweet Potato fries were ok,, not many of them in the bag. about hand full. But they were overly sweet. All together for 8 orders 120.05.

AR YOU KIDDING ME, $15 PER PERESON IN A HAMBURGER JOINT ??? i DOUBT THEY WILL BE IN BUSINESS VERY LONG. TO BE A SUCCESS IN THE VILLAGES, A RESTAURANT MUST HAVE THESE THREE THINGS. GOOD FOOD, REASONABLY PRICED AND GOOD SERVICE.

[Barefoot]

If you wonder about what they track in on the soles of their feet, we all track in dirt on the soles of our feet, it is a germ filled world.
What about babies who now seem to be in restaurants all the time? do they leave germs when they spit up.

I say let people do what they want and let customers vote with thei feet to places that they like. BTW, what about all the bird poop on the outside tables?

Live joyously and let others do the same.

[KeepingItReal]

Square 1 is not violating any laws. This is their business model. Just like with any business, if you don't like their product or practices, don't patronize them.

None of us has a "right" to demand they alter their business (again, as long as they are not violating laws) just because we might prefer a different model.

It really is that simple. If you don't like Chinese food, don't go to a Chinese restaurant. If you don't approve of alcohol, don't go to bars. And if you don't like the presence of dogs outside at a restaurant, don't go to Square 1.

Everyone has choices, including business owners.

Actually they are violating Florida State law.


The state of Florida would and does disagree.....

If you see dogs on patios that concern you then follow the instructions below. Complaining on this site and even to the offenders does nothing but the health inspector will make a difference.

Even if they have the required permit there are many requirements they must meet which are outlined on the website link at the bottom and here.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0500-0599/0509/Sections/0509.233.html


Only Cody's has a permit
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Taken From Another Thread On This Subject:
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The responsive official from the Sumter (no p) County Government answered my email asking if any restaurants had permits for non-service dogs to be allowed in the outdoor dining areas. Only Cody's in LSL has such a permit. Here is his email:

Presently, Cody’s Road House in Lake Sumter Landings in The Villages is the only restaurant in Sumter County permitted under Section 13-735 of the Land Development Code. If you have observed dogs being allowed into outdoor dining areas in unpermitted restaurants, please advise me and I will contact the restaurant to advise them of the permit requirements. If you have visited Cody’s Road House and believe they are not complying with the requirements of their permit, please also let me know and I will assign an inspector to review their compliance.

If you have any additional questions, please contact me.
Karl E. Holley, AICP
Director of Development Services
Sumter County Board of Commissioners
7375 Powell Road
Wildwood, Florida 34785
(352) 689-4463
Sumter County, FL - Official Website


So for those who are unhappy with dogs, or possible lack of compliance with all the sanitary rules, you have your contact information.

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0500-0599/0509/Sections/0509.233.html

[Jayhawk]

Actually they are violating Florida State law.


The state of Florida would and does disagree.....

If you see dogs on patios that concern you then follow the instructions below. Complaining on this site and even to the offenders does nothing but the health inspector will make a difference.

Even if they have the required permit there are many requirements they must meet which are outlined on the website link at the bottom and here.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0500-0599/0509/Sections/0509.233.html)


Only Cody's has a permit
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Taken From Another Thread On This Subject:
_________________
The responsive official from the Sumter (no p) County Government answered my email asking if any restaurants had permits for non-service dogs to be allowed in the outdoor dining areas. Only Cody's in LSL has such a permit. Here is his email:

Presently, Cody�s Road House in Lake Sumter Landings in The Villages is the only restaurant in Sumter County permitted under Section 13-735 of the Land Development Code. If you have observed dogs being allowed into outdoor dining areas in unpermitted restaurants, please advise me and I will contact the restaurant to advise them of the permit requirements. If you have visited Cody�s Road House and believe they are not complying with the requirements of their permit, please also let me know and I will assign an inspector to review their compliance.

If you have any additional questions, please contact me.
Karl E. Holley, AICP
Director of Development Services
Sumter County Board of Commissioners
7375 Powell Road
Wildwood, Florida 34785
(352) 689-4463
Sumter County, FL - Official Website


So for those who are unhappy with dogs, or possible lack of compliance with all the sanitary rules, you have your contact information.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0500-0599/0509/Sections/0509.233.html)



The other thread you quoted is over 7 months old. Square 1 wasn't even open when that official's email was sent. Do you know for a fact that Square 1 has no permit? Because that is what you implied when you stated that only Cody's has a permit above the previous post.

[big guy]

I would sign a petition to change the law and keep livestock out of restaurants. I like animals as much as the next guy, but not where I eat.

My feelings exactly! Where do we draw the line?

[KeepingItReal]

The other thread you quoted is over 7 months old. Square 1 wasn't even open when that official's email was sent. Do you know for a fact that Square 1 has no permit? Because that is what you implied when you stated that only Cody's has a permit above the previous post.

