High end chain restaurant

[Maxman]

I know we have Bonefish Grill and Carrabba's, but do you think we can support better chain restaurants? I would prefer excellent privately owned restaurants, but I don't think they have a chance here. Love to see chains like Ruths Chris, Flemmings, Buca di Beppo; or even lower end choices like the Cheesecake Factory, P. F. Changs, and Houston's here instead of driving to Orlando. It seems to me that we really have no good options for an aged steak, quality Italian, or Asian here in TV.

We have lots of great bar food type establishments, and the battered fried food is great, although not to good for our longevity. Palmer and Lopez offer better dinning, but still not up to par with any of the better chains or high end family owned restaurants.

Coming from the heavily populated North East, I have been spoiled by excellent gourmet restaurants. I wonder if most people in TV really care or are satisfied with our meager offerings?

[marianne237]

Have to agree with you. Many chain restaurants and not too many independents. Seems like when we visit Tampa/Clearwater area we see a lot of decent places and wonder why they're not here.

[keithwand]

When we lived in Winter Park we enjoyed PF Changs, Cheesecake Factory and Mitchell's Seafood at WP Village.
1 hour away and lots to do.
As for here we would love them to come.

[buggyone]

I know we have Bonefish Grill and Carrabba's, but do you think we can support better chain restaurants? I would prefer excellent privately owned restaurants, but I don't think they have a chance here. Love to see chains like Ruths Chris, Flemmings, Buca di Beppo; or even lower end choices like the Cheesecake Factory, P. F. Changs, and Houston's here instead of driving to Orlando. It seems to me that we really have no good options for an aged steak, quality Italian, or Asian here in TV.

We have lots of great bar food type establishments, and the battered fried food is great, although not to good for our longevity. Palmer and Lopez offer better dinning, but still not up to par with any of the better chains or high end family owned restaurants.

Coming from the heavily populated North East, I have been spoiled by excellent gourmet restaurants. I wonder if most people in TV really care or are satisfied with our meager offerings?

It seems as though most of the posters on TOTV have issues about the cost of our country clubs. I do not think enough would pay the prices at Fleming's or Ruth Chris which will easily go $175 for two dinners and two cocktails or wine.

As for PF Chang or Cheesecake Factory, could they compete pricewise with what we already have and draw enough customers on a year round basis to survive?

For gourmet chains, drive to Orlando and experience life outside The Villages once in a while. It makes a special occasion more special.

[Cathy H]

for example TGI Friday could not survive here (closed last spring). So many diners seem to be in "groups" of 6,8 10 and then the cheapest member of the group usually decides where they should eat & price is always a factor. and they can keep their hat on in the place.

[CFrance]

I'm running out of things we need at Ikea to justify driving to Orlando just so we can have lunch at Brio!

[RErmer]

I know we have Bonefish Grill and Carrabba's, but do you think we can support better chain restaurants? I would prefer excellent privately owned restaurants, but I don't think they have a chance here. Love to see chains like Ruths Chris, Flemmings, Buca di Beppo; or even lower end choices like the Cheesecake Factory, P. F. Changs, and Houston's here instead of driving to Orlando. It seems to me that we really have no good options for an aged steak, quality Italian, or Asian here in TV.

We have lots of great bar food type establishments, and the battered fried food is great, although not to good for our longevity. Palmer and Lopez offer better dinning, but still not up to par with any of the better chains or high end family owned restaurants.

Coming from the heavily populated North East, I have been spoiled by excellent gourmet restaurants. I wonder if most people in TV really care or are satisfied with our meager offerings?

I absolutely agree with you on the need for some upscale restaurants. Every year on my Villages survey I write in Ruths Chris. My husband and I talk about the quality of restaurants here, and just don't think there are enough Villagers willing to pay the high prices that go with fine dining. Unfortunately, I doubt any upscale restaurants will spend the millions necessary to establish such a restaurant and find out!

[lpkshop]

I totally agree. I would love a Ruth's Chris. Heading back north this summer with a list of restaurants especially steak house and Chinese ( far from upscale but nothing down here)
Oh yeah Italian , Japanese . Have to run I'm getting hungry :)

[applesoffh]

My husband and I agree! Coming from NYC, where dining options in many price ranges abound, the selection of restaurants here in TV leaves much to be desired, IMHO. We're not food snobs by any means, but would love dining experience that doesn't involve a one-hour drive (health problems) in any direction.

[buggyone]

My husband and I agree! Coming from NYC, where dining options in many price ranges abound, the selection of restaurants here in TV leaves much to be desired, IMHO. We're not food snobs by any means, but would love dining experience that doesn't involve a one-hour drive (health problems) in any direction.

You have well over 100 restaurants in The Villages to choose from!
Ocala is a 40 minute drive and has some upscale restaurants.
You may well frequent a high end restaurant such as Ruth Chris but do you honestly feel as though enough Villagers would pay $175+ on a regular basis for Ruth Chris to open a restaurant here?

[joanramu]

Another one that agrees for the need for better restaurants and not having to drive to Orlando for that gastronomic experience. We just visited TV last week to look at homes to purchase and were seriously disappointed with what is offered in the community. Same applies to shopping for women's clothing, but good restaurants (not necessarily upscale $$$ ones) is important to us. Brownwood Center is now developing and offers an opportunity to lure and bring in a few different restaurants from what is now available and that are not the fastfood-fried-food type ones.

