Square One Burgers

[applesoffh]

Went to Square One Burgers today at 1pm for lunch. Place was packed! Happy we decided to see for ourselves what the restaurant was all about. Burgers were done exactly the way we wanted them, and not the way the restaurant thought they should be cooked. YES! Won't argue that they are a bit pricey but my husband and I agreed that the price was worth it, and will definitely go again. To all the naysayers who posted on a previous thread about Suqare One - if it's too expensive for you, don't go. Anyone interested can go online and check the menu and prices. First timers can sign up and get a $5.00 coupon. As I stated above, we will definitely go back.

[CFrance]

That's nice to know about the coupon. We did sign up for their loyalty club as well, even though we probably won't go there as much as we would other places. It just helps you be aware of special offerings.

[Aloha]

What was the prices of their burgers for dogs? Was it just as over-priced as the burgers for humans?

[Taltarzac725]

http://www.square1burgers.com/storage/downloads/The%20Villages%20Menu.pdf

Glad to hear about the coupon. Where do you sign up for the Loyalty Club?

[dewilson58]

What was the prices of their burgers for dogs? Was it just as over-priced as the burgers for humans?


Burgers for dogs cost more..............there is more meat, less filler.


:22yikes::22yikes:

[ilovetv]

The Square 1 menu looks delicious with a nice variety!

Nice to see a new restaurant that is not TooJays, Cody's and the others already at the town squares.

This will be a good alternative to Five Guys, which at Brownwood looks unappetizing because of the bright lights and messy floors and strewn-around chairs (have seen poor housekeeping there every time we tried it). Atmosphere leaves much to be desired.

[Cisco Kid]

I am waiting for a review on the Portobello Please.

They hold me over between Morel seasons.

[LittleDog]

My wife and I went for lunch the other day. I ordered the chicken with pineapple and other sauces. It was delicious. My wife ordered a plain hamburger without a bun. There was grease all over the plate. To me that gives the burger flavor but she didn't like all the grease. Don't know whether I can get her to go back there. If she had ordered a burger with a bun she might not have noticed all the grease.

John

[villagerjack]

Grease is the best part.

[Trayderjoe]

The Square 1 menu looks delicious with a nice variety!

Nice to see a new restaurant that is not TooJays, Cody's and the others already at the town squares.

This will be a good alternative to Five Guys, which at Brownwood looks unappetizing because of the bright lights and messy floors and strewn-around chairs (have seen poor housekeeping there every time we tried it). Atmosphere leaves much to be desired.

My wife and I ate there Sunday afternoon and found the previous postings to be right in line with our experience. The restaurant and the restrooms were clean and we enjoyed the ambiance, although the red velvet seating section did remind us a little of a brothel from the old westerns on television :). Our server's name was Jenny and she was excellent-we would not hesitate to request her as our server and do recommend her. She asked if this was our first time (it was) and she "filled us in" including information about the loyalty club with the $5.00 coupon and that the club does something for our birthday (no details there but we didn't ask either). She brought up the price and acknowledged that the cost was higher, and attributed it to the fresh ingredients without apology. I was glad to hear the server being upfront about the cost and not be apologetic about it. We started with the fried mac n' cheese with their SQ1 Sooner dipping sauce. The appetizer was very good and worth the price. The dipping sauce was not as spicy as I thought it might be (my wife doesn't like to eat food that has "heat", yet she enjoyed the dipping sauce-so it could not have been too hot). Our burgers (I had the South of the Border and she had the Turkey Cobb) were prepared as ordered and were quite juicy versus greasy. There was good spacing between the appetizer and the burgers, so we were able to enjoy the background music while being able to chat and "knosh" on the appetizer. OK, as to the cost-for our burgers, appetizer and sweet teas without tip came to about $37.00. Putting this into perspective, we have had similarly priced burgers at two other chain restaurants: Ruby Tuesday's and Famous Dave's BBQ. The prime Angus burgers at RT's were greasy and not as fresh tasting as Square One, whereas the brisket burgers at Famous Dave's were in our opinion the best of the three. Note that Square One allows you to "upgrade" your beef to Kobe beef or buffalo for an extra $5 if you so choose. I would not recommend this unless you had a discerning palette so that you could enjoy the difference. Summing up, if price is your primary consideration, there may be other more appealing options. If freshly prepared products are your preference, then having good service, a clean restaurant and nice atmosphere may have you going back.

[rubicon]

I reviewed their menu carefully and have concluded that their prices will play havoc with the concept of elastic demand or as the folks in my hometown would say "Lordy, those prices will send you broke" "Can't eat there but once in a blue moon":D

[CFrance]

Good, honest review, Trayderjoe.

The only thing that I might add is that their idea of medium rare is my idea of rare. My lamb burger was too rare in the middle. Be careful when you order. I will ask for medium or well done in the future.

[MikeV]

I went there solo and they did not seem to like that I did not want to sit at the bar and requested a table instead. It wasn't busy so I don't get the problem. I had to ask twice not to be seated at the bar. Food - Fantastic.

[Aloha]

Any comments about the menu for dogs there? I understand it is fabulous. How do they cook For both dogs and humans in the same kitchen? Perhaps it is not a problem?

[CFrance]

Any comments about the menu for dogs there? I understand it is fabulous. How do they cook For both dogs and humans in the same kitchen? Perhaps it is not a problem?
It's all the same food. Human food for all.

[gingin410]

I am an old-fashioned American cheese-burger fan and always add sweet relish. I started asking for Square One to carry sweet relish back in April. I even sent an e-mail to the address published on their site. Not only haven't they made sweet relish available for those that request it, I feel as though I have been ignored as I could have received a response to my e-mail. Anyway...I won't vote for them as the best burger place.

