Dogs in yards/ yards are private property....

[Villages PL]

....and it is considered trespassing to let your dog go on someone's yard. Did you read about that? According to Janet Tutt the Villages is trying to come up with a solution. She said, "we are very concerned, focused and are exploring options."

One thing that was suggested is to have some way to identify yards of owners who do not want dogs on their property. Perhaps a marker of some sort rather than a sign because signs are not allowed in most areas.

That should be easy, in my opinion. A marker could be a round peg of a certain color that one would hammer into the ground. High enough to be seen but not high enough to be hit by a lawn mower. Then this could be advertised in the newspaper from time to time so people would be aware of the significance of it.

What do you think? Any Ideas? (other than to attack me personally for bringing up this subject)

Thanks

[delima2000]

Great idea I don't like dogs doing their business on my lawn

[TheVillageChicken]

....and it is considered trespassing to let your dog go on someone's yard. Did you read about that? According to Janet Tutt the Villages is trying to come up with a solution. She said, "we are very concerned, focused and are exploring options."

One thing that was suggested is to have some way to identify yards of owners who do not want dogs on their property. Perhaps a marker of some sort rather than a sign because signs are not allowed in most areas.

That should be easy, in my opinion. A marker could be a round peg of a certain color that one would hammer into the ground. High enough to be seen but not high enough to be hit by a lawn mower. Then this could be advertised in the newspaper from time to time so people would be aware of the significance of it.

What do you think? Any Ideas? (other than to attack me personally for bringing up this subject)

Thanks

I like your idea with an amendment. Let the colored stake identify those who don't mind dogs in their yard. There could be a supply of stakes on offer at the dog parks. If a yard has no stake, the property owner wants no dogs on their property.

[Challenger]

I like your idea with an amendment. Let the colored stake identify those who don't mind dogs in their yard. There could be a supply of stakes on offer at the dog parks. If a yard has no stake, the property owner wants no dogs on their property.

Excellent Suggestion

Non confrontational
non obtrusive
Cheap

Janet- Are you listening?:BigApplause:

[buggyone]

See, it is confused right now. The colored pegs mean "Yes bring in your dog" or do they mean " keep your dog out"? Exactly HOW is that going to keep them out of your yard? It won't!

Of course, you could sit in your open garage all day and wait for someone and their dog to come in your yard. Personally, I would rather play golf or enjoy Happy Hour(s) somewhere.

If you see someone and their dog in your yard, tell them in a nice way to vacate your yard. No screaming is necessary. No cursing is wanted by anyone. No threats of shooting the dog, no threats of calling police, dogcatcher, or community watch are needed or would do any good.

Enjoy your day.

[njbchbum]

Sorry to sound like a Debbie Downer; am really a Reality Rosie - does anyone really think that dog walkers are going to search out individual property stakes no higher than a sprinkler donut before determining whether their dog can encroach on that property?

People don't read/remember what their deed restrictions mandate; and if they do, they just ignore them when they are not convenient! I fear the same consideration for lawn stakes. And then there would be the issue of adding/removing the stake when property is rented/sold.

The most simple and encompassing solution is no dogs on any lawns. Should a property owner wish to invite the dog and its walker onto the property - fine - any dog on a lawn must be on the lawn of the dog owner or the lawn of the owner who issued the invitation to be there.

[Lee01]

I agree.

[loveinthesun]

Yup, bright green means go markers for the yards, I'd go for th�t cause I don't mind them in my yard.

[Snowbirdtobe]

My dog is smarter than the average villager but she needs better indication than a small colored stake in the ground.
She is never allowed to go on private lawns.
As far as district and developer owned property if they want to stop dogs from using their property each area should be identified and signed.

[ilovetv]

I think the whole idea is pandering to brazen and ignorant dog owners who refuse to respect other people's property.

They already know it's wrong to allow their dog to poop in somebody's yard and pick it up, because they themselves don't defecate in somebody's yard and pick it up.

It is disrespect for others, period. Don't pander to them.

[shcisamax]

Well this thread went downhill really fast. Not surprising who is responding. Same old same old.

[gerryann]

Well this thread went downhill really fast. Not surprising who is responding. Same old same old.

Certain subjects bring out the "dumb" in some folks.

[Villages PL]

The most simple and encompassing solution is no dogs on any lawns.

Very good! I take back my suggestion for putting pegs in the ground. I like your idea better. Why should property owners be required to do anything?

There was also an idea for pegs in the ground by those who welcome dogs to come on their property. Not a bad idea, but it will never fly. The Villages will never advertise or instruct dog owners to go around looking for such pegs.

[Villages PL]

Well this thread went downhill really fast. Not surprising who is responding. Same old same old.

Why don't you help to bring this thread uphill by adding your enlightened opinion to the subject? Are you a dog owner who likes to use other people's yards? Is that what you are trying to say?

