Items For Sale = Classified Section

[TOTV Team]

Hello All -

TOTV is the largest and fastest growing website in The Villages! The items for sale section has had a large participation and now it is time for an upgrade. We are in the process of rolling out a new and improve classified/items for sale section. You will now see that all new items for sale will be in a segregated area of the site. We will also work to roll out an 'opt in' for the forum notices that appear in the 'new posts'. We believe this new program will offer many more benefits to all the users of this section. There will be larger pictures, a best offer and buy it now feature, seller ratings, and much much more. At the same time we will be able to accommodate those who did not care to see all the new posts with items for sale but the ones who do prefer this can opt in.

As with anything new, there will be a few bugs to work through and we ask for your patience in this process.

The existing items for sale will remain there. After they have been listed for 45 days they will be removed as all new items are entered into the new program.

Please feel free to contact us with any issues or feedback you may have as you use this new product. As always we appreciate your continued support!

Best Regards,

TOTV Team

[Mudder]

Sounds like a great idea. Sure it will be appreciated by all. Thanks

[CFrance]

A great idea!

[ladylake1]

Excellent!!!!!!!

[DougB]

I hope you develop the "opt in" quickly. Some of us like the items for sale to appear with the new posts. Me for one!

[dewilson58]

I hope you develop the "opt in" quickly. Some of us like the items for sale to appear with the new posts. Me for one!

Ditto

[folkh]

Thank you looking out on everyone's behalf.

[blueash]

Thank you Administrator

[Cisco Kid]

:bigbow:

[Carla B]

A thousand times Thank You!

[ilovetv]

Thank you!

[njbchbum]

I hope you develop the "opt in" quickly. Some of us like the items for sale to appear with the new posts. Me for one!

Me for another! Soon please! And if anyone who 'opts in' and then complains about anything there - please feel free to opt them o-u-t!

[TOTV Team]

You should be seeing the NEW Classified in the new post. Every time an item is listed in that section a post will automatically generate. Once the bugs are worked out and it is running smoothly we will add the 'opt in' / 'opt out' option for users as to whether they want to see the items for sale in their 'new posts'.

Thanks!

[DougB]

You should be seeing the NEW Classified in the new post. Every time an item is listed in that section a post will automatically generate. Once the bugs are worked out and it is running smoothly we will add the 'opt in' / 'opt out' option for users as to whether they want to see the items for sale in their 'new posts'.

Thanks!

Thank you!

[MikeV]

Finally. Thank you so much.

[Barefoot]

Thanks so much!
It's wonderful that you were able to streamline the process to make everyone happy.
A great free website just got even better!

[Bonanza]

A great advancement and a very welcomed one!

[patty24]

Great idea!!!!!!!

[TOTV Team]

7% commission charged and PayPal charges????

We are not sure what you are referring to? If you want to be paid via paypal you can or just get cash when you meet in person. If you are experiencing something different please let us know. The PayPal is a new feature where you can be paid via that method as a convenience.

[obxgal]

When you read Panjo Marketplace terms here Terms (http://www.panjo.com/terms) this whole thing gets kinda scary.

#3. Panjo may charge fees for listing an item for sale, as well as a percentage of the sale price when the item sells.

Does this mean the items now posted may be charged a listing fee??

[TOTV Team]

There are no listing fees or selling fees. It is free as always to buy and sell your items.

[TOTV Team]

No fees for listing or selling your items. It is free as it always has been. If you choose to use paypal as a convenience then the fees are whatever their normal fees would be for their service. You can get paid however you have been and however you prefer.

[TOTV Team]

There are no selling fees.

[Ruthtomnorma3]

Thank you....the pictures are great...very professional ....

[TOTV Team]

This is from Panjo regarding the Terms of Service:

Panjo charges fees to sellers who create listings at Panjo.com and the Panjo iOS app. There are no Panjo fees for TalkOfTheVillages sellers.

[obxgal]

Thanks for the clarification and the new website.

[Floridagal]

A great idea. Thanks for thinking of this. It will be helpful to all.

[TwoVillagers2]

Appears that with your partnership with Panjo that selling items through TOTV will now cost the seller 7% plus PayPal fees, if that option is used. List for free but pay to sell.

[ronduh]

there are 2 stories here, this needs to be cleared up! If the admins of this board are receiving revenue on the backs of sellers they need to come clean! It is not a sin to make money, however it is a sin to decive some one to make that money using dishonest methods. Ok admins, manup what are ALL the facts here. Your credibility is at stake on this issue.

[CFrance]

I think they already cleared it up! Read posts 27 and 30. What more do you need to know?

[Barefoot]

Appears that with your partnership with Panjo that selling items through TOTV will now cost the seller 7% plus PayPal fees, if that option is used. List for free but pay to sell.

there are 2 stories here, this needs to be cleared up! If the admins of this board are receiving revenue on the backs of sellers they need to come clean! It is not a sin to make money, however it is a sin to decive some one to make that money using dishonest methods. Ok admins, manup what are ALL the facts here. Your credibility is at stake on this issue.

Please give the Admins the respect they deserve.
Both of you need to read all posts on a thread before you comment!
The Admins have answered your questions in previous posts.

[mickey100]

There are no Panjo fees to TOTV sellers. The only fees will be paypal fees if a seller chooses to go that route.

[rdhdleo]

I hope you develop the "opt in" quickly. Some of us like the items for sale to appear with the new posts. Me for one!

:agree: !!!!!! Sad to see the change :(

[graciegirl]

there are 2 stories here, this needs to be cleared up! If the admins of this board are receiving revenue on the backs of sellers they need to come clean! It is not a sin to make money, however it is a sin to decive some one to make that money using dishonest methods. Ok admins, manup what are ALL the facts here. Your credibility is at stake on this issue.
Just read Who or what is Panjo. Seems like a new way to do things with all the old rules.

[asianthree]

:popcorn: looks like one stop shopping for the new site, but change does not come easy for some

[ronduh]

just beware when u link ur paypal account to a site u are opening a whole new can of worms. I am unable to list anything without giving my paypal log in. I just dont want to open my bank account up for a site that is relatively new. It is not out of disrespect, or mistrust I welcome change for the betterment however this will be one I will set on the sidelines with.

[TOTV Team]

1) Panjo does NOT charge TOTV users for listing OR selling.

2) Panjo does NOT charges TOTV user for listing OR selling.

3) Panjo does NOT charge TOTV users for listing OR selling.

IF YOU USE THE PANJO APP OR GO TO PANJO.COM YOU WILL BE CHARGED BY THEM FOR USING THEIR PRODUCTS.

You CAN list your items for sale here WITHOUT a PayPal account or listing your PayPal account. If that is not what you are experiencing please let us know so we can investigate further.

If you don't want to take our word for it then contact Panjo directly to verify. We have written communication between them and us that TOTV users are not charged for listing or selling as this is a collaboration we have created with them for the benefit of TOTV users.

TOTV MAKES $0 FROM YOUR LISTING OR SELLING. WE HAVE INVESTED $$$$ TO INTEGRATE AND NEGOTIATE THIS NEW PRODUCT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF TOTV USERS THOUGH.

[JMEZARIC3]

1) Panjo does NOT charge TOTV users for listing OR selling.

2) Panjo does NOT charges TOTV user for listing OR selling.

3) Panjo does NOT charge TOTV users for listing OR selling.

IF YOU USE THE PANJO APP OR GO TO PANJO.COM YOU WILL BE CHARGED BY THEM FOR USING THEIR PRODUCTS.

You CAN list your items for sale here WITHOUT a PayPal account or listing your PayPal account. If that is not what you are experiencing please let us know so we can investigate further.

If you don't want to take our word for it then contact Panjo directly to verify. We have written communication between them and us that TOTV users are not charged for listing or selling as this is a collaboration we have created with them for the benefit of TOTV users.

TOTV MAKES $0 FROM YOUR LISTING OR SELLING. WE HAVE INVESTED $$$$ TO INTEGRATE AND NEGOTIATE THIS NEW PRODUCT FOR THE BETTERMENT OF TOTV USERS THOUGH.

Looks like "craigslist" for The Villages.Wish this option was available last year when we were furnishing our patio villa.We purchased many items from TOTV postings.Good Job!

[TOTV Team]

Yes ONLY residents of The Villages are allowed to post in the classified section. We frequently remove items for sale that are outside of The Villages. The classified section is exclusively for the residents of The Villages. Unlike Craigslist we feel that if ONLY residents in The Villages can sell items on here it creates a safer environment for everyone.

