Water Aerobics in Neighborhood Pools?

[applesoffh]

First of all, a big shout out to the Pool Pals of Virginia Trace for their wonderful philanthropic work!

In case you didn't see Page 1 of Section C in today's SUN, mention was made not only of the terrific acts of kindness performed by the Pool Pals of Virginia Trace, but also that a group of about 60 people do an aerobics class in the Virginia Trace neighborhood pool 5 days a week.

Frankly, I wasn't aware that classes of any type were permitted in the neighborhood pools. It's my understanding that the sports pools serve that function. I know that there is a similar group using the Charlotte pool every morning from 8 to 9:30am and, while I don't believe there are 60 people in that particular group, others who like to use the pool early in the day find it "uncomfortable" to be in the pool with everyone else using arm and leg weights appropriate for pool use, and then holding on to the edge of the pool to do other exercises.

My question, then, is this...can organized groups of people, while not officially a "class", use the neighborhood pools for aerobics workouts? It wouldn't seem so, as the Thursday Recreation Guide lays out pretty specifically what each type of pool is for. Is there an answer to this question anywhere?

[DonH57]

I would think the recreation department would give you the correct answer. To my knowledge the only pools to conduct organized water exercises would be in the sports pools. Just my guess.

[applesoffh]

I would think the recreation department would give you the correct answer. To my knowledge the only pools to conduct organized water exercises would be in the sports pools. Just my guess.

Well, you WOULD think that the recreation department would be on top of this, wouldn't you? Unfortunately, they seem to be totally unconcerned (at Captiva Rec Center, at least).

[CFrance]

Well, you WOULD think that the recreation department would be on top of this, wouldn't you? Unfortunately, they seem to be totally unconcerned (at Captiva Rec Center, at least).
If you are really inconvenienced by it, don't just go to the rec center. Go to the TV rec director.

[Sable99]

Mom and I were just in TV and I saw the aerobics class when I was on my morning walk. They looked like they were having a lot of fun. I would have joined the class but it is a little crazy when I only have two weeks in TV.

I think I read somewhere that if you want to lead a Rec Center class that it requires a two year time commitment. Maybe, that is why they use the Neighborhood Pool.

Even though the Charlotte Pool is practically in my backyard, I would go to the Sanibel Pool if I didn't want to partake in the class.

[Ruthtomnorma3]

Ok Villagers....the answer is in Friday's Daily Sun
Section D Lifestyles.....page 5 ..last three paragraphs ...... Well written...
We as adults are given the opportunity to realize the wrong...
What happens after a time of this unauthorized activity......???

Read the whole article which has interesting information ......

[applesoffh]

Ok Villagers....the answer is in Friday's Daily Sun
Section D Lifestyles.....page 5 ..last three paragraphs ...... Well written...
We as adults are given the opportunity to realize the wrong...
What happens after a time of this unauthorized activity......???

Read the whole article which has interesting information ......

Sorry, I no longer have Friday's paper. I'll see if I can get it online. In the meantime, would you please be so kind as to paraphrase the paragraphs of which you wrote? Thanks, and much appreciated!

[CFrance]

Yes, please paraphrase for those of us who don't take the Sun or no longer have it.

[Ruthtomnorma3]

TOMORROW'S PROJECT..
Unless another blogger gets to it first ...LOL
There are some folks more keen on the mechanics of gathering /transferring information than me.
I want to give the "real McCory" news.. This is a "sensitive" forum to some folks ....
Can't paraphrase ....hold on ...until ...as Paul Harvey would say...until tomorrow ...GOOD DAY!

[VT2TV]

I actually do not use the pools. but I would think that since they are neighborhood pools, any kind of organized activity would prevent the "neighborhood" from using it. That's what the sports pools are for. I also don't think it is fair when certain people act like they "own" the pool, and make it difficult for others to use the pools.

[Uptown Girl]

It says holding classes or sports activities takes away from the intention for the neighborhood pools.
It says while there is no current provision or policy to prohibit residents from doing this, residents are encouraged to move their sessions to the sport pools.

The last sentence- "We hope people are self- policing and self- enforcing." (Pam Henry- recreation manager for resident lifestyles)

I can foresee a few problems with this - and changes in policy down the road.

P.S. I attend a water aerobics class at Laurel Manor sports pool and love it.

[graciegirl]

It says holding classes or sports activities takes away from the intention for the neighborhood pools.
It says while there is no current provision or policy to prohibit residents from doing this, residents are encouraged to move their sessions to the sport pools.

The last sentence- "We hope people are self- policing and self- enforcing." (Pam Henry- recreation manager for resident lifestyles)

I can foresee a few problems with this - and changes in policy down the road.

P.S. I attend a water aerobics class at Laurel Manor sports pool and love it.



I think you are spot on. Has the recreation director changed?


I suggest that we ask about this policy...if a lot of us ask, that might make an impression.


Recreation Administration
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Phone: 352-674-1800
Fax: 352-674-1805
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[baustgen]

Gimme a break! A group of villagers want to get together and do water exercises on their own is one of the benefits of living in TV. New friends, healthy exercise under attack. Ridiculous. If you are so fussy you can't stand observing it, move to another pool. There is one 5 minutes away.

[Uptown Girl]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;890108]
Has the recreation director changed?

I don't know, Gracie- according to this article, Pam Henry is recreational manager. Maybe someone else is the overall Director?

[graciegirl]

Gimme a break! A group of villagers want to get together and do water exercises on their own is one of the benefits of living in TV. New friends, healthy exercise under attack. Ridiculous. If you are so fussy you can't stand observing it, move to another pool. There is one 5 minutes away.



I don't think it is bad...it just keeps the pool from being used by others who want to swim or walk or wade or just stand there. The sports pools offer water aerobic classes. I think it would be intimidating to people at neighborhood pools, like saving seats. You are right, people can go to the next pool.

ANd to me that is a form of bullying.

[Big47moe]

Gimme a break! A group of villagers want to get together and do water exercises on their own is one of the benefits of living in TV. New friends, healthy exercise under attack. Ridiculous. If you are so fussy you can't stand observing it, move to another pool. There is one 5 minutes away.

Amen Brother! If neighbors want to participate together that's a good thing. Don't look for a problem that does not exist!

[Happinow]

I agree with the OP. There is a time and place for everything and The Villages has provided pools for exercise and they need to be used. The regular pools are to be enjoyed otherwise. Perhaps this should be discussed with the director, although I'm sure nothing will become of it. They don't want anyone to be unhappy here in the bubble.

[graciegirl]

I agree with the OP. There is a time and place for everything and The Villages has provided pools for exercise and they need to be used. The regular pools are to be enjoyed otherwise. Perhaps this should be discussed with the director, although I'm sure nothing will become of it. They don't want anyone to be unhappy here in the bubble.


Having your own pool may be the answer. Lazy us don't like the upkeep. BUT...Sweetie could be my pool boy!

[Ruthtomnorma3]

ok villagers....the answer is in friday's daily sun
section d lifestyles.....page 5 ..last three paragraphs ...... Well written...
We as adults are given the opportunity to realize the wrong...
What happens after a time of this unauthorized activity......???

Read the whole article which has interesting information ......

uptown girl and gracie girl provided the next level of information
thanks for your splash on the subject
now you know the rest of the story......

[Uptown Girl]

I have a real problem with people who have classes at any of our facilities, art classes, craft classes, and appear to be volunteers but intimidate people to pay them by asking for a donation. It truly isn't the money, it is the principal of the thing.

You didn't fall off the back of a turnip truck. I like that about you.

I won't tell the story of a female who told me she ran a class in a neighborhood pool, had her friends come (from where she USED to live- in another retirement community) and charged them on the side for the classes…. until some curmudgeon turned her in.
I could tell it, but I won't.
:mornincoffee:

[quirky3]

Having your own pool may be the answer. Lazy us don't like the upkeep. BUT...Sweetie could be my pool boy!

Nothing personal Gracie, but.....you're saying that multiple people should spend $25,000 - $50,000 apiece because selected individuals choose to disregard the restrictions they agreed to on purchase?

Please see : Is Common Sense Dead? - Talk of The Villages (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/common-sense-dead-117126/)
:angel:

[applesoffh]

Oy, I didn't mean to cause an uproar over my post, but I did ask a reasonable question, to which it looks like no one has a definitive answer. It's like the complaint of dog walkers and bikers on the golf courses after dusk, or, as Gracie pointed out, saving seats in the squares. I guess "anything goes". In answer to the poster who suggested I go to another pool if the class in the neighborhood pool bothers me...I can WALK to that pool, and cannot walk to any other neighborhood pool. If there were children in the neighborhood pools, everyone would have a fit, because there is a pool specifically for the use of families with children, just like there are pools specifically for sports and aerobics. I agree with Happinow, and will call the recreation director for an answer to this.

[Indydealmaker]

I agree with the OP. There is a time and place for everything and The Villages has provided pools for exercise and they need to be used. The regular pools are to be enjoyed otherwise. Perhaps this should be discussed with the director, although I'm sure nothing will become of it. They don't want anyone to be unhappy here in the bubble.

If the activity dominates the pool and does not accommodate sharing, common sense should dictate that is unfair and not an equitable use of a "neighborhood" facility.

[Indydealmaker]

Nothing personal Gracie, but.....you're saying that multiple people should spend $25,000 - $50,000 apiece because selected individuals choose to disregard the restrictions they agreed to on purchase?

Please see : Is Common Sense Dead? - Talk of The Villages (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/common-sense-dead-117126/)
:angel:

I think that Gracie's point is that due to the dominant lack of common sense and courtesy, getting your own pool MAY be the only answer to avoid this inequity. Beyond that, you are screwed today as long as no one will take personal responsibility to counter unfair activities at the "shared" facilities.

[vlm790]

Key words here ...... common sense :icon_wink:

[graciegirl]

Nothing personal Gracie, but.....you're saying that multiple people should spend $25,000 - $50,000 apiece because selected individuals choose to disregard the restrictions they agreed to on purchase?

