Woman at pavilion incident wants jury trial

[Villages PL]

It seems like I read about this several days ago and I thought it was over and done with. But last night I heard about it again from, of all places, a California talk show. And the host of the show said that the woman is asking for a Jury trial.

The woman and her lover were charged with having an "intimate" encounter at the Market Square Pavilion.

You may consider this to be too negative and not want to talk about it, but if they are talking about it in California, and the show is broadcast nationally, it may become a bigger than expected story.

This may actually be good publicity for The Villages because it provides further evidence of how we are an active adult community.

[Taltarzac725]

It seems like I read about this several days ago and I thought it was over and done with. But last night I heard about it again from, of all places, a California talk show. And the host of the show said that the woman is asking for a Jury trial.

The woman and her lover were charged with having an "intimate" encounter at the Market Square Pavilion.

You may consider this to be too negative and not want to talk about it, but if they are talking about it in California, and the show is broadcast nationally, it may become a bigger than expected story.

This may actually be good publicity for The Villages because it provides further evidence of how we are an active adult community.

What California show?

She is entitled to a Jury Trial if she wants one. About 50% it seemed of the Jury Pool I was in on May 19, 2014 at the Sumter County Court House was from the Villages or seemed to be from what they were saying. I was summoned for Jury Duty in April of 2014 so I was in the Jury Pool for a case that the defendant plead guilty for avoiding the Jury Trial. The Honorable Circuit Judge Michelle Morley said that this plea saved the court 16 weeks of docket cases. http://www.circuit5.org/c5/judges-and-judicial-officers/judges/sumter-county-judges/michelle-morley-circuit-judge/

Maybe, she wants to plead his case in front of Villagers? Her Judge is supposedly The Honorable Thomas D. Skidmore. http://www.circuit5.org/c5/judges-and-judicial-officers/judges/sumter-county-judges/thomas-d-skidmore-county-judge/

[Villages PL]

What California show?

She is entitled to a Jury Trial if she wants one. About 50% it seemed of the Jury Pool I was in on May 19, 2014 at the Sumter County Court House was from the Villages or seemed to be from what they were saying. I was summoned for Jury Duty in April of 2014 so I was in the Jury Pool for a case that the defendant plead guilty for avoiding the Jury Trial. The Honorable Circuit Judge Michelle Morley said that this plea saved the court 16 weeks of docket cases. Michelle Morley (Circuit Judge) « State of Florida Fifth Judicial Circuit (http://www.circuit5.org/c5/judges-and-judicial-officers/judges/sumter-county-judges/michelle-morley-circuit-judge/)

Maybe, she wants to plead his case in front of Villagers? Her Judge is supposedly The Honorable Thomas D. Skidmore. Thomas D. Skidmore (County Judge) « State of Florida Fifth Judicial Circuit (http://www.circuit5.org/c5/judges-and-judicial-officers/judges/sumter-county-judges/thomas-d-skidmore-county-judge/)


The talk show I referred to is "The Andy Dean Show". It's on from 7 to 9 pm. and is broadcast out of California.

I think she claims that too much is being made of what happened. And that may be true. To ask for a jury trial, she must be confident of winning. I wish her good luck.

What if someone actually did something like that and then claimed in court that it represents "freedom of speech."

[Bogie Shooter]

It seems like I read about this several days ago and I thought it was over and done with. But last night I heard about it again from, of all places, a California talk show. And the host of the show said that the woman is asking for a Jury trial.

The woman and her lover were charged with having an "intimate" encounter at the Market Square Pavilion.

You may consider this to be too negative and not want to talk about it, but if they are talking about it in California, and the show is broadcast nationally, it may become a bigger than expected story.

This may actually be good publicity for The Villages because it provides further evidence of how we are an active adult community.

Whats to talk about, the subject was covered completely on another thread?

[Villages PL]

Whats to talk about, the subject was covered completely on another thread?

The next time I think of starting a thread I'll check with you first.

[rubicon]

We all view events through different lenses. In my view this story is getting attention because it happened in a retirement community and The Villages to boot. This sort of thing happens everywhere. I view the attention as very negative and bad for this community. why aren't these news station/papers talking about the charity work being done by residents, the mentoring, etc.

It is running along the same lines as Blechmann's Leisureville.

Anyone taking pleasure in this incident is doing the people involved a disservice as well as this community because clearly 99.99 of the residents of this community are good human beings.

People pushing this agenda themselves have some serious problems.

[Patty55]

The talk show I referred to is "The Andy Dean Show". It's on from 7 to 9 pm. and is broadcast out of California.

I think she claims that too much is being made of what happened. And that may be true. To ask for a jury trial, she must be confident of winning. I wish her good luck.

What if someone actually did something like that and then claimed in court that it represents "freedom of speech."

