Why non-Service dogs in restuarant

[Cobh521]

Why do people think that their pet must go to the restuarant with them? I am not talking about a service dog. I am talking about carrying in your pet Yorkie. I was at Too Jays today and someone brought in a dog and was seated inside in a booth. This is getting ridiculous. The manager did come over and speak to the woman. Apparently according to ADA they cannot ask the disability but they can ask certain questions. This woman did not pass and had to leave and was not happy about it. I have allergies and would not be annoyed to change my seat for a service dog, however I would be very annoyed having to change my seat for someone who brings their pet and has no consideration for other people. Thank you Too Jays on Canal Street for questioning this woman.

[perrjojo]

I've been down this path before, not goin' again!

[DonH57]

It beats me why some do. We were eating sunday brunch at Tierra Del Sol and the staff seated a family in our immediate area that had a small dog in a baby stroller. I couldn't help but laugh and almost choked on my food. I told my wife maybe I'll run to walmart and buy a baby stroller and place our dog Bailey in it and bring him the next week we come. I'll see if they discriminate against size.

[Papa]

Why do people think that their pet must go to the restuarant with them? I am not talking about a service dog. I am talking about carrying in your pet Yorkie. I was at Too Jays today and someone brought in a dog and was seated inside in a booth. This is getting ridiculous. The manager did come over and speak to the woman. Apparently according to ADA they cannot ask the disability but they can ask certain questions. This woman did not pass and had to leave and was not happy about it. I have allergies and would not be annoyed to change my seat for a service dog, however I would be very annoyed having to change my seat for someone who brings their pet and has no consideration for other people. Thank you Too Jays on Canal Street for questioning this woman.

I agree:BigApplause:

[graciegirl]

It doesn't happen often, I haven't seen it happen.


On Television there are many commercials where dogs lick their owners faces and that gives some folks here fits and bad spells.


Everyone is different. I don't have a dog. I love them and enjoy them, but wouldn't think to take them out to eat inside a restaurant.

Some people think that they can do anything they want and THAT is sad. I would hate to be the one to tell people to do what they should KNOW to do.

[Happinow]

It's not about having greater issues in the world. The thread is about bringing your dog into a restaurant and thinking that the rules don't apply to you. It is an issue, and to some of us a big one. Pets do not belong in any eatery. End of story. Only exceptions are service dogs. I don't want to sit in any booth or chair that a dog has been sitting in. I'm allergic to pet hair and pet dander. I thought I would be safe dining out and not having to worry about my pet allergies. Apparently I have to be conscious of eating out now as well.

[graciegirl]

I've been down this path before, not goin' again!



Yeah. You're right.

[Bonanza]

It doesn't happen often, I haven't seen it happen.

On Television there are many commercials where dogs lick their owners faces and that gives some folks here fits and bad spells.

Everyone is different. I don't have a dog. I love them and enjoy them, but probably would not think to take them to eat with us. No. I know I wouldn't.

But there are so many greater issues in this world to me.

I'm with you, Gracie.
We have dogs.
We love them and enjoy them.
We would never think of taking them to eat with us. Period!

Those who bring their non-service dog to a restaurant
are the same selfish, uncaring people
who bring their dog to one of the squares during an event,
walking them in the blazing sun, and on the hot asphalt street.

[graciegirl]

I think what I hate about threads like these are some, not all, but some use it as a way to voice their dislike of animals. That makes me sad because so many truly LOVE their pets and they fill important needs to them. It hurts me when people say they put them ahead of people. We aren't all blessed with caring people around us and pets are always loving to their owners.


Live and let live. It's not cancer. Nor the end of the earth or a REAL danger. I don't like a lot of things but realize that most people don't care. I keep it to myself. We can't all have the world run the way we like it.

[karostay]

When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task. Revised ADA Requirements: Service Animals (http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm)

[CFrance]

this subject has been hashed and rehashed, most recently here:

https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/square-1-burgers-111068/

I see no need to be going over it again. Everyone already knows how everyone else feels about the subject. If the dog is inside illegally, complain loudly to management. If it's outside in a permitted area, go somewhere else if you're not happy.