Are they complying with all the requirements in the Florida State regs, NO.....I really don't give a $%^& myself but restaurants need to follow the laws, they were passed for a reason.

(If you're going to quote a post the font and color should stay as it was originally.)


From the Florida State Regulations:

(b) In order to protect the health, safety, and general welfare of the public, the local exemption procedure shall require participating public food service establishments to apply for and receive a permit from the governing body of the local government before allowing patrons’ dogs on their premises. The local government shall require from the applicant such information as the local government deems reasonably necessary to enforce the provisions of this section, but shall require, at a minimum, the following information:
1. The name, location, and mailing address of the public food service establishment.
2. The name, mailing address, and telephone contact information of the permit applicant.
3. A diagram and description of the outdoor area to be designated as available to patrons’ dogs, including dimensions of the designated area; a depiction of the number and placement of tables, chairs, and restaurant equipment, if any; the entryways and exits to the designated outdoor area; the boundaries of the designated area and of other areas of outdoor dining not available for patrons’ dogs; any fences or other barriers; surrounding property lines and public rights-of-way, including sidewalks and common pathways; and such other information reasonably required by the permitting authority. The diagram or plan shall be accurate and to scale but need not be prepared by a licensed design professional.
4. A description of the days of the week and hours of operation that patrons’ dogs will be permitted in the designated outdoor area.
(c) In order to protect the health, safety, and general welfare of the public, the local exemption ordinance shall include such regulations and limitations as deemed necessary by the participating local government and shall include, but not be limited to, the following requirements:
1. All public food service establishment employees shall wash their hands promptly after touching, petting, or otherwise handling dogs. Employees shall be prohibited from touching, petting, or otherwise handling dogs while serving food or beverages or handling tableware or before entering other parts of the public food service establishment.
2. Patrons in a designated outdoor area shall be advised that they should wash their hands before eating. Waterless hand sanitizer shall be provided at all tables in the designated outdoor area.
3. Employees and patrons shall be instructed that they shall not allow dogs to come into contact with serving dishes, utensils, tableware, linens, paper products, or any other items involved in food service operations.
4. Patrons shall keep their dogs on a leash at all times and shall keep their dogs under reasonable control.
5. Dogs shall not be allowed on chairs, tables, or other furnishings.
6. All table and chair surfaces shall be cleaned and sanitized with an approved product between seating of patrons. Spilled food and drink shall be removed from the floor or ground between seating of patrons.
7. Accidents involving dog waste shall be cleaned immediately and the area sanitized with an approved product. A kit with the appropriate materials for this purpose shall be kept near the designated outdoor area.
8. A sign or signs reminding employees of the applicable rules shall be posted on premises in a manner and place as determined by the local permitting authority.
9. A sign or signs reminding patrons of the applicable rules shall be posted on premises in a manner and place as determined by the local permitting authority.
10. A sign or signs shall be posted in a manner and place as determined by the local permitting authority that places the public on notice that the designated outdoor area is available for the use of patrons and patrons’ dogs.
11. Dogs shall not be permitted to travel through indoor or nondesignated outdoor portions of the public food service establishment, and ingress and egress to the designated outdoor portions of the public food service establishment must not require entrance into or passage through any indoor area of the food establishment.
(d) A permit issued pursuant to this section shall not be transferred to a subsequent owner upon the sale of a public food service establishment but shall expire automatically upon the sale of the establishment. The subsequent owner shall be required to reapply for a permit pursuant to this section if the subsequent owner wishes to continue to accommodate patrons’ dogs.
(4) POWERS; ENFORCEMENT.—Participating local governments shall have such powers as are reasonably necessary to regulate and enforce the provisions of this section.

[CFrance]

I'm wondering how you know that Square 1 doesn't have a permit. Maybe you called the proper agency, I don't know. Did not go back and read all ten pages of this thread. But I have been following the thread of and on and don't recall if anyone ascertained for sure that they don't have a patio permit.

I'm also wondering what TOTV rule it is that says you can't change the color or font on a quoted post.

[KeepingItReal]

I'm wondering how you know that Square 1 doesn't have a permit. Maybe you called the proper agency, I don't know. Did not go back and read all ten pages of this thread. But I have been following the thread of and on and don't recall if anyone ascertained for sure that they don't have a patio permit.

I'm also wondering what TOTV rule it is that says you can't change the color or font on a quoted post.

As I said I don't care whether they do or don't have a permit but for sure they have not complied with all the requirements to have a permit so likely they don't.

A QUOTE, is just that, what's the point of changing it..don't need a rule for everything, somethings we should just know..

[CFrance]

As I said I don't care whether they do or don't have a permit but for sure they have not complied with all the requirements to have a permit so likely they don't.

A QUOTE, is just that, what's the point of changing it..don't need a rule for everything, somethings we should just know..

Well, if there is no rule, I guess you can apply whatever color or font you want. You're just quoting the text.