[EnglishJW]

We agree with the OP in general and about Ruth Chris in particular. I am sorry to hear that TGIF failed in TV but I tend to see restaurant chains like it aiming for a younger crowd. Having said that, my wife and I just got back from our all too short visit to TV (4 days). We want to thank everyone for their recommendations concerning the best places to eat. We want to give a very special thank you to the Gourmet Club. We were able to have breakfast at: First Watch (“If pancakes for lunch are wrong, we don’t want to be right.”); SonRise; Lil Bits Café; and Panera Bread (a chain we enjoy) on Market Square. Our lunches were at Too Jay’s; Cody’s Roadhouse; and Five Guys at Paddock Square (just to spend a bit more time in the newest square). We started off with dinner and a show at Katie Belle’s followed by evening meals at City Fire Market Square, Cane Garden CC, and Ay! Jalisco. Thank you again since we enjoyed all of those meals. We’ll be thinking about all of you for the next few weeks as we try to get rid of the new found weight!

[applesoffh]

You have well over 100 restaurants in The Villages to choose from!
Ocala is a 40 minute drive and has some upscale restaurants.
You may well frequent a high end restaurant such as Ruth Chris but do you honestly feel as though enough Villagers would pay $175+ on a regular basis for Ruth Chris to open a restaurant here?

No, I don't believe many would pay $175+ often enough to make an upscale restauant want to come here. The 100+ restaurants in TV are, for the most part, pretty mediocre, but it is possible to get a wonderful breakfast or lunch at some of the mom & pop places both in and outside TV. It's really a matter of what someone likes to eat, and with people here from all over the country, its just too subjective. I end up cooking almost every evening. Not arguing, and not claiming to have a sophisticated palate, but I know what I like and rarely find it at a restaurant here.

[TV Admirer]

We are not yet villagers and certainly didn't have time to visit all the offerings on our 7 day Lifestyle Preview. I agree with those posters that are looking for more upscale dining, however. While I agree that a Ruths' Chris type restaurant may have a difficult time attracting a consistent clientele it would be nice to have other offerings. Even something like Cheesecake Factory which has such a huge menu would be welcome. While some have indicated most are looking for "cheap eats" it appears with the prices quickly rising on new homes that more affluent residents will be arriving!

So much depends on perspective. Those villagers who have lived most of their lives in small towns and villages most likely find the shopping and dining offerings in the villages plentiful. Those of us who have lived in larger cities may bemoan the loss of the opportunities we left behind.

I do, however, have a suggestion for those of you looking for a good steak. Have you tried the filet at Carrabba's? When they first opened here in Louisville, we were eager to try a new Italian restaurant. (Being from the northeast where there are TONS of great Italian eateries, we were disappointed with the local offerings!) Our first few visits were the Italian entrees which we enjoyed. However, on one visit our server recommended the filet marsala and we were hooked! It was actually a better steak that we have had at some of the "upscale" restaurants mentioned by other posters! It's offered with 3 other toppings besides the marsala - bryan is one and I can't remember the others. Give it a try and let us all know what you think!

[784caroline]

A place like Ruth Chris would be great.....but the only way you will see Ruth Chris in Central Florida is if there is a "Casino" nearby in the the future!!

[Villager Dude]

A place like Ruth Chris would be great.....but the only way you will see Ruth Chris in Central Florida is if there is a "Casino" nearby in the the future!!

As much as we would like to see the great restaurants I just don't think the demographics will support it. Maybe as we build out and the Fruitland Park " High End "
homes are built maybe they will help the demographics to support these great restaurants.

[golf2140]

A high end steak house was tried in Spanish Springs, it lasted 6 months. A lot of folks in TV dine out 4 to 6 evenings, not looking to break the bank each night. Just my thoughts.

[Patty55]

High end chain restaurant? Isn't that an oxymoron? Kind of like ax murderer/babysitter?

IMO we already have too many chain restaurants and it seems that whenever an independent restaurant opens everyone can't wait to see it fail.

I JUST DON'T GET IT.

[Yung Dum]

High end chain restaurant? Isn't that an oxymoron? Kind of like ax murderer/babysitter?

IMO we already have too many chain restaurants and it seems that whenever an independent restaurant opens everyone can't wait to see it fail.

I JUST DON'T GET IT.

I agree, but I would like Ruths Chris, but not every night. I haven't had a good steak in the 10 years I've been here. I also think the lack of independents and abundance of chains just makes TV look kind of bland. And the Outback here is the worst in the country.

[DougB]

Wah, wah, wah!

[jblum315]

I would be happy if we had even just one decent Chinese restaurant. Good grief, there are good Chinese restaurants in Cuba! in Edinburgh! Probably in Kansas, in Texas. It doesn't require masses of Chinese residents. I can cook good Chinese food at home

[Bonanza]

We probably will never have a Ruth's Chris here in our lifetime.

We probably will never have a Costco here in our lifetime.

We will never have either of them here in our lifetime,
and the reason we won't have either of them is because
we don't have the population to support them.

[DeanFL]

We are relatively new TVrs, and it does startle us that the population (even the summer pop) may not support new independent restaurants. I mean we have 105K+ locals and more adding in surrounding populations. I recall reading that the average annual income of TVrs is almost $100K/year (if true, we are bringing that down...). True or not - we DO have a quite hefty disposable income stream in TV. A shame that we don't attract new non-chain places.