She would be right in saying too much is being made of this.

Freedom of speech? Guess that depends what was being said, did she recite the Emancipation Proclimation? I'd go with my constitutional right to operate a theater.

[NottaVillager]

It's her right to ask for one..according to other stories she's obtained the services of a lawyer and I'm guessing the mouthpiece thinks the chances are better with a jury. Why does anybody here care?

[Bogie Shooter]

It's her right to ask for one..according to other stories she's obtained the services of a lawyer and I'm guessing the mouthpiece thinks the chances are better with a jury. Why does anybody here care?

That is a good point. This story was hashed over many times on the other thread and now we have new one so all those folks can repeat their guesses here. Who cares is right!

And posters are concerned it is getting natipnal attention and the Andy Dean show is mentioned. Here is an interesting fact about this show.
Dean’s program airs nationally in Premiere Radio Networks syndicated ‘Big 4’ lineup with Glenn Beck (9AM-12PM-ET), Rush Limbaugh (12-3PM-ET), Sean Hannity (3-6PM-ET), and Dean (6-9PM-ET).[
Wekipedia.

[The Mountaineer]

If you think you'll lose with only a judge, you ask for a jury. Maybe enough of the other residents of The Villages will be sympathetic to her cause. O.J. Simpson was freed because he got a jury that didn't buy the prosecution's presentation, which was pretty inept. I've also read that The Villages is No. 1 nationally in STDs per capita. Any proof of that?

[Bogie Shooter]

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[Villages PL]

We all view events through different lenses. In my view this story is getting attention because it happened in a retirement community and The Villages to boot. This sort of thing happens everywhere. I view the attention as very negative and bad for this community. why aren't these news station/papers talking about the charity work being done by residents, the mentoring, etc.

It is running along the same lines as Blechmann's Leisureville.

Anyone taking pleasure in this incident is doing the people involved a disservice as well as this community because clearly 99.99 of the residents of this community are good human beings.

People pushing this agenda themselves have some serious problems.

Sometimes it seems that the only way we know who we are is by listening to those who carefully craft our image. We are told that we are The Friendliest Hometown, The Healthiest Hometown, the most charitable hometown, and the wealthiest hometown etc. And all of that has to be defended, that's the true agenda: Defending an image.

I say, "we are who we are and no one has to prove anything." We are a cross section of America, period.

[onslowe]

We all view events through different lenses. In my view this story is getting attention because it happened in a retirement community and The Villages to boot. This sort of thing happens everywhere. I view the attention as very negative and bad for this community. why aren't these news station/papers talking about the charity work being done by residents, the mentoring, etc.

It is running along the same lines as Blechmann's Leisureville.

Anyone taking pleasure in this incident is doing the people involved a disservice as well as this community because clearly 99.99 of the residents of this community are good human beings.

People pushing this agenda themselves have some serious problems.

Very well said as usual. Let's stop this junior high school playground fascination with two people who have problems. They are not typical of the Villages and I resent this lopsided, prurient portrayal of us. Don't buy into it.

[gerryann]

It's her right to ask for one..according to other stories she's obtained the services of a lawyer and I'm guessing the mouthpiece thinks the chances are better with a jury. Why does anybody here care?

I care because I live here. It's embarrassing. When I first talked of moving here, a lot of friends and family talked of the STD "study"......that was embarrassing as well.

Why do folks feel sorry for this woman?? She chose to remove her clothes in public. She chose to perform sex in public. She chose to drink and drive. So now she's choosing to have a jury which will bring further attention to TV......before too long its gonna be discussed on all the talk shows.

By your name it appears that you do not live here....well I do and its embarrassing......so don't ask why we care.

[rubicon]

Sometimes it seems that the only way we know who we are is by listening to those who carefully craft our image. We are told that we are The Friendliest Hometown, The Healthiest Hometown, the most charitable hometown, and the wealthiest hometown etc. And all of that has to be defended, that's the true agenda: Defending an image.

I say, "we are who we are and no one has to prove anything." We are a cross section of America, period.

Hi VillagesPLThe Friendliest Hometown and Healthiest Hometown are marketing slogans charitable hometown actions support that claim. Wealthiest depends on one's definition of wealth.

speaking from corporate point of view never never would i stand by and let others craft my image. Listening to others concerning criticism about self is a good thing but requires a few rules such as many people leveling the same criticism about you. another is the people themselves (i.e what motivates them?) turning to the hyperbole about The villages scandal just look at who is leveling this criticism and how many actually are.

Again I do not appreciate people who go out of their way to humilate other people. This woman needs counseling and she needs encouragement from friendly people and ridicule

[ssmith]

This subject has been discussed many times in the past and you can search for it at the top of the page under search.

There is proof that it is a lie by looking at the Board of Health reports which list Sumter county as one of the last in terms of STD's.

