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shcisamax
05-29-2014, 09:05 AM
Some people are just unhappy people who can't stand for others to be having a good time.
Last night I was attending a celebration party with ...25-30 people and a lone woman singing with her back up machine and a tamborine. The party started at 6:30 p.m. and the singer began at 7:00 p.m. By 7:40 p.m., Community watch arrived saying there was a noise complaint. Are you kidding me? It was 7:30 pm. This wasn't a rock 'n roll band, it was a lone singer and 30 people clapping and mingling. The singer turned down her back up music and as everyone was leaving around 8:45 p.m. the community watch arrived again saying if they were called again, the police would be called. I say bring them on. How absurd.
I guess some people can't bear others having a wonderful time.

DonH57
05-29-2014, 09:15 AM
Really. Seriously was this at a home or venue? Quite frankly there are some miserable sorts here in the villages too. I had someone tell me the other day there are some people who have the need and desire to complain about everything.

gomoho
05-29-2014, 09:16 AM
Once again - Florida's Friendliest Hometown!!! I would have come over and asked if I could join the party.

Gat0r
05-29-2014, 09:28 AM
I thought it was 10 pm quite time.Yeah they just like to _____.

theorem painter
05-29-2014, 09:38 AM
Some people are just angry at the world and all you can do is be thankful that you aren't one of them. I think that Community Watch might have over reacted a little by threatening to call the police. What is next - noise complaints over televisions on kissing lanais? Life is just too short to waste energy over these kinds of things.

chachacha
05-29-2014, 09:42 AM
over the six years i have been here we have lost many good times due to complaints about noise early in the evening...the people across the lake from both havana country club and rjgators complained and the music ended....i will say in both these cases it would have been easy to turn down the volume quite a bit....then the music went to red sauce and we had dancing in the street and a wonderful time until there were complaints about having to drive around the block to get past us....yes, even in the villages there are those who make life less enjoyable.

CFrance
05-29-2014, 09:46 AM
Puppy and i went out for his last pee last night around 9:45. There was a party going on in the villals behind us. It sounded like lots of fun and made me smile.

OBXNana
05-29-2014, 09:49 AM
What we've done in the past, and worked, we invite the neighbors. In the invite we tell them we hope they can attend, and if not, to please let us know if the noise is annoying. What we find as an acceptable level of noise, may be too much for the neighbor. By inviting and warning, we feel we've opened the door for discussion rather than a bitter dispute.

We don't know what was going on in the lives of the person that reported the party. Had they known ahead of time there may be extra cars or noise, they may have been able to adjust their plans and leave for the evening.

rp001
05-29-2014, 09:52 AM
At this time in our lives there is so much more than music to worry about. I just don't get it but by some of my observations here and elsewhere in the villages, I am not surprised. Can't we all just get along? We have a magnificent venue to enjoy. That also applies to folks with varying opinions. That's what makes the world go around.

CFrance
05-29-2014, 10:02 AM
When you're living on one-tenth of an acre and the houses all around you are 20 feet away, what do you expect? Reminds me of people who moved to our grassy, dune-y sprawling condo complex at Lake MI and then complained if someone walked on "their" grass.

Don't come to a place like this if you expect total privacy and quiet. If the person who complained had "special circumstances" going on, they could have come over and talked to the homeowners before calling CW.

Rollie
05-29-2014, 10:12 AM
Sorry but I have to disagree. 30 to 35 people at a house is a lot. Where were all these cars or golf carts parked. Unless this was a block party, I feel it should have been taken someplace else.

Rollie

DonH57
05-29-2014, 10:15 AM
When you're living on one-tenth of an acre and the houses all around you are 20 feet away, what do you expect? Reminds me of people who moved to our grassy, dune-y sprawling condo complex at Lake MI and then complained if someone walked on "their" grass.

Don't come to a place like this if you expect total privacy and quiet. If the person who complained had "special circumstances" going on, they could have come over and talked to the homeowners before calling CW.

Exactly what they should have done as good neighbors. Come over and talked about it. Would'nt have hurt a thing.

dewilson58
05-29-2014, 10:21 AM
Difficult situation.

Two sides to every story.

2BNTV
05-29-2014, 10:32 AM
People are as happy as they make up their minds to be. A. Lincoln

Some people jst like to perpetuate the idea of being older, and crabby!

