Shooting at Kansas Jewish Community Center

[buggyone]

Police arrested a KKK leader for the killing of 3 people at a Jewish Community Center in Kansas City. He was spewing "heil Hitler" as police dragged him to the police car. What is wrong with the minds of some people to be so violently racist?

[graciegirl]

Police arrested a KKK leader for the killing of 3 people at a Jewish Community Center in Kansas City. He was spewing "heil Hitler" as police dragged him to the police car. What is wrong with the minds of some people to be so violently racist?



I don't know what causes such hatred. It is evil to the core. I am so sad for the three people's families whose lives he took. I hope he gets his just rewards, now and later.

[Parker]

Police arrested a KKK leader for the killing of 3 people at a Jewish Community Center in Kansas City. He was spewing "heil Hitler" as police dragged him to the police car. What is wrong with the minds of some people to be so violently racist?


There have always been, and will always be, people like this. The root of it is ignorance, the bloom of that root is always evil and misery. I don't understand it. Sad through and through for all involved.

[Parker]

Politics aside, aberrant behavior is seen in every society. I think racism is only one of many excuses for acting out.

[CFrance]

Politics aside, aberrant behavior is seen in every society. I think racism is only one of many excuses for acting out.

The nasty political comment was removed, thank goodness. This evil behavior has personal roots. Genetically inspired evil, IMO.

[ilovetv]

This article gives some facts about this sicko, and his past in federal prison for weapons caching.....

".....An Army veteran who fought in Vietnam, Miller turned to racist and anti-Semitic politics in the 1970s. He was a one-time “grand dragon” of the Carolina Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, according to the Southern Poverty Law Center, which monitors ultra-right-wing and paramilitary organizations.

He founded the White Patriot Party in the 1980s. He later served three years in federal prison after authorities found him and others with a weapons cache near Springfield.

He agreed to testify against other members of the group, which caused a bitter split among some members of underground paramilitary groups.

In 1999, he wrote a book called “A White Man Speaks Out.” One excerpt: “Keep your Race pure at all costs.”

He also ran for office several times, never getting more than a handful of write-in votes. He sought the 7th District U.S. House seat from Missouri in 2006.

The website for his 2010 campaign is still online, providing links to videos and statements, many of them anti-Semitic.

Read full story here:

Suspect in shootings at Jewish Community Center had racist views, a prison record - KansasCity.com (http://www.kansascity.com/2014/04/13/4958623/racist-views-a-prison-record.html#storylink=cpy)

[KathieI]

Yes, the newscast last night carried all this information but also they stated that he's been on the FBI/CIA (I never know the difference) watch list for a very long time. Too bad they couldn't have picked him up before he did this tragic event. So sad!!

[jimmy D]

If there is a hell. are you not sure???

[buggyone]

I really wonder about the mindset of such racist hate groups like the KKK calling themselves "patriots". In any other country, I believe such extremist hate groups would be hunted down and imprisoned.

The US Constitution works equally, I guess.

I am very glad to see there is no one on this forum trying to defend racist hate groups like the KKK. We do have mostly all very good people in The Villages.

[BarryRX]

As a Jew and a human being, I want to express my appreciation for having neighbors and friends like all of you. I am just about to sit down to our Passover Seder where Jews the world over celebrate how God delivered us from bondage in Egypt. This is, as far as I know, the first holiday in the world that celebrated freedom. It will take on an even deeper meaning tonight.

[redwitch]

To have someone spewing that garbage after having killed three innocent people is, at the very least, obscene. May he rot in the lowest depths of Hell.

[Taltarzac725]

http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance?gclid=CMLb4pC-4b0CFRFnOgodsD4AJA


This organization was featured on ABC News with Diane Sawyer in their coverage of this shooting. A talking head had said that this man who did this shooting was one of the Top Ten Hate Group leaders. I wonder how people can get this twisted?

[Bonanza]

http://www.splcenter.org/what-we-do/teaching-tolerance?gclid=CMLb4pC-4b0CFRFnOgodsD4AJA


This organization was featured on ABC News with Diane Sawyer in their coverage of this shooting. A talking head had said that this man who did this shooting was one of the Top Ten Hate Group leaders. I wonder how people can get this twisted?

How do people get to be this twisted?
My first thought is, "Like father, like son."
He probably was brought up hearing anti-racist and religious things within the home,
just like Mel Gibson and his father;
two of the biggest bigots aound

[kittygilchrist]

I don't know what causes such hatred. It is evil to the core. I am so sad for the three people's families whose lives he took. I hope he gets his just rewards, now and later.

You are right about the evil. Satan hates Jews. He hates everyone that God loves. As a people, Jews are unkillable. Biblical prophecy says God always and still has plans for them. Just one example from history. The expulsion from Israel, (which is the size of Rhode Island by the way) culminated in 70 AD with dispersion of Jews over many continents. They survived the continued hatred, inquisition, and Hitler, and returned to Israel in 1948. (as the scriptures had said they would)....who ever in history was expelled from their land for close to 2000 years, refused to assimilate, and took their country back? nobody ever.

