Firemen & EMT's

[PennBF]

How many know and care that The Villages allegedly pay their Fireman and EMT's about 20% LESS than the area's around us. That is why we have a higher turn over of these very valuable skills. I just found out today and was surprisd. When we have needed them for any reason (e.g. replace smoke detectors etc.) they have been proompt and courteous and make you proud they are our firemen or EMT's. I doubt this note will do anything to help them get up to the local standards but at least it brings the terrible treatment to the attention of all readers. Be sure to say thanks when you see them as the least we can give them is appreciation for all that they do and for less rewards than others. :ohdear:

[kittygilchrist]

What does allegedly mean?

[graciegirl]

How many know and care that The Villages allegedly pay their Fireman and EMT's about 20% LESS than the area's around us. That is why we have a higher turn over of these very valuable skills. I just found out today and was surprisd. When we have needed them for any reason (e.g. replace smoke detectors etc.) they have been proompt and courteous and make you proud they are our firemen or EMT's. I doubt this note will do anything to help them get up to the local standards but at least it brings the terrible treatment to the attention of all readers. Be sure to say thanks when you see them as the least we can give them is appreciation for all that they do and for less rewards than others. :ohdear:


Can you PROVE this????

[buggyone]

What are the salaries of firefighters and EMTs in The Villages? What are the salaries for the same positions in Lady Lake and Wildwood?

[graciegirl]

The below information says the average salary of a fire fighter in Florida is $28,000.


Sumter County, FL - Official Website http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Firefighter-l-Florida.html


http://www.indeed.com/salary?q1=Firefighter%2Fparamedic%2Femt&l1=Lake+County,+FL


http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Firefighter-l-Florida.html

[Bogie Shooter]

Source of the following information:
Firefighter EMT Paramedic Salary in The Villages, FL | Indeed.com (http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Firefighter-EMT-Paramedic-l-The-Villages,-FL.html)

Average Firefighter EMT Paramedic Salary

The Villages $67,000
Ocala 70,000
Leesburg 60,000
Lady Lake 65,000
Wildwood 66,000

Just the average doesn't consider staffing levels or seniority.
A simple Google search will point out the the 20% is bogus.

Are our firefighter's & EMT's underpaid? Your damn right if they are picking me up off my death bed!

[redwitch]

I can't imagine doing their job for $28K. The services they provide are far too valuable and the risks far too high for such a paltry amount. Firefighters and EMTs deserve to earn far, far more and we should all be grateful that they are so dedicated.

As to TV first responders earning less than counterparts, I can't say I've heard this before but it doesn't particularly surprise me. Like many other positions here, the benefits (mainly the Charter School) outweigh the lower salary for so many TV employees. Can't say that is the right thing, but it does seem to be THE thing.

[duffysmom]

I recently spoke to a Firefighter/EMT who told me that he loves working in TV but will be leaving since the pay is much lower than other areas and their pension is miserable. He said there is a big turnover because of this. I found this disturbing since he was a very impressive young man with a great deal of experience. I believe the pension being offered is far below other areas.

[Bogie Shooter]

I recently spoke to a Firefighter/EMT who told me that he loves working in TV but will be leaving since the pay is much lower than other areas and their pension is miserable. He said there is a big turnover because of this. I found this disturbing since he was a very impressive young man with a great deal of experience. I believe the pension being offered is far below other areas.

Is this just a guess or do you have some data to support your statement?

[graciegirl]

Source of the following information:
Firefighter EMT Paramedic Salary in The Villages, FL | Indeed.com (http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Firefighter-EMT-Paramedic-l-The-Villages,-FL.html)

Average Firefighter EMT Paramedic Salary

The Villages $67,000
Ocala 70,000
Leesburg 60,000
Lady Lake 65,000
Wildwood 66,000

Just the average doesn't consider staffing levels or seniority.
A simple Google search will point out the the 20% is bogus.

Are our firefighter's & EMT's underpaid? Your damn right if they are picking me up off my death bed!






HEY....you guys are getting to be like a certain poster who only reads the first post. I think Bogie provided us with the answer above.




Florida's average firefighter pay is $28K And The Villages average firefighter pay is $67K

[red tail]

How many know and care that The Villages allegedly pay their Fireman and EMT's about 20% LESS than the area's around us. That is why we have a higher turn over of these very valuable skills. I just found out today and was surprisd. When we have needed them for any reason (e.g. replace smoke detectors etc.) they have been proompt and courteous and make you proud they are our firemen or EMT's. I doubt this note will do anything to help them get up to the local standards but at least it brings the terrible treatment to the attention of all readers. Be sure to say thanks when you see them as the least we can give them is appreciation for all that they do and for less rewards than others. :ohdear:

its no different than the corporate world. some companys pay more than others for the same work. the only place where everyone is the same is in the communist world. so whars your point?

[getdul981]

Where we came from, the Rescue Squads were all volunteer for many years. My wife and I were both Cardiac-EMT's and ran calls for $0.00. Talk equal pay for equal work!!

[spk7951]

The last job posting I saw for a Villages Firefighter position listed a starting salary in the $39,000 per year range but I do not remember if the medical requirement was for an EMT or Paramedic. Overtime surely could bring that figure higher.

I do recall Janet Tutt mentioning, I think earlier this year, that a study was being done to look at pay differences of all district employees due to the high turnover ratio.

[mulligan]

A simple vote to be represented by a strong union could correct that right now.

[GaryW]

I live right beside 2 of The Villages Firemen. I have never heard them say anything about it. I know they are very hard working and have been on the Fire Dept for awhile now. Seem like they are happy, but we do not talk about how much they make and stuff like that.

I am sure with most Public Service Jobs they are underpaid for what they could face in a fire.

As with a very good friend of mine that works for the Florida Highway Patrol. I know he is underpaid, I know what he makes and I would not do that job for that,. He loves law enforcement and helping people, so he puts up with it. It was his lifes dream. The only way he makes good money is to work overtime or do special details like escorting trucks and events on his time. They get paid good to do that.
But I would question someone voicing that out to just anyone,, you have not clue what is real or maybe lets say stretched somewhat....

Just a thought. :coolsmiley:

[Average Guy]

HEY....you guys are getting to be like a certain poster who only reads the first post. I think Bogie provided us with the answer above.




Florida's average firefighter pay is $28K And The Villages average firefighter pay is $67K


If you use the link that provided the $28K for FL firefighters, it shows that The Villages average for firefighters is $30K.