If a party was a one shot deal, then it should be overlooked. If a party is given every week, that's another another story. I thought noise could not be complained about to the police, unless it was after 10 PM. 7:30 PM!!! Sheeeeseeeeee!!!!

Some people don't think anything of being rude and obnoxious to other people.
1. Saving seats in the squares, for invisible people.
2. "This is my spot"' people, before starting an aerobics class!!!
3. Yelling at people in the pools. "They got their first", so get out of the pool.
4. The "this is mine and you can't have it", type people. Acting like three year olds, fighting over a toy!!!
5. Those who feel a sense of entitlement, because they have reached the senior citizen age. Almost all of us, are senior citizens.

"Shame, Shame, Shame, On You"!!!

Life is too short, to be too little".

ilovetv
05-29-2014, 11:03 AM
If the party music had been playing/singing after 9 or 10 p.m., it would be understandable (sort of).

When I see parties like this, I thank God for the hosts and attendees that they're not sitting in the nursing home or hospital, watching their spouse die slowly or going from super-intelligent to being the village idiot who's unsafe at home.

There were probably some invitees who could not go because they have to babysit their spouse having an awful disease, or adult disabled child.

Let the people have fun, as long as it's not a weekly or nightly disruption.

skyguy79
05-29-2014, 11:09 AM
Puppy and i went out for his last pee last night around 9:45. I hope your puppy doesn't make too much noise when it pees! :duck:

Erijo
05-29-2014, 11:11 AM
Invite the neighborhood, no complaints that way and you "make new friends".

rp001
05-29-2014, 11:17 AM
When you're living on one-tenth of an acre and the houses all around you are 20 feet away, what do you expect? Reminds me of people who moved to our grassy, dune-y sprawling condo complex at Lake MI and then complained if someone walked on "their" grass.

Don't come to a place like this if you expect total privacy and quiet. If the person who complained had "special circumstances" going on, they could have come over and talked to the homeowners before calling CW.

When I was looking at home here the villages sales rep was very quick to tell me this place is not for everyone. It is comprised of folks that are mostly friendly and very active, enjoying life. If a person did not feel comfortable with that they ought to consider an adjacent retirement community.

The second night of my initial visit I was at Spanish Springs, in awe of the happiness and activity around me. I struck up a conversation with a visiting couple. I mentioned to them I was witnessing a really elderly lady doing her very best attempt at dancing. The man told me the difference between her and others was " she didn't know she was old". It's all about attitude and adjustment to this lifestyle, which really is not for everyone. Those of us that love it here are by and large very active. At least till 9:00 pm, lol.

ilovetv
05-29-2014, 11:24 AM
When I was looking at home here the villages sales rep was very quick to tell me this place is not for everyone. It is comprised of folks that are mostly friendly and very active, enjoying life. If a person did not feel comfortable with that they ought to consider an adjacent retirement community.

The second night of my initial visit I was at Spanish Springs, in awe of the happiness and activity around me. I struck up a conversation with a visiting couple. I mentioned to them I was witnessing a really elderly lady doing her very best attempt at dancing. The man told me the difference between her and others was " she didn't know she was old". It's all about attitude and adjustment to this lifestyle, which really is not for everyone. Those of us that love it here are by and large very active. At least till 9:00 pm, lol.

THAT is why we chose TV at age 50!!!!

Life is for the LIVING!

njbchbum
05-29-2014, 11:28 AM
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There were probably some invitees who could not go because they have to babysit their spouse having an awful disease, or adult disabled child.
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And perhaps the neighbor who called CW was dealing with that exact situation for self or other.

Billyworld
05-29-2014, 11:43 AM
As I said before, "America's Friendliest Hometown"? If that ain't a joke. That's why I'm building a custom built house on 2 1/2 acres in Volusia County and moving back to where I moved from. After living in Volusia County for 23 years and moving to TV last August I am just stunned at all the old miserable people from all them New (old) States up North. You folks ain't seen nothing yet. Wait for the final build out. As for music, I had bands playing in my shop behind my house during Bike Week for years with over 200 people and the cops never came. As far as I'm concerned, The Villages Sucks!

ilovetv
05-29-2014, 11:48 AM
As I said before, "America's Friendliest Hometown"? If that ain't a joke. That's why I'm building a custom built house on 2 1/2 acres in Volusia County and moving back to where I moved from. After living in Volusia County for 23 years and moving to TV last August I am just stunned at all the old miserable people from all them New (old) States up North. You folks ain't seen nothing yet. Wait for the final build out. As for music, I had bands playing in my shop behind my house during Bike Week for years with over 200 people and the cops never came. As far as I'm concerned, The Villages Sucks!