[sailor47]

Yes ONLY residents of The Villages are allowed to post in the classified section. We frequently remove items for sale that are outside of The Villages. The classified section is exclusively for the residents of The Villages. Unlike Craigslist we feel that if ONLY residents in The Villages can sell items on here it creates a safer environment for everyone.

That's very good. I didn't know that. But how do you limit listers to Village residents only?
I am a technically challenged computer operator.

[CFrance]

I wondered that myself. Do you mean residents of The Villages as opposed to members of TOTV?

[TOTV Team]

We require any items that are being listed can only be from someone that lives inside The Villages as a resident. There is not a 100% way but the posting are monitored and we are diligent in removing any that are not posted by residents of The Villages.

[disneydreamer]

I am not a fan. Do not like having to go thru a 3rd party. Loved being able to buy directly from neighbors. NOTHING is ever free. Sad to see it get sold off :-(

[CFrance]

I am not a fan. Do not like having to go thru a 3rd party. Loved being able to buy directly from neighbors. NOTHING is ever free. Sad to see it get sold off :-(
I don't understand your statement. If you read what Admin said, you are buying directly from neighbors. Before, anyone and everyone could open a membership in TOTV and start selling stuff. And they did. And they were from anywhere and were using the site as a Craig's List. Anyone who's ever dealt with Craig's List knows you open yourself up to all sorts of security issues. You don't know where the sellers come from.

Now you are pretty much assured that the people you are buying from are residents of The Villages. So what if you're going through a third party? It's another layer of security.

[sailor47]

I don't understand your statement. If you read what Admin said, you are buying directly from neighbors. Before, anyone and everyone could open a membership in TOTV and start selling stuff. And they did. And they were from anywhere and were using the site as a Craig's List. Anyone who's ever dealt with Craig's List knows you open yourself up to all sorts of security issues. You don't know where the sellers come from.

Now you are pretty much assured that the people you are buying from are residents of The Villages. So what if you're going through a third party? It's another layer of security.

Well I don't know about that security statement. I think it would be another layer for a potential sercurity breech. I find the new method slower and more steps to look at items for sale. It is difficult to get more info on a particular item and then go back to look the main list. I haven't even tried to post anything for sale yet.

[TV MAN]

Admins Great Job keep up the good work!

[DougB]

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Nevermind

[sailor47]

Call me crazy but I just started to list an item for sale and I was redirected to the Pnajo site and asked for my e-mail address. I had to agree to the terms of that site. Sorry to see this change but i am out of the selling game on this site. It's dead to me.

[Villageshooter]

No Free Lunch! Panjo has your email they will sell this info, and here comes the ads an spam to your email. when u sell they want ur email

[sailor47]

Not mine...I didn't sign in.

[kittygilchrist]

No Free Lunch! Panjo has your email they will sell this info, and here comes the ads an spam to your email. when u sell they want ur email


From the terms and conditions, I pulled this quote:
12. Privacy

Panjo will not sell or disclose your personal information (as defined in the Privacy Policy) to third parties without your explicit consent. Panjo stores and processes Content on computers located in the United States that are protected by physical as well as technological security.

My assumption, based on respect for TOTV's class act, is that they would never agree to place their users in a position to receive spam

here's the entire privacy policy...readable...my take is this won't result in email spam and whatever they learn about me, google and the world already know.
.http://www.panjo.com/privacy

[Fraugoofy]

Are you updating the "new section" so I can find it as an app under Tapatalk on my Android? So far this has not converted?? Thanks for helping me understand when I will be able to see the new classifieds on my phone again... Rae

[TOTV Team]

I am not a fan. Do not like having to go thru a 3rd party. Loved being able to buy directly from neighbors. NOTHING is ever free. Sad to see it get sold off :-(

Unless a website is custom coded, you are using a 3rd party. This site and most sites use 3rd party software, the clubs on this site is from a 3rd party, much of the functionality you use in the functionality of this site is 3rd party.

You are buying directly from neighbors. This is FREE. Not sure what you mean by 'sad to see it get sold off'?

[TOTV Team]

Well I don't know about that security statement. I think it would be another layer for a potential sercurity breech. I find the new method slower and more steps to look at items for sale. It is difficult to get more info on a particular item and then go back to look the main list. I haven't even tried to post anything for sale yet.