As a side joke someone said to just say that the Developer made it up to get people to move there hahahahaha.

[Indy-Guy]

We are from the MAKE LOVE NOT WAR era!

[karostay]

She's looking for a Hung Jury

[TheVillageChicken]

Has she bonded out on the probation violation?

[perrjojo]

I have said all of this talk of TV is ridiculous. Thursday night made me begin to scratch my head and wonder. Only it wasn't the old folks. We were at LSL listening to music when about 6 young women who were in same sex relationships began dancing and behaving in a rather provocative manner. I spoke with one of the young women and she introduced her partner as her wife. I have no problem with it being her wife but I did have a problem with their behavior as it was getting a little raunchy. All were obviously rather intoxicated. Then I walked across the street to Panerea when I saw a deputy sheriff running toward a Community Watch representative. The watch rep said there he goes, a bald man in ablue shirt. Then a few minutes later there were EMTs, fire truck, community watch vehicles and law enforcement. A man had caused a disturbance and had to be tasered. In the DAily Sun his age was listed as 51. Thursday was quite a night at LSL.

[Wandatime]

She's looking for a Hung Jury

:1rotfl:

[perrjojo]

I guess this is the place to be if you want to be obnoxious.
Yes, we were having a very pleasant evening and then it all got kinda spoiled by a lot of bad behavior.

[Patty55]

Yes, we were having a very pleasant evening and then it all got kinda spoiled by a lot of bad behavior.

What did the tazered guy do?

[Halibut]

Marketing slogans notwithstanding, the statistic that isn't in question is that TV was the "nation's fastest-growing metro area (http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases/archives/population/cb14-51.html) between 2012 and 2013" according to the Census Bureau. More people = more of everything.

How is it ridicule to discuss this woman's case (and the male participant's, although he has been largely ignored)? It happened. It's news. You can't wish it away. Everyone who tries to shush people and tell them not to talk about it is only adding to the noise. As is getting your hackles up and complaining because the international media has picked up on the story.

I'd personally be interested to see how the trial plays out, because I can't imagine what the defense would be. I don't see how being tipsy is an excuse for breaking the law, although I suppose it could be a mitigating factor in sentencing.

[perrjojo]

What did the tazered guy do?
The only thing I know for sure is that a taser put him down and out. He was on the sidewalk across from Bravos Pizza. EMTs were attending him. The Daily Sun reported he has caused a disturbance at LSL but I did not see that disturbance. He then resisted the deputies and tried to flee. That's when they zapped him. I saw as he was fleeing and deputies were in pursuit...then saw him down with everyone around him.

[Bizdoc]

Maybe Court TV will cover it...

[Abster]

Whats to talk about, the subject was covered completely on another thread? I agree. I think it's totally out of control to keep these comments going. The lady used some very poor judgement. WTH knows what's going on in her life and how it's effected her mental state. I seriously doubt the continuous posts and ugliness we are showing towards one of our own neighbors is of any help to her or her loved ones. Get over it people.

[Tweety Bird]

She's looking for a Hung Jury

OMG......hysterical!!!! :BigApplause:

[charlie_marie]

OMG ... I agree !!

[Barefoot]

:thumbup:
I think it's totally out of control to keep these comments going. The lady used some very poor judgement. WTH knows what's going on in her life and how it's effected her mental state. I seriously doubt the continuous posts and ugliness we are showing towards one of our own neighbors is of any help to her or her loved ones. Get over it people.

Yup. :thumbup:

[The Mountaineer]

This subject has been discussed many times in the past and you can search for it at the top of the page under search.

There is proof that it is a lie by looking at the Board of Health reports which list Sumter county as one of the last in terms of STD's.

As a side joke someone said to just say that the Developer made it up to get people to move there hahahahaha.

I like your sense of humor. I guess it's the same people who make up stuff about Mountaineers, huh?

[senior citizen]

It's her right to ask for one..according to other stories she's obtained the services of a lawyer and I'm guessing the mouthpiece thinks the chances are better with a jury. Why does anybody here care?

I care because I live here. It's embarrassing. When I first talked of moving here, a lot of friends and family talked of the STD "study"......that was embarrassing as well.

Why do folks feel sorry for this woman?? She chose to remove her clothes in public. She chose to perform sex in public. She chose to drink and drive. So now she's choosing to have a jury which will bring further attention to TV......before too long its gonna be discussed on all the talk shows.

By your name it appears that you do not live here....well I do and its embarrassing......so don't ask why we care.


You care for all of the right reasons. As would we. More power to you.

My own personal opinion:
Not all the "bad press" or "rumors" can be attributed to the book "Leisureville".