The $67K average for FL is not just for firefighters. It is also includes EMT and paramedics.

One explanation for the low average for firefighters would be if there are a number of part time firefighters. Their annual salaries would obviously bring down the average.

----Just trying to live up to my title as "Average Guy."

[HMLRHT1]

My son in-law works as a ff/medic in Polk County. He told me that he gets 49k as a base salary and he has been with them for 10 years. I read that report on Indeed.com and further down it states the same pay. 49k. All firefighters in The Villages have to become EMTs at a minimum. So their starting pay will be less than the 49k. But that seems to be about the norm in the county and small dept pay scale. Large cities like Orlando or Miami or Tampa probably pay more.

[jbdlfan]

Is this just a guess or do you have some data to support your statement?

My guess regarding pensions is that a FF/EMT with TV receives TV retirement plan. It pales in comparison to the state pension fund for FF, teachers or other public employees. This is the same reason many teachers work for TV for a period of time but then return to the state plan.

And yes, I know for a FACT that TV 401K is week comparatively. Spouse has TV, I have state.

[jbdlfan]

Like many other positions here, the benefits (mainly the Charter School) outweigh the lower salary for so many TV employees. Can't say that is the right thing, but it does seem to be THE thing.[/QUOTE]

Have been through the negotiation process with them, you 100% accurate on this point. They will make the statement that "we pay a competitive salary with surrounding areas when you consider our "benefits" not found elsewhere. Not saying it's good or bad, but if a parent's focus is only on the school, they have less to bargain with....

[dirtbanker]

Only job I know of that pays a guy while he sleeps...

[kittygilchrist]

Only job I know of that pays a guy while he sleeps...

ER doctors in small hospitals. add that to your list.

[mgm4444]

Find Firefighter Emt Jobs in The Villages, FL | Simply Hired (http://www.simplyhired.com/k-firefighter-emt-l-the-villages-fl-jobs.html)

[GatorFan]

County looks to solve firefighter exodus | Ocala.com (http://www.ocala.com/article/20140223/ARTICLES/140229880)

[Bogie Shooter]

Only job I know of that pays a guy while he sleeps...

Where is the smiley face? Or are you being serious?

[jbdlfan]

There's your answer:

Firefighter/EMT

VILLAGES PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT
3035 MORSE BOULEVARD
THE VILLAGES, FLORIDA 32163

Updated: March 20, 2014

Classification: Firefighter/EMT

Villages Public Safety Department is currently hiring for Firefighter/EMT. National Testing Network (NTN) FireTEAM and a valid CPAT are required for this position. All testing must be completed by April 14, 2014.

Salary Information: $30,900

So this is low comparatively, especially without the state retirement.

[dewilson58]

Have not needed the services of either, but my impression is both groups are great. The firemen did an amazing job on the Pinellas' fire. My hat is off to both groups.

[DangeloInspections]

Well, against my better judgement, I will post. I should bite my tongue, but sometimes I find it hard to.

In my previous life, I was a carrier firefighter/medic/EMS Instructor in New York State. (IAFF Union Local 896).

I loved my job. I think I was paid well, but there were days where I earned my whole pay in 5 minutes. I did and saw things most could not or would not do. I've pulled folks out of burning buildings, cut people out of unrecognizable vehicles, pushed drugs and IV's into people trying to keep them alive, etc,etc.

I loved my job. I worked crazy hours, holidays, etc. Missed birthday parties, etc.....no complaints, as it was the career I chose and I knew the deal.

Yes, I slept at night.....sometimes. There were also nights when I did not, going to one call after another. When a firefighter sleeps, it is always a light sleep. You go from pillow to turnouts in less then a minute, and out the door driving to a fire in less then a minute. You instantly know the address, where it is and the best way to get there. Where to park the rig, where the hydrants are, etc,etc.

It was a great job, as no two days were the same.

So..now I'm retired with a good firefighter pension. I move to Florida. I find out my taxes and cost of living are much less down here. I also meet the local firefighter's and medics. I see many of them are Paramedics. Good. I see they make way less then I did. Sad.

I see my taxes are way less then they were in NY. I guess that is good.....but I'm also smart enough to know that as I get older, my chances of needing a good Paramedic/EMS crew goes up significantly.

So......I think I will support the firefighters and the EMS service and law enforcement.....I KNOW I'll need them some day, and I want them to earn a good living wage. If my taxes need to go up to do that....it's fine with me.

As to the volunteer comment, I support and respect volunteers. I taught hundreds of them and made them EMT's, etc. The fact of the matter is that there is no "free lunch". With the huge population here and the volume of calls, you NEED a paid department. Be careful what you wish for.

The way I see it, a good fire and EMS department is more important then a lot of places money goes down here.....many times the folks who complain about these essential services always seem to find money for going out to that fancy restaurant, greens fees, that new driver, etc, etc. Where are the priorities?

Anyway, sorry for the long post. I know I should stick to answering home inspection questions. I hope I did not offend anyone. When looking at the current state of the world, we are all very blessed.

Respectfully, Frank

[graciegirl]

Source of the following information:
Firefighter EMT Paramedic Salary in The Villages, FL | Indeed.com (http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Firefighter-EMT-Paramedic-l-The-Villages,-FL.html)

Average Firefighter EMT Paramedic Salary

The Villages $67,000
Ocala 70,000
Leesburg 60,000
Lady Lake 65,000
Wildwood 66,000

Just the average doesn't consider staffing levels or seniority.
A simple Google search will point out the the 20% is bogus.

Are our firefighter's & EMT's underpaid? Your damn right if they are picking me up off my death bed!



Bump


I trust Bogie's post. He is a good researcher.
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Average Firefighter EMT Paramedic salaries for job postings in The Villages, FL are 1% higher than average Firefighter EMT Paramedic salaries for job postings nationwide.

[kittygilchrist]

Frank, exactly what would you like me to know, in a nutshell?

[dewilson58]

Well, against my better judgement, I will post. I should bite my tongue, but sometimes I find it hard to.

In my previous life, I was a carrier firefighter/medic/EMS Instructor in New York State. (IAFF Union Local 896).

I loved my job. I think I was paid well, but there were days where I earned my whole pay in 5 minutes. I did and saw things most could not or would not do. I've pulled folks out of burning buildings, cut people out of unrecognizable vehicles, pushed drugs and IV's into people trying to keep them alive, etc,etc.