If Square 1 has a permit, they are not violating FL law. Unless someone has asked, you can't be sure they have not complied with the requirements. You're saying they aren't complying with FL law, but you don't have proof of that. So saying "for sure they have not complied with the law" is a statement not backed up by facts.

[gerryann]

Exactly what rules are they supposedly breaking?

Given they in fact have a permit.

[KeepingItReal]

Well, if there is no rule, I guess you can apply whatever color or font you want. You're just quoting the text.

If Square 1 has a permit, they are not violating FL law. Unless someone has asked, you can't be sure they have not complied with the requirements. You're saying they aren't complying with FL law, but you don't have proof of that. So saying "for sure they have not complied with the law" is a statement not backed up by facts.

:blahblahblah: Never stops, I'm done, do whatever, unless they are following all these requirements which they are not they are breaking Florida State law...EVEN IF THEY HAVE A PERMIT

1. All public food service establishment employees shall wash their hands promptly after touching, petting, or otherwise handling dogs. Employees shall be prohibited from touching, petting, or otherwise handling dogs while serving food or beverages or handling tableware or before entering other parts of the public food service establishment.
2. Patrons in a designated outdoor area shall be advised that they should wash their hands before eating. Waterless hand sanitizer shall be provided at all tables in the designated outdoor area.
3. Employees and patrons shall be instructed that they shall not allow dogs to come into contact with serving dishes, utensils, tableware, linens, paper products, or any other items involved in food service operations.
4. Patrons shall keep their dogs on a leash at all times and shall keep their dogs under reasonable control.
5. Dogs shall not be allowed on chairs, tables, or other furnishings.
6. All table and chair surfaces shall be cleaned and sanitized with an approved product between seating of patrons. Spilled food and drink shall be removed from the floor or ground between seating of patrons.
7. Accidents involving dog waste shall be cleaned immediately and the area sanitized with an approved product. A kit with the appropriate materials for this purpose shall be kept near the designated outdoor area.
8. A sign or signs reminding employees of the applicable rules shall be posted on premises in a manner and place as determined by the local permitting authority.
9. A sign or signs reminding patrons of the applicable rules shall be posted on premises in a manner and place as determined by the local permitting authority.
10. A sign or signs shall be posted in a manner and place as determined by the local permitting authority that places the public on notice that the designated outdoor area is available for the use of patrons and patrons’ dogs.
11. Dogs shall not be permitted to travel through indoor or nondesignated outdoor portions of the public food service establishment, and ingress and egress to the designated outdoor portions of the public food service establishment must not require entrance into or passage through any indoor area of the food establishment.
(d) A permit issued pursuant to this section shall not be transferred to a subsequent owner upon the sale of a public food service establishment but shall expire automatically upon the sale of the establishment. The subsequent owner shall be required to reapply for a permit pursuant to this section if the subsequent owner wishes to continue to accommodate patrons’ dogs.
(4) POWERS; ENFORCEMENT.—Participating local governments shall have such powers as are reasonably necessary to regulate and enforce the provisions of this section.

[gerryann]

Quote (blahblahblah) Quote

What rules? You keeps saying they are breaking rules. If they have a permit, what rules are they breaking?

You have a lot of words for not saying much.

[KeepingItReal]

Quote Quote

What rules? You keeps saying they are breaking rules. If they have a permit, what rules are they breaking?

You have a lot of words for not saying much.

One last time.....maybe you missed this the other times.......having a permit requires compliance with all the items below...

Here is the official site again:

http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0500-0599/0509/Sections/0509.233.html


1. All public food service establishment employees shall wash their hands promptly after touching, petting, or otherwise handling dogs. Employees shall be prohibited from touching, petting, or otherwise handling dogs while serving food or beverages or handling tableware or before entering other parts of the public food service establishment.
2. Patrons in a designated outdoor area shall be advised that they should wash their hands before eating. Waterless hand sanitizer shall be provided at all tables in the designated outdoor area.
3. Employees and patrons shall be instructed that they shall not allow dogs to come into contact with serving dishes, utensils, tableware, linens, paper products, or any other items involved in food service operations.
4. Patrons shall keep their dogs on a leash at all times and shall keep their dogs under reasonable control.
5. Dogs shall not be allowed on chairs, tables, or other furnishings.
6. All table and chair surfaces shall be cleaned and sanitized with an approved product between seating of patrons. Spilled food and drink shall be removed from the floor or ground between seating of patrons.
7. Accidents involving dog waste shall be cleaned immediately and the area sanitized with an approved product. A kit with the appropriate materials for this purpose shall be kept near the designated outdoor area.
8. A sign or signs reminding employees of the applicable rules shall be posted on premises in a manner and place as determined by the local permitting authority.
9. A sign or signs reminding patrons of the applicable rules shall be posted on premises in a manner and place as determined by the local permitting authority.
10. A sign or signs shall be posted in a manner and place as determined by the local permitting authority that places the public on notice that the designated outdoor area is available for the use of patrons and patrons’ dogs.
11. Dogs shall not be permitted to travel through indoor or nondesignated outdoor portions of the public food service establishment, and ingress and egress to the designated outdoor portions of the public food service establishment must not require entrance into or passage through any indoor area of the food establishment.
(d) A permit issued pursuant to this section shall not be transferred to a subsequent owner upon the sale of a public food service establishment but shall expire automatically upon the sale of the establishment. The subsequent owner shall be required to reapply for a permit pursuant to this section if the subsequent owner wishes to continue to accommodate patrons’ dogs.
(4) POWERS; ENFORCEMENT.—Participating local governments shall have such powers as are reasonably necessary to regulate and enforce the provisions of this section.

