Property Tax Vote

[bamafan]

Wondering how the voting went on the Property Tax issue ?

[Avista]

It passed by 70+%. 60% was required.

[Villages Kahuna]

It passed.

[poromo]

What does it mean to homeowners in TV and when will it take affect?

[nanci2539]

Is this a good thing?

[redwitch]

Nanci, I think it's one of those things that looks good on paper but will ultimately cost the residents of Florida in less public services and repairs. It will lower property taxes, which, in the short term is good. Who knows what will happen over the long run for towns, cities and counties with regard to getting funds for police, fire, public works but my gut feeling is nothing good. I hope I'm wrong.

[mailme]

It won't lower property taxes at all. Sure you get double the exemption but the counties will have to increase the millage rate to recoup the lost tax base. In the long run all property taxes should stay about the same; just changes who pays more or less than before.

What it really does is shift the tax burden. The winners are those that move often (they can take their SOFH savings with them) and businesses since their personal property tax will be reduced. Thus it has the tendancy to reduce taxes on young families and businesses at the expense of the residents especially retirees who stay put. So folks, in about two years you'll be saying: "Hey I thought this was suppose to lower our tax, not raise it!"

[RCT]

Is this a good thing?
In our case it will be good, having lived in Boca Raton 30 years, will be able to take advantage of the portability, taking credits with us, on top of the double the Homestead, will be nice. And, staying under the Save Our homes act, limiting appreciation at no more than 3 percent a year. Hopefully, this won't be the end of what will be done. As in anything, some tweaking will be done, I am sure. As far as the lost revenue for counties, is true they may have a hard adjustment, but, I am sure all of us, in our everyday living, sees examples of waste in our government services, things that would be more economical, even if it is only workers being more productive. We see companies in the public sector having to streamline and cost cut all the time, it's about time our governmental services start doing the same, also.

[BAILY]

What about people moving into the state. They will have to pay higher taxes ?

[RCT]

What about people moving into the state. They will have to pay higher taxes ?
You may be paying higher taxes than a person living right next door to you, yes, if they have lived here and transferred the credits like I mentioned above. the thing is, there were people that were at a point in life to downsize, and preferred to stay in the state, but would sell their place, and be buying something much less expensive, but were paying property taxes at the newer rate, they were actualloy paying more than the previous more expensive house. Alot of people, then, were leaving the state. This is a way to keep that from happening. Something still has to be done, though, about seasonal resident owners. the taxes, I feel, are still a little out of proportion for them, considering the revenue they do bring in while they are here. Like I stated, there will, in the future, be adjustments to this whole thing, and hopefully will be well thought out, and advantageous for the big picture.

[BAILY]

Imho* I feel people alot of people will not want to move into Fl if there to pay more than others. Just like the ones leaving now they won't be comming.

[geobar]

Trying to understand the passing of Property Vote yesterday.
Were not living in TV as of yet. In Feb. will be our 5th trip to again look.
I'm surprised it took all these years to finally raise the Honestead Exemption to $50,000. I lived in S/E Florida back in the early 60,s. Was great when you could buy a house for $19,990 and had a $25,000 exemption. Yesterdays voting that passed will help everyone who owns and is a resident of Florida. Think I had read an additional average savings of perhaps $240.00 per resident owner. Guess time will tell the tale.
See you all in 23 days.

[REDCART]

Villages Kahuna, I know this subject has been discussed earlier on TOTV but I expected you to be more specific now that it's passed. How will this change affect people in TV who maybe haven't been long-term Florida residents but are moving to TV for the first time from another state?

George

[MikeH]

For those in Sumter County where the tax rate is $5 and change----round it to $6---the additional tax savings is $150 at most. Guess Sumter County residents are less than "Average". Builders and real estate companies are celebrating as it will help them sell more homes. More people in TV have moved from elsewhere in FL than from any other state----portability rules!

[Skip]

For those in Sumter County where the tax rate is $5 and change----round it to $6---the additional tax savings is $150 at most. Guess Sumter County residents are less than "Average". Builders and real estate companies are celebrating as it will help them sell more homes. More people in TV have moved from elsewhere in FL than from any other state----portability rules!


When people from outside the state look to buy a house and see the total RE tax on a property is, let's say, $1234 per year but when the house is sold to them, they discover that the cap and the exemption(s) come off and the new tax is $2345. Boy, are they surprised! And you know the Property of the Villages don't tell you that on resales.

In Marion County the Amendment 1 savings will be exactly $179.15 per year and in Sumter County it will be exactly $151.40 per year. Pretty big deal, heh?


Skip

[gfmucci]

This is great for people moving to the Villages from other parts of Florida...

* If they move from a more expensive house to a less expensive house, the "save our homes" tax cap will be carried over to the new house. The resulting tax rate for the new house will be in the same proportion as the old house. If the old house was market valued at $300,000 and the assessed value was $150,000, and the market value (purchase price) of the new house is $200,000, the assessed value for tax purposes will only be $100,000 (50% of the market value).
* Since The Villages is operated and maintained through CDD fees, which are not included in the Amendment One provisions, TV properties will continue to have the same level of service and are not impacted. Sumter County will have to tighten its belt. They will implement a combination of efficiency measures, reduce or delay some lower priority services or capital improvements, and seek other revenue sources.

[pili]

Skip,
Why are you saying people moving to TV or any part in Florida for that matter will be surprised that their taxes are higher since cap and homestead will not there? I thought as long as you established residence the homestead excemption was available.

Pili

[Muncle]

Pili, look at it this way (and I'm going to make these number up -- no reality intended). You look at a resale home priced at $350,000. You see that the owners last year property taxes were $1234.00. :2cool: You do not know that the Save Our Homes (SOH) rule, with or without portability, has capped the assessed value of that home at $150,000 minus $50K in homestead. You buy and the new assessed value is $350K less the $50K. :yikes: Your taxes are triple the previous owner's, and likely that of a lot of your neighbors. :yikes: Oh, and the same day you buy, a guy from Miami buys an identical house across the street. He has massive SOH credit built up, so your taxes dwarf his as well. :yikes:

Everyone (fulltime residents) get the homestead exemption but SOH takes time to affect the taxes.

[Skip]

Skip,
Why are you saying people moving to TV or any part in Florida for that matter will be surprised that their taxes are higher since cap and homestead will not there? I thought as long as you established residence the homestead excemption was available.
Pili


Homestead gets removed for the first year and Homestead is not the only exemption there is in this state. Buying, you don't see the cap on the tax bill. All you see is taxable value and the mill rate. Most outsiders think they will pay the same tax.

Ask members of TOTV who have bought a 3-5 year old resale coming from out of state - where they surprised when they got the new tax bill? Bet you they all were.

Skip

[Skip]

Muncie: Good explanation and BTW you don't have to be "full time" to get the homestead. Just got to declare Florida as your "home state". You can live in as many places (in the world) that you want. But you can only declare one place your residency.

RVers do it all the time declaring Texas as their residency but never owning property there or even setting foot in the big old state.

Skip

[pili]

Thank you guys. So I guess it makes not difference whether I buy new or resale since I'll be taxed on present value of home. Furthermore, if we are looking at resales and owner/realtor says taxes are $5,000 (last year) it could very well be $7 or 8 since it will depend on how home is assessed.