I loved my job. I worked crazy hours, holidays, etc. Missed birthday parties, etc.....no complaints, as it was the career I chose and I knew the deal.

Yes, I slept at night.....sometimes. There were also nights when I did not, going to one call after another. When a firefighter sleeps, it is always a light sleep. You go from pillow to turnouts in less then a minute, and out the door driving to a fire in less then a minute. You instantly know the address, where it is and the best way to get there. Where to park the rig, where the hydrants are, etc,etc.

It was a great job, as no two days were the same.

So..now I'm retired with a good firefighter pension. I move to Florida. I find out my taxes and cost of living are much less down here. I also meet the local firefighter's and medics. I see many of them are Paramedics. Good. I see they make way less then I did. Sad.

I see my taxes are way less then they were in NY. I guess that is good.....but I'm also smart enough to know that as I get older, my chances of needing a good Paramedic/EMS crew goes up significantly.

So......I think I will support the firefighters and the EMS service and law enforcement.....I KNOW I'll need them some day, and I want them to earn a good living wage. If my taxes need to go up to do that....it's fine with me.

As to the volunteer comment, I support and respect volunteers. I taught hundreds of them and made them EMT's, etc. The fact of the matter is that there is no "free lunch". With the huge population here and the volume of calls, you NEED a paid department. Be careful what you wish for.

The way I see it, a good fire and EMS department is more important then a lot of places money goes down here.....many times the folks who complain about these essential services always seem to find money for going out to that fancy restaurant, greens fees, that new driver, etc, etc. Where are the priorities?

Anyway, sorry for the long post. I know I should stick to answering home inspection questions. I hope I did not offend anyone. When looking at the current state of the world, we are all very blessed.

Respectfully, Frank



Mr. Frank

#1. Thank you for not biting your tongue. [it saved a 911 call ;-) ]

#2. Thank you for your service to our society.

#3. Thank you for selecting TV........I am honored you are here and hope to meet you some day.

#4. Thank you for your post.

#5. Like teachers, we owe these Teams our respect and support.

Thank you Mr. F.

:bigbow:

[graciegirl]

Well, against my better judgement, I will post. I should bite my tongue, but sometimes I find it hard to.

In my previous life, I was a carrier firefighter/medic/EMS Instructor in New York State. (IAFF Union Local 896).

I loved my job. I think I was paid well, but there were days where I earned my whole pay in 5 minutes. I did and saw things most could not or would not do. I've pulled folks out of burning buildings, cut people out of unrecognizable vehicles, pushed drugs and IV's into people trying to keep them alive, etc,etc.

I loved my job. I worked crazy hours, holidays, etc. Missed birthday parties, etc.....no complaints, as it was the career I chose and I knew the deal.

Yes, I slept at night.....sometimes. There were also nights when I did not, going to one call after another. When a firefighter sleeps, it is always a light sleep. You go from pillow to turnouts in less then a minute, and out the door driving to a fire in less then a minute. You instantly know the address, where it is and the best way to get there. Where to park the rig, where the hydrants are, etc,etc.

It was a great job, as no two days were the same.

So..now I'm retired with a good firefighter pension. I move to Florida. I find out my taxes and cost of living are much less down here. I also meet the local firefighter's and medics. I see many of them are Paramedics. Good. I see they make way less then I did. Sad.

I see my taxes are way less then they were in NY. I guess that is good.....but I'm also smart enough to know that as I get older, my chances of needing a good Paramedic/EMS crew goes up significantly.

So......I think I will support the firefighters and the EMS service and law enforcement.....I KNOW I'll need them some day, and I want them to earn a good living wage. If my taxes need to go up to do that....it's fine with me.

As to the volunteer comment, I support and respect volunteers. I taught hundreds of them and made them EMT's, etc. The fact of the matter is that there is no "free lunch". With the huge population here and the volume of calls, you NEED a paid department. Be careful what you wish for.

The way I see it, a good fire and EMS department is more important then a lot of places money goes down here.....many times the folks who complain about these essential services always seem to find money for going out to that fancy restaurant, greens fees, that new driver, etc, etc. Where are the priorities?

Anyway, sorry for the long post. I know I should stick to answering home inspection questions. I hope I did not offend anyone. When looking at the current state of the world, we are all very blessed.

Respectfully, Frank


Thank you for being a good person at your last job and always. I too honor you for your service and for being the decent, ethical and hard working person you are. Thank you for all the good you did, the risks you took and for the dedication that goes far beyond any pay can compensate.

[Bogie Shooter]

Frank, exactly what would you like me to know, in a nutshell?

I thought he said it quite well.

[jbdlfan]

[QUOTE=graciegirl;899131]Bump


I trust Bogie's post. He is a good researcher.
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You seriously accept a post from Indeed as opposed to the actual job listing by the TV????
VILLAGES PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT
3035 MORSE BOULEVARD
THE VILLAGES, FLORIDA 32163

Updated: March 20, 2014

Classification: Firefighter/EMT

Villages Public Safety Department is currently hiring for Firefighter/EMT. National Testing Network (NTN) FireTEAM and a valid CPAT are required for this position. All testing must be completed by April 14, 2014.

Salary Information: $30,900
But hey, choose your sources...............

[DangeloInspections]

Frank, exactly what would you like me to know, in a nutshell?

Well, in a nutshell, I think that those who risk their lives to serve others are entitled to a living wage. When you consider the amount of knowledge those in EMS and Fire need and the stress they must make snap decisions in they deserve more. I know that a 55+ community throws a wrench in my next statement, but in the real world, I think there are benefits when firefighters and cops, etc, can afford to be your neighbors and their kids go to the same schools as your kids do.

As many here know, I want to be totally honest....I am in The Villages everyday working, but when I bought down here I did not know about TV, and bought my home just south of you good people in another 55+ community....so while I work everyday here and really love The Villages, I do not want anyone to think I live here when I actually do not.....It just seems like I do because I am here more then I am home lately....lol.

I hope my last post did not sound unfriendly....it's just that I served in a community where many folks worked hard to "cut that department",etc, always saying "those guys make too much", etc......but we all came into the world naked and choose our paths. Some were jealous of my job, but they too could have taken the test, gone through the fire academy, took the training, etc....and they never saw the parts of the job that were somewhat difficult.

Respectfully, Frank

[CFrance]

Well, against my better judgement, I will post. I should bite my tongue, but sometimes I find it hard to.

In my previous life, I was a carrier firefighter/medic/EMS Instructor in New York State. (IAFF Union Local 896).