[Bonanza]

I am amazed in reading that dog owners walk their dogs in other homeowners' back yards. I have not seen this in my area. It seems all you ever read about is how annoyed people get when a dog simply walks (not even poops or pees) on the grass across the front by the streeet, which is ridiculous.

Anyway, the real problem exists because we are not permitted to fence in our own back yards, or even a portion of it. That is what would solve a lot of problems. I have never understood why this is such a hard and fast rule. Even if the fence had to meet certain requirements as to type, etc., it would be a godsend to both dog owners and non-dog owners. That is what would help keep the peace.

[Erijo]

Dear Bonanza, when homes were purchased here, the homeowner is made aware that fences are not permitted around homes, villas yes, but not homes. If this was going to be a foreseeable problem with the potential home owner, don't buy a home, buy a villa. If you have a dog, take the "no fences permitted around homes" into consideration. Simple as that! Please don't blame the builder/or deed restrictions by saying "if fences were permitted, this would solve the problem". The problem is dog owners who are rude and walk their dog on others property allowing them to "do their business."

Dear NJ! Well said, I agree.
There will ALWAYS be 2 very different opinions on this subject, dog owners versus non owners, plain and simple, and each thinks they are right.

[BogeyBoy]

In all of the years I have owned dogs and walked dogs I have never encountered homeowners so protective of their property. There are all kinds of wild critters roaming The Villages, I don't think they will be paying any attention to your colored stakes. Shame on the pet owner who does not clean up after the pet, but that is another topic. I think this thread is specifically about people who have zero tolerance for pets on their property. My question to them - how did you handle this issue where you lived before moving to TV? None of your neighbors had dogs?

[BogeyBoy]

There will ALWAYS be 2 very different opinions on this subject, dog owners versus non owners, plain and simple, and each thinks they are right.


I respectfully disagree - I know many non owners who could care less and many who like dogs but for various reasons do not own one.

I would bet that there are dog owners who do not want other dogs in their yard, especially if they have had problems with owners who do not pick up after the dog.

[Erijo]

Dear Bogey, all of our neighbors had dogs (we had a dog also) but the dogs do their business in your own back yard and believe me, the owners cleaned up after their dogs or suffered the consequences. ALL the homes were fenced in (Long Island, NY) and it wasn't an issue in my neighborhood. That's just the way it was.

[Erijo]

Dear Bogey, you are right, I should have said there will always be 2 very different opinions on this subject, not said owners vs non owners. Thanks. :)

[Happinow]

I am amazed in reading that dog owners walk their dogs in other homeowners' back yards. I have not seen this in my area. It seems all you ever read about is how annoyed people get when a dog simply walks (not even poops or pees) on the grass across the front by the streeet, which is ridiculous.

Anyway, the real problem exists because we are not permitted to fence in our own back yards, or even a portion of it. That is what would solve a lot of problems. I have never understood why this is such a hard and fast rule. Even if the fence had to meet certain requirements as to type, etc., it would be a godsend to both dog owners and non-dog owners. That is what would help keep the peace.

What good would a fence do in a dog owners back yard? Fence or no fence they have to put them on a leash to walk them so why not just put them on a leash and walk them in your own back yard? Why do they have to have a fence? It's not about a fence it's about the homeowner taking them anywhere else other than their own yard to do their business. A fence isn't going to stop dog owners from walking their dogs, and let's face it if one wants to take their dog for a walk the dog is probably going to find a place on the route to pee whether they have a fenced in yard or not.

[njbchbum]

Bonanza - Where did you get the idea that the problem is with homeowner's back yards?

[perrjojo]

In all of the years I have owned dogs and walked dogs I have never encountered homeowners so protective of their property. There are all kinds of wild critters roaming The Villages, I don't think they will be paying any attention to your colored stakes. Shame on the pet owner who does not clean up after the pet, but that is another topic. I think this thread is specifically about people who have zero tolerance for pets on their property. My question to them - how did you handle this issue where you lived before moving to TV? None of your neighbors had dogs?
We lived on the Main Street of a development with 1400 homes. We had lots of dog walkers and a few did not clean up. I think there are a couple of reasons it seems there are more complainers here. First, more folks likely have time to walk pets than in family neighborhoods. Next, our lawns are very small and the so called trespassing is more obvious. The last reason is TOTV....people have a forum to be more vocal and we get to hear about it ......and hear about it ...and hear about it.

[Polar Bear]

Dear Bogey, you are right, I should have said there will always be 2 very different opinions on this subject, not said owners vs non owners. Thanks. :)

Very good "correction", Erijo. :^)

[Bonanza]

Bonanza - Where did you get the idea that the problem is with homeowner's back yards?