[Bonny]

Wow, some people have waaayyyy toooo much time on their hands.
Just sayin' !!
Hope everyone has a good night. Be it with dogs or without ! :thumbup:

[Barefoot]

One last time.....maybe you missed this the other times....having a permit requires compliance with all the items below...

Here is the official site again:

No, we didn't miss your post encouraging people to report patio offenders to State Regulators.
You've posted the identical information many, many times. :sigh:

[Patty55]

This kind of nonsense is why we have so few non-chain type of restaurants. IMO, only the chains have the staff and ability to be buried in paperwork and have the public being encouraged to call the county and file complaints.

I really feel for the little guys who dream of owning their own restaurant, research and decide to come to TV. Not only do they have to try to satisfy a diverse palate but try to satisfy the high expectations and low prices crowd.

I just hope that one day these corporate entities hold people legally responsible for posting untrue assertations that laws are being broken and the public health threatened.

[KeepingItReal]

This kind of nonsense is why we have so few non-chain type of restaurants. IMO, only the chains have the staff and ability to be buried in paperwork and have the public being encouraged to call the county and file complaints.

I really feel for the little guys who dream of owning their own restaurant, research and decide to come to TV. Not only do they have to try to satisfy a diverse palate but try to satisfy the high expectations and low prices crowd.



Not the reason we don't have more non chain restaurants but that is another topic. Nonsense is taking dogs to a restaurant where other people would like to go and eat a meal without having to put up with dogs. Unfortunately the law does allow it if conditions are met but apparently that is asking too much and at least some dog owners don't even agree that these rules should be followed. Have a permit and following all the requirements listed then all is good. If the sanitation rules are all being complied with then no one can complain or object other than by not going to the restaurant.
Trying to cater to dog owner's is what causes paperwork, no dogs allowed = no paperwork required. Want to cater to dog owners then just follow the required rules, they were written by the state of Florida for a reason and most people want them enforced and not just to be ignored like so many other laws.

[Bonanza]

No, we didn't miss your post encouraging people to report patio offenders to State Regulators.
You've posted the identical information many, many times. :sigh:

Barefoot -- I agree. Many times . . .
Yeah -- too many times!

[GaryW]

I think, I do say this is just me thinking out loud again,, but this might be getting out of hand... I mean one can either eat there, or not. Pets or no pets... Again just me thinking...... :MOJE_whot:

[Ohiogirl]

Had dinner there last night, on the patio, not a dog in sight but would have been fine with me if there were. Delicious burger - I had some kind of Mexican flavored one, can't remember the name, with a side (burgers come with a side) of really good steamed broccoli, not over-cooked, and Square one red ale. Nice to see some different beer selections.

Our party of 4 all liked it, will all return. Not sure how you can compare to 5 guys - that is just a fast food option, albeit with tasty burgers, but not on this level, IMO.

[Indydealmaker]

Actually they are violating Florida State law.


The state of Florida would and does disagree.....

If you see dogs on patios that concern you then follow the instructions below. Complaining on this site and even to the offenders does nothing but the health inspector will make a difference.

Even if they have the required permit there are many requirements they must meet which are outlined on the website link at the bottom and here.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0500-0599/0509/Sections/0509.233.html)


Only Cody's has a permit
_______________________

Taken From Another Thread On This Subject:
_________________
The responsive official from the Sumter (no p) County Government answered my email asking if any restaurants had permits for non-service dogs to be allowed in the outdoor dining areas. Only Cody's in LSL has such a permit. Here is his email:

Presently, Cody’s Road House in Lake Sumter Landings in The Villages is the only restaurant in Sumter County permitted under Section 13-735 of the Land Development Code. If you have observed dogs being allowed into outdoor dining areas in unpermitted restaurants, please advise me and I will contact the restaurant to advise them of the permit requirements. If you have visited Cody’s Road House and believe they are not complying with the requirements of their permit, please also let me know and I will assign an inspector to review their compliance.

If you have any additional questions, please contact me.
Karl E. Holley, AICP
Director of Development Services
Sumter County Board of Commissioners
7375 Powell Road
Wildwood, Florida 34785
(352) 689-4463
Sumter County, FL - Official Website


So for those who are unhappy with dogs, or possible lack of compliance with all the sanitary rules, you have your contact information.