[Barefoot]

Why do people think that their pet must go to the restuarant with them? I am not talking about a service dog.

I think this was an isolated incident.
Not "people", just one person.
Just like people seeing a gator ringing their front door bell, it rarely happens.

I've NEVER seen a dog inside a restaurant, and we eat out often.
As you said in your post, the manager asked the person to leave.
End of story.

[Taltarzac725]

I noticed the Miniature Horses section of the ADA guidelines. Has anyone seen a miniature horse in a shop or restaurant in the Villages? http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm http://www.hospitalitylawcheckin.com/hotels/being-hospitable-to-service-animals/

http://www.guidehorse.com/faq_horses.htm

[yabbadu]

It doesn't happen often, I haven't seen it happen.


On Television there are many commercials where dogs lick their owners faces and that gives some folks here fits and bad spells.


Everyone is different. I don't have a dog. I love them and enjoy them, but wouldn't think to take them out to eat inside a restaurant.

Some people think that they can do anything they want and THAT is sad. I would hate to be the one to tell people to do what they should KNOW to do.

I own a dog and never once did my dog ask to go to store much less an eating establishment......BUT if they did talk I would tell them I will take them to the dog park so they can be with other like animals while I go a place for humans to eat and play! (NOT talking about true service dogs)

[Bavarian]

I think what I hate about threads like these are some, not all, but some use it as a way to voice their dislike of animals. That makes me sad because so many truly LOVE their pets and they fill important needs to them. It hurts me when people say they put them ahead of people. We aren't all blessed with caring people around us and pets are always loving to their owners.


Live and let live. It's not cancer. Nor the end of the earth or a REAL danger. I don't like a lot of things but realize that most people don't care. I keep it to myself. We can't all have the world run the way we like it.

Dittos

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions: (1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. Staff cannot ask about the person’s disability, require medical documentation, require a special identification card or training documentation for the dog, or ask that the dog demonstrate its ability to perform the work or task. Revised ADA Requirements: Service Animals (http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm)

So basically, anyone can bring any dog into a restaurant just by saying that it's a service dog and that it has been train to help with a disability. No proof is required. Kind of like when you get stopped by the police in your car and you say that you have a driver's license but you're not going to show it and you haven't been drinking and you're not going to take any test to prove that you are sober.

[Dr Winston O Boogie jr]

I think what I hate about threads like these are some, not all, but some use it as a way to voice their dislike of animals. That makes me sad because so many truly LOVE their pets and they fill important needs to them. It hurts me when people say they put them ahead of people. We aren't all blessed with caring people around us and pets are always loving to their owners.


Live and let live. It's not cancer. Nor the end of the earth or a REAL danger. I don't like a lot of things but realize that most people don't care. I keep it to myself. We can't all have the world run the way we like it.

Gracie, I love animals and especially dogs. I don't have one now, but when I did it had to be a dog that doesn't shed because of allergies. It may not be cancer, but a shedding dog sitting next to me in a restaurant would make me very uncomfortable. I would have a runny nose and itchy burning eyes for a day or two afterward.

[perrjojo]

So basically, anyone can bring any dog into a restaurant just by saying that it's a service dog and that it has been train to help with a disability. No proof is required. Kind of like when you get stopped by the police in your car and you say that you have a driver's license but you're not going to show it and you haven't been drinking and you're not going to take any test to prove that you are sober.

Actually you may purchase a service animal vest and papers on line. :undecided: If proof were required, who would be the authority to certify that it was indeed a service animal?

[gerryann]

What a bummer...all the restaurants in TV are going to the dogs. I would love to hear of all the experiences you've all had with the dogs IN the restaurants. There are no experiences because it doesn't happen.

It is illegal to have pets in restaurants unless they are a service dog. Why does the argument continue to intrigue folks? If you dislike dogs, don't get one, don't go near one, and by all means stay away from the two restaurants that allow dogs on their patios (legally). Until then, why not leave the subject die until a legitimate complaint arises.

[gerryann]

Actually you may purchase a service animal vest and papers on line. :undecided: If proof were required, who would be the authority to certify that it was indeed a service animal?