Call it my misinterpretation of the word "yard!"
When I have used the word "yard," I think of it as the back of the house.
I don't think of a yard as being in the front, which is usually well planted and cared for.

Yes, the word "yard" encompasses an entire property. I'm wrong.

[Bonanza]

What good would a fence do in a dog owners back yard? Fence or no fence they have to put them on a leash to walk them so why not just put them on a leash and walk them in your own back yard? Why do they have to have a fence? It's not about a fence it's about the homeowner taking them anywhere else other than their own yard to do their business. A fence isn't going to stop dog owners from walking their dogs, and let's face it if one wants to take their dog for a walk the dog is probably going to find a place on the route to pee whether they have a fenced in yard or not.

Huh???

[fofd1091]

Simple get rid of all pets, Problem solved! LOL

[rubicon]

What good would a fence do in a dog owners back yard? Fence or no fence they have to put them on a leash to walk them so why not just put them on a leash and walk them in your own back yard? Why do they have to have a fence? It's not about a fence it's about the homeowner taking them anywhere else other than their own yard to do their business. A fence isn't going to stop dog owners from walking their dogs, and let's face it if one wants to take their dog for a walk the dog is probably going to find a place on the route to pee whether they have a fenced in yard or not.

Hi Happinow: I have come to realize in the last few months that you and I think alike. Clearly this is not about the need for fences its about the fact that some dog owners do not like to deal with the consequences of bringing a dog to The Villages.

One poster said this is the only place I've been whee people are so protective of their property.... This is a retirement community most people who move here left behind the responsibility of kids, cooking taking care of pets etc. so having to deal with other resident's pets is no going to sit well with them

[janmcn]

Some posters think the louder they scream, the fewer dog owners will move here. On the other hand, The Villages has a boatload of houses to sell and no way are they going to alienate and eliminate the pet lovers from their customer base.

[scarecrow1]

I use to do street construction and I think there is a right away that you maintain only and it goes into most properties. Therefore no one is trespassing on anyone's property. Can we stop with the dog posts for a while and have a rest please!!!

[ilovetv]

Certain subjects bring out the "dumb" in some folks.

Yes, that's because there is "dumb" on both sides of the argument, as well as brazen and arrogant.

[Bonanza]

In all of the years I have owned dogs and walked dogs I have never encountered homeowners so protective of their property. There are all kinds of wild critters roaming The Villages, I don't think they will be paying any attention to your colored stakes. Shame on the pet owner who does not clean up after the pet, but that is another topic. I think this thread is specifically about people who have zero tolerance for pets on their property. My question to them - how did you handle this issue where you lived before moving to TV? None of your neighbors had dogs?

Bogey -- I agree with you. The dog "problem" is not specific to only The Villages. The problem is, before some of these people moved to The Villages they had to turn the other cheek and get on with their life whereas dogs were concerned. Now -- they have a vehicle to voice their venom -- it's called TOTV! The dog issue is age-old, on-going and will continue on ad infinitum.

While off topic, I find that Villagers continually beat a dead horse on certain subjects (such as dog walking and dog poop) and delight in changing the meaning of what a person says. Most of these old farts have too much time on their hands and need to create some constructive things to do other than bitching and moaning about dog poop.

The problem is inconsiderate pet owners who need to be confronted when someone sees "it" happening instead of crucifying the world.

[dah1020]

I have never trusted anyone that doesn't like dogs. They are companions and the love they give to their owners is unconditional. That being said I think all you dog haters should have a certain village where you all live together then you can find something else to hate maybe even each other. I walk my dog daily and there are times he decides he is going to go potty. I always pick up . All dogs need walked for exercise where are we supposed to go Not the dog parks. Took my dog there. He got fleas. No thank you. Don't you all have better things to worry about than a dog on your lawn. Good God!:BigApplause:

[gerryann]

I have never trusted anyone that doesn't like dogs. They are companions and the love they give to their owners is unconditional. That being said I think all you dog haters should have a certain village where you all live together then you can find something else to hate maybe even each other. I walk my dog daily and there are times he decides he is going to go potty. I always pick up . All dogs need walked for exercise where are we supposed to go Not the dog parks. Took my dog there. He got fleas. No thank you. Don't you all have better things to worry about than a dog on your lawn. Good God!:BigApplause:

:BigApplause:

[gerryann]

Yes, that's because there is "dumb" on both sides of the argument, as well as brazen and arrogant.

that's for sure!!!!

[gerryann]

Bogey -- I agree with you. The dog "problem" is not specific to only The Villages. The problem is, before some of these people moved to The Villages they had to turn the other cheek and get on with their life whereas dogs were concerned. Now -- they have a vehicle to voice their venom -- it's called TOTV! The dog issue is age-old, on-going and will continue on ad infinitum.