[Patty55]

I am an old-fashioned American cheese-burger fan and always add sweet relish. I started asking for Square One to carry sweet relish back in April. I even sent an e-mail to the address published on their site. Not only haven't they made sweet relish available for those that request it, I feel as though I have been ignored as I could have received a response to my e-mail. Anyway...I won't vote for them as the best burger place.

If you like the place why not bring your own relish? When I lived in upstate NY I brought my own cranberry sauce to one place, had to bring real butter to almost everywhere else.

[CFrance]

If you like the place why not bring your own relish? When I lived in upstate NY I brought my own cranberry sauce to one place, had to bring real butter to almost everywhere else.
I can see that. You'd think a hamburger joint would have relish, though...

[Down Sized]

I'm from central USA. I must say I have never heard of relish on a hamburger. Let alone sweet relish. Maybe a hot dog. Is this a Philippines or South Korea thing?

[CFrance]

I'm from central USA. I must say I have never heard of relish on a hamburger. Let alone sweet relish. Maybe a hot dog. Is this a Philippines or South Korea thing?

Nope. grew up with it in PA and later NJ and MI.

[Bogie Shooter]

Relish is for hot dogs!

[Indydealmaker]

I am an old-fashioned American cheese-burger fan and always add sweet relish. I started asking for Square One to carry sweet relish back in April. I even sent an e-mail to the address published on their site. Not only haven't they made sweet relish available for those that request it, I feel as though I have been ignored as I could have received a response to my e-mail. Anyway...I won't vote for them as the best burger place.

That is interesting that you did not get an email response. I have corresponded by email with both corporate and the local restaurant with excellent results.

[Bonny]

I'm from Michigan. Never heard of relish on a hamburger. Pickles on a burger, relish on a hot dog. But, we all like what we like. I like mayo on my burger and people will say, oh no, mustard & ketchup. LOL

[CFrance]

I don't like relish on anything anymore. But we did have it in GR. They also had a hot dog relish that was mustard based. Now that was good.

[gatherer47]

I have noticed several restaurants that don't carry relish.I do use it on my burger.And Bonny,I put mayo on my peanut butter sandwich.

[CFrance]

I have noticed several restaurants that don't carry relish.I do use it on my burger.And Bonny,I put mayo on my peanut butter sandwich.
So does my husband. Blech.

[SantaClaus]

Hmmm... the website says there's no doggie dining at the Villages location, but it sounds like folks who have been say there is. Can anyone confirm?

[Indydealmaker]

Hmmm... the website says there's no doggie dining at the Villages location, but it sounds like folks who have been say there is. Can anyone confirm?

There was Doggie Dining at the new location for a few weeks until management determined that Wildwood needed to write a town regulation approving or disapproving dogs dining on outdoor patios.

Typical of the way our brilliant government works: Such a activity is legal in Florida provided that the local government does not have a law against it. Even though Wildwood DID NOT have a law against it, since they did not have one FOR , the doggie dining was illegal.

REALLY ASS BACKWARDS! I guess in our New World Order, everything is illegal unless a law is written allowing it. Now I am really worried. I just checked and there is no law specifically allowing breathing in a public place!

[TomOB]

Pickle relish is chopped pickles IMHO.

[BarryRX]

There was Doggie Dining at the new location for a few weeks until management determined that Wildwood needed to write a town regulation approving or disapproving dogs dining on outdoor patios.

Typical of the way our brilliant government works: Such a activity is legal in Florida provided that the local government does not have a law against it. Even though Wildwood DID NOT have a law against it, since they did not have one FOR , the doggie dining was illegal.

REALLY ASS BACKWARDS! I guess in our New World Order, everything is illegal unless a law is written allowing it. Now I am really worried. I just checked and there is no law specifically allowing breathing in a public place!

I think you've got that a bit backwards. You say that this is typical of the way our brilliant government works and it has something to do with our "New World Order", when in fact our government (Federal, State, or Local) did absolutely nothing in this case. What probably happened is that some lawyer at Square One corporate headquarters decided that their corporate exposure to lawsuits was too great unless a law was passed allowing it. Isn't this post supposed to be about a hamburger restaurant?

[Indydealmaker]

I think you've got that a bit backwards. You say that this is typical of the way our brilliant government works and it has something to do with our "New World Order", when in fact our government (Federal, State, or Local) did absolutely nothing in this case. What probably happened is that some lawyer at Square One corporate headquarters decided that their corporate exposure to lawsuits was too great unless a law was passed allowing it. Isn't this post supposed to be about a hamburger restaurant?

Barry, I have talked to corporate and they were told to stop the doggie dining by Wildwood until Wildwood established a permit structure. Square1 lawyers had already researched and found that there were no rules or laws prohibiting the doggie dining and that, as in their other locations, they were good to go in accordance with Florida law.

[Patty55]

There was Doggie Dining at the new location for a few weeks until management determined that Wildwood needed to write a town regulation approving or disapproving dogs dining on outdoor patios.

Typical of the way our brilliant government works: Such a activity is legal in Florida provided that the local government does not have a law against it. Even though Wildwood DID NOT have a law against it, since they did not have one FOR , the doggie dining was illegal.

REALLY ASS BACKWARDS! I guess in our New World Order, everything is illegal unless a law is written allowing it. Now I am really worried. I just checked and there is no law specifically allowing breathing in a public place!

And people wonder why we have no decent restaurants here, just the usual fast food swill. Apparently TV is the only location in the chain that has issues with this, what does that say?

IMO, anyone even entertaining the idea of opening a business here should think long and hard.