If one prefers acreage for their house, The Villages is not the place to buy into.

Bonnevie
05-29-2014, 11:50 AM
since everything pretty much closes up at 9pm around here, I would figure party noise til then wouldn't be an issue.

red tail
05-29-2014, 11:53 AM
as i said before, "america's friendliest hometown"? If that ain't a joke. That's why i'm building a custom built house on 2 1/2 acres in volusia county and moving back to where i moved from. After living in volusia county for 23 years and moving to tv last august i am just stunned at all the old miserable people from all them new (old) states up north. You folks ain't seen nothing yet. Wait for the final build out. As for music, i had bands playing in my shop behind my house during bike week for years with over 200 people and the cops never came. As far as i'm concerned, the villages sucks!

bye bye........

Cisco Kid
05-29-2014, 12:01 PM
As I said before, "America's Friendliest Hometown"? If that ain't a joke. That's why I'm building a custom built house on 2 1/2 acres in Volusia County and moving back to where I moved from. After living in Volusia County for 23 years and moving to TV last August I am just stunned at all the old miserable people from all them New (old) States up North. You folks ain't seen nothing yet. Wait for the final build out. As for music, I had bands playing in my shop behind my house during Bike Week for years with over 200 people and the cops never came. As far as I'm concerned, The Villages Sucks!

:a20:

MikeV
05-29-2014, 12:02 PM
Jeesh

shcisamax
05-29-2014, 12:59 PM
I think I should answer a few questions or comments:


1. Half the people attending walked so there were possibly 4 cars and 5 golf carts some of which were in the person's driveway.

2. The celebration was one of a personal nature and the people who threw the party (not I) wanted their friends to join in their happiness. I find it rather bizarre of the earlier writer to suggest the way to avoid the issue is to invite everyone in the neighborhood although neighbors on either side of them were invited...because they ARE "friends". But inviting all of a Village would have only made MORE "noise". And no one should be forced to invite everyone to keep the peace.

3. The Community Watch man was VERY nice and said he was letting the owners know if he was called again, he would be forced to call the police. He was actually embarrassed to be coming by. And he mentioned that it is usually someone who is "unhappy" they didn't get invited.

4. If someone is caring for a sick spouse or has a difficult situation on their hands, I am sorry. We all go through these awful situations at some point. But why not let others be happy while they are not in that situation. Eventually they will be.

4. I reiterate: It was 7:30 at night! In fact, the entire party was over at 9 p.m. because the people who threw the party didn't want to be offensive to the neighborhood.

rubicon
05-29-2014, 01:01 PM
As I said before, "America's Friendliest Hometown"? If that ain't a joke. That's why I'm building a custom built house on 2 1/2 acres in Volusia County and moving back to where I moved from. After living in Volusia County for 23 years and moving to TV last August I am just stunned at all the old miserable people from all them New (old) States up North. You folks ain't seen nothing yet. Wait for the final build out. As for music, I had bands playing in my shop behind my house during Bike Week for years with over 200 people and the cops never came. As far as I'm concerned, The Villages Sucks!

Billy: I am sorry that TV did not work well for you. Best of luck with your new venture in Volusia County.

As to a real estate agent told me TV isn't for everyone you need to be friendly enjoy life..................Well depends on your definition and your circumstances of the preceding. It also seems to me that a house party with 30-35 people , music etc may be a hoot for those attending but very distracting for others , especially if they are not feeling well....

Before I could address the OP's comments I wish I could have the version of the person(s) who complained

As is often the case on TOTV this discussion seems to be all one sided

Finally it may be that Community Watch's action give us a clue to the other side especially since they threatened this party with a visit to the police. I say this because like the ambassadors on golf courses Community Watch employees are cautioned to restrain themselves.

jblum315
05-29-2014, 01:09 PM
As I said before, "America's Friendliest Hometown"? If that ain't a joke. That's why I'm building a custom built house on 2 1/2 acres in Volusia County and moving back to where I moved from. After living in Volusia County for 23 years and moving to TV last August I am just stunned at all the old miserable people from all them New (old) States up North. You folks ain't seen nothing yet. Wait for the final build out. As for music, I had bands playing in my shop behind my house during Bike Week for years with over 200 people and the cops never came. As far as I'm concerned, The Villages Sucks!