While off topic, I find that Villagers continually beat a dead horse on certain subjects (such as dog walking and dog poop) and delight in changing the meaning of what a person says. Most of these old farts have too much time on their hands and need to create some constructive things to do other than bitching and moaning about dog poop.

The problem is inconsiderate pet owners who need to be confronted when someone sees "it" happening instead of crucifying the world.

very true. Retired and nothing else to do with their time than to bitch about whatever comes to mind. Never in my life heard so much complaining. Dogs, poop, restaurants, landscapers, Yada, yada,yada.

[Bonanza]

I have never trusted anyone that doesn't like dogs. They are companions and the love they give to their owners is unconditional. That being said I think all you dog haters should have a certain village where you all live together then you can find something else to hate maybe even each other. I walk my dog daily and there are times he decides he is going to go potty. I always pick up . All dogs need walked for exercise where are we supposed to go Not the dog parks. Took my dog there. He got fleas. No thank you. Don't you all have better things to worry about than a dog on your lawn. Good God!:BigApplause:

Wonderful post!

I wanted to be the first to commend you (because you are so on target),
and comment before everyone else bashes you (they just don't get it).
It seems to be what Villagers do best . . . beside complaining about dogs.

[kittygilchrist]

In all of the years I have owned dogs and walked dogs I have never encountered homeowners so protective of their property. There are all kinds of wild critters roaming The Villages, I don't think they will be paying any attention to your colored stakes. Shame on the pet owner who does not clean up after the pet, but that is another topic. I think this thread is specifically about people who have zero tolerance for pets on their property. My question to them - how did you handle this issue where you lived before moving to TV? None of your neighbors had dogs?

My dog burns a hole in turf up to to 12" in diameter with her first morning urine. Not everyone knows a large female can generate an overdose of nitrogen that way.

[BarryRX]

:BigApplause:

You may think the people who don't want your dog on their lawn are dog haters, but I don't think so. It's very simply a matter of private property. That lawn is theirs. IT'S NOT YOURS! If they want to be completely unreasonable about your dogs fecal matter remains or urine on their lawn, then it's their prerogative. You do not get to pass the blame on to them for being "dog haters". There would be no situation for anybody to be arguing about if your pet wasn't on someone else's private property. Before anyone flames me, until recently I was a dog owner and have been for most of my life (my toy poodle shadow died 2 years ago). I spent many years working for CRT (chihuahua rescue and transport) in Ohio. I currently own a courtyard villa and there is a fire hydrant on my front lawn. Dogs go on my lawn all the time, and I don't mind. But for people to demonize property owners for not wanting you to not only trespass, but to have your pet pee and poop on their private property is outrageous. It's their property and it's their choice. If you think their choice is unreasonable, well that's too bad. Perhaps if you paid their property taxes for them you would be entitled to determine who can come onto their property.

[obxgal]

According to Janet Tutt it is considered trespassing to let your dog go on someone's yard.

Can't get any simpler than that. No need for signs or post. Just don't trespass, problem solved.

[gerryann]

You may think the people who don't want your dog on their lawn are dog haters, but I don't think so. It's very simply a matter of private property. That lawn is theirs. IT'S NOT YOURS! If they want to be completely unreasonable about your dogs fecal matter remains or urine on their lawn, then it's their prerogative. You do not get to pass the blame on to them for being "dog haters". There would be no situation for anybody to be arguing about if your pet wasn't on someone else's private property. Before anyone flames me, until recently I was a dog owner and have been for most of my life (my toy poodle shadow died 2 years ago). I spent many years working for CRT (chihuahua rescue and transport) in Ohio. I currently own a courtyard villa and there is a fire hydrant on my front lawn. Dogs go on my lawn all the time, and I don't mind. But for people to demonize property owners for not wanting you to not only trespass, but to have your pet pee and poop on their private property is outrageous. It's their property and it's their choice. If you think their choice is unreasonable, well that's too bad. Perhaps if you paid their property taxes for them you would be entitled to determine who can come onto their property.

I've never called anyone a dog hater. I don't believe anyone is a dog hater. The word hate is not in my vocabulary.

[buggyone]

According to Janet Tutt it is considered trespassing to let your dog go on someone's yard.

Can't get any simpler than that. No need for signs or post. Just don't trespass, problem solved.


...and just is the homeowner going to do? Are you going to call the Sheriff and hold the dog owner at gunpoint until the Sheriff arrives? Are you going to shoot the dog because it was on your property? The Sheriff would be taking YOU in the squad car to the lockup in either of those happenings.

Get real already. There is nothing you can do except to tell the person and their dog to vacate your lawn - and hopefully, tell them without screaming or cursing.