One would think a good % of TVrs would stream to new restaurants that offer good food, prepared well, at competitive pricing.

[784caroline]

A high end steak house was tried in Spanish Springs, it lasted 6 months. A lot of folks in TV dine out 4 to 6 evenings, not looking to break the bank each night. Just my thoughts.

What was the name of this "High End" steak house ?

[pooh]

If the companies who own these restaurants won't come, how does one plan on getting them here? A letter writing campaign? Restaurants also have a bottom line and if they are not going to make a profit, no coming to an area.
There are some who are willing to pay a bit more for a meal they enjoy, there are some who complain at the prices when there is an increase or when a new place opens. Restaurants face increased costs for food, insurance, staff and while many assume that they can easily absorb the extra cost and not pass it along to customers, they can't, won't, shouldn't have too.
Remember we picked this area to live in...hopefully one took the time to see what was in the area. Surely not all of us had our ideal pick of our favorites where we moved from.

[dah1020]

I totally agree. For whatever reason the food at all of the country clubs is not good. Bland veggies. Fried or stuff not made from scratch. Just yesterday I went past a local restaurant and got a look at kitchen staff out back and was horrified I will definitely never eat there again. I would not want any one of the touching anything I eat! And people here can be cheap,cheap,cheap. Why because they are here living the life and they eat most of their meals out and don't want to spend high dollars amounts per meal. Sooooo they do cheap and don't care about quality. It's quantity they are after. I'm from Midwest and can tell you there were better eating places there than here

[janmcn]

If the companies who own these restaurants won't come, how does one plan on getting them here? A letter writing campaign? Restaurants also have a bottom line and if they are not going to make a profit, no coming to an area.
There are some who are willing to pay a bit more for a meal they enjoy, there are some who complain at the prices when there is an increase or when a new place opens. Restaurants face increased costs for food, insurance, staff and while many assume that they can easily absorb the extra cost and not pass it along to customers, they can't, won't, shouldn't have too.
Remember we picked this area to live in...hopefully one took the time to see what was in the area. Surely not all of us had our ideal pick of our favorites where we moved from.


Very well stated. Prospective buyers should look hard at what is here, not what they imagine would be here in the future.

If any restaurateurs were thinking of moving to TV read any of the restaurant threads, they would probably have a good chuckle as they put a big red xxxxx through The Villages.

[dah1020]

I totally agree food at country clubs is just bland. Just not that good never had a good steak at any of them. Vegetables yuck. But people here are living the life and eat out almost every day so it's quantity that that want not quality. I can't believe when I hear people say they had a greAt meal at such and such restaurant and I go and it's awful. I think their taste buds are gone and they don't care what they eat. I'm from the Midwest and I can tell you we had better restaurants there than they do here.. And everybody here has to do things in big groups. What is that all about. To show people the have a lot of friends. Even in the country clubs it is so noisy when they come in and the you get a couple of drinks in them, it's like they take over the whole place . I'd sooner eat a grilled cheese sandwich at home.

[pooh]

I totally agree food at country clubs is just bland. Just not that good never had a good steak at any of them. Vegetables yuck. But people here are living the life and eat out almost every day so it's quantity that that want not quality. I can't believe when I hear people say they had a greAt meal at such and such restaurant and I go and it's awful. I think their taste buds are gone and they don't care what they eat. I'm from the Midwest and I can tell you we had better restaurants there than they do here.. And everybody here has to do things in big groups. What is that all about. To show people the have a lot of friends. Even in the country clubs it is so noisy when they come in and the you get a couple of drinks in them, it's like they take over the whole place . I'd sooner eat a grilled cheese sandwich at home.

I can't comment on steaks at any restaurant here in the area, never order them.
Generally order salmon or shrimp and if they are prepared well, I enjoy. Haven't had bad fish or shrimp out so far. Veggies, well, I prefer they are more on the crisp side, not mushy, and fresh. Have enjoyed good veggies more often than not. Do you prefer soft or more crisp veggies? Have a friend who only enjoys
veggies that are well cooked and soft....what she is used to from her background. Our differences in preferences may influence what we think of as good food.

Drinks can make people more vocal, at a higher volume, that's for sure, but I don't think it's unique to our clubs. People do go to dine in large groups....yes they do. Friends do enjoy gathering together to dine....always have...it's a social thing, now and probably, always. Some days it's uncomfortable to be around large, noisy groups, other times, maybe not. People tend to forget or not realize just how noisy they can be....even while eating...;)

[Yung Dum]

I would be happy if we had even just one decent Chinese restaurant. Good grief, there are good Chinese restaurants in Cuba! in Edinburgh! Probably in Kansas, in Texas. It doesn't require masses of Chinese residents. I can cook good Chinese food at home

Have you tried Cheng's? Very small, but pretty good.

[DougB]

Someone should open a high end cheese restaurant in The Villages. Seems we have enough whine here.