I loved my job. I think I was paid well, but there were days where I earned my whole pay in 5 minutes. I did and saw things most could not or would not do. I've pulled folks out of burning buildings, cut people out of unrecognizable vehicles, pushed drugs and IV's into people trying to keep them alive, etc,etc.

I loved my job. I worked crazy hours, holidays, etc. Missed birthday parties, etc.....no complaints, as it was the career I chose and I knew the deal.

Yes, I slept at night.....sometimes. There were also nights when I did not, going to one call after another. When a firefighter sleeps, it is always a light sleep. You go from pillow to turnouts in less then a minute, and out the door driving to a fire in less then a minute. You instantly know the address, where it is and the best way to get there. Where to park the rig, where the hydrants are, etc,etc.

It was a great job, as no two days were the same.

So..now I'm retired with a good firefighter pension. I move to Florida. I find out my taxes and cost of living are much less down here. I also meet the local firefighter's and medics. I see many of them are Paramedics. Good. I see they make way less then I did. Sad.

I see my taxes are way less then they were in NY. I guess that is good.....but I'm also smart enough to know that as I get older, my chances of needing a good Paramedic/EMS crew goes up significantly.

So......I think I will support the firefighters and the EMS service and law enforcement.....I KNOW I'll need them some day, and I want them to earn a good living wage. If my taxes need to go up to do that....it's fine with me.

As to the volunteer comment, I support and respect volunteers. I taught hundreds of them and made them EMT's, etc. The fact of the matter is that there is no "free lunch". With the huge population here and the volume of calls, you NEED a paid department. Be careful what you wish for.

The way I see it, a good fire and EMS department is more important then a lot of places money goes down here.....many times the folks who complain about these essential services always seem to find money for going out to that fancy restaurant, greens fees, that new driver, etc, etc. Where are the priorities?

Anyway, sorry for the long post. I know I should stick to answering home inspection questions. I hope I did not offend anyone. When looking at the current state of the world, we are all very blessed.

Respectfully, Frank
Thank you, Frank. And bless people like you.:bigbow::bigbow:

[jbdlfan]

Well, in a nutshell, I think that those who risk their lives to serve others are entitled to a living wage. When you consider the amount of knowledge those in EMS and Fire need and the stress they must make snap decisions in they deserve more. I know that a 55+ community throws a wrench in my next statement, but in the real world, I think there are benefits when firefighters and cops, etc, can afford to be your neighbors and their kids go to the same schools as your kids do.

As many here know, I want to be totally honest....I am in The Villages everyday working, but when I bought down here I did not know about TV, and bought my home just south of you good people in another 55+ community....so while I work everyday here and really love The Villages, I do not want anyone to think I live here when I actually do not.....It just seems like I do because I am here more then I am home lately....lol.

I hope my last post did not sound unfriendly....it's just that I served in a community where many folks worked hard to "cut that department",etc, always saying "those guys make too much", etc......but we all came into the world naked and choose our paths. Some were jealous of my job, but they too could have taken the test, gone through the fire academy, took the training, etc....and they never saw the parts of the job that were somewhat difficult.

Respectfully, Frank

Dude , you owe no one an explanation or apology. You deserve all that you have earned and much more....

[graciegirl]

Here is yet another salary .


Villages Public Safety Dept. is Hiring � FF/Paramedic

Posted on March 31, 2014 (http://www.laketech.org/careercenter/jobs/health/villages-public-safety-dept-is-hiring-ffparamedic/) by Lake Tech Staff (http://www.laketech.org/careercenter/author/zaharisdlake-k12-fl-us/)



VILLAGES PUBLIC SAFETY DEPARTMENT
3035 MORSE BOULEVARD
THE VILLAGES, FLORIDA 32163
VCDD Public Safety (http://www.districtgov.org/departments/Public-Safety/public-safety.aspx)
Updated: March 20, 2014
Classification: Firefighter/Paramedic
Villages Public Safety Department is currently hiring for Firefighter/Paramedic. National Testing Network (NTN) FireTEAM and a valid CPAT are required for this position. All testing must be completed by April 14, 2014.
Salary Information: $42,653.14
Department Information: Established in 1999, The Villages Public Safety Department (VPSD) is an internationally accredited fire department that challenges the norms and standards within the emergency services community. In our short fourteen year history, we have grown from one fire station with nine firefighters and one fire chief to seven fire stations with eighty-one operations personnel and twelve administrative staff. Villages Public Safety Department protects 36 square miles with a population of approximately 100,000. Our department responds to over 14,000 requests for service annually, with the call types mirroring most fire departments in the United States.
City Information: The Villages is the largest single-site planned retirement community in the United States (at least 80% age 55 and over), spanning over 26,000 acres in three adjoining counties in Central Florida. An hour north of Orlando, The Villages is planned to be home to 2.7 million square feet of commercial buildings and retail tenants. �A� rated charter high school, middle school, and elementary school are provided services by VPSD and the children of VPSD personnel may attend these schools.
The Villages is currently home to approximately 100,000 residents with a projected build out of more than 109,444 by 2017. Over 15,000 people work in The Villages, or for businesses in the thriving community, which has its own newspaper, radio station and television station. Residents living in The Villages have an average income that is almost double the U.S. average and are dedicated to supporting business and community growth.
Population: Approximately 100,000
Job Requirements


Age: 18
US Citizen: Yes
High School Grad/GED: Yes
Valid FLORIDA State Driver�s License: Yes
Ability to Read/Speak English: Yes
Vision: Per NFPA 1582

Academy Certification:


EVOC (Emergency Vehicle Operation Course) 16-hour certificate
CPR Certification
AIDS/HIV (4 hours) training certificate
ACLS or C4 Certification
State of Florida Firefighter II Certification
State of Florida Paramedic Certification
Successful completion of National Testing Network FireTeam Testing and CPAT
FFP1301 Fire Service Hydraulics certification*
FFP1302 Fire Apparatus Operations certification*

*Preference will be given to applicants who have these certifications. Firefighters hired without these certifications must obtain them within one year of the date of hire.
Prior Experience: Qualifying on pre-employment requirements will include clinical knowledge and skills evaluation; oral review panel; acceptable driving record; drug screening and medical examination; tobacco certification; and background reference checks. Candidates must not have any disqualifiers (see below) in background. Work schedule will include evenings, weekends and holidays; rotating shifts.
Probationary Period � 1 Year