As long as I'm on a rant let throw in that I hate Brownwood, it looks like the inside of a cheap steakhouse,(but then again I would probably hate the first Brownwood too-LOL).

[Bonny]

I have noticed several restaurants that don't carry relish.I do use it on my burger.And Bonny,I put mayo on my peanut butter sandwich.

Oh no, not mayo !! Marshmallow fluff with peanut butter. LOL :D

[CFrance]

Well, it's too hot for dogs to be outside anyway right now, so maybe by the time it cools down a bit, Wildwood will have decided to pass the bill. In the meantime, we could write to them about what the law says and encourage it.

Maybe someone could pass along the Florida law laid out by Indy.

[KeepingItReal]

Barry, I have talked to corporate and they were told to stop the doggie dining by Wildwood until Wildwood established a permit structure. Square1 lawyers had already researched and found that there were no rules or laws prohibiting the doggie dining and that, as in their other locations, they were good to go in accordance with Florida law.

I am confident that your information is flawed and that your source is mistaken. I contacted the Director of Communication and Special Projects regarding this question and I have attached his reply below:

[B][I]Hi Steven,

Thank you for writing.

I did extensive research into the dog permit issue prior to opening to be sure we would be in compliance with any local ordinances. After going through the state of Florida, Sumter County, and the City of Wildwood ordinances, and also having phone conversations with representatives of each (some more than once) the final determination was that there isn't any official certificate that can be obtained.

The state of Florida leaves it to each local government to decide whether they will require any kind of permit. Neither the City of Wildwood or Sumter County require one.

There is a requirement to post the health, safety, and general welfare rules so patrons can read them (I made a large 11"x17" sign that should be on display on the patio), but that is the only requirement.

I'm including a link to the Sumter County Code of Ordinances that directly addresses the issue of dogs in public food establishments. There is a lot of information in there, but what we discovered in all of my conversations with the city and the county is that at the very end of the ordinance (section d) the requirements for a permit expired in July of 2009.

http://library.municode.com/HTML/12044/level4/COCO_CH13LADECO_ARTVSPUSST_DIV3SASE.html#COCO_CH13 LADECO_ARTVSPUSST_DIV3SASE_S13-735DOWIOUPOPUFOES

I appreciate your interest in standing up for the dogs, we think it's a great thing for people to be able to bring them out with them—now if I could only bring my cats . . . !

Have a good afternoon and please let me know if you have any other questions.

Jarrod


Jarrod Dyer
Director of Communication
and Special Projects
Square 1 Burgers & Bar


With the recent developments it seems like it was Mr Dyers information that was flawed and his source mistaken....... :jester:

[BarryRX]

Barry, I have talked to corporate and they were told to stop the doggie dining by Wildwood until Wildwood established a permit structure. Square1 lawyers had already researched and found that there were no rules or laws prohibiting the doggie dining and that, as in their other locations, they were good to go in accordance with Florida law.

Sorry Steve, I stand corrected.

[mulligan]

With the recent developments it seems like it was Mr Dyers information that was flawed and his source mistaken....... :jester:

Sounds to me like the Wildwood city council have enough sense to leave the dog at home when dining out. I love dogs, but I don't see any reason to force them on other people at restaurants, the squares, or neighborhood parties. Some people just don't like them, or are allergic, or are afraid of them. Leave them at home. They are way too low on the food chain to be pampered at public gatherings.

[Indydealmaker]

Sorry Steve, I stand corrected.

Well, Barry, as often as I am wrong, it also appears that somebody at Square1, although they did their due diligence, was wrong not to predict the backward logic of the town of Wildwood.

Who would have thought that in absence of a "local permit requirement", it would be against the law to do something that has been deemed legal on a statewide basis.

After all, the state law did not demand that local authorities have a permit requirement, only that by having one the dogs could be banned if they desired. Who knows? I don't even have a dog, but I like red meat, so all is good.

[meddicjr]

I agree with you. My husband and I have eaten there often and think it is great.

[Jayhawk]

Sounds to me like the Wildwood city council have enough sense to leave the dog at home when dining out. I love dogs, but I don't see any reason to force them on other people at restaurants, the squares, or neighborhood parties. Some people just don't like them, or are allergic, or are afraid of them. Leave them at home. They are way too low on the food chain to be pampered at public gatherings.

Actually, the Wildwood Council APPROVED the request.

See villages news .com for details.

:BigApplause:

[gerryann]

Actually, the Wildwood Council APPROVED the request.

See villages news .com for details.

:BigApplause:

Yeahhh!!! I'm happy about this. My pup is too hyper to come to a restaurant with us, but this is great for all those that can take their pups along. I'm also happy because this is something that Square 1 likes to do for their patrons...they followed the correct path to get this approved and succeeded.

[TomOB]

Count me out. Not a fan of dogs where I eat.

[gerryann]

Count me out. Not a fan of dogs where I eat.

No dogs allowed inside.

Give it a try. The food is great. The atmosphere and decorating is fantastic! The pups can't affect you if you're indoors.

[Chi-Town]

Just think, you can bring your pooch, have a really good meal, and top it off with a cigarette. How much better can it get (well maybe not for all).

[Down Sized]

Dogs and cigarettes. That really makes me want to eat there. I think Panera's company policy is MUCH WISER than Square 1. At least, you'll won't have to put up with me.

[perrjojo]

All of the dog haters have only made this more popular for dog dinning by causing such a fuss and givining Square1 lots of free publicity. Lots of dog owners would not have even known about the policy until all the fuss started

[Chi-Town]

Actually if they allow dogs they shouldn't allow smoking. Humans can get away from the smoke, but the dogs are stuck there on a leash.