[old moe]

:oops::oops: May be alittle off subject,but just curious, When eating out with friends, in a group, do most request seperate checks? We lived in Sarasota for awhile, and wait staff always asked up front if seperate checks will be needed. This sometimes makes it easier when prices are high.::doh:

[pooh]

:oops::oops: May be alittle off subject,but just curious, When eating out with friends, in a group, do most request seperate checks? We lived in Sarasota for awhile, and wait staff always asked up front if seperate checks will be needed. This sometimes makes it easier when prices are high.::doh:

Seems that is what wait staff here expect, separate checks. Sometimes some have asked, most of the time they don't. If we have some in our group paying for another's meal, we just let the server know as we order.

[Bogie Shooter]

I totally agree food at country clubs is just bland. Just not that good never had a good steak at any of them. Vegetables yuck. But people here are living the life and eat out almost every day so it's quantity that that want not quality. I can't believe when I hear people say they had a greAt meal at such and such restaurant and I go and it's awful. I think their taste buds are gone and they don't care what they eat. I'm from the Midwest and I can tell you we had better restaurants there than they do here.. And everybody here has to do things in big groups. What is that all about. To show people the have a lot of friends. Even in the country clubs it is so noisy when they come in and the you get a couple of drinks in them, it's like they take over the whole place . I'd sooner eat a grilled cheese sandwich at home.

You don't sound like a happy camper?

[Bogie Shooter]

Seems that is what wait staff here expect, separate checks. Sometimes some have asked, most of the time they don't. If we have some in our group paying for another's meal, we just let the server know as we order.

I just read another post that groups was a dumb idea.

[Bogie Shooter]

Someone should open a high end cheese restaurant in The Villages. Seems we have enough whine here.

You are so right. The first thing that was posted when the new Havana restaurant opened was the prices are too high.
And the posters here want high end?
BTW who are these people with incomes of 100K? Sure not the average...........

[shcisamax]

For sure the more expensive chains like The Palm won't be coming. But a Cheesecake Factory isn't that expensive and the food is far superior to what is available at present. The problem likely is the bite TV takes for rent. And I don't see something like that built on 301.

[manaboutown]

You are so right. The first thing that was posted when the new Havana restaurant opened was the prices are too high.
And the posters here want high end?
BTW who are these people with incomes of 100K? Sure not the average...........

According to the US Census median household income in The Villages between 2008 and 2012 was just north of $53,000 per annum. Perhaps many of the Baby Boomers moving in have incomes of $100,000/yr - check out the prices of the homes now being built by the developer - but most residents probably do not. The Villages CDP QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/1271625.html)

If the demographics were there, e.g., high end expense accounts and big spenders, The Villages might have some high end restaurants.

[pooh]

I just read another post that groups was a dumb idea.

Well, groups bring lots of diners to restaurants....and that can be a GOOD thing.....;)

[pooh]

According to the US Census median household income in The Villages between 2008 and 2012 was just north of $53,000 per annum. Perhaps many of the Baby Boomers moving in have incomes of $100,000/yr - check out the prices of the homes now being built by the developer, but most residents probably do not. The Villages CDP QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/1271625.html)

If the demographics were there, e.g., high end expense accounts and big spenders, The Villages might have some high end restaurants.

Might just be so, I agree, but that is also making an assumption that those with what seems to be more income than the "average" Villager, will be willing to spend lots of money lots of times at said "high end" establishments. Wealthy or not, seniors can be quite frugal..;). ..and maybe spending lots of money for dining is one area where frugality shows up!

[Patty55]

Someone should open a high end cheese restaurant in The Villages. Seems we have enough whine here.

What?? Another velveeta cafe?

[Chi-Town]

According to the US Census median household income in The Villages between 2008 and 2012 was just north of $53,000 per annum. Perhaps many of the Baby Boomers moving in have incomes of $100,000/yr - check out the prices of the homes now being built by the developer - but most residents probably do not. The Villages CDP QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau (http://quickfacts.census.gov/qfd/states/12/1271625.html)

If the demographics were there, e.g., high end expense accounts and big spenders, The Villages might have some high end restaurants.

A $53,000 median household income means that half of the households make more than $53,000 and half make less (the median is the middle value in a list of numbers). There would need to be some pretty substantial numbers in the top half for enough demand for a high end restaurant. Because basically there is no market nearby. No tourist dollars, no conventioneers, no big dollar communities. I sure would like a couple though, chain or boutique.

[mrsanborn]

If the medical marijuana bill passes this fall, every restaurant here will be the best and probably seem upscale too!

[loveinthesun]

You lost me at the 175.00 for a meal for two lol

[Indydealmaker]

for example TGI Friday could not survive here (closed last spring). So many diners seem to be in "groups" of 6,8 10 and then the cheapest member of the group usually decides where they should eat & price is always a factor. and they can keep their hat on in the place.

So, you are saying that TGI Friday was upscale and expensive?

[Indydealmaker]

From observing the perennially crowded restaurants around here, it would appear that Villagers as a whole spend many times the average per household on dining away from home. I have several friends that frequented establishments like Ruth's Chris prior to retiring and continue to do so at least once a week on their "fixed" incomes.

IMO this area could support at least one truly upscale eatery. We live in area where there are over 165,000 annual opportunities for birthday/anniversary celebratory dinners (530/day), not to mention the entertaining of visiting friends and relatives.

A Ruth's Chris will serve an average of about 130 dinners per day at $75/diner. That would be about .12% of the Villages diners (25% of the celebratory dinners) not counting the draw from surrounding communities. Put me down for 12 dinners per year!!