[birdawg]

You may think the people who don't want your dog on their lawn are dog haters, but I don't think so. It's very simply a matter of private property. That lawn is theirs. IT'S NOT YOURS! If they want to be completely unreasonable about your dogs fecal matter remains or urine on their lawn, then it's their prerogative. You do not get to pass the blame on to them for being "dog haters". There would be no situation for anybody to be arguing about if your pet wasn't on someone else's private property. Before anyone flames me, until recently I was a dog owner and have been for most of my life (my toy poodle shadow died 2 years ago). I spent many years working for CRT (chihuahua rescue and transport) in Ohio. I currently own a courtyard villa and there is a fire hydrant on my front lawn. Dogs go on my lawn all the time, and I don't mind. But for people to demonize property owners for not wanting you to not only trespass, but to have your pet pee and poop on their private property is outrageous. It's their property and it's their choice. If you think their choice is unreasonable, well that's too bad. Perhaps if you paid their property taxes for them you would be entitled to determine who can come onto their property.
Exactly!

[Bonanza]

My dog burns a hole in turf up to to 12" in diameter with her first morning urine. Not everyone knows a large female can generate an overdose of nitrogen that way.

I'm with you, Kitty.
Our dogs are female also so I know what you mean.

In our old house, we changed the sod (errr, rather dirt)
to turf and were thrilled beyond words.
Too bad our "rules" say we can't have it.
If you want to know why, PM me and send me your phone #.
I'll explain.

[Erijo]

Dear Barry & Obxgal,
WELL SAID!!!!

And that is that! Can we please end this discussion? It does not always bring out the best in people. Villagers are for the most part kind, generous and the first to help one another in times of trouble.

[obxgal]

...and just is the homeowner going to do? Are you going to call the Sheriff and hold the dog owner at gunpoint until the Sheriff arrives? Are you going to shoot the dog because it was on your property? The Sheriff would be taking YOU in the squad car to the lockup in either of those happenings.

Get real already. There is nothing you can do except to tell the person and their dog to vacate your lawn - and hopefully, tell them without screaming or cursing.

So I guess your saying it's okay to trespass on other peoples property with your dog. I would have no problem asking them to vacate my lawn without screaming or cursing unless it was someone like you, with an attitude. Have a good day buggyone.

[Polar Bear]

We need robotic dogs...a little electrical input...zero output.

[Bonanza]

According to Janet Tutt it is considered trespassing to let your dog go on someone's yard.

Can't get any simpler than that. No need for signs or post. Just don't trespass, problem solved.

My husband and I are dog lovers and owners and respect other people's property. We even respect their opinion . . . when they make sense and don't become arrogant.

Truthfully, I don't see how a tresspass law? / rule? / edict? could be put into effect. Personally, I find the word "trespass" offensive because it seems to only be used regarding people walking their dog. Within each Village, there are no sidewalks. You cannot walk a dog in the street under most circumstances, because the asphalt is excruciatingly hot and will burn their feet.

We take our dogs to "go" in our yard before we walk them. Sometimes they go and sometimes they don't. If they go on someone's property, we have our handy baggie with us.

Other than that, there really isn't an answer, I'm afraid.

What did all these people do before they moved here???

[gerryann]

Dear Barry & Obxgal,
WELL SAID!!!!

And that is that! Can we please end this discussion? It does not always bring out the best in people. Villagers are for the most part kind, generous and the first to help one another in times of trouble.

Is someone forcing you to open this discussion up? If you don't want to read it, why do you open it?

A funny thing about this discussion. I've lived in two neighborhoods in the villages. We all walk our dogs everywhere. Most folks walk down the street on the pavement while the dog (s) are on the grass. If they poop, it is picked up...always! No one complains. Ever!!

I believe that the "dog walking" dog pooping" issue is on TOTV and nowhere else. In fact I know very few people who even know what TOTV is. So......for folks reading this that do not live here yet. Let me tell you. TV really is a very dog friendly community. You will only find this kind of bitching on this forum. Bring your pups and enjoy life here. You will not run into this mindset anywhere around the villages.....only here on TOTV.

[Bonanza]

Is someone forcing you to open this discussion up? If you don't want to read it, why do you open it?

A funny thing about this discussion. I've lived in two neighborhoods in the villages. We all walk our dogs everywhere. Most folks walk down the street on the pavement while the dog (s) are on the grass. If they poop, it is picked up...always! No one complains. Ever!!

I believe that the "dog walking" dog pooping" issue is on TOTV and nowhere else. In fact I know very few people who even know what TOTV is. So......for folks reading this that do not live here yet. Let me tell you. TV really is a very dog friendly community. You will only find this kind of bitching on this forum. Bring your pups and enjoy life here. You will not run into this mindset anywhere around the villages.....only here on TOTV.

Yea, Gerryann!!! You go, girl!
You said it all in a nutshell,
what I and several others didn't do.