[CFrance]

Yeahhh!!! I'm happy about this. My pup is too hyper to come to a restaurant with us, but this is great for all those that can take their pups along. I'm also happy because this is something that Square 1 likes to do for their patrons...they followed the correct path to get this approved and succeeded.
And ours takes up too much real estate under the table. But I am very happy for everyone else who can bring their dog along. Very happy for Wildwood to be forward-thinking.

[Patty55]

Just think, you can bring your pooch, have a really good meal, and top it off with a cigarette. How much better can it get (well maybe not for all).

Yep, it works for me. Maybe now other restaurants will not be so intimidated by the chronic complainers.

[gomoho]

But does anyone still go there to eat??? Went once, thought it was over priced for what I got, and won't be back again. What do you think?

[Cisco Kid]

It's a great day in The Villages
:BigApplause:

[gerryann]

It's a great day in The Villages
:BigApplause:

It sure is !!!! ......a bit hot, but great anyway!!!!

[CFrance]

But does anyone still go there to eat??? Went once, thought it was over priced for what I got, and won't be back again. What do you think?
We didn't particularly care for it, but we had no real big complaints. We shop over there frequently, and the restaurant always has a crowd, even during this off season. I guess a lot of people like it.

[Aloha]

Are the food items on the dog menu prepared in the same kitchen area as the items on the regular menu? Are the same utensils used and the same cleaning equipment used for all? Who is responsible for the urine and feces from the dogs? How is the tracking of urine and feces into the serving and cooking area prevented? How are attacks by dogs and serious bite infections handled? How about other customers who are allergic to dogs or have concerns about possible diseases from fleas and other parasites that are hosted by dogs? Perhaps all these issues and questions are null by simply deciding to visit other restaurants.

[gerryann]

Are the food items on the dog menu prepared in the same kitchen area as the items on the regular menu? Are the same utensils used and the same cleaning equipment used for all? Who is responsible for the urine and feces from the dogs? How is the tracking of urine and feces into the serving and cooking area prevented? How are attacks by dogs and serious bite infections handled? How about other customers who are allergic to dogs or have concerns about possible diseases from fleas and other parasites that are hosted by dogs? Perhaps all these issues and questions are null by simply deciding to visit other restaurants.

Yup, other restaurants for you :)

[buggyone]

Personally, I do not see Square One losing any customers by their allowing dogs to be on their outdoor patio. There is a restaurant at Lake Sumter Landing that allows dogs on their outdoor patio and it is one of the most popular places. Their dog policy has not hurt their business at all and you normally do not see more than one dog there.

It is a decision that has been made. Naysayers and nabobs of negativism would not enjoy themselves wherever they went. The rest of us will enjoy Square One.

[perrjojo]

Are the food items on the dog menu prepared in the same kitchen area as the items on the regular menu? Are the same utensils used and the same cleaning equipment used for all? Who is responsible for the urine and feces from the dogs? How is the tracking of urine and feces into the serving and cooking area prevented? How are attacks by dogs and serious bite infections handled? How about other customers who are allergic to dogs or have concerns about possible diseases from fleas and other parasites that are hosted by dogs? Perhaps all these issues and questions are null by simply deciding to visit other restaurants.
I'm certain it is handled like any other restaurant in the USA that allows dogs. If you really want to know, ask the health department.

[Bonny]

Are the food items on the dog menu prepared in the same kitchen area as the items on the regular menu? Are the same utensils used and the same cleaning equipment used for all? Who is responsible for the urine and feces from the dogs? How is the tracking of urine and feces into the serving and cooking area prevented? How are attacks by dogs and serious bite infections handled? How about other customers who are allergic to dogs or have concerns about possible diseases from fleas and other parasites that are hosted by dogs? Perhaps all these issues and questions are null by simply deciding to visit other restaurants.

Probably better if you go to restaurants where dogs aren't allowed on the patio. That way everyone can be happy.

[Patty55]

But does anyone still go there to eat??? Went once, thought it was over priced for what I got, and won't be back again. What do you think?

I haven't been there yet but I will now as a sign of support. I'll even force myself to have a few drinks and beignets with rasberry and chocolate:D) to make up for the cranks who are opting out.

The sacrifices I make in the name of fair play.

[DonH57]

My best bud Bailey and I will have to try it out. I'm sure he is looking forward to a cold draft as well.

[CPOA Cleveland]

Food was very good. We went there "kind of late" on a Friday evening around 9:30pm or a little later. We were seated right away, but we ordered a couple drinks when we sat down, and it "seriously" took over 20 minutes (maybe longer) to get them.

we did not ask, but management took the drinks off our bill and came over to apologize.

[janmcn]

Are the food items on the dog menu prepared in the same kitchen area as the items on the regular menu? Are the same utensils used and the same cleaning equipment used for all? Who is responsible for the urine and feces from the dogs? How is the tracking of urine and feces into the serving and cooking area prevented? How are attacks by dogs and serious bite infections handled? How about other customers who are allergic to dogs or have concerns about possible diseases from fleas and other parasites that are hosted by dogs? Perhaps all these issues and questions are null by simply deciding to visit other restaurants.

Square One has been allowing pets on the patio at all of their other locations, so conceivably they have thought out all of the issues mentioned above.

It was the Florida legislature that passed the law allowing dogs on outdoor patios a few years ago. If there are concerns, contact Rep Marlene O'Toole and tell her to repeal and replace this law.

[Indydealmaker]

But does anyone still go there to eat??? Went once, thought it was over priced for what I got, and won't be back again. What do you think?

My wife and I go once a week. We like the creative variety of the sandwiches and the onion rings as well as the super shakes.

I don't think $10 to $15 for a meal is out of line.