Now their country is surrounded by Muslim nations, sons of Ishmael vs sons of Isaac. Wait and see what happens next. I am convinced the Bible tells the story of the planet from start to finish. The Jews have been entrusted with the very word of God. From Moses' Genesis to John's Revelation. That is an unspeakably sacred trust. But wait, that's not all. The son of God was also a Jew.

[graciegirl]

I am grateful for a Jewish Carpenter.


Happy Easter and Blessed Passover everyone.


Pass on all good that you find around you. Life here is very short.

[senior citizen]

Police arrested a KKK leader for the killing of 3 people at a Jewish Community Center in Kansas City. He was spewing "heil Hitler" as police dragged him to the police car. What is wrong with the minds of some people to be so violently racist?



They were not even Jewish.


Just crazy. Hopefully, he never sees the light of day. He brought it on himself by killing totally innocent people.


We have many wonderful Jewish friends who have enriched our lives. I do not understand how people can be so hateful and intolerant.

[senior citizen]

They were not even Jewish.


Just crazy. Hopefully, he never sees the light of day. He brought it on himself by killing totally innocent people.


We have many wonderful Jewish friends who have enriched our lives. I do not understand how people can be so hateful and intolerant.


White supremacist goes on rampage to kill Jewish people and ends up killing Christians....

We first heard the details on the CBS News last evening.
Now FOX news has printed it, as well as other newspapers.

'''''The family of two of the three people who died in the shooting released a statement Sunday identifying them as Dr. William Lewis Corporon and his 14-year-old grandson, Reat Griffin Underwood. They were both Christian, and the family thanked members of their church congregation, among other people, for their support.'''''

''''On Monday, Douglass identified the third victim as Terri Lamanno, 53, of Kansas City. Douglass said Lamanno was a member of a Catholic church in Kansas City and was visiting her mother Sunday at Village Shalom retirement community -- as she usually did -- when she was fatally shot by the gunman.'''''

[ron122049]

Police arrested a KKK leader for the killing of 3 people at a Jewish Community Center in Kansas City. He was spewing "heil Hitler" as police dragged him to the police car. What is wrong with the minds of some people to be so violently racist?

What an a--hole! Having just visited the Nazi death camp at Auschwitz it is hard to believe there are still nuts like this out there. But then he probably dropped out of "Red Neck High School" in the 9th grade. Fortunately, we saw quite a few groups of younger folks visiting the museum and former death camps. All were somber and respectful. Does Missouri have the death penalty? Hope so!

[twinklesweep]

I really wonder about the mindset of such racist hate groups like the KKK calling themselves "patriots"....

Sadly I have come across many people who equate members of hate groups as "patriots," many, though not all, racist. Extremism is extremism, but why the "patriot" label and how extremist or hate or racist groups' (so-called) philosophy has morphed into "patriotism" utterly baffles me. Can anyone shed some light on this phenomenon?

[Golfingnut]

As long as we have more than one religious belief, this will continue. Believing in a higher power is fine, but when you define your higher power as one specific faith, you are directly being disrespectful to those that do not believe as you do. Disrespect will always lead to violence. We should all convert to the oldest established religion or abandoned them all.

[senior citizen]

Obviously, mistaken identity by a lunatic.........which gave me "pause" when I first heard that the Jewish folks he "assumed" he was targeting.....weren't even of the Hebrew faith, but were Christians/Catholic. Our own "one and only" grandson learned Hebrew in order to sing with the Vermont Symphony Orchestra...

Our 12-Year-old grandson, 7th grade middle school student, sang with the VSO** performing in Leonard Bernstein’s "Chichester Psalms" as the boy soprano soloist.

His regular United Church of Christ choral director recognizes his amazing "boy soprano" voice, which won't last long.......and taught him the piece in HEBREW.....the kid's a genius, what can I say.

He performed it flawlessly as a solo number at two theatres in Burlington and Rutland.**Vermont Symphony Orchestra. Obviously, his parents are extremely proud, as are we.

However, as soon as the news came out about the senseless tragedy at the Jewish Center, etc. this remembrance popped into my head.......and then again, when the news stated that the three victims were NOT Jewish. God forbid, that another crazy person might shoot an innocent boy for singing in Hebrew, when he was actually Christian.

Crazy people do crazy things without even realizing who they are harming and that no matter who they killed, it was WRONG.

We have many beloved Jewish friends and their adult children , grandchildren, etc. We all think it was a senseless act.

p.s This same little boy (who yesterday was a baby; proud Grandma) is spending his April school vacation from middle school in a tiny mountain village in Nicaragua helping the host family and villagers perfect their English while he perfects his Spanish, and performing helpful "chores" along with the rest of his high school travelers/chaperones, etc. It's a town that the high school/middle school group has strong bonds with.....raising scholarship funds for the Nicaraguan kids, etc. I'm sure they are all sharing some music favorites as well. He flew out Easter Sunday for a one and a half week exchange program.

Just can't help thinking about people's assumptions and cases of mistaken identity in relation to the Jewish Center tragedy. Sometimes people do not use the brains that God gave them.