Statutes & Constitution :View Statutes : Online Sunshine (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/Statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=&URL=0500-0599/0509/Sections/0509.233.html)

I am confident that your information is flawed and that your source is mistaken. I contacted the Director of Communication and Special Projects regarding this question and I have attached his reply below:

[B][I]Hi Steven,

Thank you for writing.

I did extensive research into the dog permit issue prior to opening to be sure we would be in compliance with any local ordinances. After going through the state of Florida, Sumter County, and the City of Wildwood ordinances, and also having phone conversations with representatives of each (some more than once) the final determination was that there isn't any official certificate that can be obtained.

The state of Florida leaves it to each local government to decide whether they will require any kind of permit. Neither the City of Wildwood or Sumter County require one.

There is a requirement to post the health, safety, and general welfare rules so patrons can read them (I made a large 11"x17" sign that should be on display on the patio), but that is the only requirement.

I'm including a link to the Sumter County Code of Ordinances that directly addresses the issue of dogs in public food establishments. There is a lot of information in there, but what we discovered in all of my conversations with the city and the county is that at the very end of the ordinance (section d) the requirements for a permit expired in July of 2009.

http://library.municode.com/HTML/12044/level4/COCO_CH13LADECO_ARTVSPUSST_DIV3SASE.html#COCO_CH13 LADECO_ARTVSPUSST_DIV3SASE_S13-735DOWIOUPOPUFOES

I appreciate your interest in standing up for the dogs, we think it's a great thing for people to be able to bring them out with them—now if I could only bring my cats . . . !

Have a good afternoon and please let me know if you have any other questions.

Jarrod


Jarrod Dyer
Director of Communication
and Special Projects
Square 1 Burgers & Bar

[scarecrow1]

OK I'll take the bait.

I for one fully understand the love one feels for their pets or should I say family members. We are dog owners but draw the line on dining out. I know this post is about Square 1 Burgers and we can't wait to try them out.

Now, here is an excerpt from a blog written by Suzanne that is worth repeating. The biggest concern most people neglect to mention...

ALLERGIES. There are millions of children and adults with severe allergies to dogs. It poses a health risk for them to be in an establishment that has pet dander. Should these paying patrons, human beings, be subjected to itching, wheezing, coughing or WORSE just so that a dog can relax under the table? It is completely ludicrous to subject one human being to a dangerous health environment so that an animal can enjoy the outdoor seating. Its shocking that your article completely ignores perhaps the most important crux of this argument � the fact that dogs in dining establishments can cause a health risk for other patrons.

This is not just about the fact that dogs carry fleas, walk barefoot on the pavement, step in their own urine and excrement and then walk into a cafe or restaurant where FOOD is being served. This is not just about the fact that waiters who may pet the dog, or brush past and contaminate their apron with pet dander may get harmful bacteria in another diner�s FOOD. This is not just the fact that dogs may be rambunctious, jump on the table, or try to grab some of the food and destroy the dining experience of paying customers. Nor is it just about the fact that pet owners may pet their dog and then take their hands and touch glasses, cutlery, plates and napkins, contaminating the washing water for restaurant equipment that is used to serve FOOD. This is not just about the fact that, according to the written law, the FDA has banned live animals from establishments where food is served. It is ILLEGAL, however you may try to brush it off or explain it away, those regulations are there to protect people. Not just from salmonella and e-coli, but from the harmful pathogens that dogs naturally carry. It is not only for these reasons that dogs should be banned from establishments where food is served. It is also for the fact that the simple act of bringing your dog into a restaurant or dining patio can cause tremendous and severe health risks for those who are allergic to dogs. One paying patron�s infatuation with their animal should never supersede the health and safety of another PAYING PATRON, especially when food is involved.
I wouldn't bring my dog to a restaurant. But if I did you wouldn't get an allergic reaction as they are hypoallergenic dogs. They have hair not fur.

[perrjojo]

I am confident that your information is flawed and that your source is mistaken. I contacted the Director of Communication and Special Projects regarding this question and I have attached his reply below:

Hi Steven,

Thank you for writing.

I did extensive research into the dog permit issue prior to opening to be sure we would be in compliance with any local ordinances. After going through the state of Florida, Sumter County, and the City of Wildwood ordinances, and also having phone conversations with representatives of each (some more than once) the final determination was that there isn't any official certificate that

The state of Florida leaves it to each local government to decide whether they will require any kind of permit. Neither the City of Wildwood or Sumter County require one.

There is a requirement to post the health, safety, and general welfare rules so patrons can read them (I made a large 11"x17" sign that should be on display on the patio), but that is the only requirement.

I'm including a link to the Sumter County Code of Ordinances that directly addresses the issue of dogs in public food establishments. There is a lot of information in there, but what we discovered in all of my conversations with the city and the county is that at the very end of the ordinance (section d) the requirements for a permit expired in July of 2009.