[Bogie Shooter]

for example TGI Friday could not survive here (closed last spring). So many diners seem to be in "groups" of 6,8 10 and then the cheapest member of the group usually decides where they should eat & price is always a factor. and they can keep their hat on in the place.

That was a corporate decision.............they closed restaurants all over the country.
What is wrong with groups going out to dinner?
What are you inferring with the "keep their hat on" comment?

[Chi-Town]

If the medical marijuana bill passes this fall, every restaurant here will be the best and probably seem upscale too!

The hot dog guy will be a millionaire.

[rockyisle]

Having spent most of my life living on the road, entertaining clients on my expense account, I must have lost my taste buds for expensive meals - bottle of over priced wines. We chose to live here in TV for the lifestyle and golf.. that was our top criteria. We visited once, then rented for 6 months before signing on the dotted line.

What I look for here in our new home town are friendly waiters, a decent cocktail that doesn't cost $12.. quality meat and veggies. Our personal favorite watering hole and restaurant is Palmer's. I'm trying to eat in a healthy style now, so I won't be bothering with steak (I can grill a great filet on my weber at home). I love watching the actions of big groups of Villagers - living the life and having fun. And, sometimes we are part of those big groups - making too much noise and having fun. There is nothing that makes me happier than sitting in front of the fireplace outside on the deck with my honey (husband).

For those of you who long for high end restaurants, you obviously didn't do your homework before you chose to live here. I'd love for you all to tell me how many high end restaurants you could get to by golf cart back in your old home town.

[Shimpy]

You lost me at the 175.00 for a meal for two lol
Me too!...... I can't believe people want other places to eat when we have a Chucky Cheese right here in Ocala.

[sharonga]

I agree. Also from NY and just like good food. Hate chain restaurants. Everything taste the same and is full of salt and preservatives. Cook a lot more since moving here.

[jblum315]

I think "high end chain restaurant" is an oxymoron

[Chi-Town]

I think "high end chain restaurant" is an oxymoron

Maybe Morton's is the exception. But nice post.

[EnglishJW]

I think "high end chain restaurant" is an oxymoron

Have you ever had a meal at a Ruth Chris (which was mentioned by the OP)? We think they are consistently very good.

[dewilson58]

I totally agree food at country clubs is just bland. Just not that good never had a good steak at any of them. Vegetables yuck. But people here are living the life and eat out almost every day so it's quantity that that want not quality. I can't believe when I hear people say they had a greAt meal at such and such restaurant and I go and it's awful. I think their taste buds are gone and they don't care what they eat. I'm from the Midwest and I can tell you we had better restaurants there than they do here.. And everybody here has to do things in big groups. What is that all about. To show people the have a lot of friends. Even in the country clubs it is so noisy when they come in and the you get a couple of drinks in them, it's like they take over the whole place . I'd sooner eat a grilled cheese sandwich at home.

Proper seasoning and fresh spices go a long ways. I think a lot of CC food is pre-packaged and not made fresh. When you are served fresh food, you know it. I'm hoping for improvements.

[justjim]

With 11 country clubs, you would think just one of them could have a restaurant that would be considered up-scale---requiring reservations, proper attire and some ambiance . Only one left to build..........

[VT2TV]

1 more person who thinks that most of the food in TV is MUCH worse than where we came from. And that doesn't mean that I am unhappy here-just want TV to be better for everyone. Someone told me (and I have not confirmed this) that the population of TV is higher than that of Ocala, and they have many more and more varied restaurants than we have here. So, I don't think it will matter much when we are at total build out. We had been told by our salesperson that TV wouldn't be getting any more restaurants until they started construction below 446A. Then we heard that we probably wouldn't get any more restaurants until they completed construction down to RT 44. Since we haven't seen or heard of a new surplus of restaurants, I guess we will have to wait until Fruitland Park is built. Or longer.........
One thing I don't understand is how TV can create this wonderful place, and through word of mouth, advertisements or whatever , are able to have a place that 100K + people come to live, move thousands of miles away from their families to be a part of. Some of this sight unseen. If they advertised for restaurants, I can't believe restaurants aren't begging to come here. I DO believe we have the expendable income.

[mickey100]

1 more person who thinks that most of the food in TV is MUCH worse than where we came from. And that doesn't mean that I am unhappy here-just want TV to be better for everyone. Someone told me (and I have not confirmed this) that the population of TV is higher than that of Ocala, and they have many more and more varied restaurants than we have here. So, I don't think it will matter much when we are at total build out. We had been told by our salesperson that TV wouldn't be getting any more restaurants until they started construction below 446A. Then we heard that we probably wouldn't get any more restaurants until they completed construction down to RT 44. Since we haven't seen or heard of a new surplus of restaurants, I guess we will have to wait until Fruitland Park is built. Or longer.........
One thing I don't understand is how TV can create this wonderful place, and through word of mouth, advertisements or whatever , are able to have a place that 100K + people come to live, move thousands of miles away from their families to be a part of. Some of this sight unseen. If they advertised for restaurants, I can't believe restaurants aren't begging to come here. I DO believe we have the expendable income.

I agree with you completely. Many people I know say the same thing about lack of good restaurants. We have a large group of friends here, and we make trips to Ocala and Orlando on a regular basis to go to the better restaurants. In my mind there is no lack of people here with expendable income willing and able to go to upscale restaurants. Its a shame there are none.