Bye-bye. Don't let the door hit your butt on the way out!

DougB
05-29-2014, 01:31 PM
Anybody going to miss Billy???

OBXNana
05-29-2014, 01:33 PM
Our personal rule of thumb is over 30 guests and live music, we get a venue. Inside, we can entertain more without creating problems for our neighbors. We love to entertain and have fun, but not at the expense of other people.

As another poster said, this is a one sided discussion and difficult to fully understand unless we know the other side of the situation.

EnglishJW
05-29-2014, 01:43 PM
Our personal rule of thumb is over 30 guests and live music, we get a venue.

Probably a good idea ...

karostay
05-29-2014, 02:02 PM
Some people are just unhappy people who can't stand for others to be having a good time.
Last night I was attending a celebration party with ...25-30 people and a lone woman singing with her back up machine and a tamborine. The party started at 6:30 p.m. and the singer began at 7:00 p.m. By 7:40 p.m., Community watch arrived saying there was a noise complaint. Are you kidding me? It was 7:30 pm. This wasn't a rock 'n roll band, it was a lone singer and 30 people clapping and mingling. The singer turned down her back up music and as everyone was leaving around 8:45 p.m. the community watch arrived again saying if they were called again, the police would be called. I say bring them on. How absurd.
I guess some people can't bear others having a wonderful time.
And the eat at Bonifay also and complain about the flies:rant-rave:

Cisco Kid
05-29-2014, 02:07 PM
Anybody going to miss Billy???

I bet his new neighbors will soon like to.

kstew43
05-29-2014, 02:21 PM
sometimes when you don't get invited you get angry......I do.....

shcisamax
05-29-2014, 03:11 PM
I actually did a count since it seems to be a serious sticking point for some. 26 people including the hosts.

It doesn't really matter though.

My point, however, is some people just can't be happy for others if they aren't part of it.

DougB
05-29-2014, 03:25 PM
I can't understand anyone complaining. Well, unless maybe if you were singing Barry Manilow songs.

shcisamax
05-29-2014, 03:30 PM
I can't understand anyone complaining. Well, unless maybe if you were singing Barry Manilow songs.

Well, yeah. I would have called Community Watch myself.

The Great Fumar
05-29-2014, 03:48 PM
Well, yeah. I would have called Community Watch myself.

CAREFULL, I think Barry now works for Community Watch !!!:wave:
I've heard he collects statues.......

justjim
05-29-2014, 04:22 PM
OP, since this was not your home, I assume that your host/hostess knows who is complaining about the party noise.

We had a couple parties in the 15-20 person range (birthdays) we alerted our neighbors regarding the party and invited the neighbors on both sides and directly in back of our home. We were specific that the party noise would end at 10pm.

We sold this home to a couple who was moving because the neighbor in back of them "partied two or three times a week" and they couldn't take the hassle with the neighbor anymore. That was what they told us. I said that to say this, not everybody like the noise of a party twice a week.

Bottom line, if you are having a large party in your home, work things out with your neighbors prior to the party. If there are objections, take the noisy party elsewhere.

Indydealmaker
05-29-2014, 04:41 PM
As I said before, "America's Friendliest Hometown"? If that ain't a joke. That's why I'm building a custom built house on 2 1/2 acres in Volusia County and moving back to where I moved from. After living in Volusia County for 23 years and moving to TV last August I am just stunned at all the old miserable people from all them New (old) States up North. You folks ain't seen nothing yet. Wait for the final build out. As for music, I had bands playing in my shop behind my house during Bike Week for years with over 200 people and the cops never came. As far as I'm concerned, The Villages Sucks!

Billyworld, After reading all of your posts, it is easy to see that you were never happy here. The mystery is what were you seeking when you first came to TV?

Tennisnut
05-29-2014, 04:56 PM
As I said before, "America's Friendliest Hometown"? If that ain't a joke. That's why I'm building a custom built house on 2 1/2 acres in Volusia County and moving back to where I moved from. After living in Volusia County for 23 years and moving to TV last August I am just stunned at all the old miserable people from all them New (old) States up North. You folks ain't seen nothing yet. Wait for the final build out. As for music, I had bands playing in my shop behind my house during Bike Week for years with over 200 people and the cops never came. As far as I'm concerned, The Villages Sucks!