DIVISION 3. SALES AND SERVICES (http://library.municode.com/HTML/12044/level4/COCO_CH13LADECO_ARTVSPUSST_DIV3SASE.html#COCO_CH13 LADECO_ARTVSPUSST_DIV3SASE_S13-735DOWIOUPOPUFOES)

I appreciate your interest in standing up for the dogs, we think it's a great thing for people to be able to bring them out with them�now if I could only bring my cats . . . !

Have a good afternoon and please let me know if you have any other


Jarrod Dyer
Director of Communication
and Special Projects
Square 1 Burgers & Bar
o 813.902.3717
m 646.246.8049

Indy, please do not try to confuse us with facts...LOL. Square 1 is a chain with other locations in a Florida so I am certain they know the laws. Thank you for posting this.

[CFrance]

I am confident that your information is flawed and that your source is mistaken. I contacted the Director of Communication and Special Projects regarding this question and I have attached his reply below:

Hi Steven,

Thank you for writing.

I did extensive research into the dog permit issue prior to opening to be sure we would be in compliance with any local ordinances. After going through the state of Florida, Sumter County, and the City of Wildwood ordinances, and also having phone conversations with representatives of each (some more than once) the final determination was that there isn't any official certificate that can be obtained.

The state of Florida leaves it to each local government to decide whether they will require any kind of permit. Neither the City of Wildwood or Sumter County require one.

There is a requirement to post the health, safety, and general welfare rules so patrons can read them (I made a large 11"x17" sign that should be on display on the patio), but that is the only requirement.

I'm including a link to the Sumter County Code of Ordinances that directly addresses the issue of dogs in public food establishments. There is a lot of information in there, but what we discovered in all of my conversations with the city and the county is that at the very end of the ordinance (section d) the requirements for a permit expired in July of 2009.

DIVISION 3. SALES AND SERVICES (http://library.municode.com/HTML/12044/level4/COCO_CH13LADECO_ARTVSPUSST_DIV3SASE.html#COCO_CH13 LADECO_ARTVSPUSST_DIV3SASE_S13-735DOWIOUPOPUFOES)

I appreciate your interest in standing up for the dogs, we think it's a great thing for people to be able to bring them out with them�now if I could only bring my cats . . . !

Have a good afternoon and please let me know if you have any other questions.

Jarrod


Jarrod Dyer
Director of Communication
and Special Projects
Square 1 Burgers & Bar
o 813.902.3717
m 646.246.8049
Indy, thanks for taking the time to put the truth out there.

[Patty55]

Indy, please do not try to confuse us with facts...LOL. Square 1 is a chain with other locations in a Florida so I am certain they know the laws. Thank you for posting this.

Well, there you go. Thank you Indy for following up on this. Now I wish someone would share this info with those poor guys at Redsauce who took so much abuse a few months back.

[gerryann]

Great information. Thanks for posting! :doggie:

[Bonny]

I'm sorry, I just gotta say.... how much can we beat this dogs yes, dogs no thing. No one is going to change anyone's minds.
Everyone has their own opinion and it is what it is.
We need to come up with a more exciting topic to discuss.
This one has been beat to death in soooo many threads !!
Just sayin' !
Hope everyone has a wonderful restful night !!!

[GaryW]

I'm sorry, I just gotta say.... how much can we beat this dogs yes, dogs no thing. No one is going to change anyone's minds.
Everyone has their own opinion and it is what it is.
We need to come up with a more exciting topic to discuss.
This one has been beat to death in soooo many threads !!
Just sayin' !
Hope everyone has a wonderful restful night !!!

:bigbow:

Bada Bing,,, Now lets move on,,,,

[Buffalo Jim]

I'm sorry, I just gotta say.... how much can we beat this dogs yes, dogs no thing. No one is going to change anyone's minds.
Everyone has their own opinion and it is what it is.
We need to come up with a more exciting topic to discuss.
This one has been beat to death in soooo many threads !!
Just sayin' !
Hope everyone has a wonderful restful night !!!

An interesting experience [ at least for me ]with dogs in public places .
Being raised about 90 miles from Montreal and 60 miles from Ottawa very near the Canadian Border and in a climate where winter set in about Nov. 1st and the snow finally melted in late April our major sport was Ice Hockey which I lived for .