[Aloha]

I have removed my response and no longer support this website. Search for the truth in all that you do.

[Ourtime]

I hear all this talk about "Higher End Chain Restaurants" but me and the wife are very satisfied with the current choices here in The Villages. While eating out is more of a Social Event than anything else we really have no desire to spend a small fortune doing it. Many others are on budgets and fixed income and simply could not afford to eat at these "High End Restaurants". So I will go against the general consensus and say we feel the choices here are plentiful. Food is only worth so much $$ these days!

[NottaVillager]

It is likely that TV could consistently support ONE..just ONE..upper-scale restaurant such as Ruth Chris, Morton's or the Capital Grille. But more than one? Nope.

[zcaveman]

Longhorn is as best restaurant I would ever get for a high end chain restaurant in TV.

Z

[DougB]

Longhorn is as best restaurant I would ever get for a high end chain restaurant in TV.

Z

I would wager of all the high end connoisseurs we have here, 95% couldn't tell the difference between a Ruth Chris and a Longhorn steak if blindfolded. Funny how people think they are an expert because they are from the Mid-west, Northeast, New York or wherever.

[buggyone]

Face it, folks - A Ruth Chris, Morton, or Fleming is not going to happen here!

Maybe after the Costco, Trader Joe, and Chucky Cheese open their Villages stores, but not before.

[zcaveman]

I would wager of all the high end connoisseurs we have here, 95% couldn't tell the difference between a Ruth Chris and a Longhorn steak if blindfolded. Funny how people think they are an expert because they are from the Mid-west, Northeast, New York or wherever.

I agree!! :BigApplause::bigbow:

[3puttharry]

Many years ago our kids all got involved in cooking. Regarding steaks they taught us how to make various rubs of multiple herbs, spices rubbed w good olive oil on a quality steak... Fantastic. We eat out a lot but never order steak.

[OBXNana]

I may have missed this on the thread, but a restaurant or store will determine if they want to go to an area by the average number of people that are dining or shopping. They won't build to accommodate December through March and have little or no business the remaining 8 months. Beach areas don't attract a lot of chains. They attract the locals that have a new twist on a burger, wrap, or steak. During the summer months and shoulder months they make their money and close in the winter. A chain going into The Villages can't afford to close during the slower season. Can an upscale restaurant survive when the snow birds are gone? I don't have an answer, simply a question.

We haven't had the pleasure of spending a lot of time in The Villages. What we found was good food, at a fair price. We wanted to try restaurants other than chains because we have them in PA. We had no complaints and when we are there full time, if we find we want something that isn't offered, we'll explore the surrounding area.

The chains haven't been successful because they've made poor business decisions. Plus, from a purely personal place, I would have a hard time spending $175.00 for a meal for two. That's just me and can't judge how others spend their money.

[Shimpy]

I would wager of all the high end connoisseurs we have here, 95% couldn't tell the difference between a Ruth Chris and a Longhorn steak if blindfolded. Funny how people think they are an expert because they are from the Mid-west, Northeast, New York or wherever.

:agree::clap2:

[Mikeod]

I would wager of all the high end connoisseurs we have here, 95% couldn't tell the difference between a Ruth Chris and a Longhorn steak if blindfolded. Funny how people think they are an expert because they are from the Mid-west, Northeast, New York or wherever.

I think that what some are looking for has as much or more to do with ambience/atmosphere and attentive service as it does with the quality of the edibles.

[TomOB]

I would wager of all the high end connoisseurs we have here, 95% couldn't tell the difference between a Ruth Chris and a Longhorn steak if blindfolded. Funny how people think they are an expert because they are from the Mid-west, Northeast, New York or wherever.

I'll take that bet, and I am a vegetarian!

[dewilson58]

I would wager of all the high end connoisseurs we have here, 95% couldn't tell the difference between a Ruth Chris and a Longhorn steak if blindfolded. Funny how people think they are an expert because they are from the Mid-west, Northeast, New York or wherever.

Like Scotch, Like Wine, Like Gin, Like Cigars............there are great differences in meats......many people can't tell or don't care. But there are people who can tell the difference and enjoy quality. If the can nots are 60%, 70%, 90%.........who cares. If 10% or 20% can...........given TV is 100,000 villagers, that's a pretty good pool to draw from.

[NottaVillager]

Face it, folks - A Ruth Chris, Morton, or Fleming is not going to happen here!

Maybe after the Costco, Trader Joe, and Chucky Cheese open their Villages stores, but not before.
I think if any of the upscale chains were to come here, the most likely might be The Capital Grille, since they are owned by Darden which already has a large presence in TV with Longhorn, Olive Garden & Dead Lobster.

[EnglishJW]

For everyone who commented, you might want to read the latest review from The Villages Gourmet Club. They gave Ruth Chris a 15 out of 15. The Villages Gourmet Club Restaurant Reviews Page 3 (http://thevillagesgourmetclub.com/page3.html#C105)

[Skip]

For everyone who commented, you might want to read the latest review from The Villages Gourmet Club. They gave Ruth Chris a 15 out of 15. The Villages Gourmet Club Restaurant Reviews Page 3 (http://thevillagesgourmetclub.com/page3.html#C105)

What I like is that you can read the member's comments about the exact meal,
service received and the value for what they paid. (Not just "I always go there
and it's always good".) At $33, a dinner at Ruth's Chris is a bargain, trust me.