There are extensive laws regarding this. I'm sure that the restaurant managers know what they can and can't ask. I don't think it's a real issue because I'll bet this rarely happens.

[Cobh521]

Gracie, I love animals and especially dogs. I don't have one now, but when I did it had to be a dog that doesn't shed because of allergies. It may not be cancer, but a shedding dog sitting next to me in a restaurant would make me very uncomfortable. I would have a runny nose and itchy burning eyes for a day or two afterward.

I love dogs also but they do not like me. I am very allergic and I did own a dog that was hypoallergenic. Some responders say stay away from the places that let them in. Again if it was a service dog I would gladly change my seat. For other dogs, that do not belong, I would not change my seat. I get a runny nose and runny eyes from dogs but I also go into an allergic induced asthma attack and lose my breath. Would I be able to have the dog owner pay my ambulance and hospital bill if that happened. It is not I dislike for dogs, it is a true medical issue just as a service dog is for a disabled person. Please don't abuse the ADA laws. If you truly have a disability, you belong and I have to deal with that. If you do not have a disability, leave your dog home.

[CFrance]

Gracie, I love animals and especially dogs. I don't have one now, but when I did it had to be a dog that doesn't shed because of allergies. It may not be cancer, but a shedding dog sitting next to me in a restaurant would make me very uncomfortable. I would have a runny nose and itchy burning eyes for a day or two afterward.

Then, in a restaurant that has the permit for dogs on the patio, you could choose to sit inside, just as you could to avoid cigarette smoke in a restaurant that permits smokers on the patio.

There are choices and restrictions for all sorts of things. Fit yourself into what works for you. No one person/group has the right to have everything their particular way.

[JP]

It's ridiculous. These people think there pets are their friends and/or babies.

Hello....THEY ARE DOGS. They do not belong in restaurants!!

[CFrance]

It's ridiculous. These people think there pets are their friends and/or babies.

Hello....THEY ARE DOGS. They do not belong in restaurants!!

That is one opinion. Others disagree. Tell the 40-some states in the US, plus Puerto Rico and every country in the EU, that they don't belong in restaurants. They disagree with you.

Europe and Puerto Rico don't even mind cats in restaurants.

Have you ever been to the Caribbean? The outdoor parts of the restaurants there have birds eating out of the sugar bowl and drinking out of the cream pitcher; many others walk around on the floor while you're eating, waiting for you to drop something.

The Lorikeets in Australia perch on the chairs on the sidewalk cafes, even in downtown Sydney, waiting to rob you of your food.

You can either find it charming or boycott those restaurants.

[OBXNana]

I've avoided this conversation in the past, but felt the need to respond. Birds do eat in open restaurants in the Caribbean. They are not domesticated animals. Dogs have owners that make choices to take them to restaurants and allow them to poop in the neighbors yard!

[TheVillageChicken]

My opinion is that this issue has not a lot to do with dogs. It is all about human choices and behavior, influenced in some cases, by arrogance on one side, intolerance on the other, and a sense of entitlement on both. I fall on the intolerance side of the issue due to a trauma earlier in life. As I stepped out of my hippy bus to take my first footstep in Paris, I took that step in dog poop. I was wearing bell bottoms.

[CFrance]

I've avoided this conversation in the past, but felt the need to respond. Birds do eat in open restaurants in the Caribbean. They are not domesticated animals. Dogs have owners that make choices to take them to restaurants and allow them to poop in the neighbors yard!
You're ignoring the part about the 40+ states and territories who have restaurants that allow dogs.

It just boils down to a choice. It's allowed in many restaurants outdoors. If you don't like it, don't go there. Can't imagine why you would forgive the lack of hygiene of birds walking all over your table but object to a dog sitting on the floor in the restaurant, especially when the birds carry more possibility of transmitting germs than the dogs. You either like animals being in restos or you don't.

[gerryann]

It's ridiculous. These people think there pets are their friends and/or babies.

Hello....THEY ARE DOGS. They do not belong in restaurants!!

What people are you referring to? The folks that have a disability have as much right as you do to bring their dog into a restaurant. If you are referring to anyone else bringing a dog into a restaurant.....give me an example....it doesn't happen.