I was a " commuting" student attending a near by State University College .
This allowed me to become a coach in the youth program of my native small town. One of my " kids " grew up and became the 1st pick in the second round of the NHL Draft . He went on to play at Western Michigan and then on to the NJ Devils organization .
He was assigned to the next level down in the American Hockey League . After a few season he headed to Switzerland where he became a big star in their professional league . In the late 90`s I ventured over to Zurich to watch him in their league Play-offs .
Whenever we went to any type of restaurant even very fine dining establishments I was amazed to often see dogs literally sitting on chairs at the table as the families enjoyed their meals .
When we went into very nice Malls and large Department Stores it was very common to see dogs on leashes accompanying their owners .
My friend explained that it was culturally expectable to bring dogs into stores and into dining establishments . I must add that to my amazement I never saw a dog who was ill behaved or relieved themselves or seemed to pay any attention to any other canine in their purview . Nor did they seem to be outwardly interested in the food which was served at their tables .
Initially I thought that it just must be a phenomena in Switzerland . However one evening we crossed the Border into Germany to dine at a well respected Steak-House . There again dogs were sitting at the table . Again my friend offered up that the dogs are raised to behave properly .
I had arranged to stay for two weeks for what was to be two rounds of play-offs . However in the second game my friend clocked an opponent with a high stick and received a league administered ban for the remainder of the play-offs !
During my stay I learned a great deal about the organization of government and life in Switzerland which was much different than our governance here in the US . If I don`t end up with my own ban from this site for my several postings in the past 24 hours I may take the risk to describe what I learned .

[skyking]

A lot of two legged people don't wash their hands or butts either.

I'll bet you're not too pleased with the person who forced you to move to a dog friendly community......

:BigApplause::BigApplause: So true!

[gerryann]

I'm sorry, I just gotta say.... how much can we beat this dogs yes, dogs no thing. aNo one is going to change anyone's minds.
Everyone has their own opinion and it is what it is.
We need to come up with a more exciting topic to discuss.
This one has been beat to death in soooo many threads !!
Just sayin' !
Hope everyone has a wonderful restful night !!!

Bonny, don't understand posts such as this. If this much attention is being written about this subject matter, then apparently some folks are finding interest in it. If it is something that you don't have that much interest in.....then why keep opening it up?

[Bonny]

Bonny, don't understand posts such as this. If this much attention is being written about this subject matter, then apparently some folks are finding interest in it. If it is something that you don't have that much interest in.....then why keep opening it up?
It was done kind of light heartedly not nasty.
It really doesn't matter to me.

[MikeV]

I'm sorry, I just gotta say.... how much can we beat this dogs yes, dogs no thing. No one is going to change anyone's minds.
Everyone has their own opinion and it is what it is.
We need to come up with a more exciting topic to discuss.
This one has been beat to death in soooo many threads !!
Just sayin' !
Hope everyone has a wonderful restful night !!!

My sentiments exactly. :$:

[vj1213]

My husband and I went tonight for dinner. The burgers were excellent, had sweet potato fries and the onion rings (they are the best). Service was great also. We will definitely go back!

[yabbadu]

An interesting experience [ at least for me ]with dogs in public places .
Being raised about 90 miles from Montreal and 60 miles from Ottawa very near the Canadian Border and in a climate where winter set in about Nov. 1st and the snow finally melted in late April our major sport was Ice Hockey which I lived for .

I was a " commuting" student attending a near by State University College .
This allowed me to become a coach in the youth program of my native small town. One of my " kids " grew up and became the 1st pick in the second round of the NHL Draft . He went on to play at Western Michigan and then on to the NJ Devils organization .
He was assigned to the next level down in the American Hockey League . After a few season he headed to Switzerland where he became a big star in their professional league . In the late 90`s I ventured over to Zurich to watch him in their league Play-offs .
Whenever we went to any type of restaurant even very fine dining establishments I was amazed to often see dogs literally sitting on chairs at the table as the families enjoyed their meals .
When we went into very nice Malls and large Department Stores it was very common to see dogs on leashes accompanying their owners .
My friend explained that it was culturally expectable to bring dogs into stores and into dining establishments . I must add that to my amazement I never saw a dog who was ill behaved or relieved themselves or seemed to pay any attention to any other canine in their purview . Nor did they seem to be outwardly interested in the food which was served at their tables .
Initially I thought that it just must be a phenomena in Switzerland . However one evening we crossed the Border into Germany to dine at a well respected Steak-House . There again dogs were sitting at the table . Again my friend offered up that the dogs are raised to behave properly .
I had arranged to stay for two weeks for what was to be two rounds of play-offs . However in the second game my friend clocked an opponent with a high stick and received a league administered ban for the remainder of the play-offs !
During my stay I learned a great deal about the organization of government and life in Switzerland which was much different than our governance here in the US . If I don`t end up with my own ban from this site for my several postings in the past 24 hours I may take the risk to describe what I learned .

If one enjoys what happens in other countries as compared to the freedoms found in the USA then maybe its best for them to live there!

My dogs eat at home and never have asked to eat out. I choose not to infringe on other peoples meal time with my animals! Restaurants are for people (Humans)! Not animals!

[dbussone]

If one enjoys what happens in other countries as compared to the freedoms found in the USA then maybe its best for them to live there!



My dogs eat at home and never have asked to eat out. I choose not to infringe on other peoples meal time with my animals! Restaurants are for people (Humans)! Not animals!


There are restaurants in certain urban areas ( e.g. Atlanta, Phoenix, Las Vegas, Boston) where dogs are welcomed in certain areas of very fine restaurants. Perhaps you should reconsider where you live! And the health departments approve and inspect the restaurants. I think you are being more than a bit harsh.