If you are on a budget, they have a special on Tuesday for $10 for a burger, fries and beer. Wednesdays, their HUGE order of onion rings is discounted from $9 to $3.

[Wandatime]

I went there, had a salad, and it was very good. The food was fresh, the portions were large, the restaurant was clean, and the service was excellent. I didn't find it pricey by "northern" standards, but maybe a bit pricey for TV standards. I will definitely be going back there to eat.

I ate inside, and was completely unaware of any dogs or cigarette business going on outside. Nary a bark or whiff of smoke. If I didn't already know it, I would have thought there was no outdoor patio. Here is why: the two areas are quite separate. Why, there is steel and concrete and glass and all kinds of barriers between the two. Kind of like being in your house eating dinner in complete and ignorant bliss while a dog is being walked RIGHT OUTSIDE YOUR DOOR! Horrors! BY a SMOKER! Double Horrors! :jester:

[gerryann]

I went there, had a salad, and it was very good. The food was fresh, the portions were large, the restaurant was clean, and the service was excellent. I didn't find it pricey by "northern" standards, but maybe a bit pricey for TV standards. I will definitely be going back there to eat.

I ate inside, and was completely unaware of any dogs or cigarette business going on outside. Nary a bark or whiff of smoke. If I didn't already know it, I would have thought there was no outdoor patio. Here is why: the two areas are quite separate. Why, there is steel and concrete and glass and all kinds of barriers between the two. Kind of like being in your house eating dinner in complete and ignorant bliss while a dog is being walked RIGHT OUTSIDE YOUR DOOR! Horrors! BY a SMOKER! Double Horrors! :jester:

Nice post with good explanation of patio area. Glad you had a positive visit.

[EnglishJW]

We finally got to Square One. It is a bit on the pricey side but the service was excellent with no wait when we went. The food was very good and we enjoyed the "unique" decorating scheme (we're from NJ).

[Mickedamouse24]

:swear:Johnny Rocket's, Too-Jays and now Square One are off my lists of dining options! My choice, and while I still have that choice, I will exercise it. Walked out of Too-Jays recently after a lady brought in a so-called companion dog, allowed it to put it's front paws up on the table and them proceeded to feed it from her plate! You can't fix stupid, so I decide to take my business else where!

[Patty55]

:swear:Johnny Rocket's, Too-Jays and now Square One are off my lists of dining options! My choice, and while I still have that choice, I will exercise it. Walked out of Too-Jays recently after a lady brought in a so-called companion dog, allowed it to put it's front paws up on the table and them proceeded to feed it from her plate! You can't fix stupid, so I decide to take my business else where!

HHhmmm, did they charge her a sharing fee?

[simpkinp]

Boy, that tale about Toojays does shock me. Letting an animal who is not a service dog inside the restaurant is bad, allowing it to put paws on the table is incredible. I hope you spoke to management about this. What did they say? I believe they need to know why a customer will not return.

[gerryann]

:swear:Johnny Rocket's, Too-Jays and now Square One are off my lists of dining options! My choice, and while I still have that choice, I will exercise it!

Great, means a shorter wait time for everyone else.

[perrjojo]

I went there, had a salad, and it was very good. The food was fresh, the portions were large, the restaurant was clean, and the service was excellent. I didn't find it pricey by "northern" standards, but maybe a bit pricey for TV standards. I will definitely be going back there to eat.

I ate inside, and was completely unaware of any dogs or cigarette business going on outside. Nary a bark or whiff of smoke. If I didn't already know it, I would have thought there was no outdoor patio. Here is why: the two areas are quite separate. Why, there is steel and concrete and glass and all kinds of barriers between the two. Kind of like being in your house eating dinner in complete and ignorant bliss while a dog is being walked RIGHT OUTSIDE YOUR DOOR! Horrors! BY a SMOKER! Double Horrors! :jester:

Ah...common sense is refreshing.

[Barefoot]

I haven't been there yet but I will now as a sign of support.

We will also be going as a sign of support.

:swear:Johnny Rocket's, Too-Jays and now Square One are off my lists of dining options!

Great, means a shorter wait time for everyone else.

I betcha Square One picks up more business than it loses.

[simpkinp]

There are plenty of places so everyone can choose their venue. I personally would not particularly like dining with animals, but I can choose to go elsewhere or just do it anyway. I don't think it will bother me. Some people bring dogs to Cody's and it is OK until they start barking.

[ditka41]

No way am I spending money to be unsure of how clean the plates and utensils might be coming out of a kitchen that also handles dog dishes and dog food. How gross! Way too many choices around here without having to tolerate somebody's animals when I go out to eat.

[Patty55]

No way am I spending money to be unsure of how clean the plates and utensils might be coming out of a kitchen that also handles dog dishes and dog food. How gross! Way too many choices around here without having to tolerate somebody's animals when I go out to eat.

Hellooo, the dogs don't eat off real dishes or use forks. Mine are only allowed spoons-duh, they might put their eyes out with forks.

They also don't serve "dog food" they serve people food that the dogs eat.

I wonder how long it will take for a "plate sharer" to order a puppy meal?

[CFrance]

Hellooo, the dogs don't eat off real dishes or use forks. Mine are only allowed spoons-duh, they might put their eyes out with forks.

They also don't serve "dog food" they serve people food that the dogs eat.

I wonder how long it will take for "plate sharer" to order a puppy meal?
...:clap2::clap2::clap2:

[Indydealmaker]

No way am I spending money to be unsure of how clean the plates and utensils might be coming out of a kitchen that also handles dog dishes and dog food. How gross! Way too many choices around here without having to tolerate somebody's animals when I go out to eat.

Do you also avoid dining at friends' homes if they have dogs?