Able to successfully complete orientation and probationary performance requirements as conducted by the Department
Able to meet and maintain Department requirements of health, physical and mental condition
Probationary firefighters who self terminate employment with the District will be required to reimburse the District up to $4,000 of the costs incurred in the employment process

Please direct all questions to NTN Customer Support. Do NOT call the department directly. Do NOT fill out the District application. Candidates moving onto the second hiring phase will be invited to fill out the District application at that time. Candidates must fill out the NTN application as part of the testing process. If you have been a Villages Public Safety Department volunteer for at least one year, please add this to the certifications section of the NTN application.
To apply and schedule pre-employment testing (FireTEAM), go to http://www.nationaltestingnetwork.com (http://www.nationaltestingnetwork.com/) and click on FIREFIGHTER JOBS. Select the department and read over all the requirements and if qualified, select a testing location and a time and date for testing on the website calendar. A CPAT can also be scheduled through the website by clicking on the CPAT icon on the main page of the website and then following the instructions. For questions concerning the testing process, please contact NTN Customer Support at 866-563-3882. For updates and new job announcements, �Like� National Testing Network on Facebook.



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[DougB]

How much did they make on their calendar, "Firefighters of the Viilages"?

[kittygilchrist]

Frank, exactly what would you like me to know, in a nutshell?

Let me make clear my comment about the nutshell was to bring more on from Frank....Frank is a favorite person of mine who did a great inspection, and in that short time impressed me as a person of fabulous integrity.

I wanted to know if there was still some tongue biting going on...and maybe some ideas for the public how to support our Public Safety personnel.

[DangeloInspections]

Oh...thank you Kitty for the kind words. That is what I love about my business....I get to meet the most wonderful folks here in The Villages! So many of you are so wonderful, I wish I had many of you as neighbors!

I used to tell folks if they really want to help their local fire department, please don't bury the hydrant in front of their house with snow....keep it shoveled and clear. I guess that advice is not very helpful down here!

Keeping a list of your Meds in an east place to find, like the refrigerator door.

Keeping your house decluttered so crews can get to you and get a guerney into your house easily.

Learn CPR..it's easier then ever now.

Pull over to the right when you see lights and sirens coming. If you don't know what to do, just stop. They will go around you.

Keep your home fire-safe...especially the garage.

If you see then in a supermarket, let them butt ahead in the checkout...they are on duty and the faster they eat the less chance of them being interrupted on a call....

That's all I can think of right now...but it is early and I have not had any coffee yet.

Well, off to The Villages to another inspection! Have a wonderful day folks!

Respectfully, Frank

[buggyone]

Personally, I would say that $42,000 is a mighty good salary for the firefighter job. It is a starting salary that will go higher as they advance.

[SoccerCoach]

How many know and care that The Villages allegedly pay their Fireman and EMT's about 20% LESS than the area's around us. That is why we have a higher turn over of these very valuable skills. I just found out today and was surprisd. When we have needed them for any reason (e.g. replace smoke detectors etc.) they have been proompt and courteous and make you proud they are our firemen or EMT's. I doubt this note will do anything to help them get up to the local standards but at least it brings the terrible treatment to the attention of all readers. Be sure to say thanks when you see them as the least we can give them is appreciation for all that they do and for less rewards than others. :ohdear:

I don't understand. Either they ARE paid less, or NOT. ALLEDGEDLY ???

[Bizdoc]

How much did they make on their calendar, "Firefighters of the Viilages"?

Probably a lot more than would be made by a "Pickleball Players of The Villages" calendar.

[PennBF]

To say I was surprised how little respect and gratitude many of The Villager's give to the Firefighters and EMT's would be an understatement. When your laying on the floor with the initial stroke and you are praying the EMT's get there fast! Or if your house is on fire you pray the firefighters get there fast!. I don't think at that point you would say they are being over paid or don't derserve a competitive salary. How about the ones (we have some in the family) that retire only to find out the years of inhaling smoke, chemicals and fumes have destroyed their lungs or given them serious lung problems? Maybe they should go home at night and not sleep in the Firehouse and if your house is on fire they can drive from Ocala, Leesburg, etc and try to dimish the loss. I guess about $769 a week is fine to raise a family of 4, pay the mortgages, take a vacation, pay insurances, etc. By the way that is how much $40,000 translates to weekly pay.I am sad so many have expressed such lack of respect.
As an aside, "Alleged" means without proof. I don't have sworn statements that have been duly notarized and therefore must say alleged. :shrug:.

[kittygilchrist]

Paramedic Salary | Salary.com (http://www1.salary.com/Paramedic-Salary.html)
According to this site, our salaries are above national average.
I'm grateful as you are. Paramedics airbagged my mother saving her life countless times, and she was also rescued from a fire.

I don't see this community as ungrateful.

[Russ_Boston]

Like any other business in the world, the jobs in the Villages (school, EMT etc) are posted with the salary that is needed to keep the jobs full. Most jobs today do not come with a state or company defined benefit pension plan so that is fading out as time goes on. Many states and cities are drowning from the poorly run and over-generous pensions from their civil service employees. My city in RI went bankrupt (Central Falls - look it up - my dad was a firefighter Captain and I worked there for 7 years during late high school and college) over their firefighter and police pension plans. We've only seen the tip of the iceberg on this subject. Look up pensions in California for example.


I work at TVRH as an RN and yes my pay was low but I took the job for many reasons. Since I started 3 years ago they have made a rather hefty increase in the pay (but still way below averages up north). They did this because we were having trouble getting new staff and they did a competitive market analysis. Now we actually have almost too many nurses on the 1st shift in my department.


I would say that the majority of EMT's that come to the hospital with patients from TV are from Sumter County EMS - not a Villager. I don't think Sumter County EMS are paid by TV. Correct me if I'm wrong.

[kittygilchrist]

fyi...the powers that be...

Public Safety
3035 Morse Boulevard
The Villages, FL 32163

Phone: 352-205-8280
Fax: 352-205-8290
Email Public Safety

Business Hours for Administration:
8am to 5pm, EST
Monday – Friday
Excluding Holidays

[SheilaO]

Mr. Frank

#1. Thank you for not biting your tongue. [it saved a 911 call ;-) ]

#2. Thank you for your service to our society.

#3. Thank you for selecting TV........I am honored you are here and hope to meet you some day.

#4. Thank you for your post.

#5. Like teachers, we owe these Teams our respect and support.

Thank you Mr. F.

:bigbow:
I totally agree!

[TraceyMooreRN]

I was told that an EMT/Paramedic with The Villages was making approx. $9.60 an hour. These are the guys/gals who perform CPR, administer life saving medications on scene, assist Fire Department and are with you in the ambulance on the way to the ER. I happen to know many of these men/women.

I was AMAZED at how little this job paid....I know that the pay scale for Florida is much lower than my previous place (Virginia)...but again surprised.

[kittygilchrist]

CF Emergency Medical Services Admission Information (http://www.cf.edu/departments/instruction/health/ems/info.htm)

Becoming a paramedic takes a year in Florida. It's a quick jump to a decent income. It's less than a beginning teacher makes, but they're all heroes.

[Bonny]

I have had a very scary 2 months. I thank God every day for the EMT's, everyone on the many ambulances I have had to take, the nurses and medics on the ambulance jet to bring me home from St. Maarten. All my Drs. and everyone at the hospitals that took care of me & still are.
They all deserve every penny they make and then some !!! I could never thank any of them enough !

[Average Guy]

Ya know, this being your first post, and me being an oldie at jobs inside institutions, I'm wondering how an employee could get away with such a post. You may not know that your admins can fire you and your computer can be tracked.
since you put your hard work into getting where you are, I'm decidedly skeptical you would throw it away for a spurious, angry post, but apparently you are in the wrong job or you would think of your position before shooting off.

I'm thinking you're not the kind of man I want on the team when I code, me and my privileged lifestyle. Standing over me feeling sorry for yourself.

fyi...the powers that be...

Public Safety
3035 Morse Boulevard
The Villages, FL 32163

Phone: 352-205-8280
Fax: 352-205-8290
Email Public Safety

Business Hours for Administration:
8am to 5pm, EST
Monday � Friday
Excluding Holidays

I am not sure why you posted the contact information, but given that it was 15 minutes after you posted that someone could be fired from their job based on a posting on TOTV, it appears as though you posted so readers could report the poster, villagesff, to his/her superiors. I may or may not agree with what was posted, but it does not seem to me to be something I would report to someone's superiors.

Then you close your post with "Jesus loves me this I know" seems a bit much to me.

[PennBF]

I am happy this is gettting some attention and there may be light at the end of the tunnel to help our Firemen and EMT's. $32,000 a year = $615 a week. These are not retired people they are the young trying to pay the bills and save
your life. They are the ones raising children and trying to have a home with proper insurance and a car. It is a disgrace to reward these wonderful public servants with such a low salary. I personally don't know one of them but see what they do and I want them to be there if we have a medical or fire problem. I hope they get a darn good nights sleep in case they have to come to our aide during the night or during the day. Why not stop by one of the firehouses and just say thanks??:bowdown:

[buggyone]

Just my own personal thought here - I am guessing that the person who wrote the post AS a Villages Fireman IS a "pot stirrer" and is really NOT a Villages Fireman.

I also continue to believe that $42,000 is a good starting salary for a job that requires just a GED or high school education.

[gerryann]

Just my own personal thought here - I am guessing that the person who wrote the post AS a Villages Fireman IS a "pot stirrer" and is really NOT a Villages Fireman.

I also continue to believe that $42,000 is a good starting salary for a job that requires just a GED or high school education.

$42,000 for a job in today's economy is NOT a good starting salary. Maybe you're thinking back to when you were working.
There is a LOT of training hours required to become a fire rescue or EMT. NOT just a "GED" as you put it.

[Hancle704]

As a resident who remembers what it was like when the Sumter County section of the Villages was served by the Oxford Volunteer Fire Department, I am extremely thankful for the Public Safety department that was formed and has grown since its inception. We are fortunate to have this wonderful group of caring, highly skilled professionals that are second to none. Having said that, I think it might be helpful to consider how many applicants there have been for the jobs that have been created due to expansion. How many individuals have been promoted and I would assume have had their salaries increased since the department started? In our economy over the last 10 years how many have been laid off or felt that they did not have job security?

I think it is fair to also ask, how many are able to work second jobs because of the work schedules they have in the department? Some might think it is unfair that people have to work second jobs, but ask teachers who find summer employment and young couples who are willing to take on additional employment to enable them to save for home and car purchases in this economy. This is not unique to the Fire/EMS profession. Ask the folks who chose to serve in the military what kind of salary they receive.

No doubt there are some areas in the US where police and fire employees can put in their 20, earn substantial salaries and enjoy great pensions with medical benefits. The simple fact is, those kinds of jobs are not here, but are in areas where $500k buys you a small home with some big real estate taxes, second rate schools and real long commute times.

[kittygilchrist]

As a resident who remembers what it was like when the Sumter County section of the Villages was served by the Oxford Volunteer Fire Department, I am extremely thankful for the Public Safety department that was formed and has grown since its inception. We are fortunate to have this wonderful group of caring, highly skilled professionals that are second to none. Having said that, I think it might be helpful to consider how many applicants there have been for the jobs that have been created due to expansion. How many individuals have been promoted and I would assume have had their salaries increased since the department started? In our economy over the last 10 years how many have been laid off or felt that they did not have job security?

I think it is fair to also ask, how many are able to work second jobs because of the work schedules they have in the department? Some might think it is unfair that people have to work second jobs, but ask teachers who find summer employment and young couples who are willing to take on additional employment to enable them to save for home and car purchases in this economy. This is not unique to the Fire/EMS profession. Ask the folks who chose to serve in the military what kind of salary they receive.

No doubt there are some areas in the US where police and fire employees can put in their 20, earn substantial salaries and enjoy great pensions with medical benefits. The simple fact is, those kinds of jobs are not here, but are in areas where $500k buys you a small home with some big real estate taxes, second rate schools and real long commute times.

:agree:

[kittygilchrist]

I am not sure why you posted the contact information, but given that it was 15 minutes after you posted that someone could be fired from their job based on a posting on TOTV, it appears as though you posted so readers could report the poster, villagesff, to his/her superiors. I may or may not agree with what was posted, but it does not seem to me to be something I would report to someone's superiors.

Then you close your post with "Jesus loves me this I know" seems a bit much to me.

Jesus loves me" is not part of the post, it's a signature that (I think) used to show up under the avatar. Maybe they've all been moved, if so, I'll change it to avoid confusion.

I did not post the contact information for anyone to report, otherwise I'd have done that myself. Frankly, I hoped to back the individual off from further posts, who is, in fact, endangering his employment by complaining about the lifestyle of the people he serves.

There are things one does not say publicly. Just food for thought, what if he'd said all that slanted toward people who are poor?

[kittygilchrist]

Salary differences in above posts are based on whether EMT or Paramedic
credentials are required...post below is current Marion Co. help wanted ad.
Check those salaries against TV if you like.

What many people don't know is that wages in Florida are very, very low compared to the rest of the world. It is possible to pay off a house and car and live comfortably for two on 30K. I wish everybody made a mint, but salaries are not based on whether what you do may save someone's life, generally speaking, salaries track the time and level of expertise it takes learn to do what you do.
That and budgets, and maintaining staff with competitive salaries.

Firefighter EMT and Firefighter PM Job - Marion County Fire Rescue - Ocala, Florida (http://www.firerescue1.com/fire-jobs-search/1672332-firefighter-emt-and-firefighter-pm-marion-county-fire-rescue-ocala-fl/)

Here's a link to Santa Fe college in Gainesville comparing the training programs and potential salaries for different levels of credentialling.
http://www.sfcollege.edu/centers/kirkpatrick/ems/index.php?section=overview

I appreciate our public safety staff, and I took them cookies a few months ago. What they do is not easy and we need them.

[Bizdoc]

I was told that an EMT/Paramedic with The Villages was making approx. $9.60 an hour. These are the guys/gals who perform CPR, administer life saving medications on scene, assist Fire Department and are with you in the ambulance on the way to the ER. I happen to know many of these men/women.

I was AMAZED at how little this job paid....I know that the pay scale for Florida is much lower than my previous place (Virginia)...but again surprised.

Was it for a Villages employee *or* someone with Rural/Metro or one of the other ambulance services? Given that R/M is in financial problems, I would not be surprised at them paying employees very little. Of course, that hasn't lowered the fees that they charge patients.

[PennBF]

It is amazing that some believe $575 a week is a livable rate for a small family. It is also amazing that some believe the answer is for them to get a second job if they want enough to live on. Let's hope this is in the minority and that more believe in a livable wage for these great public servants. We pay millions to make sure the landscape is pretty but ignore these needs. What has ever happened to our values??:o

[villagesff]

hello again and I apologize that this may be long, but on the good side it will be the last you here from me. I start off to apologize if anyone took my message negatively. I never stated anything bad about working for the FD and wanted to state only the factual pay(which is for a 52 hour work week)

I never complained about the pay. Which is lower than many depts. The reason I work in this place is I love the area I work in. I meet so many insanely interesting people and people I respect so much like the veterans I see at Honor Flight and other events. I am in awe of these people that have served and defended us. I get so many thank yous and some of the most crazy delicious cookies from residents you cant stay on a diet. I and the others are dedicated and work hard to be there in your times of need.
We will always be there for you.

What I don't like are people who constantly complain about people who "sleep at work" or bankrupt cities with the pensions.

We have many people that have higher education and special training and it takes time to become good at your job. I get tired of seeing good people leave. It is a complex issue and many people are working hard to fix the problem. I do believe Mrs Tutt and the admin staff are hard working and doing there best and they do a good job of managing the Villages and its departments.

If you want to complain go ahead but who do you think I work for, they are not tyrants. They wont fire me for having an opinion. they are not secret police who will track me down. I have said nothing wrong or untrue

I will always be there when you need me even if you are one of the few haters.

And to all the others, thank you for your support and caring about us enough to bring this up

[TraceyMooreRN]

Was it for a Villages employee *or* someone with Rural/Metro or one of the other ambulance services? Given that R/M is in financial problems, I would not be surprised at them paying employees very little. Of course, that hasn't lowered the fees that they charge patients.

I believe it was Rural/Metro---but please remember that Rural/Metro serves SUMTER COUNTY which covers a big area for The Villages and are often seen at our local hospital.

[Bogie Shooter]

As many of you have noticed (and some commented upon), I'm not always exactly nice in all of my comments. I say this because I'm sure that I will irritate a few folks with what I have to say.

I think part of what villagesff if trying to tell you is that "thank you for your service" is nice, but it rings hollow when the next line is something like "and why are you being paid so much to sleep, read comic books, and do nothing..." And, I understand that feeling. Kind of like saying "well, you got paid to sleep in that foxhole, didn't you?"

Men and women who become firefighters do so because the things that make them tick. They don't do it for glory or to get rich. That having been said, they are very aware that they pay for what they do each day with their bodies. When their bodies are used up, we thank them and send them off into the sunset. Except that they still have families and themselves to support and not many jobs are out there for banged up retired firemen. (and for those of you who think that is silly, ask a retired soldier why you don't see 60 year old infantrymen. In the old days, that is exactly what used to happened to old soldiers and sailors - they served until they were too broken down to do anything.)

Saying thanks is nice. What would be nicer would be to write the CDD folks and express that maybe we need to provide better retirement options or longevity pay increases. Stop by and drop off some home baked cookies or muffins or whatever with a note that says "I sleep better at night because I know you folks have my back." When your club or organization is looking for a project, consider doing something for the children of our firefighters.

And don't jump on one that speaks from their heart. Be grateful that he or she has the courage to do so.

Well said.

[graciegirl]

It is amazing that some believe $575 a week is a livable rate for a small family. It is also amazing that some believe the answer is for them to get a second job if they want enough to live on. Let's hope this is in the minority and that more believe in a livable wage for these great public servants. We pay millions to make sure the landscape is pretty but ignore these needs. What has ever happened to our values??:o

Your brush is painting WAY too broadly. I like what Bizdoc said, honestly, compassionately and sincerely. I will bump it again.

[graciegirl]

As many of you have noticed (and some commented upon), I'm not always exactly nice in all of my comments. I say this because I'm sure that I will irritate a few folks with what I have to say.

I think part of what villagesff if trying to tell you is that "thank you for your service" is nice, but it rings hollow when the next line is something like "and why are you being paid so much to sleep, read comic books, and do nothing..." And, I understand that feeling. Kind of like saying "well, you got paid to sleep in that foxhole, didn't you?"

Men and women who become firefighters do so because the things that make them tick. They don't do it for glory or to get rich. That having been said, they are very aware that they pay for what they do each day with their bodies. When their bodies are used up, we thank them and send them off into the sunset. Except that they still have families and themselves to support and not many jobs are out there for banged up retired firemen. (and for those of you who think that is silly, ask a retired soldier why you don't see 60 year old infantrymen. In the old days, that is exactly what used to happened to old soldiers and sailors - they served until they were too broken down to do anything.)