[Nipper]

When you had a survey of your property, did you notice that a portion of your property is not really your property five feet from the street? It is public domain. Have you not noticed stop signs, fire hydrants, street lights on your "property." That's the setback. There are no sidewalks where I live. I walk my small dogs in the street. They have to be walked in order to do their business. I always pick up after them.

All these complainers remind me of the mean man down the street when I was a kid who complained about everything. Pick your battles. This should not be one of them. If a dog happens to poop in your yard, I hope that's the worst thing that ever happens to you. If you see someone who does not pick up after his or her dog, call them out on it.

[janmcn]

So I guess your saying it's okay to trespass on other peoples property with your dog. I would have no problem asking them to vacate my lawn without screaming or cursing unless it was someone like you, with an attitude. Have a good day buggyone.

Personal attacks are not allowed on this forum.

[RedChariot]

you may think the people who don't want your dog on their lawn are dog haters, but i don't think so. It's very simply a matter of private property. That lawn is theirs. It's not yours! If they want to be completely unreasonable about your dogs fecal matter remains or urine on their lawn, then it's their prerogative. You do not get to pass the blame on to them for being "dog haters". There would be no situation for anybody to be arguing about if your pet wasn't on someone else's private property. Before anyone flames me, until recently i was a dog owner and have been for most of my life (my toy poodle shadow died 2 years ago). I spent many years working for crt (chihuahua rescue and transport) in ohio. I currently own a courtyard villa and there is a fire hydrant on my front lawn. Dogs go on my lawn all the time, and i don't mind. But for people to demonize property owners for not wanting you to not only trespass, but to have your pet pee and poop on their private property is outrageous. It's their property and it's their choice. If you think their choice is unreasonable, well that's too bad. Perhaps if you paid their property taxes for them you would be entitled to determine who can come onto their property.

thank you. Your effort is well appreciated. The dog owners will not admit that private property is private property and that maybe i do not want their animals excrement on my lawn. All urine remains on my lawn as does some of the stool even if you pick the bulk of it up.

[Erijo]

Dear Gerry, of course I want to read this, that's why I have responded earlier. I want to read both sides of the opinions. Please, with all due respect, I am entitled to my opinion just as much as you are. This is a discussion, not a fight to the death! :).

[gerryann]

Sorry if you misunderstood. My comment was concerning your wanting the discussion ended.

[TheVillageChicken]

When you had a survey of your property, did you notice that a portion of your property is not really your property five feet from the street? It is public domain. Have you not noticed stop signs, fire hydrants, street lights on your "property." That's the setback. There are no sidewalks where I live. I walk my small dogs in the street. They have to be walked in order to do their business. I always pick up after them.

All these complainers remind me of the mean man down the street when I was a kid who complained about everything. Pick your battles. This should not be one of them. If a dog happens to poop in your yard, I hope that's the worst thing that ever happens to you. If you see someone who does not pick up after his or her dog, call them out on it.

That ten foot easement is not public domain. It belongs to the property owner and only the Developer or representative can access it without permission and then only for the construction, installation and maintenance of utilities such as electric light lines, sanitary, sewer, storm drainage, water lines, cablevision, telephone, and telegraph lines or the like.

[buggyone]

So I guess your saying it's okay to trespass on other peoples property with your dog. I would have no problem asking them to vacate my lawn without screaming or cursing unless it was someone like you, with an attitude. Have a good day buggyone.

Actually, I am only saying there is precious little you can do about it except to tell someone to vacate your lawn.

[Taltarzac725]

Is someone forcing you to open this discussion up? If you don't want to read it, why do you open it?

A funny thing about this discussion. I've lived in two neighborhoods in the villages. We all walk our dogs everywhere. Most folks walk down the street on the pavement while the dog (s) are on the grass. If they poop, it is picked up...always! No one complains. Ever!!

I believe that the "dog walking" dog pooping" issue is on TOTV and nowhere else. In fact I know very few people who even know what TOTV is. So......for folks reading this that do not live here yet. Let me tell you. TV really is a very dog friendly community. You will only find this kind of bitching on this forum. Bring your pups and enjoy life here. You will not run into this mindset anywhere around the villages.....only here on TOTV.


That's been my experiences too with living with a dog here in the Villages since 2007. I also lived without a dog before that in the Villages since 2005. I have never had anyone complain to me about my dog peeing or pooping on their lawns because I pick up the poop and try to watch where the dog pees so he does not always go in one spot. That's both on our lawn as well as others when he is walking.

Dogs from other owners poop and pee on our lawn as well and someone almost always pick up the poop.

As long as there are open areas in the Villages, you are going to have people complaining though on TOTV about dogs peeing and pooping on lawns.