Please see : Is Common Sense Dead? - Talk of The Villages (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/common-sense-dead-117126/)



:angel:


No. I wasn't saying that. Just making conversation. Indy got the gist of my meaning.

[CFrance]

I think that Gracie's point is that due to the dominant lack of common sense and courtesy, getting your own pool MAY be the only answer to avoid this inequity. Beyond that, you are screwed today as long as no one will take personal responsibility to counter unfair activities at the "shared" facilities.

Good point. In the article quoted, the recreational manager seems to be implying that they won't do anything about it. If they can't be bothered with policing these things, why have this kind of pool division--rec, family, neighborhood--to begin with? At the very least the rec manager could put pressure on each rec center to keep these things from happening at the pools they oversee.

[mulligan]

Why not just go and use the pool the way you choose to. Because it is not a sport pool, but rather a neighborhood pool, you cannot be prevented from using it. It's there for everyone to use, whenever they choose. Jump in and enjoy and ignore the ignorant.

[quirky3]

Why not just go and use the pool the way you choose to. Because it is not a sport pool, but rather a neighborhood pool, you cannot be prevented from using it. It's there for everyone to use, whenever they choose. Jump in and enjoy and ignore the ignorant.

I was wondering that too - what's the worst that could happen if you just use it the way you want to and ignore the exercisers? Won't they need to walk around you?

[yabbadu]

Whats one to do...last week someone complained that people were talking in the pool to others and it was noisy and that the pool was for a peaceful time. No talking! WOW!
I like the idea that sports pools are for people who want to be active. If I want to be on a noodle relaxing then walkers in an adult pool can go around me or go the the appropriate pool. Agree with quirky3!

[Barefoot]

It says holding classes or sports activities takes away from the intention for the neighborhood pools. It says while there is no current provision or policy to prohibit residents from doing this, residents are encouraged to move their sessions to the sport pools.

The last sentence- "We hope people are self- policing and self- enforcing." (Pam Henry- recreation manager for resident lifestyles)



Pam Henry "hopes" people will be self-policing and self-enforcing?
I hope to win $15 Million in a lottery. :mornincoffee:

[teamC]

I think the neighborhood pools are for the neighborhood to share. When I first bought my home I was trying out almost all the neighborhood pools! Once I just jumped in and joined a class and was made very welcome. The class I jumped in on was 1 hour (and appeared to be regularly scheduled). It seems that if you lived in the neighborhood you would know when the classes were held and schedule your own visits according to your own personal likes or dislikes (quiet time, busy time, good time to exercise, good time to nap) Flexibility & adaptability are required when you share anything!!

[CFrance]

I was wondering that too - what's the worst that could happen if you just use it the way you want to and ignore the exercisers? Won't they need to walk around you?

Well for one thing, we saw in a post a week or so ago that people got mad at someone for trying to be in the pool signing to her deaf friend when they wanted to be in there walking. Some of these people just get downright nasty, and I could see where a pool full of 60 exercisers would gang up on the poor souls trying to get in there and relax. I sure wouldn't take them on!

[2fromohio]

The interesting thing is...The Daily Sun recently featured a woman who conducts a water aerobics class several days a week at the Hemingway Neighborhood Pool. Busted?

[Edjkoz]

So, maybe I am missing something here. You want to use the pool to swim laps and get some excercise. The people in the pool want to use the pool for excercise. As many have said, common senese should be the order of the day. Just ask them to open up a lane for you. If they give you a hard time, then talk to the Rec Director

[CFrance]

So, maybe I am missing something here. You want to use the pool to swim laps and get some excercise. The people in the pool want to use the pool for excercise. As many have said, common senese should be the order of the day. Just ask them to open up a lane for you. If they give you a hard time, then talk to the Rec Director
Actually, not. Anyone wanting to swim laps should go to the sports pools. The neighborhood pools are not for exercising, and there should be no expectation of anyone opening up a lane for you, nor should there be exercise classes being conducted that effectively close off the pool for anyone trying to relax in it.

If it happens that nobody's in there and you want to swim laps, fine, but don't expect that you should be able to. They are for relaxing in, the family pools are for kids, and the sports pools are for exercise. I think it's a good design by TV.

[applesoffh]

Actually, not. Anyone wanting to swim laps should go to the sports pools. The neighborhood pools are not for exercising, and there should be no expectation of anyone opening up a lane for you, nor should there be exercise classes being conducted that effectively close off the pool for anyone trying to relax in it.

If it happens that nobody's in there and you want to swim laps, fine, but don't expect that you should be able to. They are for relaxing in, the family pools are for kids, and the sports pools are for exercise. I think it's a good design by TV.

Thank you!

[ilovetv]

Actually, not. Anyone wanting to swim laps should go to the sports pools. The neighborhood pools are not for exercising, and there should be no expectation of anyone opening up a lane for you, nor should there be exercise classes being conducted that effectively close off the pool for anyone trying to relax in it.

If it happens that nobody's in there and you want to swim laps, fine, but don't expect that you should be able to. They are for relaxing in, the family pools are for kids, and the sports pools are for exercise. I think it's a good design by TV.

Well said.

[Edjkoz]

I did not mean to imply that there is any expectation but I believe that, as I said, common sense should dictate each person's behavior.

[CFrance]

I did not mean to imply that there is any expectation but I believe that, as I said, common sense should dictate each person's behavior.
Fair enough, Edjkoz. My guess is, though, that your last sentence in your first post will be the case, and people will end up having to go to the rec director.

[VT2TV]

You know, this is definitely THE problem in TV. I am not just talking about the pools, I am talking about everything. When people buy their houses here, they are very aware of the rules, regulations, or suggestions for all aspects of life here. They all agree to abide by these rules. But once they are moved in, things change, and everyone wants to interpret the rules to match their wants and needs. The powers in TV try not to make downright orders for everything, hopeing that people will do the right thing and abide by TV's rules or suggestions. The papers say "no saving seats", and the people say--"they don't mean me, or I'm going to do what I want" The papers say"no scooters on the MMP", and the people say "they don't mean me-I am going to do what I want". The pool rules say or suggest that all lap swimming, and organized classes should be done in the sports pools, and the people say----"they don't mean me, I am going to do what I want." I could go on, but that;s enough. There are 100K people here, and if everyone does what they think ok, then everyone starts stepping on the other people's rights. If that happens, the powers might have to get downright demanding, and impose restrictions none of us want, just to protect the rights of all. Just my opinion.

[CFrance]

You know, this is definitely THE problem in TV. I am not just talking about the pools, I am talking about everything. When people buy their houses here, they are very aware of the rules, regulations, or suggestions for all aspects of life here. They all agree to abide by these rules. But once they are moved in, things change, and everyone wants to interpret the rules to match their wants and needs. The powers in TV try not to make downright orders for everything, hopeing that people will do the right thing and abide by TV's rules or suggestions. The papers say "no saving seats", and the people say--"they don't mean me, or I'm going to do what I want" The papers say"no scooters on the MMP", and the people say "they don't mean me-I am going to do what I want". The pool rules say or suggest that all lap swimming, and organized classes should be done in the sports pools, and the people say----"they don't mean me, I am going to do what I want." I could go on, but that;s enough. There are 100K people here, and if everyone does what they think ok, then everyone starts stepping on the other people's rights. If that happens, the powers might have to get downright demanding, and impose restrictions none of us want, just to protect the rights of all. Just my opinion.
I agree with you, but I also think at least half of the onus is on TV to enforce the rules it has set up to begin with. They want to keep everyone happy, but really, they are only keeping the rule breakers happy with their no-enforcement-without-loud-complaint policy.

[ilovetv]

You know, this is definitely THE problem in TV. I am not just talking about the pools, I am talking about everything. When people buy their houses here, they are very aware of the rules, regulations, or suggestions for all aspects of life here. They all agree to abide by these rules. But once they are moved in, things change, and everyone wants to interpret the rules to match their wants and needs. The powers in TV try not to make downright orders for everything, hopeing that people will do the right thing and abide by TV's rules or suggestions. The papers say "no saving seats", and the people say--"they don't mean me, or I'm going to do what I want" The papers say"no scooters on the MMP", and the people say "they don't mean me-I am going to do what I want". The pool rules say or suggest that all lap swimming, and organized classes should be done in the sports pools, and the people say----"they don't mean me, I am going to do what I want." I could go on, but that;s enough. There are 100K people here, and if everyone does what they think ok, then everyone starts stepping on the other people's rights. If that happens, the powers might have to get downright demanding, and impose restrictions none of us want, just to protect the rights of all. Just my opinion.

This is a big problem in all of our society--"I'm entitled to do what I please, and the rest be damned." Kids are being raised on that disrespect for others.

Fortunately most people in TV were raised to have respect for other people and for rules that are meant to promote an orderly community.

When people hog the neighborhood pools to do group water walking, etc., they need to be told to clear out and go to the sport pools' open water areas (not lap swim lanes).

The Rec Dept. is in charge of keeping order at these pools. One resident cannot be expected to confront a group of bullies and give them the boot. Rec dept. employees need to step up and enforce the rules.

[CFrance]

This is a big problem in all of our society--"I'm entitled to do what I please, and the rest be damned." Kids are being raised on that disrespect for others.

Fortunately most people in TV were raised to have respect for other people and for rules that are meant to promote an orderly community.

When people hog the neighborhood pools to do group water walking, etc., they need to be told to clear out and go to the sport pools' open water areas (not lap swim lanes).

The Rec Dept. is in charge of keeping order at these pools. One resident cannot be expected to confront a group of bullies and give them the boot. Rec dept. employees need to step up and enforce the rules.


Hear hear.

[Barefoot]

The Rec Dept. is in charge of keeping order at these pools. One resident cannot be expected to confront a group of bullies and give them the boot. Rec dept. employees need to step up and enforce the rules.

Isn't there a phone at every pool?
The Sports pools are for exercise classes.
The Adult pools are for swimming and relaxation.
Individuals shouldn't be expected to confront a group of walkers or exercisers that are monopolizing the Adult pool.
I'd think the pool phone would be a good way to contact the "powers that be", if people aren't willing to share the pool.