Thanks EnglishJW.

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[rn1tv]

I would love to see many of the business establishments mentioned but, after filling out the annual survey for 10 years, requesting the same facilities as many other residents and seeing no results, I think it comes down to who the Morris' want to locate here and how can they profit from it.

[Bogie Shooter]

Probably has nothing to do with the companies making any kind of financial decision.......................................... .

[Bonanza]

I would love to see many of the business establishments mentioned but, after filling out the annual survey for 10 years, requesting the same facilities as many other residents and seeing no results, I think it comes down to who the Morris' want to locate here and how can they profit from it.

I think you are referring to Gary Morse -- Morse, not Morris.
You've been here 10 years and still don't know his name???

Anyway, I don't believe it's whom Mr. Morse wants here.
I think it amounts to who will pay his price.

[JGVillages]

The high end restaurants are in "Big" cities for a reason. The population of upscale restaurant clientel live and work there. Just don't believe there is enough demand for one, or a couple of upscale restaurants to survive. Wishing it were so does not make a profitable venture. This is The Villages not Metropolis.

[Beechie]

The high end restaurants are in "Big" cities for a reason. The population of upscale restaurant clientel live and work there. Just don't believe there is enough demand for one, or a couple of upscale restaurants to survive. Wishing it were so does not make a profitable venture. This is The Villages not Metropolis.

Couldn't agree with you more. High end restaurants are located where the money is. Plain and simple. They do their market research to determine if the demographics will be suitable for success.

[Bogie Shooter]

Couldn't agree with you more. High end restaurants are located where the money is. Plain and simple. They do their market research to determine if the demographics will be suitable for success.

You mean its not Mr. Morse keeping them out?
Doesn't the bashing really get old......................

[Hancle704]

For some a trip to Orlando or Tampa is worth it to satisfy their need for a high end restaurant. For many they won't go to any restaurant unless it is golf cart accessible. Yesterday (Sunday Aug 31st), Bob Evans was swamped with many seniors taking advantage of coupons that offered a buy one entrée get the second for free. When we moved here the most expensive premier home available was about $200k. Now there are homes in the million and up range and they seem to be selling. My point is, if there is a significant year round demand for the high end restaurants we will probably see them start showing up.

I seem to recall that this kind of question about what residents would like to see here in the Villages was on the annual survey.

[Bonanza]

I would wager of all the high end connoisseurs we have here, 95% couldn't tell the difference between a Ruth Chris and a Longhorn steak if blindfolded. Funny how people think they are an expert because they are from the Mid-west, Northeast, New York or wherever.

Your comment gave me a good chuckle, but you're probably right!

[QuiltingGal]

My daughter works for a high-end developer. I asked her why we couldn't get a Crate and Barrel in our area, and her response was interesting. She said when high end chain restaurants or retailers are requested to develop in an area they do very extensive research. In order to get PF Chang for example, they had to do multiple fly-overs the area scoping out the housing and retail establishments. One of the things they look at is the length of the residential driveways....the longer the driveway, the more expensive the home. If that really is important criteria, The Villages will not qualify for high end restaurants!

[dewilson58]

My daughter works for a high-end developer. I asked her why we couldn't get a Crate and Barrel in our area, and her response was interesting. She said when high end chain restaurants or retailers are requested to develop in an area they do very extensive research. In order to get PF Chang for example, they had to do multiple fly-overs the area scoping out the housing and retail establishments. One of the things they look at is the length of the residential driveways....the longer the driveway, the more expensive the home. If that really is important criteria, The Villages will not qualify for high end restaurants!

I thought this tread was about high-end restaurants............not low end chains.

[QuiltingGal]

You, Dewilson58, are the perfect example of why I have been resistant to buying in The Villages. I have just made my first and last post on this forum.

[dbussone]

You, Dewilson58, are the perfect example of why I have been resistant to buying in The Villages. I have just made my first and last post on this forum.

Don't get upset about one individual's comments. Just like anywhere else, we have diverse opinions and diversity in how those opinions are expressed. I'm sorry you were offended but TV is truly a wonderful place. There are just a few folks whom you will fid offensive. Give us a try.

[buggyone]

Every September, there is a dining event for the entire month. It is called Orlando Magical Dining. Many of the Orlando high end restaurants offer a special 3 course meau for $35. It is an excellent way to try some of the places you have never been.

[OBXNana]

You, Dewilson58, are the perfect example of why I have been resistant to buying in The Villages. I have just made my first and last post on this forum.

Don't allow someone with a different opinion to deter you from posting and learning from this thread. We have benefited so much from the information shared. Do I agree with everyone? Absolutely not and there are a few I personally don't open the link knowing my very normal blood pressure reading will escalate.

There are over 100,000 people in The Villages and I would guess the majority do not post of this forum. Being resistant to buy because of this forum would be very sad. Please attend a preview or rent a place. In our few times in The Villages we have chatted with some great people. Not all have the same opinion as we may have, but that's what make the conversation so interesting. As we told our children, in many instances there is no right or wrong and it's simply a difference of opinion. How boring life would be if we were all the same.

[Bogie Shooter]

You, Dewilson58, are the perfect example of why I have been resistant to buying in The Villages. I have just made my first and last post on this forum.