I was raised in a family that was non racist; I had friends of all ethnic groups and all religions. Still do. Totally DO NOT UNDERSTAND these neo Nazis and white supremacist's mindset.
Both my husband and I take each person as an individual, not based on their color or religion.

[graciegirl]

God forbid that another crazy person shoot an innocent person who is singing in Hebrew or French or Swahili or German or Chinese or English or humming along or signing. AMEN


Good morning everyone. It is another beautiful day in The Villages.

[senior citizen]

God forbid that another crazy person shoot an innocent person who is singing in Hebrew or French or Swahili or German or Chinese or English or humming along or signing. AMEN


Good morning everyone. It is another beautiful day in The Villages.


I was referring to him "targeting" Jewish people.

I wasn't the only one who thought that our grandson, age 12, might be senselessly "assumed" to be of the Hebrew faith by another "crazy" person.

[Golfingnut]

Does a skin head actually know why he has such deep hatred for those different from him?

Cavemen fought with the members of the cave on the other side of the valley.

Muslims fight with all infidels.

Racists fight with minorities.

Man is ignorant and violent, and only needs the slightest difference to go crazy. I feel it is also part of the basic instinct to survive.

If we were all Christians, same color, we would fight between the short and tall individuals.

[Bonanza]

As long as we have more than one religious belief, this will continue. Believing in a higher power is fine, but when you define your higher power as one specific faith, you are directly being disrespectful to those that do not believe as you do. Disrespect will always lead to violence. We should all convert to the oldest established religion or abandoned them all.

It is sadly factual that religion has caused
more problems in this world than anything else.

That is why we will never have world peace,
let alone peace within our own country.

[nitehawk]

Why cant we all just get along ?

[quirky3]

Why cant we all just get along ?

I'll drink to that!! :beer3:

[twinklesweep]

It is sadly factual that religion has caused
more problems in this world than anything else.

That is why we will never have world peace,
let alone peace within our own country.

I could not agree more. The worst atrocities committed by people against other people were in the name of religion. “My God is better than your god.” Or “My God is the ONLY God.” And on and on.

And it was not only one religion against another; it was also different groups within the same religion. A notable example, not well known, was the Cathar massacre by the forces of the Roman Catholic Church in 1209. The Cathars lived simply by the principles of Jesus and rejected the powerful structure that had become the Roman Catholic Church, who viewed the Cathars as heretics. It was from this massacre that the expression “Kill them all; God will know His own!” emerged.

Another notable example continues today in the Middle East. It’s a commonly held view in the Middle East that the worst Middle East conflict in the present is not between Israel and its Arab neighbors but rather between the Shia and the Sunni, both Muslim. There is blood vengeance that goes back to the year 632, when Muhammad died and the fight began as to which group would succeed him. It is amazing how long these memories can go on and on and on; the struggle continues today as potently as it was back then.

[graciegirl]

Let's not fight about religion again. It hurts too many good people. Both who quietly believe and quietly don't believe. Hating and killing is done in the name of many things. Wars are started for many reasons.


All we can direct is our own actions this morning.


It is a beautiful day in The Villages.

[Golfingnut]

I could not agree more. The worst atrocities committed by people against other people were in the name of religion. “My God is better than your god.” Or “My God is the ONLY God.” And on and on.

And it was not only one religion against another; it was also different groups within the same religion. A notable example, not well known, was the Cathar massacre by the forces of the Roman Catholic Church in 1209. The Cathars lived simply by the principles of Jesus and rejected the powerful structure that had become the Roman Catholic Church, who viewed the Cathars as heretics. It was from this massacre that the expression “Kill them all; God will know His own!” emerged.

Another notable example continues today in the Middle East. It’s a commonly held view in the Middle East that the worst Middle East conflict in the present is not between Israel and its Arab neighbors but rather between the Shia and the Sunni, both Muslim. There is blood vengeance that goes back to the year 632, when Muhammad died and the fight began as to which group would succeed him. It is amazing how long these memories can go on and on and on; the struggle continues today as potently as it was back then.

Without religion, we would find other things to get huffy about, but for now it is the top of the reasons why to go beserk on our fellow man.

[senior citizen]

Without religion, we would find other things to get huffy about, but for now it is the top of the reasons why to go beserk on our fellow man.


I respect all faiths/religions and also those who are atheists or agnostics. They have their reasons.

Ditto for those who profess a "spirituality" while not wanting to join an organized religion. Not all regular church goers are kind, nor do they follow the teachings of Jesus or any other great teacher. Jesus was a Jew, first and foremost.

However, the other evening, my husband and I were chatting about how simple life was when we were kids and everyone followed the Ten Commandments. Number one.....thou shalt not kill. Buddha also has some great teachings and meditations.

So simple. Perhaps the "fear" that was put into folks back in the old days worked...........even though we all know nowadays that fear is not the way to teach children of a loving God or higher power.........but to teach our kids that God is Love.............and to show it in our everyday lives..........

Those good old Ten Commandments might have caused some to pause before pulling the trigger on their fellow man.......(nowadays, often for no good reason........or probably, most likely high on drugs.)

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