[jojoin]

I don't think anyone has a problem with someone swimming laps or individuals doing water exercises in the neighborhood pool. But, when a large group is holding a class, and there is no room left for "relaxers", they are essentially taking over the pool which shouldn't be permitted. You can't even use a float in the pool because (I was told) they infringe on others' space; so why should a group be allowed to take over the pool. I'm surprised the rec department allows group water aerobics in the neighborhood pools as there would be no one controlling the number of participants...at the sports pools which are much larger, the rec staff controls the number of participants (I think 85 is max) to ensure folks aren't running into each other (safety reason, I presume).

[billmar]

Why not just go and use the pool the way you choose to. Because it is not a sport pool, but rather a neighborhood pool, you cannot be prevented from using it. It's there for everyone to use, whenever they choose. Jump in and enjoy and ignore the ignorant.

Kind of hard to do if there is a large group of people doing water aerobics in the adult neighborhood pool...wouldn't be much room for others to "jump in and enjoy".

[TheCollierCpl]

The problem occurs in the collier pool also. They should use big cypress.
I am told by the Eisenhower staff that the pool is open; however,it feels very uncomfortable to swim when a bunch of people are in a circle encompassing most of the center of the pool.

[CFrance]

The staff at the rec centers is told not to be enforcers. You have to go over their heads to the rec department and complain. If enough people do it (like in the postal center/dog issue), something will be done.

You have your rights too, even moreso than the exercise classes. Unfortunately, you have to assert them or TV will do nothing because they don't want to make anyone unhappy, and there are more of them (the exercisers) than you to make unhappy.

[jojoin]

[QUOTE=CFrance;890639]The staff at the rec centers is told not to be enforcers...

I think they pick and choose what to enforce. Actually had one tell me and another grandparent, our toddler (under age of 2) grandchildren could not play with a small plastic cup in the family pool. Since they couldn't swim, the kids were just sitting on the steps entertaining themselves filling the cups and pouring the water out. Hey, it's cheap entertainment and the kids were quiet...two plusses. But, rec staff came by and made us take their "toys" away...didn't go over too well with the toddlers, ya know how that goes. Though did read an article later saying small plastic cups and buckets are permitted. Anyhow, I digress from the original topic ... I realize it's probably tough having to deal with so many villagers and the different personalities. But, they shouldn't pick on the small stuff then overlook situations like a large group deciding to routinely use the neighborhood pool for water aerobics.

[VT2TV]

I agree with you, but I also think at least half of the onus is on TV to enforce the rules it has set up to begin with. They want to keep everyone happy, but really, they are only keeping the rule breakers happy with their no-enforcement-without-loud-complaint policy.


I agree with you also :)





This is a big problem in all of our society--"I'm entitled to do what I please, and the rest be damned." Kids are being raised on that disrespect for others.

Fortunately most people in TV were raised to have respect for other people and for rules that are meant to promote an orderly community.

When people hog the neighborhood pools to do group water walking, etc., they need to be told to clear out and go to the sport pools' open water areas (not lap swim lanes).

The Rec Dept. is in charge of keeping order at these pools. One resident cannot be expected to confront a group of bullies and give them the boot. Rec dept. employees need to step up and enforce the rules.



I totally agree with you except for the part that most people in TV were raised to have respect for other people and for rules meant to promote an orderly community. They may have been raised that way, but a lot of people have forgotten it. Keeping in mind that so many of TV are wonderful people, it is the ones who are not that you notice the most. I think that morals in this country have almost become extinct. It is "whatever I want is ok".




I don't think anyone has a problem with someone swimming laps or individuals doing water exercises in the neighborhood pool. But, when a large group is holding a class, and there is no room left for "relaxers", they are essentially taking over the pool which shouldn't be permitted. You can't even use a float in the pool because (I was told) they infringe on others' space; so why should a group be allowed to take over the pool. I'm surprised the rec department allows group water aerobics in the neighborhood pools as there would be no one controlling the number of participants...at the sports pools which are much larger, the rec staff controls the number of participants (I think 85 is max) to ensure folks aren't running into each other (safety reason, I presume).



Sorry, I disagree with the first sentence. Most of the thread says that people do mind when others are exercising or swimming laps. There are pools specifically for that purpose. If you want a rule to succeed, it is pretty much all or nothing. It can't be wheter someone has a problem with it or not. You may not have a problem with it, but other people there might. Obviously things can be different if you are the only person there, but when others come to the pool, the activity should stop.

[vlm790]

Unfortunately there are people everywhere who just don't follow the rules. Whether we agree with the rule or not, it is a rule and it should be followed. As with anything, the person doing the right thing, or following the law or the rule, is the one who has to make changes or adapt. It's getting out of hand and people just need to behave

[CFrance]

Unfortunately there are people everywhere who just don't follow the rules. Whether we agree with the rule or not, it is a rule and it should be followed. As with anything, the person doing the right thing, or following the law or the rule, is the one who has to make changes or adapt. It's getting out of hand and people just need to behave
My opinion is they need to be made to behave by the people who made the rules in the first place. TV needs to step up and take some control. I don't understand their laziness regarding things like this.

[vlm790]

They shouldn't have to enforce the rules they should just be followed. But since they aren't being followed, CFrance is absolutely right, the Villages should enforce them. The big question is how?

[graciegirl]

My opinion is they need to be made to behave by the people who made the rules in the first place. TV needs to step up and take some control. I don't understand their laziness regarding things like this.

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[CFrance]

They shouldn't have to enforce the rules they should just be followed. But since they aren't being followed, CFrance is absolutely right, the Villages should enforce them. The big question is how?

I think the how would come about if enough people went straight to the Rec Director with their complaints. We've had something like this happen with our pickleball group, and the individual rec center wouldn't do anything about it--just ignored it and said Oh, well... Then someone went over their head, and the problem was fixed.

In this case, since it's happening in more than one spot, people from each pool would have to lodge a complaint with the director. Harrass him enough, and point out what rules are being broken and who is suffering because of it, and he will have to respond instead of ignore. It worked with the postal centers/dogs. It worked with the wall. People have to become assertive about their rights.

[graciegirl]

I think the how would come about if enough people went straight to the Rec Director with their complaints. We've had something like this happen with our pickleball group, and the individual rec center wouldn't do anything about it--just ignored it and said Oh, well... Then someone went over their head, and the problem was fixed.

In this case, since it's happening in more than one spot, people from each pool would have to lodge a complaint with the director. Harrass him enough, and point out what rules are being broken and who is suffering because of it, and he will have to respond instead of ignore. It worked with the postal centers/dogs. It worked with the wall. People have to become assertive about their rights.



How about if a bunch of people reading this thread forward it to John Rohan....Isn't he the recreation director? I tried to figure out HOW to do it but am not sure. http://districtgov.org/departments/Recreation/recreation.aspx

[CFrance]

That's a good idea. He would have to be a member of TOTV to read it, though. Otherwise, copy and paste everything into a word document.

[CFrance]

Here is Mr. Rohan's email address. Let's do something about this situation! John.Rohan@districtgov.org

[CFrance]

Here is my email to Mr. Rohan:

Dear Mr. Rohan,

A number of neighborhood pools are being used for exercise classes, tying up the pools for an hour or more at a time and making it impossible for the pools to be used for their intended purposes--floating around, relaxing, a little swimming. Many people have become combative when asked to make room for those wanting to use the pools for their intended purpose. Going to these pools' rec center staff and complaining has done no good. They either state there's nothing they can do about it, or they won't do anything about it.

There is a groundswell of dissatisfaction over this practice, and people are being urged to get together and try to get the rec department to enforce the rules at the neighborhood pools, and to have the exercise classes moved to the sports pools where they belong.

If you are a member of Talk of The Villages forum, I urge you to read this thread: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/water-aerobics-neighborhood-pools-117062/ It will give you information about which pools are being affected at this time. However, even if you don't read this thread, my request is that you direct your recreational staff at each rec center to ensure that these exercise classes are moved to the sports pools, and enforce the original intent of the neighborhood pools, which is for relaxing and socializing.

[CFrance]

Here is my email to Mr. Rohan:

Dear Mr. Rohan,

A number of neighborhood pools are being used for exercise classes, tying up the pools for an hour or more at a time and making it impossible for the pools to be used for their intended purposes--floating around, relaxing, a little swimming. Many people have become combative when asked to make room for those wanting to use the pools for their intended purpose. Going to these pools' rec center staff and complaining has done no good. They either state there's nothing they can do about it, or they won't do anything about it.

There is a groundswell of dissatisfaction over this practice, and people are being urged to get together and try to get the rec department to enforce the rules at the neighborhood pools, and to have the exercise classes moved to the sports pools where they belong.

If you are a member of Talk of The Villages forum, I urge you to read this thread: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/water-aerobics-neighborhood-pools-117062/ It will give you information about which pools are being affected at this time. However, even if you don't read this thread, my request is that you direct your recreational staff at each rec center to ensure that these exercise classes are moved to the sports pools, and enforce the original intent of the neighborhood pools, which is for relaxing and socializing.

Here is the email response I got from Mr. Rohan:

"We are looking how to get the residents to mutually respect pool use and intent. We agree the exercise classes should not impede or impact the enjoyment of others to use the neighborhood pools. That's why we designed sports pools."

I urge all of you to email him at the address given in my post above.

[Indydealmaker]

Here is the email response I got from Mr. Rohan:

"We are looking how to get the residents to mutually respect pool use and intent. We agree the exercise classes should not impede or impact the enjoyment of others to use the neighborhood pools. That's why we designed sports pools."

I urge all of you to email him at the address given in my post above.

The Fly in the Ointment contained in his response is "mutually respect". It is a crying shame that this must be dictated.

[TheVillageChicken]

Here is the email response I got from Mr. Rohan:

"We are looking how to get the residents to mutually respect pool use and intent. We agree the exercise classes should not impede or impact the enjoyment of others to use the neighborhood pools. That's why we designed sports pools."

I urge all of you to email him at the address given in my post above.

They could start with a sign............

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v368/allsteel29/poolsign.jpg

Too simple? We could form a vigilante group that crashes the activities to play Marco Polo.

[ilovetv]

The neighborhood adult pools should have monitors enforcing the rules, checking ID cards, and clearing out groups who take over the pool and patio as their own turf like playground bullies.

As many of us told our kids as they grew up:

"You want to be treated like an 'adult'?? Then act like one. But until you do, you are going to be watched by us or a babysitter."

[graciegirl]

Here is Mr. Rohan's email address. Let's do something about this situation! John.Rohan@districtgov.org




Come on TOTV'rs who agree with CFrance and a lot of us...Send him a short and sweet email, and name pools. AND the time of the class that is taking up the space.

[wvafran]

I am reading lots of negative comments that a "group" of exercisers prevent others from entering the pool, do not share, are taking up the whole pool and generally are a territorial group of individuals.
I am one of the people being complained about and we always leave a lane, greet people as they arrive and say come on in, plenty of room. There are "groups" all day at the pool, so should ALL of theses be prohibited?

[quirky3]

His reply sounds ambiguous to me. Having "mutual respect" sounds like he is OK with all uses of a neighborhood pool, including water walking.

I think before people get too excited, he needs to clarify if he intends to allow it or not. Sounds like he does.

[jaringg]

That should take care of the problem. It would also mean that friends gathering at the pools would not be possible. Many neighood groups gather at pools for fun and enjoyment. GONE, would be subject to to LAW inforcement. Most residents are not early risers and don't use the pools until the sun is high.


Here is my email to Mr. Rohan:

Dear Mr. Rohan,

A number of neighborhood pools are being used for exercise classes, tying up the pools for an hour or more at a time and making it impossible for the pools to be used for their intended purposes--floating around, relaxing, a little swimming. Many people have become combative when asked to make room for those wanting to use the pools for their intended purpose. Going to these pools' rec center staff and complaining has done no good. They either state there's nothing they can do about it, or they won't do anything about it.

There is a groundswell of dissatisfaction over this practice, and people are being urged to get together and try to get the rec department to enforce the rules at the neighborhood pools, and to have the exercise classes moved to the sports pools where they belong.

If you are a member of Talk of The Villages forum, I urge you to read this thread: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/water-aerobics-neighborhood-pools-117062/ It will give you information about which pools are being affected at this time. However, even if you don't read this thread, my request is that you direct your recreational staff at each rec center to ensure that these exercise classes are moved to the sports pools, and enforce the original intent of the neighborhood pools, which is for relaxing and socializing.

[ilovetv]

That should take care of the problem. It would also mean that friends gathering at the pools would not be possible. Many neighood groups gather at pools for fun and enjoyment. GONE, would be subject to to LAW inforcement. Most residents are not early risers and don't use the pools until the sun is high.

Nobody said friends shouldn't be allowed to gather at the pools for fun and enjoyment. We're saying that groups should not be allowed to take over the pool as their own pool.

With the size of these neighborhood pools, it only takes 3 or 4 water-walkers teamed up to "occupy" the entire pool. The loud group gossip is part of the "occupying" some do and it's very annoying.

[CFrance]

The neighborhood adult pools should have monitors enforcing the rules, checking ID cards, and clearing out groups who take over the pool and patio as their own turf like playground bullies.

As many of us told our kids as they grew up:

"You want to be treated like an 'adult'?? Then act like one. But until you do, you are going to be watched by us or a babysitter."
My friend's husband works at one of the rec centers. They only have one monitor for three pools. Things like these exercise groups slip through. Then they become established events, and the rec center staff doesn't want to suffer the ire of 30-60 people, so they waffle and do nothing, even when faced with a complaint.

It really has to come from the top down, IMO.

[Sable99]

I am reading lots of negative comments that a "group" of exercisers prevent others from entering the pool, do not share, are taking up the whole pool and generally are a territorial group of individuals.
I am one of the people being complained about and we always leave a lane, greet people as they arrive and say come on in, plenty of room. There are "groups" all day at the pool, so should ALL of theses be prohibited?

We were in TV a couple of weeks ago and I walked by the Charlotte Pool on my morning walks. I noticed several carts at the pool and was curious what was going on. As i peaked over the fence, several exercises invited me into the pool. There was plenty of room for others in the pool. It looked like they were enjoying themselves and I would have liked to join in. Unfortunately, things are crazy when we are only there for two weeks.

[graciegirl]

I am reading lots of negative comments that a "group" of exercisers prevent others from entering the pool, do not share, are taking up the whole pool and generally are a territorial group of individuals.
I am one of the people being complained about and we always leave a lane, greet people as they arrive and say come on in, plenty of room. There are "groups" all day at the pool, so should ALL of theses be prohibited?


YES.
I don't have a dog in this fight, as I have not encountered it but I have encountered people having classes and charging for them in our facilities where it is NOT allowed. If you want to exercise as a group, do it in the sports pools. That is what they are for.

[Barefoot]

There are "groups" all day at the pool, so should ALL of theses be prohibited?

As previously stated by a lot of different people, exercise groups belong at the Sports Pools. Otherwise a relaxed swimmer feels intimidated. No-one wants an elbow in their eye.

[wvafran]

I have read of mutual respect being needed by all residents, but some postings have spoken of information gathering in opposition to the pool use by a group of neighbors. Did the man who came this a.m. and pretend to use the men's room, then turn and take pictures of people in the pool, qualify as respect? I vue it as rude and invasive . What is the purpose of the pictures? Will they be used without our permission?

[Indydealmaker]

I have read of mutual respect being needed by all residents, but some postings have spoken of information gathering in opposition to the pool use by a group of neighbors. Did the man who came this a.m. and pretend to use the men's room, then turn and take pictures of people in the pool, qualify as respect? I vue it as rude and invasive . What is the purpose of the pictures? Will they be used without our permission?

That was Mr. Midnight's shy son, Tom. He was just peeping. Just ignore him.
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[Barefoot]

Did the man who came this a.m. and pretend to use the men's room, then turn and take pictures of people in the pool, qualify as respect? I vue it as rude and invasive . What is the purpose of the pictures? Will they be used without our permission?

Did you ask the photographer why he was taking the pictures?
I'm not sure anyone here could answer your questions.

[jojoin]

Sorry, I disagree with the first sentence. Most of the thread says that people do mind when others are exercising or swimming laps. There are pools specifically for that purpose. If you want a rule to succeed, it is pretty much all or nothing. It can't be wheter someone has a problem with it or not. You may not have a problem with it, but other people there might. Obviously things can be different if you are the only person there, but when others come to the pool, the activity should stop.

Sorry, it was an introductory sentence.. what I meant to convey is probably most would not generally complain if an isolated individual was doing some water exercises on the side of the pool....but, the real issue (which I supported in my post) seems to be that group water aerobics are being conducted in the adult pools, and I agree the rec staff should put a stop to this.

[jojoin]

Here is the email response I got from Mr. Rohan:

"We are looking how to get the residents to mutually respect pool use and intent. We agree the exercise classes should not impede or impact the enjoyment of others to use the neighborhood pools. That's why we designed sports pools."

I urge all of you to email him at the address given in my post above.

????Not to be disrespectful, but it sounds like a polititian wrote the response. He agrees exercise classes should not impede others....but, doesn't come right out and say they shouldn't be conducted. when he's done looking & finds the answer on how to get residents to mutually respect, etc.....he should bottle and sell it....he'd make millions. But, for now sounds like we are on our own

[LuckySevens]

I would think the recreation department would give you the correct answer. To my knowledge the only pools to conduct organized water exercises would be in the sports pools. Just my guess.

If you really want to get something done, don't just call the recreation department. Call John Rohan, Director of Recreation. He is the 'get it done man'.

[VT2TV]

The neighborhood adult pools should have monitors enforcing the rules, checking ID cards, and clearing out groups who take over the pool and patio as their own turf like playground bullies.

As many of us told our kids as they grew up:

"You want to be treated like an 'adult'?? Then act like one. But until you do, you are going to be watched by us or a babysitter."



:bowdown::bowdown::agree: Totally agree!!






My opinion is they need to be made to behave by the people who made the rules in the first place. TV needs to step up and take some control. I don't understand their laziness regarding things like this.



Also agree.






I am reading lots of negative comments that a "group" of exercisers prevent others from entering the pool, do not share, are taking up the whole pool and generally are a territorial group of individuals.
I am one of the people being complained about and we always leave a lane, greet people as they arrive and say come on in, plenty of room. There are "groups" all day at the pool, so should ALL of theses be prohibited?



Maybe your group is very respectful, and polite, but not all are. But, people have already shown that not everyone plays by the rules, because they don't believe the rules apply to them. So, because of that , Rules cannot and should not be specific to different groups. You just can't say "it's ok for you, but not for you", so rules have to apply to all-that is the only fair way. TV has pools that are specifically designated for water exercise, and the neighbor pools are not designated for water exercise or sports. So why would you want to do exercise in the little neighbor pools when you have a nice big pool for exercise. People who just want to laze around and quietly enjoy the pool cannot go to the sports pools and demand that the people who are there to exercise have to stop so they can enjoy the quiet.





Sorry, it was an introductory sentence.. what I meant to convey is probably most would not generally complain if an isolated individual was doing some water exercises on the side of the pool....but, the real issue (which I supported in my post) seems to be that group water aerobics are being conducted in the adult pools, and I agree the rec staff should put a stop to this.


No problem :laugh:





BTW, I think Mr Rohan's answer was totally wishy-washy. I totally agree with some of the previous posters who say we need employees in TV who have the authority to actually make decisions.

[jaringg]

Why is there such a stink about a group of friends being at a pool at the same time?
I have seen many groups at the pools, clowning around, without bothering anyone. No one seems to care about this.
Who is behind the complaints and what is the reaason?

[graciegirl]

That should take care of the problem. It would also mean that friends gathering at the pools would not be possible. Many neighood groups gather at pools for fun and enjoyment. GONE, would be subject to to LAW inforcement. Most residents are not early risers and don't use the pools until the sun is high.

Hi there. Did you just return?

[jaringg]

no, have been here, just interested as to why all the stink.

[Barefoot]

Why is there such a stink about a group of friends being at a pool at the same time? I have seen many groups at the pools, clowning around, without bothering anyone. No one seems to care about this.
Who is behind the complaints and what is the reaason?

Have you read all the previous posts? They pretty much answer your questions.
(This thread has been inactive since June, so not a lot of recent comments.)

[BonnieF]

I go to a neighborhood pool three times a week for one hour 9-10. There are probably 30 or so of us who enjoy exercising together. Are 30 people going to be inconvenienced because of one or two, if that, who might swim at that hour? It is our neighborhood, we like to exercise, why would we want to travel and wait in lines for entrance at a sports pool where you can't visit, there is no place to sit. I mean really, 3 hours from 9-10 in the morning?? We pay the same fees to live here and to have access to the pools. How about if we all worry about something more important than elderly people who enjoy each others company and like to exercise for 3 hours a week? That leaves a whole lot of time for all the complainers to swim and enjoy themselves. Has anyone ever checked how many people are at any of the pools at 9:00?

[Northwoods]

My husband and I go to the neighborhood pool with water weights... we stand in one place and do arm exercises. Well, I guess that's out... because that's considered exercise. I will also tell the people in our neighborhood pool who walk to get some exercise while we are all talking to go to the sports pool... because exercise isn't allowed. Really?? If there was a "class" in our pool I'd probably love to join them. If not, I would ignore them.

[maryanna630]

I find it amazing that people move here, agree to the rules and then decide to break the rules yet chastise those who comply. What is it about restrictions that you don't understand? Why are the rules only for others?

[sunnyatlast]

I go to a neighborhood pool three times a week for one hour 9-10. There are probably 30 or so of us who enjoy exercising together. Are 30 people going to be inconvenienced because of one or two, if that, who might swim at that hour? It is our neighborhood, we like to exercise, why would we want to travel and wait in lines for entrance at a sports pool where you can't visit, there is no place to sit. I mean really, 3 hours from 9-10 in the morning?? We pay the same fees to live here and to have access to the pools. How about if we all worry about something more important than elderly people who enjoy each others company and like to exercise for 3 hours a week? That leaves a whole lot of time for all the complainers to swim and enjoy themselves. Has anyone ever checked how many people are at any of the pools at 9:00?

"Are 30 people going to be inconvenienced because of one or two, if that, who might swim at that hour?"

Yes, because this is taking over a pool and bullying out individuals who want to swim and relax, not be pushed around by playground bullies.

What brazen GALL!

[zonerboy]

I go to a neighborhood pool three times a week for one hour 9-10. There are probably 30 or so of us who enjoy exercising together. Are 30 people going to be inconveni enced because of one or two I mean really, 3 hours from 9-10 in the morning

The point is very simple. If one person, or a group of persons, is permitted to ignore the rules, then any other person, or group of persons has to be allowed to ignore the rules as well.
So another group of 30 buddies decides they want to use the neighborhood adult pool for water aerobics as well, from 9 to 10 on the days the first group is not using the pool. Next a couple of men's water volleyball teams decides they'd like to use the same pool for practice sessions since times available at the sports pool are not convenient. So they set up a net and occupy the pool daily from noon til 1 pm. Then some grandparents decide to bring their preschool grandchildren to the adult pool because it's much closer than the designated family pool. Who could object, cause it's only 2 kids and they're only here one week/year.
And so on and so forth. The concept of a neighborhood adult pool for relaxing is totally lost.
Don't really understand why the special people find this so difficult to understand.

[gfredhead]

With the many groups having water aerobics in even more neighborhood pools than you have mentioned, it is estimated that over 300 or more residence each morning are participating in these neighborhood pool activities, and I am one of them! maybe think of the 300 over yourself and YOU having to miss an hour of pool time for yourself in the early morning. YOU have the rest of the day to use the pool. Maybe also consider joining in with your fellow villagers, its a lot of fun and you could make a friend or get some exercise.

[OBXNana]

Rules are rules. If you don't like the rules, take whatever action/procedure is needed to change the rules. Breaking the rules, complaining about the rules, and fighting about the rules may be therapeutic, but won't change the fact the rules are in place.

[bfdretired]

Interesting thread....Rules ...some like them some hate them....

I will be a first time renter....
sorts pools,neighborhood pools,family pools....are they all labeled as such?...
how do I know where each type pool is..........is there enough room in each pool for an activity and non activity?.....is there signage stating the rules for each pool..........

I want to believe that most folks in The Villages would follow the rules.

thanks for any info

[asianthree]

Interesting thread....Rules ...some like them some hate them....

I will be a first time renter....
sorts pools,neighborhood pools,family pools....are they all labeled as such?...
how do I know where each type pool is..........is there enough room in each pool for an activity and non activity?.....is there signage stating the rules for each pool..........

I want to believe that most folks in The Villages would follow the rules.

thanks for any info

When you get here get a map it will show neighbor pools, family pools and sports pools are at the regional centers. There will be multiple pools near you

[jaringg]

Like I said yesterday, why all the stink. Some are saying to follow the rules, does any one know all the rules?I seem to remember reading in the local paper that the director said that " there no rules against this"

[graciegirl]

]Like I said yesterday, why all the stink[/B]. Some are saying to follow the rules, does any one know all the rules?I seem to remember reading in the local paper that the director said that " there no rules against this"


Well then, knock yourselves out. Just climb in and take over most of the space in whatever pool that your group is commandeering for that day and hour, three times a week. That is o.k. The rest of us will find somewhere else to go. There are a lot of other things to do and no one is going to challenge a group of 30 people hogging the pool.

I haven't encountered this attitude but I would not like it if I did. I would say...

That stinks."

[OBXNana]

Interesting thread....Rules ...some like them some hate them....

I will be a first time renter....
sorts pools,neighborhood pools,family pools....are they all labeled as such?...
how do I know where each type pool is..........is there enough room in each pool for an activity and non activity?.....is there signage stating the rules for each pool..........

I want to believe that most folks in The Villages would follow the rules.

thanks for any info

We rent our house and in the welcome instructions we send to the guest 3 weeks before arrival, we provide them with this link:
VCDD Recreation (http://www.districtgov.org/departments/Recreation/recreation.aspx)
It may be removed by the moderator, but it's the districtgov.org and relates to recreation. (Thank you Boggie Shooter for your wealth of knowledge and willingness to share with us)

We also print a notebook with all the information we've found, from where to play pickleball, fishing locations, to how to rent a rec center. Ask the person you rented from the questions you have. They can be a wealth of knowledge.

There is signage stating the rules at the pools. We have had the luxury of being in The Villages pools very little, but when there, we have seen someone that is an employee walking around the pool. We found them to be very friendly and more than willing to answer questions.

I know on this site many say the people are grumpy. You will run into grumpy people no matter where you go. We have found the people extremely friendly, helpful, and so willing to help. Ask someone wherever you go if you have a question. I can't promise they will be nice, but try again and you will find the kind soul.

Enjoy yourself and everything The Villages has to offer.

[MikeV]

No comment. Totally worthless thread. Nothing will be settled.

[dillywho]

No comment. Totally worthless thread. Nothing will be settled.

Nothing may be settled as you say, but sometimes it is just as therapeutic to get things that bother you out.

[sunnyatlast]

With the many groups having water aerobics in even more neighborhood pools than you have mentioned, it is estimated that over 300 or more residence each morning are participating in these neighborhood pool activities, and I am one of them! maybe think of the 300 over yourself and YOU having to miss an hour of pool time for yourself in the early morning. YOU have the rest of the day to use the pool. Maybe also consider joining in with your fellow villagers, its a lot of fun and you could make a friend or get some exercise.

These are neighborhood CLIQUES and nothing more. Individuals--especially newcomers--are not going to attempt to barge into a clique gossip session with 30 people packed into swimming space that comfortably fits no more than 12 to 15.

Cliques bullying and running community pools are not what grownups move here for.

For those who want to relax amongst mature adults, if you want to spend a little bit extra, the country club pools upgrade puts you with people who are relaxing quietly and not bothering others with loud talk/gossip, and the behavior at the country club pools is more like it is at vacation resort hotels. That helps to avoid those who are too cheap to pay for the upgrade and arrogantly take over a neighborhood pool.

[Skybo]

The following are descriptions of what each type of pool is intended for. Copied from The Recreation section of Thevillages.com website:

"Our sport pools offer the opportunity for our residents to stay active by swimming, exercising, or participating in a variety of other water sport activities.

Family pools are a favorite hangout when the kids and grand kids are in town. You'll enjoy the sights and sounds as your grandchildren meet and play with other kids their own age.

If peace and quiet are what you're looking for, seek out one of our neighborhood pools, where adults congregate to relax, read a book, or maybe even sneak in a short nap!"

[redwitch]

I gave up on the pools when my grandson was three. He and I were enjoying a FAMILY pool when a large group of adults came in. I was told, very nicely, that they were going to do their morning exercises now and would we mind going to another pool. When I asked the rec person to do something, I got a shrug of the shoulders. So, I quit using the pools. I refuse to let my grandson learn that a group is more important than an individual or that doing the right thing can be countermanded by a majority.

[CFrance]

With the many groups having water aerobics in even more neighborhood pools than you have mentioned, it is estimated that over 300 or more residence each morning are participating in these neighborhood pool activities, and I am one of them! maybe think of the 300 over yourself and YOU having to miss an hour of pool time for yourself in the early morning. YOU have the rest of the day to use the pool. Maybe also consider joining in with your fellow villagers, its a lot of fun and you could make a friend or get some exercise.
Maybe think of following the rules you agreed to in writing over yourself and the 300 others ignoring the rules!

[CFrance]

Nothing may be settled as you say, but sometimes it is just as therapeutic to get things that bother you out.
I wrote to the rec center about the problem, and they gave me a non answer. Apparently they do not want to deal with the rules infraction. If more people complained, as was the case in the dogs vs Tamarind Grove park, they might address the problem. It's a management problem that needs to be addressed from the top. John Rohan's email address is further back in this thread. Make your voice heard!

[springfield]

There is a pool rules sign by our pool that says nothing about group exercises.

I try to go to our small neighborhood pool to use my water weights and do exercises. I am usually the only one from our neighborhood. I often have to stay in a corner to exercise because it is so crowded and gets quite noisy, but that is ok. Most people there come from another village which is fine. I think it is interesting that they have said that their pools are too loud or cliquish.

I suspect that these exercise groups are just neighbors wanting to get together, visit, and exercise to boot. Unless there is posted signage, they aren't doing anything wrong.

[graciegirl]

Nothing personal Gracie, but.....you're saying that multiple people should spend $25,000 - $50,000 apiece because selected individuals choose to disregard the restrictions they agreed to on purchase?

Please see : Is Common Sense Dead? - Talk of The Villages (https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-non-villages-discussion-93/common-sense-dead-117126/)


:angel:


No. That isn't what I said or was even suggesting. I think groups taking over pools is selfish on their part.:wave:


Here is the email address of the head of the recreation department in The Villages.

john.rohan@districtgov.org

[CFrance]

Here is my email to Mr. Rohan:

Dear Mr. Rohan,

A number of neighborhood pools are being used for exercise classes, tying up the pools for an hour or more at a time and making it impossible for the pools to be used for their intended purposes--floating around, relaxing, a little swimming. Many people have become combative when asked to make room for those wanting to use the pools for their intended purpose. Going to these pools' rec center staff and complaining has done no good. They either state there's nothing they can do about it, or they won't do anything about it.

There is a groundswell of dissatisfaction over this practice, and people are being urged to get together and try to get the rec department to enforce the rules at the neighborhood pools, and to have the exercise classes moved to the sports pools where they belong.

If you are a member of Talk of The Villages forum, I urge you to read this thread: https://www.talkofthevillages.com/forums/villages-florida-general-discussion-73/water-aerobics-neighborhood-pools-117062/ It will give you information about which pools are being affected at this time. However, even if you don't read this thread, my request is that you direct your recreational staff at each rec center to ensure that these exercise classes are moved to the sports pools, and enforce the original intent of the neighborhood pools, which is for relaxing and socializing.
Bump

[CFrance]

Here is the email response I got from Mr. Rohan:

"We are looking how to get the residents to mutually respect pool use and intent. We agree the exercise classes should not impede or impact the enjoyment of others to use the neighborhood pools. That's why we designed sports pools."

I urge all of you to email him at the address given in my post above.
Bump

[sunnyatlast]

The following are descriptions of what each type of pool is intended for. Copied from The Recreation section of Thevillages.com website:

"Our sport pools offer the opportunity for our residents to stay active by swimming, exercising, or participating in a variety of other water sport activities.

Family pools are a favorite hangout when the kids and grand kids are in town. You'll enjoy the sights and sounds as your grandchildren meet and play with other kids their own age.

If peace and quiet are what you're looking for, seek out one of our neighborhood pools, where adults congregate to relax, read a book, or maybe even sneak in a short nap!"

What could be more clear than these rules we all signed onto??!!??!!?

We all should write Rohan AND Tutt, quoting these very rules and this thread where bullies think they can rule.

[krash]

Just what do you think that Rohan and company can do to these people exercising? Forbid them entrance to the pool? Fish each individual out with a hook?

I don't see a way to stop it, and I'm sure the Recreation Dept can't figure out how to stop it either. Signs forbidding it? Hah! That's like our street stop signs. Who pays attention to them? Plus, you can be darn sure that each one of these water exercisers is going to say "I pay my amenity fee, I can use the pool as I want"

Just an FYI... I don't care either way this goes... I don't use the pools, I just don't see how to stop it.

[graciegirl]

Just what do you think that Rohan and company can do to these people exercising? Forbid them entrance to the pool? Fish each individual out with a hook?

I don't see a way to stop it, and I'm sure the Recreation Dept can't figure out how to stop it either. Signs forbidding it? Hah! That's like our street stop signs. Who pays attention to them? Plus, you can be darn sure that each one of these water exercisers is going to say "I pay my amenity fee, I can use the pool as I want"


It appears that The Villages official non official policy is to NOT make waves. They haven't done anything about the seat savers and you are right Krash. What can they do? I just hate when people are selfish and arrogant and pushy and uncaring and do what THEY want, the hell with everyone else.

I just hate it. Do you hear me, you bullies?????????

I wouldn't have your job, John Rohan. I am embarrassed and sad that brassy people can walk all over others here.

[dave harris]

If there are pool rules, the following states the penalties for misuse of facilities, of course the appropriate department must take the action.


Penalty for Misuse of Facilities
or Falsification of Information:
If District Management confirms that any
misuse of facilities has occurred or
falsification of information to secure t
he ID has occurred, the following actions will
be taken*.
1. First infraction: A written letter will
be sent to the resident with infraction
details along with a follow up phone ca
ll and/or meeting to discuss the
situation.
2. Second infraction within one (1) year:
The resident’s active Guest ID
cards and/or In-Area Guest ID cards
will be deactivated for a period of six
(6) months. During the six (6) m
onth period, the household (unit/lot)
forfeits its right to be issued any Guest ID cards and/or In-Area Guest ID
cards. The six (6) month time period
will start from date
of deactivation.
After the six (6) month per
iod, the household (unit/lot) will be eligible to re-
apply for Guest ID card and In-Ar
ea Guest ID card privileges.
3. Third infraction within one (1) year:
Guest ID card and In-Area Guest ID
card privileges will be denied for the
household (unit/lot) for one (1) year
from the date of deactivation.
*
If a resident knowingly falsifies the application, the resident will be subject to infraction
number two regardless of infraction history, unless a second infraction has already
occurred, then it will be considered the third infraction

[CFrance]

[QUOTE=BonnieF;947961]I go to a neighborhood pool three times a week for one hour 9-10. There are probably 30 or so of us who enjoy exercising together. Are 30 people going to be inconvenienced because of one or two, if that, who might swim at that hour? It is our neighborhood, we like to exercise, why would we want to travel and wait in lines for entrance at a sports pool where you can't visit, there is no place to sit. I mean really, 3 hours from 9-10 in the morning?? We pay the same fees to live here and to have access to the pools. How about if we all worry about something more important than elderly people who enjoy each others company and like to exercise for 3 hours a week? That leaves a whole lot of time for all the complainers to swim and enjoy themselves. Has anyone ever checked how many people are at any of the pools at 9:00?[/QUOT

]because it Is the rule.

[sunnyatlast]

There's plenty that can be done.

Rec Dept workers can come by and check IDs once an hour and if they see a group of __(4)_ or more (number would have to be determined), scan their ID and tell them they have to get out of the pool or be reported and sanctioned according to the process quoted above.

[krash]

And what happens when the people IN the pool refuse to get out and show there ID's?

As for the Rec Dept workers, a lot of those jobs (those that go around and check ID's) are held by your fellow Villager neighbors. Do you really want to put them in that position, where things can get ugly?

In a different scenario.... there are lane hogs in the sports pools, who really are just there to gab with friends. There's no energy being used, as they waddle slowly back and forth, with only their gums flapping. Do we fish them out with a hook too?

Just as an FYI, I am NOT part of this exercise group and I do not use the pools. I am just giving different scenarios of possible outcomes and looking for your answers.

[raynan]

I think the problem is that they need more sports pools. IMHO they underestimated the amount of people who need water exercise because of our joints wearing out. The sports pools are overcrowded and classes are full.

[tommy steam]

Looks like the villages is becoming a place where I can make my own rules to suite myself.

[dotti105]

I have just spent 40 minutes reading this entire thread and I am amazed and appalled at those who defend this activity.

I will be contacting Mr Rohan. This group aerobics is totally unacceptable for neighborhood pools. The sports pools are beautifully designed and available for this activity. The rules and purposes of each type of pool is very clear.

It is very unfortunate that there are so many people who think the rules only apply to other people. Bullying is bullying and those who don't see themselves as bullies in this situation are simply selfish or ignorant.

The neighborhood pools are too small for any organized aerobic activity. This is simply a clique whose members think that there is safety in numbers and they can out number those there for the intended purpose: Leisure. It is simply inappropriate. Period.

[VT2TV]

And what happens when the people IN the pool refuse to get out and show there ID's?

As for the Rec Dept workers, a lot of those jobs (those that go around and check ID's) are held by your fellow Villager neighbors. Do you really want to put them in that position, where things can get ugly?

In a different scenario.... there are lane hogs in the sports pools, who really are just there to gab with friends. There's no energy being used, as they waddle slowly back and forth, with only their gums flapping. Do we fish them out with a hook too?



Are you really going to refuse a request from someone in a position of authority???? Why would you even think of doing that. Every single person who lives here were told the rules, or that there were rules about usage of certain areas. Why did you move here if you were not going to follow the established rules. If you want to change them, go about it in the proper manner, don't just decide that they don't apply to you. Whether the pools are crowded or busy at a certain time doesn't matter-they are all designated to be quite, relaxing areas for people to just chill, and not be bothered by splashing. From the tone of some people's responses, I have to agree with the poster who talked about bullying. If 30 people were in the pool splashing, doing aerobics, and 10 mins later, someone came into the pool and politely asked them to go to the sports pool, what would you think the responses would be???????? Our "hometown" is getting bigger and bigger, and if people are going to try to change the rules, this is going to turn into our own "me against you" or "us against them" , and no one is going to be happy. I have only been here 4 years, but we didn't have any of this kind of stuff even as recent as then-some upset about seat savers, but that is all I remember. Others may have different memories.




I have just spent 40 minutes reading this entire thread and I am amazed and appalled at those who defend this activity.

I will be contacting Mr Rohan. This group aerobics is totally unacceptable for neighborhood pools. The sports pools are beautifully designed and available for this activity. The rules and purposes of each type of pool is very clear.

It is very unfortunate that there are so many people who think the rules only apply to other people. Bullying is bullying and those who don't see themselves as bullies in this situation are simply selfish or ignorant.

The neighborhood pools are too small for any organized aerobic activity. This is simply a clique whose members think that there is safety in numbers and they can out number those there for the intended purpose: Leisure. It is simply inappropriate. Period.