[vj1213]

I'm sorry, I just gotta say.... how much can we beat this dogs yes, dogs no thing. No one is going to change anyone's minds.
Everyone has their own opinion and it is what it is.
We need to come up with a more exciting topic to discuss.
This one has been beat to death in soooo many threads !!
Just sayin' !
Hope everyone has a wonderful restful night !!!

You are so right...enough is enough! It is really quite simple folks...if a place allows dogs and you don't want to be around dogs...then don't go! The choice is very simple!

[Dianedabb]

We went to Square 1 Burger last night with our dog. We dined outside and we had wonderful dinner, our dog , had chicken patty with fresh broccoli for 2.99.
Yes, they do have the cutest Doggie menu . In my opinion the food was excellent but a little salty and we just loved the idea that we can bring our dog.

[Villages PL]

He he, I get it.

Also, Spanish Springs Town Square was the first to be built, so it is Square One. :jester:

[CFrance]

We went to Square 1 Burger last night with our dog. We dined outside and we had wonderful dinner, our dog , had chicken patty with fresh broccoli for 2.99.
Yes, they do have the cutest Doggie menu . In my opinion the food was excellent but a little salty and we just loved the idea that we can bring our dog.
:coolsmiley:

[raynan]

We were there last night and our group of 5 had different things. Everything was superb and the service was wonderful. In fact we commented to them that it was amazing service and food especially for only being opened less than 2 weeks.
Nancy

[gomoho]

Just got back from Square 1. Really liked the atmosphere. Our party of four arrived as they were changing shifts and there was some confusion as a result of that. Everyone thought the burgers were outstanding; however our bill came to $50 with the tip. This included 2 happy hour drinks each and burgers - no appetizers or desert. Little pricey for my budget, but am glad to have had the experience. Probably won't go back because of the price - can make them at home just as good, if not better, for no where near the cost. At this stage of my life when I go out to eat I'm willing to pay if they can do it better than me. But I'm Italian and love to cook so that probably explains things! I would highly encourage you to go just to check it out and enjoy the concept.

P.S. They really do have a doggie menu and if I did go back it would be to support this dog friendly concept. There were no dogs on the patio when I was there but it was a little cool out.

[Barefoot]

We went to Square 1 Burger last night with our dog. We dined outside and we had wonderful dinner, our dog , had chicken patty with fresh broccoli for 2.99. Yes, they do have the cutest Doggie menu . In my opinion the food was excellent but a little salty and we just loved the idea that we can bring our dog.

Thanks for that info Diane ... I'm glad you enjoyed your experience.
I've never heard of a restaurant having a Doggie menu.
It's a very clever idea. :clap2:
But please don't tell my two furry friends or they'll be bugging me to take them.

[mfearn285]

I visited Square 1 on Thursday night - it was pretty good but not sure I would have the Kobe burger again for the price - the angus beef burger was just as good if not better. The onion rings were yummy.... and the only issue I had was that the happy hour included martini's but only Vodka - no gin martinis so i had to pay $9.00 for a gin martini when my friend paid $3.00 for a vodka martini... I dont get it?!

[CFrance]

Thanks for that info Diane ... I'm glad you enjoyed your experience.
I've never heard of a restaurant having a Doggie menu.
It's a very clever idea. :clap2:
But please don't tell my two furry friends or they'll be bugging me to take them.

Uh-oh, you're in trouble, Bare. I heard that Lollipop has a "labtop" and has been monitoring this thread!:a20:

Two orders of barkeque wings comin' up for her and Biggins!

[pooh]

Had lunch today at Square 1. When we arrived, the place was filled with diners and there were quite a few people waiting outside. Got our pager from the hostess and step outside to wait....which wasn't a long wait. Sat at one of the high tables and our server arrived promptly. Got our drinks, placed our orders, sat back and watch as food was delivered to tables. All looked delicious. Our orders arrived fairly quickly....an All American burger and a Philly burger with onion rings as our side. There was a mistake in the kitchen, my burger came on a different roll than I asked for, and it also had cheese, which I asked to be omitted. The burger looked so good that I chose not to have it replaced. It was absolutely delicious and the cheese turned out to be perfect on this burger.
The onion rings side was more than enough and they were crispy and hot.
I know we'll be heading back again and again....)

[Barefoot]

Uh-oh, you're in trouble, Bare. I heard that Lollipop has a "labtop" and has been monitoring this thread!:a20: Two orders of barkeque wings comin' up for her and Biggins!

You're on your game tonight! Labtop. :a20:

Sorry about my hijack .. back to serious restaurant reports.

[Golfingnut]

We did lunch there today. Toy poodle next to our table and Kujo a few tables down. Both were very well behaved. I will go with dogs over grand kids in most situations. Nothing worse than a illmanored child. Oh yea, loved the burger.