[gerryann]

I love dogs also but they do not like me. I am very allergic and I did own a dog that was hypoallergenic. Some responders say stay away from the places that let them in. Again if it was a service dog I would gladly change my seat. For other dogs, that do not belong, I would not change my seat. I get a runny nose and runny eyes from dogs but I also go into an allergic induced asthma attack and lose my breath. Would I be able to have the dog owner pay my ambulance and hospital bill if that happened. It is not I dislike for dogs, it is a true medical issue just as a service dog is for a disabled person. Please don't abuse the ADA laws. If you truly have a disability, you belong and I have to deal with that. If you do not have a disability, leave your dog home.

If you have a severe allergy to dogs, then why do you go around them? This is a dog friendly community. There are many area....stores, restaurants, clubs, activities where dogs are NOT allowed. Go to the places where you will not be subjected to a dog. If your allergy is as severe as you say, you should avoid ALL public places because there is always the chance of a service dog being around you. I was on a cruise recently and there was a beautiful German Shepard service dog on board. There are so many communities where dogs are totally prohibited in Florida, that would be a solution for someone with as severe of an allergy as you have.

[lovsthosebigdogs]

I often wonder about those severely allergic people that sit next to me or very near me in a restaurant or movie theater or in line somewhere. I am sure I have dog hair and dog dander on my clothes and person. I have never had anyone suddenly sneeze or get sick from me that I know of. I guess I have just been very fortunate with regards to proximity, or should I say others have who suffer. I would never want to intentionally make anyone ill but I do share my home, car and life with my dogs.

[Patty55]

I noticed the Miniature Horses section of the ADA guidelines. Has anyone seen a miniature horse in a shop or restaurant in the Villages? Revised ADA Requirements: Service Animals (http://www.ada.gov/service_animals_2010.htm) Being Hospitable to Service Animals* : Hospitality Law Check-In (http://www.hospitalitylawcheckin.com/hotels/being-hospitable-to-service-animals/)

Miniature Horse Facts (http://www.guidehorse.com/faq_horses.htm)

Not with a mini, but we've brought the pony to the food court area at The Hampton's. Nothing to do with ADA, he wasn't a "comfort pony"... it just seemed like a good idea. Only one person had a problem, some kid after he ate her cheese fries.

He's also been to birthday parties.

[Happydaz]

I often wonder about those severely allergic people that sit next to me or very near me in a restaurant or movie theater or in line somewhere. I am sure I have dog hair and dog dander on my clothes and person. I have never had anyone suddenly sneeze or get sick from me that I know of. I guess I have just been very fortunate with regards to proximity, or should I say others have who suffer. I would never want to intentionally make anyone ill but I do share my home, car and life with my dogs.

One of my sons has an allergy to dogs and cats and he does react to people who have animal dander on their clothes. He doesn't say anything to those pet owners if he meets them at work, etc.. He just tries to move to another side of the room or leave the area. Sneezing is just one symptom of allergies. Feeling sick and congested are other less obvious symptoms. You wouldn't really know my son was having problems just by listening for sneezng. He doesn't sneeze, he just feels awful. He avoids going into homes that have dogs or cats.

[Bavarian]

These threads keep going and going, just like the Energizer Bunny.. There is no solution other then people who don't like dogs to eat somewhere else.

Birds also eat in restaurants in Hawai'i, you cover your dish when not eating.

The anti-dog people want to exert power. They used power to ban smoking starting in the early '60s. Before that few of any were claimed to be allergic to smoke. Now they want to ban smoking in people's homes. it is just a exertion of power. That is why the responses never change and are getting monotonous and are just reruns.

[Barefoot]

These threads keep going and going, just like the Energizer Bunny.. There is no solution other then people who don't like dogs to eat somewhere else.

The anti-dog people want to exert power. They used power to ban smoking starting in the early '60s. Before that few of any were claimed to be allergic to smoke. Now they want to ban smoking in people's homes. it is just a exertion of power. That is why the responses never change and are getting monotonous and are just reruns.

There are only a handful of restaurants that allow dogs on the patio. Unfortunately, anti-dog people want to exert control over 100% of eating establishments.

Live and let live.