So far we have had by far an overwhelming positive response publicly and privately and that the new classifieds are easier to use. You mention you haven't even tried to post anything. If you do then let us know what could be improved.

[dewilson58]

Unless a website is custom coded, you are using a 3rd party. This site and most sites use 3rd party software, the clubs on this site is from a 3rd party, much of the functionality you use in the functionality of this site is 3rd party.

You are buying directly from neighbors. This is FREE. Not sure what you mean by 'sad to see it get sold off'?


Progress is painful for some. Mostly if the some are half empty people.

[TOTV Team]

The email is so you can be contacted by an interested party in purchasing your items.

[TOTV Team]

No Free Lunch! Panjo has your email they will sell this info, and here comes the ads an spam to your email. when u sell they want ur email

This is absolutely an incorrect statement. Please see the terms of service.

[ajbrown]

I just took some time to look through and my reaction is :thumbup:

I apologize if I missed this or I am wrong in my assumption as I did not read every post. It looks to me like a user has to "opt-in" to see for sale things when they click new posts.

My only comment is that "as an occasional seller" it would be my preference that all users see classified ads in New Posts unless they opt out.

I just wonder how many will opt-in or will even know to...

Will not affect me either way, love the site, thanks for setting this up!

[TOTV Team]

Thanks for the support and feedback.

On the forum we will have the default to be 'opt in' and an option to 'opt out' if one so desires.

[CFrance]

I love the opt-out button. When you choose that option, a button appears to "show classifieds," so you can opt back in whenever you want. Most of us use the forum as a for communication only. I am so happy not to have to wade through a host of classifieds to get to the forum posts. The classifieds were escalating, and the forum was starting to look like Craig's List, with people posting 10 items for sale in ten different posts, instead of one post with ten items.

Thanks for this feature, Admin!

[Barefoot]

I love the opt-out button. When you choose that option, a button appears to "show classifieds," so you can opt back in whenever you want. Thanks for this feature, Admin!

I agree. It is now very easy to Opt Out, or Opt Back In.
Great job by Admin!

[DougB]

I love the opt-out button. When you choose that option, a button appears to "show classifieds," so you can opt back in whenever you want. Most of us use the forum as a for communication only. I am so happy not to have to wade through a host of classifieds to get to the forum posts. The classifieds were escalating, and the forum was starting to look like Craig's List, with people posting 10 items for sale in ten different posts, instead of one post with ten items.

Thanks for this feature, Admin!

Have you conducted a survey to know what most people use this forum for?

[CFrance]

Have you conducted a survey to know what most people use this forum for?

I don't have to. Before someone started using it as Craigs List and others joined in, there were very few classifieds, and certainly never 7 in a row by one person trying to sell things for $2.06. Ridiculous.

Even after that the ratio of community posters to classified posters was mainly people who wanted to communicate. The fact that they post each item separately is what became so annoying to those of us looking for topics, not yard-sale items.

[TOTV Team]

I don't have to. Before someone started using it as Craigs List and others joined in, there were very few classifieds, and certainly never 7 in a row by one person trying to sell things for $2.06. Ridiculous.

Even after that the ratio of community posters to classified posters was mainly people who wanted to communicate. The fact that they post each item separately is what became so annoying to those of us looking for topics, not yard-sale items.

Then the new Opt Out button will be a perfect solution for you.

[TOTV Team]

Everyone will have differing opinions.

#1 - Only Residents of the Villages can post items for sale in this section. Not the case with Craigslist.

#2 - Any user can now opt out and only see the discussion posts if that is what their heart desires and never again see a classified post.

#3 - The success of the classified section has brought additional new users to the site who have engaged in discussions and not just post a classified item and these users have made new friends on the site and made useful contributions. The site provides different resources for different people. Some never post at all but just read. Some come for only specific reason or information. That is all very well and good. All users and visitors are welcome as long as they follow the site rules.

#4 - Everyone can decide on what their definition of success is. But in just over 1 month since we incorporated the new classifieds as of today we are able to report the following:

1,888 Users have listed items for sale valuing $2,463,645.55
601 Items marked as sold valuing $320,047.46
945 Items listed for sale currently valued at $1,947,431.75

We thank everyone for their input, feedback, and continued support which has made TOTV the largest website in The Villages! We continue to grow organically every year at near 30% a year. Our unique visitors this year are up 27.09% over last year according to Google and we continue to grow thanks to your support!