[njbchbum]

When you had a survey of your property, did you notice that a portion of your property is not really your property five feet from the street? It is public domain. Have you not noticed stop signs, fire hydrants, street lights on your "property." That's the setback. There are no sidewalks where I live. I walk my small dogs in the street. They have to be walked in order to do their business. I always pick up after them.
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I believe it is my property as I pay taxes on it and am required to maintain it. What you describe is an easement [as TheVillageChicken described], but that does not make it public domain.

[Villageshooter]

just get a motion detector sprinkler head, it gets the dog and owner wet,,,one of the 2 will learn a lesson an not go in the yard!

[OBXNana]

After reading the forum for a little over a year it seems all the problems in The Villages can be solved quite easily with houses being owner occupied and no pets. So many discussions go one of two directions and the threads become quite heated.

Personally, I find it entertaining. In fact, in many circumstances I can tell what stand the poster will be on with both subjects without reading the thread!

[jalopy54]

It would not surprise me if you don't have a I Allow Dogs Stake in your lawn. You are probably asking for it, that is poop and pee after dark. So, I really don't think pet owners in TV would appreciate this. I guess they are saying :mademyday:

[CFrance]

Bogey -- I agree with you. The dog "problem" is not specific to only The Villages. The problem is, before some of these people moved to The Villages they had to turn the other cheek and get on with their life whereas dogs were concerned. Now -- they have a vehicle to voice their venom -- it's called TOTV! The dog issue is age-old, on-going and will continue on ad infinitum.

While off topic, I find that Villagers continually beat a dead horse on certain subjects (such as dog walking and dog poop) and delight in changing the meaning of what a person says. Most of these old farts have too much time on their hands and need to create some constructive things to do other than bitching and moaning about dog poop.

The problem is inconsiderate pet owners who need to be confronted when someone sees "it" happening instead of crucifying the world.

I agree with you, Bonanza, and I also believe that certain posters on this forum bring the dog thing up either to keep stirring up the pot or to blast, passively aggressively, those of us dog owners whom they don't like for one reason or another. So they decide to get at us through our sweet puppies.

No worries... I'm currently sitting at a dog friendly beach hotel with dog on bar deck. Lots of scratchy-scratches being given to himself by strangers. In real life outside TOTV, dogs are loved. Actually, outside of the forum, my dog is loved.

[Carl in Tampa]

The discussion has evolved to different understandings of the concepts of "right of way," "easements" and "public domain."

I think many of us have brought these concepts here from other jurisdictions and perhaps we are not educated on what is the legal understanding here; particularly since we are in three different counties which may have different laws.

Also, although most residential areas in TV do not have sidewalks in front of their houses, there are some that do. Does this make a difference? Looking through our purchase paperwork today I could not find a plat map of the house, so my question is:

Does the actual property line of the property extend all the way to the edge of the street? If not, that area between the property line and the street is open for pedestrians, dogs or even for golf carts to pull off of the pavement. It is not an "easement" of your property. It's simply not yours.

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Just as an example, the plat map of my home in Tampa shows that my property line is at the edge of my front sidewalk which is nearest to my house. Accordingly, if my sidewalk requires maintenance or repair (which it does when oak tree roots make it uneven) it is the responsibility of the county to fix it.
I have no standing to forbid people from walking on the sidewalk or that portion of land between the sidewalk and the street.

But, in spite of this there is a county ordnance that requires me to properly maintain the "lawn" between the sidewalk and the edge of the pavement, and to pay for trimming the oak trees growing in this area. In addition, I am forbidden from cutting down these trees.

The "easement" for underground utilities and access for maintenance and repairs at my house is in the back yard. There is a 20 foot wide (10 feet on my property and 10 feet on my neighbor's property) swath on which no structure can be built and from which any vegetation may be removed without reimbursement to me, that is reserved for the utility companies to have access.

Roadways in Florida generally consist of the paved portion of the road, an unpaved shoulder, and in some cases an additional width of property. The definition for this entire width of property is the Right of Way. There are some congested areas in the state where you will see roadside signs saying "No Parking on The Right of Way." They are referring to the entire width of the property.

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Returning to TV. Look at your plat map. If your property line survey extends all the way to the pavement, then the entire front lawn is yours. If not, it isn't. Simple as that.

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I don't have a dog in this fight...........literally. I'm allergic and can't live with dogs. But I love them and they are welcome on my lawn. I would prefer that their owners pick up after them but won't develop the vapors if it doesn't happen.

[gerryann]

No worries... I'm currently sitting at a dog friendly beach hotel with dog on bar deck. Lots of scratchy-scratches being given to himself by strangers. In real life outside TOTV, dogs are loved. Actually, outside of the forum, my dog is loved.

Closing my eyes real tight and my pup and me are right there with you. So, if you feel a lick on your ankle, it's only my Gilda.