One should not base a decision like moving to TV soley on what someone said on a blog like TOTV........................

[Indydealmaker]

One should not base a decision like moving to TV soley on what someone said on a blog like TOTV........................

Bogie, you're right. I am pretty sure that no retirement destination comes with a guarantee that everyone will agree with everyone else and that a-holes are denied access.

The Villages is not a personality-restricted private club. Rather, it is a melting pot of mostly old farts, warts and all.

[dewilson58]

One should not base a decision like moving to TV soley on what someone said on a blog like TOTV........................

:agree: & don't believe anyone would. :thumbup:

[Bogie Shooter]

Bogie, you're right. I am pretty sure that no retirement destination comes with a guarantee that everyone will agree with everyone else and that a-holes are denied access.

The Villages is not a personality-restricted private club. Rather, it is a melting pot of mostly old farts, warts and all.

I had one of these hollar at me for waiting, in my cart, for a car to pass thru a gate. Even when you point out what they are, they remain non-believers.:laugh:

[graciegirl]

You, Dewilson58, are the perfect example of why I have been resistant to buying in The Villages. I have just made my first and last post on this forum.


Please read back on a lot of his (her?) posts. When we type things...without body English and facial expressions, thoughts can be taken wrong.

There are those, but not too many, that I know when I see their avatar name ....here comes trouble. But I haven't ever thought that of DeWilson.

When I first started posting years ago, I got my feelers hurt too, but you will miss so much if you don't just hang in and throw it back and forth.

[dbussone]

Please read back on a lot of his (her?) posts. When we type things...without body English and facial expressions, thoughts can be taken wrong.

There are those, but not too many, that I know when I see their avatar name ....here comes trouble. But I haven't ever thought that of DeWilson.

When I first started posting years ago, I got my feelers hurt too, but you will miss so much if you don't just hang in and throw it back and forth.

I'm a proud Gracie follower. She has corrected me and recommended to me; and I've learned to enjoy TOTV because of her and many others who really care about the advice they give. Like I said: Give us a try.

[RErmer]

I'm a proud Gracie follower. She has corrected me and recommended to me; and I've learned to enjoy TOTV because of her and many others who really care about the advice they give. Like I said: Give us a try.

:BigApplause:

[CFrance]

You, Dewilson58, are the perfect example of why I have been resistant to buying in The Villages. I have just made my first and last post on this forum.
Actually, Quiltinggal, I found your post rather negative toward TV and am not surprised someone was offended by it. It was a bit snarky.

[QuiltingGal]

I would not make a decision about my retirement residence based on a blog or forum. I have rented in The Villages for 2 years. We have numerous close friends who live in The Villages...some of them for as long as 10 years. Last year we rented in another central Florida community to help us make a well-informed decision. If I sounded "snarky" or offended anyone, I apologize. As I have read on here many times, The Villages is not for everyone. It has a lot to offer. I just don't think it is for us.

[dewilson58]

I would not make a decision about my retirement residence based on a blog or forum. I have rented in The Villages for 2 years. We have numerous close friends who live in The Villages...some of them for as long as 10 years. Last year we rented in another central Florida community to help us make a well-informed decision. If I sounded "snarky" or offended anyone, I apologize. As I have read on here many times, The Villages is not for everyone. It has a lot to offer. I just don't think it is for us.

I love it here............I hate to see anyone not have the same love. I smoke cigars, you quilt..........we are all different and what I think is cool is how TV is such a great melting pot.

Good luck with your journey...........if it ends up back in TV, I'll keep my smoke away from your quilts.

:D:D

[salpal]

Not to highjack this thread (LOL)...but Ocala has a restaurant that is very similar to Ruth Chris:
Mark's Prime Steakhouse :: Home (http://ocala.marksprimesteakhouse.com/)

[bluedog103]

I would wager of all the high end connoisseurs we have here, 95% couldn't tell the difference between a Ruth Chris and a Longhorn steak if blindfolded. Funny how people think they are an expert because they are from the Mid-west, Northeast, New York or wherever.
Doug, I'm from NY and I agree. Lots of folks talk the talk.

[Stdole]

After looking at 11 pages of comments... and have been to many restaurants in The Villages... I do wonder if we have enough dinners that are willing to take their hats off and shorts off and wear respectable dress attire or business attire? This according to the Ruth Crist web sites.. the preferred dress code... so far not that I have observed even in our nicer places to eat here... this all goes into their surveys I would be sure!

[Hancle704]

A high end steak house was tried in Spanish Springs, it lasted 6 months. A lot of folks in TV dine out 4 to 6 evenings, not looking to break the bank each night. Just my thoughts.

Ate there twice and IMO, white table cloths don't make it high end. Steaks were no better than served at Longhorns for less money.

[NYGUY]

There was a thread not too long ago about a rumor that Sam Snead's Tavern was coming to Brownwood.....I am OK with that:mmmm:

[perrjojo]

I would wager of all the high end connoisseurs we have here, 95% couldn't tell the difference between a Ruth Chris and a Longhorn steak if blindfolded. Funny how people think they are an expert because they are from the Mid-west, Northeast, New York or wherever.I

I don't know about other folks but I'm from Texas and I can even tell you if it's grass fed or corn fed, even what breed of steer it was cut from. :a20::a20::a20:
Just kidding but I do know a good steak when I eat it.