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senior citizen
04-28-2014, 05:02 AM
Eleven years ago some "Villagers" picketed???

Since many posters, on various threads, have mentioned "retention ponds" as "possibly" being an issue with the sinkholes, we were discussing this theory over the weekend. A relative found this eleven (11) year old article and emailed it to us. Apparently, the "powers that be" have known about this issue for quite some time now. Perhaps the issue isn't as "rare" as some think it is. Also, it alludes to the fact that concrete (back then) may not be working?? Also, that plastic liners are now installed beneath new retention ponds. Maybe this is why people, over the past year or so, have warned me not to buy near a retention pond???? I was thinking alligators and snakes all along. Stupid me. It really pays to do some advance research and then make an educated decision. The facts are out there.


And......what about the drinking water supply???? Aquifers?

Also, read below.....six homeowners , who paid premium prices for waterfront property in T.V., picketed the developer to fix the problem at their homes.

Anyone remember this from eleven years ago? Article mentions the village neighborhood. Guess they learned "the hard way".
Villages Has That Sinking Feeling
Water Managers Told The Community To Fix The Problem Of Sinkholes In Its Retention Ponds.
March 26, 2003|By Robert Sargent Jr., Sentinel Staff Writer


OXFORD -- The Villages has been put on notice to fix a growing problem of sinkholes in the retirement community, which potentially could taint its drinking-water supply with storm water.

The Southwest Florida Water Management District has ordered The Villages to find a permanent solution for sinkholes that repeatedly emptied a large retention pond in northeast Sumter County. The pond is supposed to hold water year-round, and several residents paid premium prices for waterfront homes.

A deadline was set for Thursday, but now The Villages has requested more time -- until April 11 -- to submit a remedy, according to water-district officials.

"There is potential for problems if that retention pond is designed to capture pollutants," said water-district spokesman Michael Molligan.

Molligan said The Villages is in a part of the state prone to major sinkhole problems. The area has relatively thin layers of soft soil on the surface, allowing water to flush quickly through to underlying limestone and groundwater supplies.

Rainwater draining through the soil can erode the limestone, which eventually gives way to the heavy soil above and creates sinkholes. Large retention ponds can worsen the problem, with even more water and weight on the surface.

Retention ponds collect stormwater runoff from streets and lawns, which can add oil, pesticides and other pollution. Developers often are required to line ponds with heavy clay or plastic liners to prevent the pollution from flushing into the underground aquifer.

"Sinkholes in retention ponds tend to facilitate the discharge of untreated storm runoff into the drinking-water aquifer and could pose a threat to public health and safety," water-management officials warned in a March 5 letter to Pete Wahl, administrator of the developer-controlled Village Center Community Development District government.

Wahl said the community's engineers are "looking for options" for a permanent fix. He would not discuss any of those options.

Water officials are concerned about a large retention pond The Villages calls Lago Bonito -- Spanish for "pretty lake."

Six homeowners there paid premium prices for waterfront homes. When a hole swallowed all the water last year, they picketed the developer to fix the problem.

Then another hole opened up last month -- infuriating the residents again.

"There have been, in fact, several occurrences of sinkholes over the years, and the plugging of these holes with compacted clay and/or concrete grout does not appear to be working," water managers reported. "Therefore, we believe a more permanent alternative needs to be found."

The Villages commonly uses concrete and clay for years to fill in holes that have opened up around the community. The water district suggests The Villages install synthetic liners underneath Lago Bonito as a more permanent fix.

Molligan said The Villages has discussed the sinkhole problem with water officials several times in the past. The community now installs plastic liners under its newer retention ponds to prevent sinkholes.


 


 

Golfingnut
04-28-2014, 05:20 AM
Is there a Villages Sun article on this? I searched but could not find any.

graciegirl
04-28-2014, 05:32 AM
Eleven years ago some "Villagers" picketed???

Since many posters, on various threads, have mentioned "retention ponds" as "possibly" being an issue with the sinkholes, we were discussing this theory over the weekend. A relative found this eleven (11) year old article and emailed it to us. Apparently, the "powers that be" have known about this issue for quite some time now. Perhaps the issue isn't as "rare" as some think it is. Also, it alludes to the fact that concrete (back then) may not be working?? Also, that plastic liners are now installed beneath new retention ponds. Maybe this is why people, over the past year or so, have warned me not to buy near a retention pond???? I was thinking alligators and snakes all along. Stupid me. It really pays to do some advance research and then make an educated decision. The facts are out there.


And......what about the drinking water supply???? Aquifers?