Totally agree!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[niftynanna]

I agree that the sports pools are designated for water activities, however, the snow birds aren't even here yet and having to go an hr or so early and get a number to stand in line takes all the fun out of it.

[CFrance]

I agree that the sports pools are designated for water activities, however, the snow birds aren't even here yet and having to go an hr or so early and get a number to stand in line takes all the fun out of it.
So that makes it okay for you to take all the fun out of it for the people wishing to use the adult pools for their intended purpose? A lot of posters still are not seeing past themselves and their own wishes, regardless of the rules.

[Barefoot]

The following are descriptions of what each type of pool is intended for. Copied from The Recreation section of Thevillages.com website:

"Our sport pools offer the opportunity for our residents to stay active by swimming, exercising, or participating in a variety of other water sport activities.

Family pools are a favorite hangout when the kids and grand kids are in town. You'll enjoy the sights and sounds as your grandchildren meet and play with other kids their own age.

If peace and quiet are what you're looking for, seek out one of our neighborhood pools, where adults congregate to relax, read a book, or maybe even sneak in a short nap!"

This is a good reminder.

[Susan G]

I agree that the sports pools are designated for water activities, however, the snow birds aren't even here yet and having to go an hr or so early and get a number to stand in line takes all the fun out of it.

Actually the birds ARE here. I attend many of the water aerobics and Aqua SHYNE classes at Lake Miona (and drive a whole 10 mins to get there) instead of going to Seabreeze, which is closer to me, and can get in any of the 9 am classes with no wait. The later classes do have a line so as to check ID's and control entry to resident adults only, and I'm glad they do.

And to any that have knowledge of someone holding classes in The Villages pools and charging for them, please pass that info on to Mr. Rohan - that is truly self-serving and dead wrong!

When I do use the Adult Neighborhood Pool at Tamarind Grove, I know I wouldn't appreciate a class being held there...it's just not the right thing to do.

[applesoffh]

I'm glad to read from so many posters who agree that aquasize classes belong in sports pools and not neighborhood pools. Many people in my community (Charlotte) now go to pools in other Villages because of the situation in our community pool. People love to get their swim in first thing, and simply cannot navigate around the people exercising in the pool. That's not right. We have complained to Community Watch (they are fully aware of the situation but are under no authority to do anything about it), Captiva rec center (the same) and honestly do not believe that Mr. Rohan cares, either. Complaints have been made to no avail. ASs thr snowbirds continue to arrive, the situation will not get any better. I just hope the other Village pools near us don't have this happen! It's just not right.

[CFrance]

Please email Mr. Rohan! It takes a village...

[graciegirl]

Please email Mr. Rohan! It takes a village...

Give us back our pools.

[graciegirl]

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[nitehawk]

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Whats next ----" Sex in the Pools ???" Oh No-- one picture -thousand words

[asianthree]

I am not sure why anyone would want to do a water class in the neighborhood pool. They are too small for any movement. Unless this is the no splash or I can't move class , you would run into too many people durning the class. At sea breeze I was yelled at for splashing cause I am looking for some kind of heart rate change. I was all the way in the back and did not splash any but my splashing made noise.. Go figure

[CFrance]

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Wrong sport!! That looks like water Zumba. Don,t give them any ideas, Gracie!!

[Jbirds99]

I totally agree. We do our aerobics @ the sports pool. Why people chose to break the rules is beyond me.

[Skybo]

In addition to the organized classes, every sports pool has several hours blocked off each day for "open exercise" and "combo swim". During open exercise the entire pool is available for exercising and during combo swim, half of the pool is available for exercising.

These are options for those who don't want to "stand in line" to get into the organized classes during high season.

[Susan G]

In addition to the organized classes, every sports pool has several hours blocked off each day for "open exercise" and "combo swim". During open exercise the entire pool is available for exercising and during combo swim, half of the pool is available for exercising.

These are options for those who don't want to "stand in line" to get into the organized classes during high season.

So true - perfect solution to the problem. That was such an easy and sensible solution - maybe you should forward the idea to Mr. Rohan....

[Whalen]

Please see email sent to Mr. Rohan and his response.


Dear Mr. Rohan,

As you probably know there is a storm brewing over exercise classes being held at the neighborhood pools. And I am also sure you realize we do not have a sufficient number of sport's pools to accommodate our growing population.

I think I might have a way to ease this situation a little. We currently have 18 family pools south of rte 466. These pools are underutilized during most of the year. I suggest 3 days a week each FP be opened for adults only from 7 to 11AM. on alternating days. For example, Truman adult days Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Odell Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. Sundays would be open to families all day,These hours and days are only suggestions but I do think this is something to think about.

Thank you and your staff for a job well done.



Thanks for the suggestion. While there are nine sports pools, we have ample time for scheduling water exercise classes. We encounter this situation from time to time when we open up new areas in our hometown. It really is an expectation, understanding, and function of our facilities and programming that needs to occur. Once we get this alignment in place it will help folks better enjoy their lifestyle.



John Rohan

Director of Recreation

984 Old Mill Run, The Villages, FL 32162

Ph: 352.674.1800 Fax: 352.674.1805

[CFrance]

Please see email sent to Mr. Rohan and his response.


Dear Mr. Rohan,

As you probably know there is a storm brewing over exercise classes being held at the neighborhood pools. And I am also sure you realize we do not have a sufficient number of sport's pools to accommodate our growing population.

I think I might have a way to ease this situation a little. We currently have 18 family pools south of rte 466. These pools are underutilized during most of the year. I suggest 3 days a week each FP be opened for adults only from 7 to 11AM. on alternating days. For example, Truman adult days Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Odell Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. Sundays would be open to families all day,These hours and days are only suggestions but I do think this is something to think about.

Thank you and your staff for a job well done.



Thanks for the suggestion. While there are nine sports pools, we have ample time for scheduling water exercise classes. We encounter this situation from time to time when we open up new areas in our hometown. It really is an expectation, understanding, and function of our facilities and programming that needs to occur. Once we get this alignment in place it will help folks better enjoy their lifestyle.



John Rohan

Director of Recreation

984 Old Mill Run, The Villages, FL 32162

Ph: 352.674.1800 Fax: 352.674.1805




Honest to God, this guy should run for office. That was a non answer if ever I heard one. Thanks for trying, Whalen.

[geritherapist]

I participated in a neighborhood pool exercise group until I saw how much of a violation of the rules it truly is. While the group made every effort to make room for people that just wanted to walk or swim, people have left their designated neighborhood pool frustrated. I agree that we all should follow the rules and share the space appropriately. I also believe that the idea of the family pools being converted for local exercise is a great idea, as most people drive up to the neighborhood pool anyway. There are also better facilities for changing and warming up in the cold weather.

[graciegirl]

Honest to God, this guy should run for office. That was a non answer if ever I heard one. Thanks for trying, Whalen.


You can't get blood out of a turnip, C. It is obvious to me that The official corporate feeling at Sumterinc. is no confrontation and it is as clear to me a policy as The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit used to be. Unwritten rules are there and the higher ups don't like to get into a fracus with the folks who live here..

I kinda like it better than the ugly confrontations from some of our residents. You could NEVER win with some of them.... Never win. I am so glad I had the good sense to be from Ohio. Ohio people are generally polite to you right up to the second before they deck you.

[CFrance]

You can't get blood out of a turnip, C. It is obvious to me that The official corporate feeling at Sumterinc. is no confrontation and it is as clear to me a policy as The Man in the Grey Flannel Suit used to be. Unwritten rules are there and the higher ups don't like to get into a fracus with the folks who live here..

I kinda like it better than the ugly confrontations from some of our residents. You could NEVER win with some of them.... Never win. I am so glad I had the good sense to be from Ohio. Ohio people are generally polite to you right up to the second before they deck you.
Good points.

And remind me to keep my head up the next time I go to Columbus.

[Laurie2]

Please see email sent to Mr. Rohan and his response.


Dear Mr. Rohan,

As you probably know there is a storm brewing over exercise classes being held at the neighborhood pools. And I am also sure you realize we do not have a sufficient number of sport's pools to accommodate our growing population.

I think I might have a way to ease this situation a little. We currently have 18 family pools south of rte 466. These pools are underutilized during most of the year. I suggest 3 days a week each FP be opened for adults only from 7 to 11AM. on alternating days. For example, Truman adult days Monday, Wednesday, Friday, Odell Tuesday, Thursday, Saturday. Sundays would be open to families all day,These hours and days are only suggestions but I do think this is something to think about.

Thank you and your staff for a job well done.



Thanks for the suggestion. While there are nine sports pools, we have ample time for scheduling water exercise classes. We encounter this situation from time to time when we open up new areas in our hometown. It really is an expectation, understanding, and function of our facilities and programming that needs to occur. Once we get this alignment in place it will help folks better enjoy their lifestyle.



John Rohan

Director of Recreation

984 Old Mill Run, The Villages, FL 32162

Ph: 352.674.1800 Fax: 352.674.1805





Whalen,

Thank you for trying to start a conversation that could solve a problem.

I think you have put forth a really good idea for a way to accommodate more water aerobics classes by scheduling time to be shared in the family pools. Your idea could make optimum use of the facilities without literally or figuratively stepping on anybody's toes. The grandkids should know the sharing drill, and besides, the kids still would have plenty of pool time.

I do not understand Mr. Rohan's answer. I read it three times. It makes no sense. Should I question my own reading comprehension ability -- or his?

It seems like he might have completely missed the point you are making about the family pools and thinks you are talking about the regional sports pools. :shrug:

You have made such a reasonable suggestion. It should not be ignored. It is worth looking into.

Note: I just noticed that when Whalen's post is quoted, it is difficult to read the part written by Mr. Rohan. This is a long thread. The reference point for this is Post 133.

[CFrance]

Laurie 2, you hit the nail on the head. Mr. Rohan's response was a non-response. Read Gracie's reply to my post above. They do not want to address the situation. It just bugs me that they set these rules up and then don't enforce them because they don't want to make anyone mad.