[gustavo]

.... so my question is:

Does the actual property line of the property extend all the way to the edge of the street? If not, that area between the property line and the street is open for pedestrians, dogs or even for golf carts to pull off of the pavement. It is not an "easement" of your property. It's simply not yours. ....


Returning to TV. Look at your plat map. If your property line survey extends all the way to the pavement, then the entire front lawn is yours. If not, it isn't. Simple as that. ......







The property line does not run to the curb and the 10-15 feet between your line and the curb is not your property but per the deed restrictions, you are required to maintain it.

I've had two houses in two different sections of the Villages in Sumter Co.

The first house had a survey and clearly shows that the property line ends 25 feet from the center line of the street. It shows a 15 foot lawn area between my line and the curb, i.e. the street is not 50 feet wide but 20 foot wide. The 15 foot section between the curb and the property line is not mine but my deed restrictions require I maintain it.

My current house does not have a survey but the street plat shows that my property line is 25 feet from the center line of the street. The plat shows the street is 50 feet wide, but it is not 50 feet wide, it is 28 feet wide, so the same condition as house one applies to my current house as well, 11 feet of the lawn is not mine.


So, the 10-15 foot swath of lawn next to the road is your to maintain and it is open for anyone to "trespass" on it, including dogs.

[perrjojo]

The property line does not run to the curb and the 15 feet between your line and the curb is not your property but per the deed restrictions, you are required to maintain it.

I've had two houses in two different sections of the Villages in Sumter Co.

The first house had a survey and clearly shows that the property line ends 25 feet from the center line of the street. It shows a 15 foot lawn area between my line and the curb, i.e. the street is not 50 feet wide but 20 foot wide. The 15 foot section between the curb and the property line is not mine but my deed restrictions require I maintain it.

My current house does not have a survey but the street plat shows that my property line is 25 feet from the center line of the street. The plat shows the street is 50 feet wide, but it is not 50 feet wide, it is 30 feet wide, so the same condition as house one applies to my current house as well.


So, the 15 foot swath of lawn next to the road is your to maintain and it is open for anyone to "trespass" on it, including dogs.

Please don't try to confuse us with FACTS. :1rotfl:

[Carl in Tampa]

To add fuel to the (dwindling) fire.......................

Is "clean up after your dog" a law, regulation, or simply an unenforceable "courtesy?"

[CFrance]

To add fuel to the (dwindling) fire.......................

Is "clean up after your dog" a law, regulation, or simply an unenforceable "courtesy?"

That's a good question, because in at least two places we've lived, it's a law or ordinance, punishable by fine. I've never researched our county (Sumter) because we don't do any of that stuff that people get so upset about.

[lovsthosebigdogs]

The property line does not run to the curb and the 10-15 feet between your line and the curb is not your property but per the deed restrictions, you are required to maintain it.

I've had two houses in two different sections of the Villages in Sumter Co.

The first house had a survey and clearly shows that the property line ends 25 feet from the center line of the street. It shows a 15 foot lawn area between my line and the curb, i.e. the street is not 50 feet wide but 20 foot wide. The 15 foot section between the curb and the property line is not mine but my deed restrictions require I maintain it.

My current house does not have a survey but the street plat shows that my property line is 25 feet from the center line of the street. The plat shows the street is 50 feet wide, but it is not 50 feet wide, it is 28 feet wide, so the same condition as house one applies to my current house as well, 11 feet of the lawn is not mine.

So, the 10-15 foot swath of lawn next to the road is your to maintain and it is open for anyone to "trespass" on it, including dogs.

Thank you for this very informative post and also to you, Carl, for getting this started. All I wanted to know was if I could walk my dogs down the street without harassment. Things are looking up and maybe now I won't actually have to fear getting run over by a vehicle if I have to move to the side to let one pass.

Oh and CFrance, jealously envisioning your lovely time and that of Crosby also. Have fun with all the attention.

[Buffalo Jim]

Just ran out of pop-corn .

[mfp509]

It all boils down to common sense and courtesy. I have a dog and I do not allow him to go up onto people's lawns - period. He is constantly reminded - "on the edge". I pick up, if it happens along our walk and if there are any remnants (not usually), I pour water from my water bottle and wash it. A little respect goes a long way.

[Stdole]

I would like to know how the dog owners are going to repair my lawn after the dogs urinate or how they are going to clean up the urine?

Yes, I did own a dog for 12 yrs. but I know my limitations in The Villages
and all who bought and own property here also knows the regs. Stop the
excuses and take responsibility for getting the bills that will come your way
at some point.

[Barefoot]

I used to do street construction and I think there is a right away that you maintain only and it goes into most properties. Therefore no one is trespassing on anyone's property.
Can we stop with the dog posts for a while and have a rest please! !!

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