Also, read below.....six homeowners , who paid premium prices for waterfront property in T.V., picketed the developer to fix the problem at their homes.

Anyone remember this from eleven years ago? Article mentions the village neighborhood. Guess they learned "the hard way".
Villages Has That Sinking Feeling
Water Managers Told The Community To Fix The Problem Of Sinkholes In Its Retention Ponds.
March 26, 2003|By Robert Sargent Jr., Sentinel Staff Writer


OXFORD -- The Villages has been put on notice to fix a growing problem of sinkholes in the retirement community, which potentially could taint its drinking-water supply with storm water.

The Southwest Florida Water Management District has ordered The Villages to find a permanent solution for sinkholes that repeatedly emptied a large retention pond in northeast Sumter County. The pond is supposed to hold water year-round, and several residents paid premium prices for waterfront homes.

A deadline was set for Thursday, but now The Villages has requested more time -- until April 11 -- to submit a remedy, according to water-district officials.

"There is potential for problems if that retention pond is designed to capture pollutants," said water-district spokesman Michael Molligan.

Molligan said The Villages is in a part of the state prone to major sinkhole problems. The area has relatively thin layers of soft soil on the surface, allowing water to flush quickly through to underlying limestone and groundwater supplies.

Rainwater draining through the soil can erode the limestone, which eventually gives way to the heavy soil above and creates sinkholes. Large retention ponds can worsen the problem, with even more water and weight on the surface.

Retention ponds collect stormwater runoff from streets and lawns, which can add oil, pesticides and other pollution. Developers often are required to line ponds with heavy clay or plastic liners to prevent the pollution from flushing into the underground aquifer.

"Sinkholes in retention ponds tend to facilitate the discharge of untreated storm runoff into the drinking-water aquifer and could pose a threat to public health and safety," water-management officials warned in a March 5 letter to Pete Wahl, administrator of the developer-controlled Village Center Community Development District government.

Wahl said the community's engineers are "looking for options" for a permanent fix. He would not discuss any of those options.

Water officials are concerned about a large retention pond The Villages calls Lago Bonito -- Spanish for "pretty lake."

Six homeowners there paid premium prices for waterfront homes. When a hole swallowed all the water last year, they picketed the developer to fix the problem.

Then another hole opened up last month -- infuriating the residents again.

"There have been, in fact, several occurrences of sinkholes over the years, and the plugging of these holes with compacted clay and/or concrete grout does not appear to be working," water managers reported. "Therefore, we believe a more permanent alternative needs to be found."

The Villages commonly uses concrete and clay for years to fill in holes that have opened up around the community. The water district suggests The Villages install synthetic liners underneath Lago Bonito as a more permanent fix.

Molligan said The Villages has discussed the sinkhole problem with water officials several times in the past. The community now installs plastic liners under its newer retention ponds to prevent sinkholes.


 


 



















Obviously that problem was fixed. This problem is not limited to The Villages, nor is it caused by anyone, it is a natural occurrence. It does pay to do advance research and you have been researching since 2008.

Golfingnut
04-28-2014, 05:41 AM
Good thing is that if we have a surge in sinkholes, our property values will go down and that will lower our property tax. Yea, we can all benefit from lower tax.

:BigApplause:

mulligan
04-28-2014, 05:55 AM
When the value goes down, the rate goes up. One way or the other, we're going to pay.

Golfingnut
04-28-2014, 06:00 AM
When the value goes down, the rate goes up. One way or the other, we're going to pay.

I thought taxes were based on property value. I also searched but can't find history of any sink holes in the historic section.

OldManTime
04-28-2014, 06:28 AM
Three ladies from Salido Dr. were out on 441/27 picketing, the day Jeb Bush was to come into Spanish Springs, he was rerouted. It was this pressure from residents that forced the VCCD to repair it properly

Bogie Shooter
04-28-2014, 06:41 AM
The thought of moving to The Villages by some, that do nothing but research for all and any little issue they can escalate and drag out for all to rehash....................................should just give up. Nearly all issues cited have been fixed a long time ago or are really not an issue in the first place.
Why not move on to another place to retire?

Madelaine Amee
04-28-2014, 07:13 AM
The thought of moving to The Villages by some, that do nothing but research for all and any little issue they can escalate and drag out for all to rehash....................................should just give up. Nearly all issues cited have been fixed a long time ago or are really not an issue in the first place.
Why not move on to another place to retire?

:BigApplause: I'll second this post. Move on Senior, you would not be happy here!

Golfingnut
04-28-2014, 07:33 AM
You are welcome in The Villages Senior.
Most of us love more than our own small world.
Come on down and god be with you