Once again the squeaky wheel gets the oil. If enough people complained loudly enough, I believe they would be forced to do something about it. JMO

[applesoffh]

To all the wonderful folks who have tried to approach Mr. Whalen about this nonsense, and to Graciegirl, who offered to help out in a more personal way, I want to thank you all. As you can see from Mr. Rohan's non-response, the powers that be have absolutely no intention of doing anything. Their inaction in this, and other matters I've seen on TOTV over the years, is the reason people like me stop getting involved in having wrongs addressed. This is still a great place to live and I wouldn't move, but the bloom is off the rose for me.

[CFrance]

I'm sorry, applesoffh. It is such a shame that the rule breakers and bullies get their way.

[handyman]

If no one else will address this problem then I say get your neighbors in large numbers to go where these infractions are occurring and tell them they are not welcome,bullies do not care for sheep with teeth!

[sunnyatlast]

Laurie 2, you hit the nail on the head. Mr. Rohan's response was a non-response. Read Gracie's reply to my post above. They do not want to address the situation. It just bugs me that they set these rules up and then don't enforce them because they don't want to make anyone mad.

Once again the squeaky wheel gets the oil. If enough people complained loudly enough, I believe they would be forced to do something about it. JMO

That was the most nonsensical and appeasing non-answer I've ever seen. A hundred times more useless as the famous answer of the 90s, "it depends on what the meaning of 'is' is"!! :0000000000luvmyhors

Reminds me of "An appeaser is one who feeds a crocodile, hoping it will eat him last" --W. Churchill

[OBXNana]

I'm not certain everyone one in The Villages is aware of the fact groups can't get together to do water aerobics. The Village Transportation dropped us off at Sumter Landing on Sunday and a taxi was waiting to take us to our villa. The driver was great, friendly, personable, and we picked his brain for any information we could get from a Villager. We're newbies and love to ask questions. He was telling us he was thinking about joining his neighbors in the neighborhood pool to do aerobics 3 mornings a week.

My husband looked at me, I got the look, and knew to keep my mouth shut. Is anything posted at the pools that this activity is not permitted? We've only been to the family pool and it may be posted at the neighborhood pools, but don't remember seeing the information at the family pool that aerobics are not permitted.

[applesoffh]

I'm not certain everyone one in The Villages is aware of the fact groups can't get together to do water aerobics. The Village Transportation dropped us off at Sumter Landing on Sunday and a taxi was waiting to take us to our villa. The driver was great, friendly, personable, and we picked his brain for any information we could get from a Villager. We're newbies and love to ask questions. He was telling us he was thinking about joining his neighbors in the neighborhood pool to do aerobics 3 mornings a week.

My husband looked at me, I got the look, and knew to keep my mouth shut. Is anything posted at the pools that this activity is not permitted? We've only been to the family pool and it may be posted at the neighborhood pools, but don't remember seeing the information at the family pool that aerobics are not permitted.

What a good point! I will email Mr. Rohan and see what kind of a response I get, and will be sure to post it, also.

Thank you, and welcome to The Villages!

[VT2TV]

Maybe 1 solution is to get together a big group of friends, and have everyone meet at the pools where the aerobics are going on about 15 mins before the "violators" arrive, and be in the pool just floating or talking. If any of the violators say anything about doing their aerobics, show them the Rec ccenter newspaper that you conveniently have brought that says exercising must be done at the sports pool. Be very sweet!!!!! If they get in the pool, just stay in the pool, spread out and ignore them. You have to have a lot of room to do water aerobics. Also have a friend on deck with a camera to take pictures, expecially if you are afraid of confrontation. No one will probably make a scene if they are on camera. If things even start to get a little heated , stay in the pool, just swimming around, and have someone call Community Watch--not that they would do anything, but would be a good witness. Obviously, if things actually got ugly, nothing is worth getting hurt over. If everyone is ok, do the same thing for a while until they get the message.

[Barefoot]

Maybe 1 solution is to get together a big group of friends, and have everyone meet at the pools where the aerobics are going on about 15 mins before the "violators" arrive, and be in the pool just floating or talking. If any of the violators say anything about doing their aerobics, show them the Rec ccenter newspaper that you conveniently have brought that says exercising must be done at the sports pool. Be very sweet!!!!! If they get in the pool, just stay in the pool, spread out and ignore them. You have to have a lot of room to do water aerobics. Also have a friend on deck with a camera to take pictures, expecially if you are afraid of confrontation. No one will probably make a scene if they are on camera. If things even start to get a little heated , stay in the pool, just swimming around, and have someone call Community Watch--not that they would do anything, but would be a good witness. Obviously, if things actually got ugly, nothing is worth getting hurt over. If everyone is ok, do the same thing for a while until they get the message.

That seems like a lot of work and emotional turmoil to "teach the water aerobic folks a lesson".
If I find a pool is busier than I like, I just find another nearby adult pool where I can relax.
We have so many pool choices in Lala Land.

[graciegirl]

That seems like a lot of work and emotional turmoil to "teach the water aerobic folks a lesson".
If I find a pool is busier than I like, I just find another nearby adult pool where I can relax.
We have so many pool choices in Lala Land.

That is what I would do. BUT...

I MIGHT think about leaving a sign on my chair that said..

I left because all of you are pool hogs.

[rubicon]

This is my first post here and it seems that those in authority seem to take the same approach with all amenities primarily one of self-policing which in my view is pitting residents against each other.

The ambassadors on the executive courses do little to keep play moving

the monitors at pools seem to do little to solve problems there.

some say common sense should prevail but what if common sense tells me that since there is a waiting list for aerobics at sports pools starting an aerobics class at other pools solves my problem.

And of course we can find other examples at the RecCenters

common sense however tells others that these are social pools to be enjoyed by everyone and now we have people who are hogging the pool...........

The amenities issue is only going to get worse as build out proceeds.

[graciegirl]

This is my first post here and it seems that those in authority seem to take the same approach with all amenities primarily one of self-policing which in my view is pitting residents against each other.

The ambassadors on the executive courses do little to keep play moving

the monitors at pools seem to do little to solve problems there.

some say common sense should prevail but what if common sense tells me that since there is a waiting list for aerobics at sports pools starting an aerobics class at other pools solves my problem.

And of course we can find other examples at the RecCenters

common sense however tells others that these are social pools to be enjoyed by everyone and now we have people who are hogging the pool...........

The amenities issue is only going to get worse as build out proceeds.

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It may not get better but the build out will bring the same amount of NEW pools and rec centers to the new population so it shouldn't be worse..

I have a problem with people here unlike ANY I have met in my life who think they can save chairs and hog the pools. Who or what made them so arrogant and selfish?

[VT2TV]

That seems like a lot of work and emotional turmoil to "teach the water aerobic folks a lesson".
If I find a pool is busier than I like, I just find another nearby adult pool where I can relax.
We have so many pool choices in Lala Land.




First, it is not necessarily an effort to teach any one a "lesson". People were asking about how to regain the opportunity to use the pools as they were intended. Some suggested that maybe the people didn't know that they were not supposed to be doing exercises in the neighborhood pools. They had already tried all the appropriate routes, so I offered a suggestion that hopefully would have been acceptable. If we say nothing when people are doing wrong, then we accept what we get. I don't use the pools myself, was just trying to help.

[lilibet]

I am new to TV and have occasionally used my neighborhood pool. I prefer the early hours when few folks are present. Those who are do their own brand of exercise, use their own water weights and take up little space. I have heard about this issue and some of my new friends at my NP have said they are very much upset by it and should it happen at out NP they would put up a fight. I have also been told that in one case it is suspected that the 'instructor' receives payment. In another instance I have been told (second hand) that there has been some physical contact. This is really distressing and give TV a bad name, which I hope does not spread. I noticed that at the pools there is a large sign displaying pool rules which indicates activity, equipment and permitted occupancy. No more than 52 people are permitted in a pool at on time though I do not know how this is enforced. It sounds as if it is not enforced based on some of the comments. I view this not as an effort to accommodate but as a weakness. In reading the recreation news I noticed that in order to participate in exercise activities at SP a person must have a signed waiver to participate in organized water activities. Though I am not a lawyer I imagine this is to address any problem with liability (we are older and sometimes exertion can be a problem). Would not the issue of liability apply to any of these 'organized' activities at the neighborhood pools since they are not sanctioned by TV and since they seem not to be interested in managing activities on TV property?

[old moe]

:icon_bored::icon_bored: Enough already!! I can't believe 16 pages on this subject??? Go for a swim and COOL OFF!!::Screen_of_Death:

[MikeV]

:icon_bored::icon_bored: Enough already!! I can't believe 16 pages on this subject??? Go for a swim and COOL OFF!!::Screen_of_Death:

:BigApplause::mademyday::agree:

[tommy steam]

One day this pool situation will turn to a physical confrontation and maybe someone will be hurt. It's not up to villagers to 'self police' to enforce the rules. A rule broken,ceases to be a rule.

[CFrance]

I am new to TV and have occasionally used my neighborhood pool. I prefer the early hours when few folks are present. Those who are do their own brand of exercise, use their own water weights and take up little space. I have heard about this issue and some of my new friends at my NP have said they are very much upset by it and should it happen at out NP they would put up a fight. I have also been told that in one case it is suspected that the 'instructor' receives payment. In another instance I have been told (second hand) that there has been some physical contact. This is really distressing and give TV a bad name, which I hope does not spread. I noticed that at the pools there is a large sign displaying pool rules which indicates activity, equipment and permitted occupancy. No more than 52 people are permitted in a pool at on time though I do not know how this is enforced. It sounds as if it is not enforced based on some of the comments. I view this not as an effort to accommodate but as a weakness. In reading the recreation news I noticed that in order to participate in exercise activities at SP a person must have a signed waiver to participate in organized water activities. Though I am not a lawyer I imagine this is to address any problem with liability (we are older and sometimes exertion can be a problem). Would not the issue of liability apply to any of these 'organized' activities at the neighborhood pools since they are not sanctioned by TV and since they seem not to be interested in managing activities on TV property?
You just may have hit upon the one thing that would get the Developer's/Rec Department's attention--liability.