[Wandatime]

No way am I spending money to be unsure of how clean the plates and utensils might be coming out of a kitchen that also handles dog dishes and dog food. How gross! Way too many choices around here without having to tolerate somebody's animals when I go out to eat.

I encourage you to exercise your right to eat somewhere else. That will make the line shorter for me. :coolsmiley:

[gerryann]

No way am I spending money to be unsure of how clean the plates and utensils might be coming out of a kitchen that also handles dog dishes and dog food. How gross! Way too many choices around here without having to tolerate somebody's animals when I go out to eat.

As you have stated before and again now....YES, there are many choices of restaurants.....so why continually discuss how "gross" you think this particular one is? Unless you have someone forcing you to eat somewhere that you don't want to....I don't see the problem....JUST DONT GO THERE!

[Patty55]

Do you also avoid dining at friends' homes if they have dogs?

Money seems to be part of the issue. The OP states they won't spend money to eat with dogs. Assuming their friends aren't charging I guess eating with dogs is okey dokey.

[Cisco Kid]

You guys responding to these dog haters need to give it up.

I googled the dog hater , this is what it said.
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The typical Dog Hater has emotional problems. These folks are psychologically warped, and they will obsessively and aggressively provoke fights and retaliate against other people. They need to be in counselling, on medication, and behind bars. They are a danger to society, and have personality disorders.


This thread has ran hopelessly off course and needs to be closed.

[gerryann]

You guys responding to these dog haters need to give it up.

I googled the dog hater , this is what it said.
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The typical Dog Hater has emotional problems. These folks are psychologically warped, and they will obsessively and aggressively provoke fights and retaliate against other people. They need to be in counselling, on medication, and behind bars. They are a danger to society, and have personality disorders.


This thread has ran hopelessly off course and needs to be closed.

HA!!!

[KeepingItReal]

You guys responding to these dog haters need to give it up.

I googled the dog hater , this is what it said.
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The typical Dog Hater has emotional problems. These folks are psychologically warped, and they will obsessively and aggressively provoke fights and retaliate against other people. They need to be in counselling, on medication, and behind bars. They are a danger to society, and have personality disorders.


This thread has ran hopelessly off course and needs to be closed.




I love horses, pigs, goats, cows, sheep, and most any other animal including dogs but there is a time and a place for everything. Agree it is useless to respond or get involved in these discussions as it goes around in the same old circles with pretty much the same posters.

A healthy affection for a pet is fine but an obsession is an entirely different story. Being joined at the hip with your pet is not a healthy place to be as noted in the article at the link below from Modern Dog Magazine. Obviously some here have gone way beyond obsession and no amount of reasoning will ever change them.

Healthy Affection vs. Obsession | Modern Dog magazine (http://www.moderndogmagazine.com/articles/healthy-affection-vs-obsession/760)

[gerryann]

I love horses, pigs, goats, cows, sheep, and most any other animal including dogs but there is a time and a place for everything. Agree it is useless to respond or get involved in these discussions as it goes around in the same old circles with pretty much the same posters.

A healthy affection for a pet is fine but an obsession is an entirely different story. Being joined at the hip with your pet is not a healthy place to be as noted in the article at the link below from Modern Dog Magazine. Obviously some here have gone way beyond obsession and no amount of reasoning will ever change them.

Healthy Affection vs. Obsession | Modern Dog magazine (http://www.moderndogmagazine.com/articles/healthy-affection-vs-obsession/760)





You should read the article before commenting on it. It is all about the effects on DOGS if one gives them too much attention. It has nothing to do with owners.

I have never seen anyone giving too much attention to their dog....except on television. Spending time with ones dog happens here because we are retired and have spare time.

[44Ruger]

We liked the food, but did not see any dogs.

[Wandatime]

The OP said they went and the food was good but maybe a bit pricey.

The discussion regarding this restaurant has devolved to the point where we are now beating a dead dog. :icon_wink:

[Patty55]

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[gerryann]

The OP said they went and the food was good but maybe a bit pricey.

The discussion regarding this restaurant has devolved to the point where we are now beating a dead dog. :icon_wink:

YIKES!!! No dead dogs please! :shocked:

[KeepingItReal]

You should read the article before commenting on it. It is all about the effects on DOGS if one gives them too much attention. It has nothing to do with owners.

I have never seen anyone giving too much attention to their dog....except on television. Spending time with ones dog happens here because we are retired and have spare time.

As I noted it is useless to get involved in these never ending circles...always someone wanting to contradict anything and everything...per the article it's the owner's behavior that causes and cultivates the dog's problems. Actually it is better for the dogs to leave them alone sometimes like when going out to eat.

As the saying goes, "Treat your dog like a human and he'll treat you like a dog!"


http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/humandog.htm

[RedChariot]

You guys responding to these dog haters need to give it up.

I googled the dog hater , this is what it said.
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The typical Dog Hater has emotional problems. These folks are psychologically warped, and they will obsessively and aggressively provoke fights and retaliate against other people. They need to be in counselling, on medication, and behind bars. They are a danger to society, and have personality disorders.


This thread has ran hopelessly off course and needs to be closed.


You do not sound rationale. You scare me. No one is talking about hating dogs.

[Cisco Kid]

You do not sound rationale. You scare me. No one is talking about hating dogs.

.....


What you feel in your heart about your hate I can't help you with.

[gerryann]

As I noted it is useless to get involved in these never ending circles...always someone wanting to contradict anything and everything...it's the owner's behavior that causes and cultivates the problem. Actually it is better for the dogs to leave them alone sometimes like when going out to eat.