Sounds like the best thing for Billy and The Villages. Wish the good people of Volusia County good luck with their new neighbor!:wave::wave:

shcisamax
05-29-2014, 05:01 PM
OP, since this was not your home, I assume that your host/hostess knows who is complaining about the party noise.



They have no idea. They were very surprised but, to accommodate, told the singer to turn everything down which apparently didn't mollify the offended person.

justjim
05-29-2014, 05:14 PM
I think I should answer a few questions or comments:


1. Half the people attending walked so there were possibly 4 cars and 5 golf carts some of which were in the person's driveway.

2. The celebration was one of a personal nature and the people who threw the party (not I) wanted their friends to join in their happiness. I find it rather bizarre of the earlier writer to suggest the way to avoid the issue is to invite everyone in the neighborhood although neighbors on either side of them were invited...because they ARE "friends". But inviting all of a Village would have only made MORE "noise". And no one should be forced to invite everyone to keep the peace.

3. The Community Watch man was VERY nice and said he was letting the owners know if he was called again, he would be forced to call the police. He was actually embarrassed to be coming by. And he mentioned that it is usually someone who is "unhappy" they didn't get invited.

4. If someone is caring for a sick spouse or has a difficult situation on their hands, I am sorry. We all go through these awful situations at some point. But why not let others be happy while they are not in that situation. Eventually they will be.

4. I reiterate: It was 7:30 at night! In fact, the entire party was over at 9 p.m. because the people who threw the party didn't want to be offensive to the neighborhood.

Thanks for more details as this explains a lot.

SantaClaus
05-29-2014, 05:59 PM
One thing I learned from this thread: if you're looking for the happening spot find out where chachacha is going!

CFrance
05-29-2014, 06:23 PM
Well, yeah. I would have called Community Watch myself.
:1rotfl::1rotfl:

chachacha
05-29-2014, 06:46 PM
One thing I learned from this thread: if you're looking for the happening spot find out where chachacha is going!

thanks Santa, but most of you would be amused to know that at the moment it is about quarter to eight pm and the happening spot for me is my bed with my laptop on my lap enjoying TOTV! can't party EVERY night :) BUT tomorrow night Rocky and the Rollers are at Katie Belle's!

rn1tv
05-29-2014, 06:49 PM
rp001, my realtor told me the same thing and I totally agree...The Villages is for some but not everyone. Fortunately, it is for us! People who complain at 7:30pm should reconsider their retirement plans...having fun and enjoying people is what keeps us "young" and keeps us going!

Baileysmom
05-29-2014, 07:12 PM
Anybody going to miss Billy???

Billy who??

uprivergirl
05-29-2014, 07:19 PM
Well we can't wait to be Villagers and join in all the fun.

Villageshooter
05-29-2014, 07:59 PM
community watch is just what they say they are here to watch they cannot do anything,, i had one of them tell me the same exact thing about my radio playing in my garage as i puttered around inthe garage, at 6pm i promptly told him "GET OFF MY PROPERTY NOW! and call the police if he wanted too! " i knew they would not come and my radio was fine! that is what the folks should have done at this party, CW is just another bunch of barney fifes,, they have zero power an are just lap dogs that drive around, they are nothing more than a nosey neighbor in a white pick up truck! they try to bully there way thru, however when push comes to shove, they are gutless they have zero authority.

Indydealmaker
05-29-2014, 08:05 PM
community watch is just what they say they are here to watch they cannot do anything,, i had one of them tell me the same exact thing about my radio playing in my garage as i puttered around inthe garage, at 6pm i promptly told him "GET OFF MY PROPERTY NOW! and call the police if he wanted too! " i knew they would not come and my radio was fine! that is what the folks should have done at this party, CW is just another bunch of barney fifes,, they have zero power an are just lap dogs that drive around, they are nothing more than a nosey neighbor in a white pick up truck! they try to bully there way thru, however when push comes to shove, they are gutless they have zero authority.

Community Watch is just doing their job by responding to a complaint by a resident. They CANNOT BY LAW enforce anything. A CDD cannot have anything resembling a police force.

Villageshooter
05-29-2014, 08:10 PM
gotta take the bad with the all the good we have here in Gods waiting room

Indydealmaker
05-29-2014, 08:25 PM
OFF TOPIC POST,, U CANT ADDRESS ANOTHER POSTER, WHY CHASTISE A PERSON FOR THERE OPINIONS. THIS SOULD BE DONE VIA PM IF IT IS A BURNING QUESTION IN YOUR BRAIN! why u feel for some reason u have the right to ask this person , once again militaristic inter circle clique attempts run some one off! that dare disagree with these self appointed demigods!

The topic of this thread IS about being unhappy in The Villages. Tell me exactly how I chastised Billy. However, your post does exactly what you have accused me of.

You are just upset because I commented on your confrontational post about community watch (which comment, by the way, WAS off topic).

Cisco Kid
05-29-2014, 08:31 PM
Don't make me come down there an take you boys to the wood shed.

jrandall
05-29-2014, 09:36 PM
I agree some people are grumpy and miserable. Our house is so well insulated I can't hear neighbor's parties and music until I go outside. In Miami the noise complaints would only be responded to by police if it was after 11pm. I still pinch myself daily because I am living in such a wonderful community. My neighbors are awesome and I can happily say that I haven't encountered many grumps. I keep smiling and thanking the good Lord for my blessings. 😊

2BNTV
05-29-2014, 11:06 PM
I agree some people are grumpy and miserable. Our house is so well insulated I can't hear neighbor's parties and music until I go outside. In Miami the noise complaints would only be responded to by police if it was after 11pm. I still pinch myself daily because I am living in such a wonderful community. My neighbors are awesome and I can happily say that I haven't encountered many grumps. I keep smiling and thanking the good Lord for my blessings. ��

AMEN!!!!

Well said. :BigApplause:

Neal2tire
05-30-2014, 12:54 AM
Take care Billy. Your point is proven.
Don't let the door "hit you in the...."
Nice thing to say to someone.

asianthree
05-30-2014, 02:48 AM
There is going to be an unhappy person somewhere that doesn't like your party, or your dog or your music..it matters not where you live

Bizdoc
05-30-2014, 05:45 AM
Some folks come here to live and enjoy life and some come to die and make everyone else miserable in the process.

travelguy
05-30-2014, 06:59 AM
a sunday morning a few weks back we were awakened by lawn mowing, weed whacking, and a gas powered blower......it was 6 am! when we called to inquire about noise restricitions we were told that lawn services were permitted to operate from sun-up to sun-down, 7 days a week. really! glad that they were not using a tambourine that early in the morning.

2BNTV
05-30-2014, 09:13 AM
A very wise person once said to me.

"When people have internal problems, no matter where they go, they take their problems with them".

Indydealmaker
05-30-2014, 09:27 AM
A very wise person once said to me.

"When people have internal problems, no matter where they go, they take their problems with them".

Would that be...Social Gastritis?
42521

CFrance
05-30-2014, 09:45 AM
Would that be...Social Gastritis?
42521
No, I think it's called Irritable Bowel Syndrome.

shcisamax
05-30-2014, 09:48 AM
would that be...social gastritis?
42521


yes!!!!

yabbadu
05-30-2014, 09:53 AM
Some people are just unhappy people who can't stand for others to be having a good time.
Last night I was attending a celebration party with ...25-30 people and a lone woman singing with her back up machine and a tamborine. The party started at 6:30 p.m. and the singer began at 7:00 p.m. By 7:40 p.m., Community watch arrived saying there was a noise complaint. Are you kidding me? It was 7:30 pm. This wasn't a rock 'n roll band, it was a lone singer and 30 people clapping and mingling. The singer turned down her back up music and as everyone was leaving around 8:45 p.m. the community watch arrived again saying if they were called again, the police would be called. I say bring them on. How absurd.
I guess some people can't bear others having a wonderful time.

Just an Observation:

I know some people are Fuddy's and some people are Duddy's and if you combine the two you know what you get!
The people like this would have called on you if it was Noon or 3PM in the afternoon. They live all over but its seems it could be a little more predominant here because of the demographics, Actually it may be more so for all of Florida.
Hard to ever tell if these non fun complainers were like this all of their life or the lives they led made them like this.
I plan to enjoy this last portion of my life and I am sure you will not lets this situation stop you. The Villages enriches my final days!

God Bless and Party On!