Saying thanks is nice. What would be nicer would be to write the CDD folks and express that maybe we need to provide better retirement options or longevity pay increases. Stop by and drop off some home baked cookies or muffins or whatever with a note that says "I sleep better at night because I know you folks have my back." When your club or organization is looking for a project, consider doing something for the children of our firefighters.

And don't jump on one that speaks from their heart. Be grateful that he or she has the courage to do so.

Bumpity Bump Bump

[PennBF]

Talk about some angry people? I would gladly support an increase in the monthly dues (Amenity Fees) to ensure we pay the Firefighters and EMT's a good wage and one we can be proud of. I stress I don't personally know any of them and the couple of times they have come to the house to replace smoke detectors, etc. they have been courteous and professional. We do have both Professional Firefighters and EMT's as relatives so have a little understanding of what they go through. :sigh:

[kittygilchrist]

hello again and I apologize that this may be long, but on the good side it will be the last you here from me. I start off to apologize if anyone took my message negatively. I never stated anything bad about working for the FD and wanted to state only the factual pay(which is for a 52 hour work week)

I never complained about the pay. Which is lower than many depts. The reason I work in this place is I love the area I work in. I meet so many insanely interesting people and people I respect so much like the veterans I see at Honor Flight and other events. I am in awe of these people that have served and defended us. I get so many thank yous and some of the most crazy delicious cookies from residents you cant stay on a diet. I and the others are dedicated and work hard to be there in your times of need.
We will always be there for you.

What I don't like are people who constantly complain about people who "sleep at work" or bankrupt cities with the pensions.

We have many people that have higher education and special training and it takes time to become good at your job. I get tired of seeing good people leave. It is a complex issue and many people are working hard to fix the problem. I do believe Mrs Tutt and the admin staff are hard working and doing there best and they do a good job of managing the Villages and its departments.

If you want to complain go ahead but who do you think I work for, they are not tyrants. They wont fire me for having an opinion. they are not secret police who will track me down. I have said nothing wrong or untrue

I will always be there when you need me even if you are one of the few haters.

And to all the others, thank you for your support and caring about us enough to bring this up

Who knew? I always wondered if you got to eat the cookies or had to throw them out like Halloween candy. It's truly the least we can do. There must be a support organization that receives donations? I agree with all who think pay scales are low. Having lived on Florida wages, I know it isn't easy.

I hope you find ways to advance.

[gerryann]

Such awful bitterness on this site.

I feel very sorry for the bitter posters

I applaud the work of EMT's, firemen, policemen and all emergency workers.
You do a fantastic job!

The few (very few) folks that complain, most likely are unhappy and complain about everything. I am embarrassed for them.

[Bonny]

I agree. This thread is getting a little ugly. :ohdear:

[dirtbanker]

I doubt everyone will agree with my opinions, just as I don't agree with all the opinions on here. My post was a directed response to someone else's opinion, it was intended to elaborate my opinion and provoke alternative thoughts. If we all need to put our heads in the sand and hold roses in one hand, daisy in the other, it would make sense to remove the quote feature!

[memason]

Well, I am perfectly happy when these guys get paid to do absolutely nothing!

When they are doing nothing, that means they're not needed to save someone's life or put out a house fire.

Think about that....

[Bonny]

Well, I am perfectly happy when these guys get paid to do absolutely nothing!

When they are doing nothing, that means they're not needed to save someone's life or put out a house fire.

Think about that....

:BigApplause: God bless them all !

[eremite06]

No comment.

[old moe]

Source of the following information:
Firefighter EMT Paramedic Salary in The Villages, FL | Indeed.com (http://www.indeed.com/salary/q-Firefighter-EMT-Paramedic-l-The-Villages,-FL.html)

Average Firefighter EMT Paramedic Salary

The Villages $67,000
Ocala 70,000
Leesburg 60,000
Lady Lake 65,000
Wildwood 66,000

Just the average doesn't consider staffing levels or seniority.
A simple Google search will point out the the 20% is bogus.

Are our firefighter's & EMT's underpaid? Your damn right if they are picking me up off my death bed!

:sigh:When I lived on Long Island I put in 20 years as a Vol.Fireman with NO PAY AT ALL, and was Proud to do it. Is anyone ever happy with how much they are paid these days??? ::spoken::sigh:

[graciegirl]

Some of us on this thread could have gone all day and not posted a single thing. Some of us are always fair and some of us are always unrealistic and some are grumpybutts. Period and AMEN.

[CFrance]

Some of us on this thread could have gone all day and not posted a single thing. Some of us are always fair and some of us are always unrealistic and some are grumpybutts. Period and AMEN.
And sometimes I'm all three!

But I felt vilagesff had good points in his original post but could have put the "leave me the heck alone" a little more politely. However, it didn't override the points in his post for me.

[Patty55]

:sigh:When I lived on Long Island I put in 20 years as a Vol.Fireman with NO PAY AT ALL, and was Proud to do it. Is anyone ever happy with how much they are paid these days??? ::spoken::sigh:

And the volunteers did/do a great job, not just the firefighting but damn good emts on the ambulances.

I was shocked when I left LI and heard that people are billed for ambulance calls.

[perrjojo]

Well, I am perfectly happy when these guys get paid to do absolutely nothing!

When they are doing nothing, that means they're not needed to save someone's life or put out a house fire.

Think about that....G

Amen!
They are like insurance...you gotta pay for it but hope you never need it. One big difference is an insurance company doesn't risk it's life.

[Russ_Boston]

We keep talking about paying our EMT's more. OK but as I mentioned I think the vast majority of calls within TV are handled by Sumter County EMS and Rural Metro. Neither of which we could control how much they are paid.


Isn't this correct?

[PennBF]

I am not going to respoind to any additional notes to this tread on this subject.
It is hard if not impossible to discuss or work with people when there are some that are just angry at the world and are negative with no boundries. This has now started to be a forum for their anger and since I can't either understand that in a person or the behavior I don't want to be the one that provides
the pulpit for this to continue. :o

[gerryann]

No comment.

Thank you for your service.

[gerryann]

I am not going to respoind to any additional notes to this tread on this subject.
It is hard if not impossible to discuss or work with people when there are some that are just angry at the world and are negative with no boundries. This has now started to be a forum for their anger and since I can't either understand that in a person or the behavior I don't want to be the one that provides
the pulpit for this to continue. :o

I sent you a PM (personal message).