In my case, you are correct. My dog is too hyper to be in a restaurant setting. For many others (like my sons golden) She is a perfect pup when in a restaurant. A lot of dogs don't belong there, but for those that do....what a fun adventure. The type of dogs you may encounter here in TV are in most
cases....docile, very friendly, well groomed, behaved dogs.

Nobody commenting about the dogs has even seen a dog there. ( except the supposed lady with her dog in Toojays) I question this because the story shows up every time a thread about dogs in restaurants pops up.

Us dog lovers are no more contradictory than you dog haters.

[KeepingItReal]

In my case, you are correct. My dog is too hyper to be in a restaurant setting. For many others (like my sons golden) She is a perfect pup when in a restaurant. A lot of dogs don't belong there, but for those that do....what a fun adventure. The type of dogs you may encounter here in TV are in most
cases....docile, very friendly, well groomed, behaved dogs.

Nobody commenting about the dogs has even seen a dog there. ( except the supposed lady with her dog in Toojays) I question this because the story shows up every time a thread about dogs in restaurants pops up.

Us dog lovers are no more contradictory than you dog haters.

Do we really think it is a fun adventure for the dog or is it the owner that has the fun adventure and thinks it was fun for the dog too? Most of the articles seem to say the dog would be happier at home. What does the "In most cases" statement about the dogs here really means what?

Denial is not just a river in Egypt as they say. Once again dog hater being used without any reason. Seems like the so called dog lovers are the ones getting all torn up over this issue because not everyone wants to have their dogs in their face even at restaurants.

Actually there are some good topics in this link if you scroll down to the bottom that would benefit most dog owners, especially those here..

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/humandog.htm

From the link above:

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/feedinginstinctsdogs.htm

[CFrance]

You guys responding to these dog haters need to give it up.

I googled the dog hater , this is what it said.
************************************************** *****

The typical Dog Hater has emotional problems. These folks are psychologically warped, and they will obsessively and aggressively provoke fights and retaliate against other people. They need to be in counselling, on medication, and behind bars. They are a danger to society, and have personality disorders.


This thread has ran hopelessly off course and needs to be closed.

ciscogoogle.com?

[Patty55]

I can't wait to try Square 1, right now it's a little too hot.

I have been at Cody's many times and have never seen a dog acting stupid. I've seen lots of children out of control, I've seen adults who drank too much but I've yet to see anyone mauled by a Maltese.

My dogs loved RJ Gators, they would sit by the railing and look at the water, never a problem.

I would say all the (IMO) control freaks who want to rule other people's lives and run businesses they don't own must be truly blessed that they have nothing more important to worry about.

[CFrance]

Do we really think it is a fun adventure for the dog or is it the owner that has the fun adventure and thinks it was fun for the dog too? Most of the articles seem to say the dog would be happier at home. What does the "In most cases" statement about the dogs here really means what?

Denial is not just a river in Egypt as they say. Once again dog hater being used without any reason. Seems like the so called dog lovers are the ones getting all torn up over this issue because not everyone wants to have their dogs in their face even at restaurants.

Actually there are some good topics in this link if you scroll down to the bottom that would benefit most dog owners, especially those here..

The Human Dog - Treating a Dog like a Human (http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/humandog.htm)

From the link above:

Canine Feeding Instincts - how to feed your dog. (http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/feedinginstinctsdogs.htm)


Did you even read these articles? They have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you should take your dog to a restaurant. It is about training the dog to be obedient to you as its pack leader. Nothing in these articles says don't take your dog to restaurants. And nothing even intimates that your dog is better off at home.

I wish dog bashers would stop pretending they know what my dog wants.

[gerryann]

Do we really think it is a fun adventure for the dog or is it the owner that has the fun adventure? Most of the articles seem to say the dog would be happier at home. In most cases really means what?

Denial is not just a river in Egypt as they say. Once again dog hater being used without any reason. Seems like the so called dog lovers are the ones getting all torn up over this issue because not everyone wants to have their dogs in their face even at restaurants.

You make it sound as though this is a daily/nightly occurrence. When is the last time you saw a dog in a restaurant? I'll bet you never have, have you? I don't think anyone responding here on TOTV are responding because they want THEIR dog to be able to go there.....they are responding because this restaurant has gone to the trouble of following all laws/rules regarding this, but still have people like yourself trying to find reasons why it shouldn't happen...even though you have no personal experience with the situation. Someone is trying to do something good for a particular group here in TV and because you are not in that group, you have to find reasons to contradict it. We only want to applaud the restaurant for thinking of the dog owners and allowing them to do what they now are legally licensed to do. Since it doesn't negatively affect you, why are you so against it? You say not everyone wants a dog in their face? HUH??? Have you had a dog in your face?

[KeepingItReal]

[QUOTE=gerryann;900278]You make it sound as though this is a daily/nightly occurrence. When is the last time you saw a dog in a restaurant? I'll bet you never have, have you?

You would loose that bet. Witnessed a large dog on the sidewalk attack 2 dogs under a table at Johnny Rockets on the other side of the rail. Owners were totally surprised. Happened in a flash.

An old woman had a dog in a bag of some sort slipping it up to the table from the seat at an Italian Restaurant in Brownwood. Once they realized we all 4 had seen them they left in a hurry before the manager could get there. Another couple was immediately seated at the table.

There has to clear boundaries and still there are some that slip them in or get fake service credentials to try and get them in.

As far as following the rules you might note that Square One tried it without a permit first.

Most managers and employees are too scared to handle the problem...

Ridiculous that people who don't want dogs in restaurants are made out to be the bad guys when it is actually those with dogs not following the rules that cause the problems.