One only has to read TOTV long enough to see that many think of active adult community in a totally different way than another might think of active adult community. It's so obvious why some move there..........vs. the reason others might decide to relocate to a 55+ retirement community. It takes a bit of research to come to a proper conclusion or decision. Unfortunately, the quieter ones rarely speak up........and the blatantly rude ones overpower the meeker ones.........

In reality all communities have a sleezier side, which is usually kept hidden.......we all go about our normal lives without even coming in contact with it.........but in the public squares? That is not quite normal.

[senior citizen]

Sometimes it seems that the only way we know who we are is by listening to those who carefully craft our image. We are told that we are The Friendliest Hometown, The Healthiest Hometown, the most charitable hometown, and the wealthiest hometown etc. And all of that has to be defended, that's the true agenda: Defending an image.

I say, "we are who we are and no one has to prove anything." We are a cross section of America, period.




It's all "MARKETING" another word for advertising or promoting.
Our little town in Vermont, which has done o.k. for the longest time, now has hired a marketing firm to promote our beautiful mountains, our fall foliage (what???), our covered bridges and meandering dirt roads.........our simple way of life. They hired a firm from Denver, Colorado......of all places........to "market Vermont".

You are right........people will judge based on those they come in contact with......the friendly average Joe's.......not the party animals nor the brazen ones acting out in the squares. Public exhibition is a mental issue.

[rubicon]

I have said all of this talk of TV is ridiculous. Thursday night made me begin to scratch my head and wonder. Only it wasn't the old folks. We were at LSL listening to music when about 6 young women who were in same sex relationships began dancing and behaving in a rather provocative manner. I spoke with one of the young women and she introduced her partner as her wife. I have no problem with it being her wife but I did have a problem with their behavior as it was getting a little raunchy. All were obviously rather intoxicated. Then I walked across the street to Panerea when I saw a deputy sheriff running toward a Community Watch representative. The watch rep said there he goes, a bald man in ablue shirt. Then a few minutes later there were EMTs, fire truck, community watch vehicles and law enforcement. A man had caused a disturbance and had to be tasered. In the DAily Sun his age was listed as 51. Thursday was quite a night at LSL.

perrjojo: what you describe above is very very disturbing and is going to have a real negative effect. What concerns me as much is that several posts followed yours and I am the only one who responded. If there isn't better policing the town squares won't be fit for family visits

I am asking myself exactly what kind of people is The Villages attracting?

[SantaClaus]

There seems to be an epidemic of over-editing quotes in this thread so that they loose the attribution, and therefore the ability to track it back to the original post. Please be cautious when excerpting a quote.

[manaboutown]

If this case goes to a jury trial not only will it burn a lot of taxpayer money but it will no doubt be well publicized by the media. Such a threat of exposure might convince the prosecution to think twice before proceeding. Else, The Villages might become known world wide as "America's Horniest Hometown" or as a "A Sexually Active Adult Community"

Might not this request be viewed as a tactic by the defense to abort any further consideration of prosecution?

[CFrance]

If this case goes to a jury trial not only will it burn a lot of taxpayer money but it will no doubt be well publicized by the media. Such a threat of exposure might convince the prosecution to think twice before proceeding. Else, The Villages might become known world wide as "America's Horniest Hometown" or as a "A Sexually Active Adult Community"

Might not this request be viewed as a tactic by the defense to abort any further consideration of prosecution?
It's her right. If you're going to arrest them, they get to defend themselves in whatever way the justice system allows.

[The Mountaineer]

if this case goes to a jury trial not only will it burn a lot of taxpayer money but it will no doubt be well publicized by the media. Such a threat of exposure might convince the prosecution to think twice before proceeding. Else, the villages might become known world wide as "america's horniest hometown" or as a "a sexually active adult community"

might not this request be viewed as a tactic by the defense to abort any further consideration of prosecution?

quite possible. The best way to shut down political attacks is to threaten to reveal the same sins about the attacker.

[CFrance]

Sorry, my bad. I'm a member of other forums where this occurs somewhat regularly due to user error; where folks excerpt portions of quotes to respond to, instead of quoting the whole thing.
My bad too. I got the wrong person. Very confusing, the quote attributes at the top in non-bold, followed by the bold quotes in the green part. Sigh.

[Halibut]

Originally Posted by Abster
I think it's totally out of control to keep these comments going. The lady used some very poor judgement. WTH knows what's going on in her life and how it's effected her mental state. I seriously doubt the continuous posts and ugliness we are showing towards one of our own neighbors is of any help to her or her loved ones. Get over it people.

Would you want to know the details if this couple had been arrested for house burglaries, or is it just crimes of a sexual nature that you feel we need to get over? Some people seem to be imposing their own value systems on this woman, i.e., that what she did (but not the man) is so indecent and humiliating that she must somehow be shielded from public comment. I don't see any need to protect either of the accused from the consequences of their alleged actions.