As a side note who will ensure this statement by SO CEO is always adhered too:

"We only serve them our people-quality chicken burger, with steamed broccoli, in stainless steel dog bowls. Both are cooked to the same standards of our two-legged guests. There is no ‘cross-contamination’ with people food because there is only high-quality people food in our kitchen."

[KeepingItReal]

Did you even read these articles? They have absolutely nothing to do with whether or not you should take your dog to a restaurant. It is about training the dog to be obedient to you as its pack leader. Nothing in these articles says don't take your dog to restaurants. And nothing even intimates that your dog is better off at home.

I wish dog bashers would stop pretending they know what my dog wants.

The articles all clearly explain why a dog should be treated like a dog and should not be treated like a human. That is the point....missed.

http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/feedinginstinctsdogs.htm

[Patty55]

There has to clear boundaries and still there are some that slip them in or get fake service credentials to try and get them in.



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I think the boundaries are quite clear, so are the options-both yours and mine.

I find it embarassing that out of all of Square 1's locations this is the only one with this problem. Sometimes I feel like I've landed in the Village of StupidVille. (I think it's right up the street from the Village of PretentiousBerg).

How many people were at Johnny Rocket's for the attack? So far we've had several witnesses, what was it a flashmob?

[Patty55]

The articles all clearly explain why a dog should be treated like a dog and should not be treated like a human. That is the point....

Canine Feeding Instincts - how to feed your dog. (http://www.dogbreedinfo.com/articles/feedinginstinctsdogs.htm)



My dog is treated like a dog, MY DOG, not yours, not the six poor hunting dogs I saw crated in the back of a pickup in the blazing sun.

Oh, and once again your link has NOTHING to do with the ongoing conversation.

[KeepingItReal]

Gotta Love The Ignore Button

[CFrance]

[QUOTE=gerryann;900278]You make it sound as though this is a daily/nightly occurrence. When is the last time you saw a dog in a restaurant? I'll bet you never have, have you?

You would loose that bet. Witnessed a large dog on the sidewalk attack 2 dogs under a table at Johnny Rockets on the other side of the rail. Owners were totally surprised. Happened in a flash.

An old woman had a dog in a bag of some sort slipping it up to the table from the seat at an Italian Restaurant in Brownwood. Once they realized we all 4 had seen them they left in a hurry before the manager could get there. Another couple was immediately seated at the table.

There has to clear boundaries and still there are some that slip them in or get fake service credentials to try and get them in.

As far as following the rules you might note that Square One tried it without a permit first.

Most managers and employees are too scared to handle the problem...

Ridiculous that people who don't want dogs in restaurants are made out to be the bad guys when it is actually those with dogs not following the rules that cause the problems.


The dog was on the sidewalk, not in the restaurant. the dogs in the restaurant were not causing the problem. So do you want all people should stay out of a restaurant because some drunk might come along the street and attack them?

And as for your dog articles, they have nothing to do with taking dogs out or not. Not anywhere in those articles does it say to leave your dog at home. That is your own projection. "Treating a dog like a dog and not a human" dealt with teaching them that you are in command and they are a pack. You obviously do not understand dog obedience training or handling..

[Patty55]

Gotta Love The Ignore Button

I think you're incapable of ignoring.

[KeepingItReal]

[quote=KeepingItReal;900288]
The dog was on the sidewalk, not in the restaurant. the dogs in the restaurant were not causing the problem. So do you want all people should stay out of a restaurant because some drunk might come along the street and attack them?

And as for your dog articles, they have nothing to do with taking dogs out or not. Not anywhere in those articles does it say to leave your dog at home. That is your own projection. "Treating a dog like a dog and not a human" dealt with teaching them that you are in command and they are a pack. You obviously do not understand dog obedience training or handling..

They were on the patio.


I clearly knew this was a waste of time and yet...... :highfive:

[CFrance]

[quote=CFrance;900297]

They were on the patio.


I clearly knew this was a waste of time and yet...... :highfive:
The dogs on the patio were not misbehaving. The dog on the street was.

And yes, this was a waste of time, because your point is invalid.

[Patty55]

Getting back to the original topic, do they have expresso? I don't see it on the online menu.

I don't go to Brownwood often, (I get the feeling something there clogs my ethers) do they have Starbucks yet?

[CFrance]

Getting back to the original topic, do they have expresso? I don't see it on the online menu.

I don't go to Brownwood often, (I get the feeling something there clogs my ethers) do they have Starbucks yet?
Good gawd, just re-read the OP. This wasn't even ABOUT dogs! The dog bashers really have a way about them. Bring it up even when it's not the subject of the thread. They should have been admonished at post 27 to stay on topic.

[Barefoot]

. I clearly knew this was a waste of time and yet...... :highfive:

What's your agenda?
Why do you want to control a dog-friendly patio that has received proper approvals?
Why not just reward the other 80+ restaurants with your business that don't allow dogs?
Who are you high-fiving in your post?

[gerryann]

Gotta Love The Ignore Button

When looking at the screen, when typing a post.....look at the dark colored B ......turn it off. It's irritating. We can all read just fine.

[Patty55]

What's your agenda?
Why do you want to control a dog-friendly patio that has received proper approvals?
Why not just reward the other 80+ restaurants with your business that don't allow dogs?
Who are you high-fiving in your post?

They all do it because they are what they are and they do what they do. Some people just are not happy campers.

[perrjojo]

I feel truly blessed that I understand unconditional love. One of the few places you can get it is from a pet...oh, wait! I'm sorry this post is about a restaraunt. Btw , I love Square 1. I have never seen a dog there but if I do I am certain they would love it too.

[Bonny]

:popcorn::popcorn: This thread has gotten very "UN"interesting !! Probably because I am an animal lover. :clap2: